From BlackPearl829 at aol.com Thu Mar 1 03:59:10 2007 From: BlackPearl829 at aol.com (BlackPearl829@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 1 03:59:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] trying to find a long lost friend Message-ID: This going to be a strange request, I am actually trying to find a person i met about 15 years ago in England. His name is Daren and he was in England studying , He was located in Reading and was a Seventh Day Adventist. I dont have a last name but he had a friend who was a police officer.I know this not much to go on as there must be tons of Daren in st Helena, but i am trying anything . He had visted my home town in High wycombe , So i am asking if you have any contacts with anyone name daren who was in england about 15 years ago studying and returned back to st helena i would be much appreciated to any contacts. I remember he was tall i guess. if that helps narrow it down ...:) please dont post this as i know how stupid this sounds that i dont know his last name bur i would love to catch up with him to say hi.... sue


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070228/9a75703c/attachment.htm From svest at mindspring.com Thu Mar 1 04:37:52 2007 From: svest at mindspring.com (Steven W. Vest) Date: Thu Mar 1 04:38:26 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] trying to find a long lost friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1172720272.10416.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> If you want to find him, I would suggest putting an ad in the Island newspaper. I am not a resident, but to me that would make it highly likely that someone would recognize your description. There are only a few thousand people on the island, which is really not a lot when you think about it. Good Luck, Steve On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 21:59 -0500, BlackPearl829@aol.com wrote: > This going to be a strange request, I am actually trying to find a > person i met about 15 years ago in England. > His name is Daren and he was in England studying , He was located in > Reading and was a Seventh Day Adventist. I dont have a last name but > he had a friend who was a police officer.I know this not much to go on > as there must be tons of Daren in st Helena, but i am trying > anything . He had visted my home town in High wycombe , > So i am asking if you have any contacts with anyone name daren who was > in england about 15 years ago studying and returned back to st helena > i would be much appreciated to any contacts. I remember he was tall i > guess. if that helps narrow it down ...:) > > please dont post this as i know how stupid this sounds that i dont > know his last name bur i would love to catch up with him to say hi.... > > sue > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070228/dcf973e4/attachment.htm From BlackPearl829 at aol.com Thu Mar 1 06:00:45 2007 From: BlackPearl829 at aol.com (BlackPearl829@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 1 06:01:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] CANCEL Message-ID: CANCEL MY REQUEST TO LOCATE A FRIEND , I THINK I MAY OF LOCATED HIM, SORRY TO BOTHER YOU REGARDS


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Both organisations agree that providing high quality services to residents, contractors and tourists over the long term will require continued investment. On Tuesday Governor Clancy gave notice to Cable & Wireless that its current licence will expire in 2012. Governor Clancy emphasised that this did not necessarily mean the partnership between St Helena Government and Cable & Wireless would end in 2012. He said: "We very much value the investment which Cable and Wireless has made on St Helena. We enjoy an amicable and effective working relationship with the company, which we hope will continue. The giving of notice of termination under the existing licence enables the St Helena Government to see what can be offered by both Cable & Wireless and other providers post 2012". Cable & Wireless understands the wish of the St Helena Government to review the telecommunications services required for the forthcoming air access development. Hensil O'Bey, Chief Executive of Cable & Wireless St Helena and a member of the management board of Cable & Wireless South Atlantic Limited, said he welcomed the opportunity for a robust and constructive discussion: "We appreciate the St Helena Government's foresight in opening discussions on the future of telecommunications on St Helena and engaging in the process for licence renewal". "Meanwhile, it's business as usual for our customers and ourselves. As an investor and partner to customers and government, we look forward to delivering the best solutions which are in the long-term interest of the Island and its people." Ends UNQUOTE John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070305/d4e469d1/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Mon Mar 5 16:22:27 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Mar 5 16:22:59 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] JOINT PRESS STATEMENT FROM ST HELENA GOVERNMENT AND CABLE & WIRELESS SOUTH ATLANTIC LIMITED Message-ID: <030520071522.10849.45EC35B30004171900002A61219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> John, Are things as they are in the carefully worded statements or is there an underlying issue or tension? I cannot imagine that there are companies clamouring to provide service to the island but I guess the government has to pay due diligence to the process Pam > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" Subject: [STHELENA] JOINT PRESS STATEMENT FROM ST HELENA GOVERNMENT AND CABLE & WIRELESS SOUTH ATLANTIC LIMITED Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:49:32 +0000 Size: 16596 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070305/c6003480/attachment.eml From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 8 11:17:45 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 8 11:23:14 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can remember when Message-ID: <003f01c7616b$0685dea0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> The island is facing its worst crisis in living memory. No, the airport hasn't been cancelled. There is not, as far as we know, an impending tsunami and DfID just agreed three years of subsidy, so it's not a financial crisis either. It's much worse than that. The RMS just left for the UK, and Solomon's announced yesterday that there are not enough cigarettes on the island to keep everyone smoking until it gets back. As I am one of the few non-smokers here I'm not directly affected, but I'm not looking forward to spending a few weeks trapped in 47 Sq.Miles with several thousand grouchy nicotine-withdrawal victims. I may have to retreat to Barren Ground and hide. Methinks the RMS will be greeted back from the UK with even more fervour than usual. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070308/a3aea140/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 8 11:42:04 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 8 11:47:33 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena In-Reply-To: <200702232202.l1NM2fuH017549@mail32.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <28B76459-A639-4E1C-BD27-F41147D0B669@earthlink.net> <200702232202.l1NM2fuH017549@mail32.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <005401c7616e$6c0fcc60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I think your sentence "When you look at how St Helena Government is manned .. generous perks." is unfair to some hard working people who come here and try to help. In my view, the problem is not with the individuals - it's government itself that is the issue. Governments, I suggest, exist for one purpose and one purpose only - to keep society in order by stopping people from doing things that the majority of people don't want them to do. Governments are absolutely useless at actually doing things. I believe history supports me: I'm open to being advised of counter examples, but I really can't recall ever hearing of any. If I'm right, the sooner we privatise as many of the functions of government as possible (which, to my mind, is 99.99999(r)% of them) the quicker St.?Helena will get the thriving vibrant economy it deserves. [personal view] John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 23 February 2007 22:03 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena Chris, Although things are never quite as simple as they seem, I believe that the problems for 'outsiders' in establishing businesses on St Helena are not as a result of lack of keenness, but a lack of nous and ability in St Helena Government and DfID, mixed with a generous helping of bureaucratic infighting a la "Yes, Minister" - those of you who have seen the British TV series will understand that. When you look at how St Helena Government is manned, with expats on three year contracts (or less in many cases) you come to the conclusion that most of these people are not really interested in the Saints or their future, but merely killing time on a pleasant island and earning a relatively fat salary, most of which can be saved thanks to the generous perks. Since the island is a rather obscure outpost of the remnants of the Empire, there is a tendency for the short term contract people not to be the sharpest knives in the drawer (although I hasten to say that I have met some very pleasant, intelligent and dedicated people as well). The elected representatives tend to reflect the usual spectrum of people in politics from the self serving and the incompetent to those who genuinely are trying to advance the case for the Saints against the dead hand of bureaucracy. I think it is also important to bear in mind the 500 year history of exploitation and the appalling treatment that the residents of the island have had in the past from their various "masters". This has bred an enormous lack of trust, quite justified in my opinion, of any 'foreigners' and their ideas - especially those that are pushed with an urgency that is not a feature of life on the island. I know from personal experience how frustrating it can be to get things moving but anyone wanting to do business on the island has to understand that as an issue and not to try and force the pace. Larry mentioned in his post that he had bought the DVDs that are produced by Capricorn. We were fortunate enough to share a dining table with Sharon and Darrin Henry the proprietors of Capricorn on our last visit - and are looking forward to meeting up with them again in May on our next visit. As far as I am concerned, they are the epitome of what the island needs - a young, enthusiastic couple, brim full of ideas for bettering themselves and the island, who have learned many lessons while working overseas and who are returning to apply these lessons. And I don't think they will be the only Saints to do this. It seems clear to me that many of the people working off island will be seeing opportunities as the time for the airport gets closer and will be returning to put these concepts into reality. Here's a thought - how about each member on this List ordering copies of the DVDs from Capricorn http://www.capricorn-studios.com/ and passing them around to friends. The effects of this small and low cost action would be (apart from the pleasure of seeing the DVDs) to boost the income of Darrin and Sharon and thus inject a couple of drops of oil into the rusted St Helena economy but also to broaden the number of people who know about the island, who might visit the island - and thus provide more than a few drops of oil - and who might then tell THEIR friends. The snowball effect could begin with YOU! I am sure John Turner will be able to tell you how payment can be made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher D. Lewis Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 2:08 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena On Feb 23, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > The UK and St. Helena Governments are keen to see the economy pick up, > so if you fancy the challenge of starting a business here .... I've begun to doubt just how keen they are; our project plan was to bring a business to St. Helena, hire Saints, bring already-employed Saints working on ships elsewhere back to St. Helena, and develop some historical interest and media properties. We left the door wiiiide open for anyone interested in discussing the conditions on which we should come do our project, and without even one inquiry about the possibilities, we've been essentially ignored by both SHG and SHNT. We're developing our business elsewhere. We like St. Helena and would be happy to arrange something that satisfied everyone's legitimate concerns, but nobody on St. Helena in a position of authority will even ask us about the details that would need to be hammered out to make it work. The only admission I've gotten so far is from SHNT, which from its letter to me on the subject apparently believes it is evil to profit. Whoops. I hope for the sake of Saints that this is not normal operating procedure, or it won't matter if St. Helena becomes accessible to a major continent within a few hours. Best regards, Chris The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2077 (20070223) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 8 11:53:06 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 8 11:58:37 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] JOINT PRESS STATEMENT FROM ST HELENA GOVERNMENT ANDCABLE & WIRELESS SOUTH ATLANTIC LIMITED In-Reply-To: <030520071522.10849.45EC35B30004171900002A61219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> References: <030520071522.10849.45EC35B30004171900002A61219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <005c01c7616f$f6bcc920$2d0b000a@shgbank45> The present arrangement is a statutory total monopoly, so nobody else can come here and provide any telecoms services whatsoever. The plan may be to replace this with a non-monopoly contract, but I'm not party to the discussions so I'm only guessing. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of cplowe@mchsi.com Sent: 5 March 2007 15:22 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] JOINT PRESS STATEMENT FROM ST HELENA GOVERNMENT ANDCABLE & WIRELESS SOUTH ATLANTIC LIMITED John, Are things as they are in the carefully worded statements or is there an underlying issue or tension? I cannot imagine that there are companies clamouring to provide service to the island but I guess the government has to pay due diligence to the process Pam > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2096 (20070305) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 8 12:27:13 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 8 12:32:42 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" Message-ID: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you things. Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's also, presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground and get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do this. Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their vehicle licence is about to expire? Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070308/daeeaf60/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Mar 8 12:22:52 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Mar 8 13:23:20 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <45F0001C.15681.75A530@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 8 Mar 2007 at 11:27, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority has > decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their vehicle licence is > about to expire? They don't write reminders to you in Japan about vehicle licensing. Why should they? It says right on the documents when they expire. It's your responsibility to keep the paperwork up to date. In England they only started to do this reminder thing in recent years, and really, I don't know why they do. Since government is so unhelpful in most areas, why should this one be any different? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Thu Mar 8 13:27:44 2007 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Thu Mar 8 13:28:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can rememberwhen References: <003f01c7616b$0685dea0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <03d201c7617d$2d9bcce0$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> John, that's about as serious as the earlier crisis (end of 1968) when the new management of Solomon's cancelled an entire quarterly shipment - as a result, apart from running short of some food, there was no beer or whiskey to be had! We did manage to sell off some really old wines to the real desperadoes though! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can rememberwhen > The island is facing its worst crisis in living memory. > > No, the airport hasn't been cancelled. There is not, as far as we know, > an > impending tsunami and DfID just agreed three years of subsidy, so it's not > a > financial crisis either. It's much worse than that. > > The RMS just left for the UK, and Solomon's announced yesterday that there > are not enough cigarettes on the island to keep everyone smoking until it > gets back. > > As I am one of the few non-smokers here I'm not directly affected, but I'm > not looking forward to spending a few weeks trapped in 47 Sq.Miles with > several thousand grouchy nicotine-withdrawal victims. I may have to > retreat > to Barren Ground and hide. > > Methinks the RMS will be greeted back from the UK with even more fervour > than usual. > > Regards, > John Turner > Manager, Bank of St. Helena > www.SaintHelenaBank.com > Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. > Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are > those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. > This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for > the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication > privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you > received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, > any > review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or > any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the > communication. Thank you. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From mwelfeld at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 13:53:24 2007 From: mwelfeld at hotmail.com (Martin Welfeld) Date: Thu Mar 8 13:53:57 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: John, In the US, most states issue license plates and a small sticker with the expiration date which is placed on the plates. The stickers are only good for a maximum of 12 months and are color coded for the year of expiration. If you are still driving a vehicle with last year's sticker, the "Expired Color" makes you an excellent target for police. That said, it is still up to the motorist to make sure that they obtain the sticker annually. Usually there is a reminder mailing and things work smoothly. Unfortunately, many people receive their renewal sticker and fail to affix it by the deadline, readily attracting unsympathetic police. No sympathy from me either for those who forget. The process is as simple as placing a postage stamp on a letter. Marty Welfeld Florida, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:27:13 -0000 One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you things. Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's also, presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground and get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do this. Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their vehicle licence is about to expire? Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 8 14:29:46 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 8 14:35:14 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <009b01c76185$d9c772a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> That is also the system in the UK and, as far as I remember, most of - if not all of - Europe. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Martin Welfeld Sent: 8 March 2007 12:53 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" John, In the US, most states issue license plates and a small sticker with the expiration date which is placed on the plates. The stickers are only good for a maximum of 12 months and are color coded for the year of expiration. If you are still driving a vehicle with last year's sticker, the "Expired Color" makes you an excellent target for police. That said, it is still up to the motorist to make sure that they obtain the sticker annually. Usually there is a reminder mailing and things work smoothly. Unfortunately, many people receive their renewal sticker and fail to affix it by the deadline, readily attracting unsympathetic police. No sympathy from me either for those who forget. The process is as simple as placing a postage stamp on a letter. Marty Welfeld Florida, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:27:13 -0000 One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you things. Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's also, presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground and get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do this. Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their vehicle licence is about to expire? Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2102 (20070308) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 8 14:28:01 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 8 14:42:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: <45F0001C.15681.75A530@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <45F0001C.15681.75A530@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <009a01c76185$9b5f09b0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I advocate that governments should be helpful - Thomas advocates that they should not. It just goes to show that there is nothing that the whole world will ever agree on. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 8 March 2007 11:23 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" On 8 Mar 2007 at 11:27, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority > has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? They don't write reminders to you in Japan about vehicle licensing. Why should they? It says right on the documents when they expire. It's your responsibility to keep the paperwork up to date. In England they only started to do this reminder thing in recent years, and really, I don't know why they do. Since government is so unhelpful in most areas, why should this one be any different? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2102 (20070308) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From john.firth at zetnet.co.uk Thu Mar 8 14:50:41 2007 From: john.firth at zetnet.co.uk (John Firth) Date: Thu Mar 8 14:51:05 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <009b01c76185$d9c772a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <007c01c76188$c348c080$0401a8c0@John1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > That is also the system in the UK and, as far as I remember, most of - if > not all of - Europe. > In the UK we get a reminder. If the vehicle is not to be taxed (i.e. it is off the road) you have to tell the licensing authority. If you don't tell them and don't renew the tax you are hit by an automatic fine. John From john.robertson at fwag.org.uk Thu Mar 8 14:58:40 2007 From: john.robertson at fwag.org.uk (John Robertson) Date: Thu Mar 8 14:59:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 References: <200703081342.l28DgSFX018984@rex.kulturservern.se> Message-ID: <010301c76189$e1422210$0605a8c0@John> This "not policy" malalarke is just the start of the slippy slope - next thing you'll phone up and get an electronic voice giving you button-pressing options for 20 min before it will allow a human on the line..... beware!! Dr. John Robertson Viking Heaths Project Officer Orkney Farming and Wildlife Advisory Group (FWAG) 54 - 56 Junction Road Kirkwall Orkney Islands KW15 1AW Tel: 01856 874974 Fax: 01856 875809 www.fwag.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: List Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 > Send List mailing list submissions to > list@sthelena.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > list-request@sthelena.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > list-owner@sthelena.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. "not policy" (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) > 2. "not policy" (Thomas Goodey) > 3. Re: The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can > rememberwhen (John Coyle) > 4. RE: "not policy" (Martin Welfeld) > 5. RE: "not policy" (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) > 6. RE: "not policy" (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:27:13 -0000 > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)'" > > Message-ID: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you > things. > > Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not > policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's > also, > presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. > > Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground > and > get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not > policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do > this. > > Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. > > I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing > authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? > > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. 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Thank you. > > _____ > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070308/daeeaf60/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:22:52 +0100 > From: "Thomas Goodey" > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: list@sthelena.se > Message-ID: <45F0001C.15681.75A530@thomas.flyingkettle.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 8 Mar 2007 at 11:27, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > >> Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority >> has >> decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their vehicle >> licence is >> about to expire? > > They don't write reminders to you in Japan about vehicle licensing. Why > should > they? It says right on the documents when they expire. It's your > responsibility > to keep the paperwork up to date. > > In England they only started to do this reminder thing in recent years, > and > really, I don't know why they do. Since government is so unhelpful in most > areas, why should this one be any different? > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:27:44 +1000 > From: "John Coyle" > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can > rememberwhen > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" > > Message-ID: <03d201c7617d$2d9bcce0$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > John, that's about as serious as the earlier crisis (end of 1968) when the > new management of Solomon's cancelled an entire quarterly shipment - as a > result, apart from running short of some food, there was no beer or > whiskey > to be had! We did manage to sell off some really old wines to the real > desperadoes though! > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:17 PM > Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can > rememberwhen > > >> The island is facing its worst crisis in living memory. >> >> No, the airport hasn't been cancelled. There is not, as far as we know, >> an >> impending tsunami and DfID just agreed three years of subsidy, so it's >> not >> a >> financial crisis either. It's much worse than that. >> >> The RMS just left for the UK, and Solomon's announced yesterday that >> there >> are not enough cigarettes on the island to keep everyone smoking until it >> gets back. >> >> As I am one of the few non-smokers here I'm not directly affected, but >> I'm >> not looking forward to spending a few weeks trapped in 47 Sq.Miles with >> several thousand grouchy nicotine-withdrawal victims. I may have to >> retreat >> to Barren Ground and hide. >> >> Methinks the RMS will be greeted back from the UK with even more fervour >> than usual. >> >> Regards, >> John Turner >> Manager, Bank of St. Helena >> www.SaintHelenaBank.com >> Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. >> Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 >> >> NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are >> those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. >> This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for >> the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication >> privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you >> received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, >> any >> review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication >> or >> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly >> prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication >> in >> error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the >> communication. Thank you. >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:53:24 -0600 > From: "Martin Welfeld" > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: list@sthelena.se > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > John, > > In the US, most states issue license plates and a small sticker with the > expiration date which is placed on the plates. The stickers are only good > for a maximum of 12 months and are color coded for the year of expiration. > > If you are still driving a vehicle with last year's sticker, the "Expired > Color" makes you an excellent target for police. That said, it is still > up > to the motorist to make sure that they obtain the sticker annually. > Usually > there is a reminder mailing and things work smoothly. > > Unfortunately, many people receive their renewal sticker and fail to affix > it by the deadline, readily attracting unsympathetic police. No sympathy > from me either for those who forget. The process is as simple as placing > a > postage stamp on a letter. > > Marty Welfeld > Florida, USA > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:27:13 -0000 > > One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you > things. > > Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not > policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's > also, > presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. > > Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground > and > get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not > policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do > this. > > Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. > > I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing > authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? > > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > _____ > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:29:46 -0000 > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)'" > > Message-ID: <009b01c76185$d9c772a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That is also the system in the UK and, as far as I remember, most of - if > not all of - Europe. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Martin Welfeld > Sent: 8 March 2007 12:53 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > > John, > > In the US, most states issue license plates and a small sticker with the > expiration date which is placed on the plates. The stickers are only good > for a maximum of 12 months and are color coded for the year of expiration. > > If you are still driving a vehicle with last year's sticker, the "Expired > Color" makes you an excellent target for police. That said, it is still > up > to the motorist to make sure that they obtain the sticker annually. > Usually > there is a reminder mailing and things work smoothly. > > Unfortunately, many people receive their renewal sticker and fail to affix > it by the deadline, readily attracting unsympathetic police. No sympathy > from me either for those who forget. The process is as simple as placing > a > postage stamp on a letter. > > Marty Welfeld > Florida, USA > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:27:13 -0000 > > One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you > things. > > Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not > policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's > also, > presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. > > Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground > and > get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not > policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do > this. > > Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. > > I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing > authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? > > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO > Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > _____ > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 2102 (20070308) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:28:01 -0000 > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)'" > > Message-ID: <009a01c76185$9b5f09b0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I advocate that governments should be helpful - Thomas advocates that they > should not. It just goes to show that there is nothing that the whole > world > will ever agree on. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Thomas Goodey > Sent: 8 March 2007 11:23 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > > On 8 Mar 2007 at 11:27, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > >> Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority >> has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their >> vehicle licence is about to expire? > > They don't write reminders to you in Japan about vehicle licensing. Why > should they? It says right on the documents when they expire. It's your > responsibility to keep the paperwork up to date. > > In England they only started to do this reminder thing in recent years, > and > really, I don't know why they do. Since government is so unhelpful in most > areas, why should this one be any different? > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 2102 (20070308) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list > List@sthelena.se > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > > End of List Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 > *********************************** > > > From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 8 15:14:14 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 8 15:19:45 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <010301c76189$e1422210$0605a8c0@John> References: <200703081342.l28DgSFX018984@rex.kulturservern.se> <010301c76189$e1422210$0605a8c0@John> Message-ID: <009f01c7618c$0fbe1660$2d0b000a@shgbank45> No chance of that. With salaries here as they are it's cheaper to employ a person to give you the run around .... And people can dream up new impediments to helpfulness on the spot whereas a computerised system has to have them pre-programmed..... -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 8 March 2007 13:59 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 This "not policy" malalarke is just the start of the slippy slope - next thing you'll phone up and get an electronic voice giving you button-pressing options for 20 min before it will allow a human on the line..... beware!! Dr. John Robertson Viking Heaths Project Officer Orkney Farming and Wildlife Advisory Group (FWAG) 54 - 56 Junction Road Kirkwall Orkney Islands KW15 1AW Tel: 01856 874974 Fax: 01856 875809 www.fwag.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: List Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 > Send List mailing list submissions to > list@sthelena.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > list-request@sthelena.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > list-owner@sthelena.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. "not policy" (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) > 2. "not policy" (Thomas Goodey) > 3. Re: The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can > rememberwhen (John Coyle) > 4. RE: "not policy" (Martin Welfeld) > 5. RE: "not policy" (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) > 6. RE: "not policy" (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:27:13 -0000 > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)'" > > Message-ID: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you > things. > > Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not > policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's > also, > presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. > > Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground > and > get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not > policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do > this. > > Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. > > I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing > authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? > > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > _____ > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070308/daeeaf60/a ttachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:22:52 +0100 > From: "Thomas Goodey" > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: list@sthelena.se > Message-ID: <45F0001C.15681.75A530@thomas.flyingkettle.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 8 Mar 2007 at 11:27, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > >> Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority >> has >> decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their vehicle >> licence is >> about to expire? > > They don't write reminders to you in Japan about vehicle licensing. Why > should > they? It says right on the documents when they expire. It's your > responsibility > to keep the paperwork up to date. > > In England they only started to do this reminder thing in recent years, > and > really, I don't know why they do. Since government is so unhelpful in most > areas, why should this one be any different? > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:27:44 +1000 > From: "John Coyle" > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can > rememberwhen > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" > > Message-ID: <03d201c7617d$2d9bcce0$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > John, that's about as serious as the earlier crisis (end of 1968) when the > new management of Solomon's cancelled an entire quarterly shipment - as a > result, apart from running short of some food, there was no beer or > whiskey > to be had! We did manage to sell off some really old wines to the real > desperadoes though! > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:17 PM > Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can > rememberwhen > > >> The island is facing its worst crisis in living memory. >> >> No, the airport hasn't been cancelled. There is not, as far as we know, >> an >> impending tsunami and DfID just agreed three years of subsidy, so it's >> not >> a >> financial crisis either. It's much worse than that. >> >> The RMS just left for the UK, and Solomon's announced yesterday that >> there >> are not enough cigarettes on the island to keep everyone smoking until it >> gets back. >> >> As I am one of the few non-smokers here I'm not directly affected, but >> I'm >> not looking forward to spending a few weeks trapped in 47 Sq.Miles with >> several thousand grouchy nicotine-withdrawal victims. I may have to >> retreat >> to Barren Ground and hide. >> >> Methinks the RMS will be greeted back from the UK with even more fervour >> than usual. >> >> Regards, >> John Turner >> Manager, Bank of St. Helena >> www.SaintHelenaBank.com >> Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. >> Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 >> >> NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are >> those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. >> This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for >> the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication >> privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you >> received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, >> any >> review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication >> or >> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly >> prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication >> in >> error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the >> communication. Thank you. >> >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:53:24 -0600 > From: "Martin Welfeld" > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: list@sthelena.se > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > John, > > In the US, most states issue license plates and a small sticker with the > expiration date which is placed on the plates. The stickers are only good > for a maximum of 12 months and are color coded for the year of expiration. > > If you are still driving a vehicle with last year's sticker, the "Expired > Color" makes you an excellent target for police. That said, it is still > up > to the motorist to make sure that they obtain the sticker annually. > Usually > there is a reminder mailing and things work smoothly. > > Unfortunately, many people receive their renewal sticker and fail to affix > it by the deadline, readily attracting unsympathetic police. No sympathy > from me either for those who forget. The process is as simple as placing > a > postage stamp on a letter. > > Marty Welfeld > Florida, USA > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:27:13 -0000 > > One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you > things. > > Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not > policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's > also, > presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. > > Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground > and > get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not > policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do > this. > > Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. > > I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing > authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? > > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > _____ > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:29:46 -0000 > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)'" > > Message-ID: <009b01c76185$d9c772a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That is also the system in the UK and, as far as I remember, most of - if > not all of - Europe. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Martin Welfeld > Sent: 8 March 2007 12:53 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > > John, > > In the US, most states issue license plates and a small sticker with the > expiration date which is placed on the plates. The stickers are only good > for a maximum of 12 months and are color coded for the year of expiration. > > If you are still driving a vehicle with last year's sticker, the "Expired > Color" makes you an excellent target for police. That said, it is still > up > to the motorist to make sure that they obtain the sticker annually. > Usually > there is a reminder mailing and things work smoothly. > > Unfortunately, many people receive their renewal sticker and fail to affix > it by the deadline, readily attracting unsympathetic police. No sympathy > from me either for those who forget. The process is as simple as placing > a > postage stamp on a letter. > > Marty Welfeld > Florida, USA > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:27:13 -0000 > > One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you > things. > > Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not > policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's > also, > presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. > > Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground > and > get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not > policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do > this. > > Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. > > I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing > authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? > > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO > Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > _____ > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 2102 (20070308) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:28:01 -0000 > From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] "not policy" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)'" > > Message-ID: <009a01c76185$9b5f09b0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I advocate that governments should be helpful - Thomas advocates that they > should not. It just goes to show that there is nothing that the whole > world > will ever agree on. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Thomas Goodey > Sent: 8 March 2007 11:23 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" > > On 8 Mar 2007 at 11:27, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > >> Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority >> has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their >> vehicle licence is about to expire? > > They don't write reminders to you in Japan about vehicle licensing. Why > should they? It says right on the documents when they expire. It's your > responsibility to keep the paperwork up to date. > > In England they only started to do this reminder thing in recent years, > and > really, I don't know why they do. Since government is so unhelpful in most > areas, why should this one be any different? > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 2102 (20070308) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list > List@sthelena.se > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > > End of List Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5 > *********************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2102 (20070308) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Thu Mar 8 15:31:15 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Thu Mar 8 15:32:10 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] not policy In-Reply-To: <009f01c7618c$0fbe1660$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <200703081342.l28DgSFX018984@rex.kulturservern.se> <010301c76189$e1422210$0605a8c0@John> <009f01c7618c$0fbe1660$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <70F3B34E-2AEA-4E57-87B3-9F7E2F53ECA4@earthlink.net> On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:14 AM, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > And people can dream up new > impediments to helpfulness on the spot whereas a computerised > system has to > have them pre-programmed..... This begs the question where Government finds folks so diligent and so innovative in their obstruction of private pursuits that it comes to be remarked on. From your post, it's not a clever financial incentive ... Take care, Chris From rbauer6115 at t-online.de Thu Mar 8 16:05:30 2007 From: rbauer6115 at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Thu Mar 8 16:06:19 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: <007c01c76188$c348c080$0401a8c0@John1> References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <009b01c76185$d9c772a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <007c01c76188$c348c080$0401a8c0@John1> Message-ID: <45F0263A.2040406@bigfoot.com> If of any interest I add the German situation. The vehicle license is permanent, means it does not expire. Although subject to an annual tax and a biannual technical checkup. In case we miss either of those deadlines we get a reminder with a new deadline and for the tax a small administrative fee could be added. Also the driving license is permanent and once issued does not attract any additional fees. Greetings, Reino Bauer (voyage 91) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070308/e47afcef/attachment.htm From BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com Thu Mar 8 16:55:40 2007 From: BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com (BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com) Date: Thu Mar 8 16:56:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: HERE IN OHIO, USA, THE STATE NOT ONLY LETS US KNOW WHEN OUR AUTO OR TRUCK LICENSES ARE DUE TO EXPIRE, THEY SEND US FORMS THROUGH THE MAIL SO THAT WE MAY ORDER THE NEW ONES OR RENEW THROUGH THE MAIL. MOST CONVENIENT. BUT AT $65 PLUS U.S. IT IS A TRULY MAJOR SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR EACH STATE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" Date: Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:34 am Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody > tells you > things. > > Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is > "notpolicy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that > - it's also, > presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. > > Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren > Ground and > get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). > It's "not > policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me > to do > this. > > Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. > > I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle > licensingauthority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform > owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? > > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, > SouthAtlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission,and may be a communication privileged by law. Access > to this by anyone else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or > are not the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, > copying of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in > reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindlydelete the communication. Thank you. > > _____ > > From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Mar 8 15:56:44 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Mar 8 16:57:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena In-Reply-To: <009601c7617f$1e3eee10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <28B76459-A639-4E1C-BD27-F41147D0B669@earthlink.net>, <45F00085.17471.7740BF@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, <009601c7617f$1e3eee10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <45F0323C.1775.139703C@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 8 Mar 2007 at 12:41, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > You inherited one from your ancestors, as I did. What did you or I do to > deserve it? Well, one answer might be that, to deserve a thriving vibrant economy, I must have done something right in a previous life, but I don't think that is the answer you want! The simple answer would be that, along with a lot of other people, I took what I inherited and ran with it and improved it, over many years. But actually, I question your major. I don't think the economy of Britain, in the late 1940s, with its wholesale idiotic nationalizations paid for with US reconstruction money and desperately expensive all-out effort to develop nuclear weapons, could have been described as thriving and vibrant. Rather, it was solidly in the grip of the dead hand of socialism and collectivism, and remained so for many years. By and large, my experience of life has been that a people is in the general state that it collectively deserves, and collectively wants, and has collectively earned, be it good or ill, thriving or moribund, ignorant or enlightened. I don't go for this 'victim' thing. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Mar 8 15:57:22 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Mar 8 16:58:01 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45>, Message-ID: <45F03262.4776.13A04DA@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 8 Mar 2007 at 10:55, BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com wrote: > BUT AT $65 PLUS U.S. IT IS A TRULY MAJOR SOURCE OF REVENUE > FOR EACH STATE In England $400, buddy. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com Thu Mar 8 17:39:46 2007 From: BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com (BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com) Date: Thu Mar 8 17:40:24 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: <45F03262.4776.13A04DA@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <45F03262.4776.13A04DA@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: WHY WE LEFT IN 1776, SAW THE FUTURE. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Goodey Date: Thursday, March 8, 2007 11:21 am Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" To: list@sthelena.se > On 8 Mar 2007 at 10:55, BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com wrote: > > > BUT AT $65 PLUS U.S. IT IS A TRULY MAJOR SOURCE OF REVENUE > > FOR EACH STATE > > In England $400, buddy. > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Mar 8 16:45:57 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Mar 8 17:46:41 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45>, <45F03262.4776.13A04DA@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, Message-ID: <45F03DC5.14447.1667FB2@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 8 Mar 2007 at 11:39, BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com wrote: > WHY WE LEFT IN 1776, SAW THE FUTURE Sensible fellows. Easy on the caps, please. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From jvigor at earthlink.net Thu Mar 8 17:49:18 2007 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Thu Mar 8 17:49:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can rememberwhen References: <003f01c7616b$0685dea0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <004e01c761a1$b7c94b80$f396f204@fmk4n> MessageJohn, as I understand it, the majority shareholder in Solomons is the St. Helena Government, right? So it's the government that's responsible for the looming cigarette shortage. Therefore the Governor should declare a state of emergency and organise a Hercules C-130 to fly from Cape Town and drop cartons of fags by parachute on Prosperous Bay Plain. I know it can be done. I was there, along with all the island's schoolkids, for the airport trials last year. Failing this urgent and humanitarian action, Lord knows what terrible acts might take place in the Standard or the White Horse of an evening as the nicotine cravings are exacerbated by alcohol. Has anyone shown the Saints how to dry cabbage leaves yet? Regards, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:17 AM Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can rememberwhen The island is facing its worst crisis in living memory. No, the airport hasn't been cancelled. There is not, as far as we know, an impending tsunami and DfID just agreed three years of subsidy, so it's not a financial crisis either. It's much worse than that. The RMS just left for the UK, and Solomon's announced yesterday that there are not enough cigarettes on the island to keep everyone smoking until it gets back. As I am one of the few non-smokers here I'm not directly affected, but I'm not looking forward to spending a few weeks trapped in 47 Sq.Miles with several thousand grouchy nicotine-withdrawal victims. I may have to retreat to Barren Ground and hide. Methinks the RMS will be greeted back from the UK with even more fervour than usual. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070308/6c6655b7/attachment-0001.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Mar 8 16:51:30 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Mar 8 17:52:12 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can remember when In-Reply-To: <004e01c761a1$b7c94b80$f396f204@fmk4n> References: <003f01c7616b$0685dea0$2d0b000a@shgbank45>, <004e01c761a1$b7c94b80$f396f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <45F03F12.31082.16B9787@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 8 Mar 2007 at 8:49, John and June Vigor wrote: > Has anyone shown the Saints how to dry cabbage leaves yet? Don't they grow anything a bit more potent, but more relaxing, than tobacco? The climate would seem ideal... Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Mar 8 20:56:42 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Mar 8 20:57:13 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can rememberwhen In-Reply-To: <004e01c761a1$b7c94b80$f396f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <92066.58108.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> That is hilarious John! I could almost see it happening. Truth be known, smoking is a dangerous and disgusting habit so on the bright side, maybe this will be just what some of the islanders need to get them on the path to quitting the habit altogether. It can be done! I am living proof. =-) Nissa Nystrom Fargo, ND USA --- John and June Vigor wrote: > MessageJohn, as I understand it, the majority > shareholder in Solomons is the St. Helena > Government, right? > > So it's the government that's responsible for the > looming cigarette shortage. > > Therefore the Governor should declare a state of > emergency and organise a Hercules C-130 to fly from > Cape Town and drop cartons of fags by parachute on > Prosperous Bay Plain. > > I know it can be done. I was there, along with all > the island's schoolkids, for the airport trials last > year. > > Failing this urgent and humanitarian action, Lord > knows what terrible acts might take place in the > Standard or the White Horse of an evening as the > nicotine cravings are exacerbated by alcohol. Has > anyone shown the Saints how to dry cabbage leaves > yet? > > Regards, > > John Vigor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:17 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis > since ... nobody can rememberwhen > > > The island is facing its worst crisis in living > memory. > > No, the airport hasn't been cancelled. There is > not, as far as we know, an impending tsunami and > DfID just agreed three years of subsidy, so it's not > a financial crisis either. It's much worse than > that. > > The RMS just left for the UK, and Solomon's > announced yesterday that there are not enough > cigarettes on the island to keep everyone smoking > until it gets back. > > As I am one of the few non-smokers here I'm not > directly affected, but I'm not looking forward to > spending a few weeks trapped in 47 Sq.Miles with > several thousand grouchy nicotine-withdrawal > victims. I may have to retreat to Barren Ground and > hide. > > Methinks the RMS will be greeted back from the UK > with even more fervour than usual. > > Regards, > John Turner > Manager, Bank of St. Helena > www.SaintHelenaBank.com > Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, > Island of St. Helena. > Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in > this communication are those of the author and not > necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. 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Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From prporter1 at aim.com Fri Mar 9 01:41:26 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Fri Mar 9 01:41:59 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <45F03262.4776.13A04DA@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <8C92FFACDBEF504-15D0-2764@FWM-D38.sysops.aol.com> Thank God for the founding fathers, so now we don't have to put up with that crud. -----Original Message----- From: BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com To: thomas@flyingkettle.com; list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] "not policy" WHY WE LEFT IN 1776, SAW THE FUTURE. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Goodey Date: Thursday, March 8, 2007 11:21 am Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" To: list@sthelena.se > On 8 Mar 2007 at 10:55, BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com wrote: > > > BUT AT $65 PLUS U.S. IT IS A TRULY MAJOR SOURCE OF REVENUE > > FOR EACH STATE > > In England $400, buddy. > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070308/2e753669/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Fri Mar 9 04:38:48 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Fri Mar 9 04:39:31 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena In-Reply-To: <005401c7616e$6c0fcc60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <200703090339.l293cmFM009356@mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au> As I said: " (although I hasten to say that I have met some very pleasant, intelligent and dedicated people as well). " You seem to agree with this in that you state "...... SOME (my emphasis) hard working people .... " The trouble is largely that there are not enough of them. In my opinion the majority are time servers who do not really care what happens to St Helena or the Saints. You may or may not be right about your ideas on an ideal Government but whatever system there is, it will be made up of people and if those people do not have at heart the interests of those whom they govern you land up with the situation in St Helena where the interests of 'native inhabitants' become secondary to the interests of their 'rulers'. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Manager, Bank of St. Helena Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 9:42 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena I think your sentence "When you look at how St Helena Government is manned .. generous perks." is unfair to some hard working people who come here and try to help. In my view, the problem is not with the individuals - it's government itself that is the issue. Governments, I suggest, exist for one purpose and one purpose only - to keep society in order by stopping people from doing things that the majority of people don't want them to do. Governments are absolutely useless at actually doing things. I believe history supports me: I'm open to being advised of counter examples, but I really can't recall ever hearing of any. If I'm right, the sooner we privatise as many of the functions of government as possible (which, to my mind, is 99.99999(r)% of them) the quicker St.?Helena will get the thriving vibrant economy it deserves. [personal view] John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 23 February 2007 22:03 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena Chris, Although things are never quite as simple as they seem, I believe that the problems for 'outsiders' in establishing businesses on St Helena are not as a result of lack of keenness, but a lack of nous and ability in St Helena Government and DfID, mixed with a generous helping of bureaucratic infighting a la "Yes, Minister" - those of you who have seen the British TV series will understand that. When you look at how St Helena Government is manned, with expats on three year contracts (or less in many cases) you come to the conclusion that most of these people are not really interested in the Saints or their future, but merely killing time on a pleasant island and earning a relatively fat salary, most of which can be saved thanks to the generous perks. Since the island is a rather obscure outpost of the remnants of the Empire, there is a tendency for the short term contract people not to be the sharpest knives in the drawer (although I hasten to say that I have met some very pleasant, intelligent and dedicated people as well). The elected representatives tend to reflect the usual spectrum of people in politics from the self serving and the incompetent to those who genuinely are trying to advance the case for the Saints against the dead hand of bureaucracy. I think it is also important to bear in mind the 500 year history of exploitation and the appalling treatment that the residents of the island have had in the past from their various "masters". This has bred an enormous lack of trust, quite justified in my opinion, of any 'foreigners' and their ideas - especially those that are pushed with an urgency that is not a feature of life on the island. I know from personal experience how frustrating it can be to get things moving but anyone wanting to do business on the island has to understand that as an issue and not to try and force the pace. Larry mentioned in his post that he had bought the DVDs that are produced by Capricorn. We were fortunate enough to share a dining table with Sharon and Darrin Henry the proprietors of Capricorn on our last visit - and are looking forward to meeting up with them again in May on our next visit. As far as I am concerned, they are the epitome of what the island needs - a young, enthusiastic couple, brim full of ideas for bettering themselves and the island, who have learned many lessons while working overseas and who are returning to apply these lessons. And I don't think they will be the only Saints to do this. It seems clear to me that many of the people working off island will be seeing opportunities as the time for the airport gets closer and will be returning to put these concepts into reality. Here's a thought - how about each member on this List ordering copies of the DVDs from Capricorn http://www.capricorn-studios.com/ and passing them around to friends. The effects of this small and low cost action would be (apart from the pleasure of seeing the DVDs) to boost the income of Darrin and Sharon and thus inject a couple of drops of oil into the rusted St Helena economy but also to broaden the number of people who know about the island, who might visit the island - and thus provide more than a few drops of oil - and who might then tell THEIR friends. The snowball effect could begin with YOU! I am sure John Turner will be able to tell you how payment can be made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher D. Lewis Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 2:08 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena On Feb 23, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > The UK and St. Helena Governments are keen to see the economy pick up, > so if you fancy the challenge of starting a business here .... I've begun to doubt just how keen they are; our project plan was to bring a business to St. Helena, hire Saints, bring already-employed Saints working on ships elsewhere back to St. Helena, and develop some historical interest and media properties. We left the door wiiiide open for anyone interested in discussing the conditions on which we should come do our project, and without even one inquiry about the possibilities, we've been essentially ignored by both SHG and SHNT. We're developing our business elsewhere. We like St. Helena and would be happy to arrange something that satisfied everyone's legitimate concerns, but nobody on St. Helena in a position of authority will even ask us about the details that would need to be hammered out to make it work. The only admission I've gotten so far is from SHNT, which from its letter to me on the subject apparently believes it is evil to profit. Whoops. I hope for the sake of Saints that this is not normal operating procedure, or it won't matter if St. Helena becomes accessible to a major continent within a few hours. Best regards, Chris The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. 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From g.tordini at tiscali.it Fri Mar 9 09:19:22 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Fri Mar 9 09:22:24 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <00c301c76223$a44ff770$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> MessageNobody advise me that my licence is about to expire; only the police advise me that my licence is expired: with a very high monetary penalty. ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you things. Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's also, presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground and get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's "not policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do this. Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their vehicle licence is about to expire? Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070309/31afe56c/attachment-0001.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Fri Mar 9 10:36:56 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Mar 9 10:42:32 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody canrememberwhen In-Reply-To: <004e01c761a1$b7c94b80$f396f204@fmk4n> References: <003f01c7616b$0685dea0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <004e01c761a1$b7c94b80$f396f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <005001c7622e$7d4fd4f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Who needs cabbage leaves? There is another smokable substance widely grown here. Apparently the trick is to plant it in someone else's garden (reportedly even the Bishop's, and I'm certain it was completely without his knowledge). I understand it is usually mixed with tobacco for use, but I'm sure someone could improvise. That might calm down the population a bit. A cynic (me, actually) did suggest that the reason they arrested the chaps who tried to import cannabis on the RMS last week was not to control drugs but merely to protect the local producers against cheap imports. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: 8 March 2007 16:49 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody canrememberwhen John, as I understand it, the majority shareholder in Solomons is the St. Helena Government, right? So it's the government that's responsible for the looming cigarette shortage. Therefore the Governor should declare a state of emergency and organise a Hercules C-130 to fly from Cape Town and drop cartons of fags by parachute on Prosperous Bay Plain. I know it can be done. I was there, along with all the island's schoolkids, for the airport trials last year. Failing this urgent and humanitarian action, Lord knows what terrible acts might take place in the Standard or the White Horse of an evening as the nicotine cravings are exacerbated by alcohol. Has anyone shown the Saints how to dry cabbage leaves yet? Regards, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:17 AM Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can rememberwhen The island is facing its worst crisis in living memory. No, the airport hasn't been cancelled. There is not, as far as we know, an impending tsunami and DfID just agreed three years of subsidy, so it's not a financial crisis either. It's much worse than that. The RMS just left for the UK, and Solomon's announced yesterday that there are not enough cigarettes on the island to keep everyone smoking until it gets back. As I am one of the few non-smokers here I'm not directly affected, but I'm not looking forward to spending a few weeks trapped in 47 Sq.Miles with several thousand grouchy nicotine-withdrawal victims. I may have to retreat to Barren Ground and hide. Methinks the RMS will be greeted back from the UK with even more fervour than usual. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070309/519e1c37/attachment.htm From linsi_art at bluewin.ch Fri Mar 9 12:56:44 2007 From: linsi_art at bluewin.ch (Iris Linsi) Date: Fri Mar 9 12:56:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena References: <200703090339.l293cmFM009356@mail19.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <002001c76242$02eba630$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> I am Iris Linsi-Thomas, a paiter, poet and philosopher living and working in Switzerland. Cultural transformations cannot be prevented and should not be opposed. On the contrary they should be welcomed as a time to re-examine conceptual models of our culture that have outlived their usefulness. A change in mentality must naturally be escorted by changes in social dependence and organization and it is important to recognize that social changes are manifestations of a wide, cultural mutation that go far beyond a particular group or institution. It is necessary to consider these changes as a cycle of St. Helenian history. The evolution of a society is closely linked to the economic value system that underlies its manifestation, and the values a society lives determines its world view. Once a collective set of values has been expressed and internalized it will establish the framework of the society's reasoning and perception. As cultural value systems evolve in response to circumstancial changes and challenges, so new models of cultural development will emanate. It was in an 'Empirical' environment that the British Empire was formed, with St. Helena playing a not unimportant role. Without St. Helena and our fore-fathers, English 'servants' of the Crown who went to the island to protect and cultivate it for the provision of the fleets travelling to collect riches from the East, there would have been no British Empire in the first place. Thus both the empirical and the servitudal mentalities have survived. Although the British Empire is a now thing of the past and St. Helena, its faithful servant, one of the last 'outposts', our 'Masters' in London still take care of us, delegating 'Product Managers' who, it would appear have never been to St. Helena, to look after us whilst we faithful 'servants of the crown', who have always been taken care of during the past five hundred years, continue to wait to the told what to do....... viz: In the Herald of 19.1.07 I read: 'Tony (the Air Access Project Manager) ..... during his first visit after three years involvement with the project .... said that "the contrast (of the topography) is just incredible" and that he "would charge people just to come and see the topography here". Tony went on to say that, after three years of involvement; he was amazed to see it for himself as it met with all he had heard about the island' !!!!!!! visit my website www.linsi-art.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Herbert" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > As I said: > > " (although I hasten to say that I have met some very pleasant, intelligent > and dedicated people as well). " > > You seem to agree with this in that you state "...... SOME (my emphasis) > hard working people .... " The trouble is largely that there are not enough > of them. In my opinion the majority are time servers who do not really care > what happens to St Helena or the Saints. > > You may or may not be right about your ideas on an ideal Government but > whatever system there is, it will be made up of people and if those people > do not have at heart the interests of those whom they govern you land up > with the situation in St Helena where the interests of 'native > inhabitants' become secondary to the interests of their 'rulers'. > > > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Manager, Bank of St. Helena > Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 9:42 PM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > > I think your sentence "When you look at how St Helena Government is manned > .. generous perks." is unfair to some hard working people who come here and > try to help. > > In my view, the problem is not with the individuals - it's government itself > that is the issue. Governments, I suggest, exist for one purpose and one > purpose only - to keep society in order by stopping people from doing things > that the majority of people don't want them to do. Governments are > absolutely useless at actually doing things. I believe history supports me: > I'm open to being advised of counter examples, but I really can't recall > ever hearing of any. > > If I'm right, the sooner we privatise as many of the functions of government > as possible (which, to my mind, is 99.99999(r)% of them) the quicker > St. Helena will get the thriving vibrant economy it deserves. > > [personal view] > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Terry Herbert > Sent: 23 February 2007 22:03 > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > > Chris, > > Although things are never quite as simple as they seem, I believe that the > problems for 'outsiders' in establishing businesses on St Helena are not as > a result of lack of keenness, but a lack of nous and ability in St Helena > Government and DfID, mixed with a generous helping of bureaucratic > infighting a la "Yes, Minister" - those of you who have seen the British TV > series will understand that. > > When you look at how St Helena Government is manned, with expats on three > year contracts (or less in many cases) you come to the conclusion that most > of these people are not really interested in the Saints or their future, but > merely killing time on a pleasant island and earning a relatively fat > salary, most of which can be saved thanks to the generous perks. Since the > island is a rather obscure outpost of the remnants of the Empire, there is a > tendency for the short term contract people not to be the sharpest knives in > the drawer (although I hasten to say that I have met some very pleasant, > intelligent and dedicated people as well). > > The elected representatives tend to reflect the usual spectrum of people in > politics from the self serving and the incompetent to those who genuinely > are trying to advance the case for the Saints against the dead hand of > bureaucracy. > > I think it is also important to bear in mind the 500 year history of > exploitation and the appalling treatment that the residents of the island > have had in the past from their various "masters". This has bred an enormous > lack of trust, quite justified in my opinion, of any 'foreigners' and their > ideas - especially those that are pushed with an urgency that is not a > feature of life on the island. I know from personal experience how > frustrating it can be to get things moving but anyone wanting to do business > on the island has to understand that as an issue and not to try and force > the pace. > > Larry mentioned in his post that he had bought the DVDs that are produced by > Capricorn. We were fortunate enough to share a dining table with Sharon and > Darrin Henry the proprietors of Capricorn on our last visit - and are > looking forward to meeting up with them again in May on our next visit. As > far as I am concerned, they are the epitome of what the island needs - a > young, enthusiastic couple, brim full of ideas for bettering themselves and > the island, who have learned many lessons while working overseas and who are > returning to apply these lessons. And I don't think they will be the only > Saints to do this. It seems clear to me that many of the people working off > island will be seeing opportunities as the time for the airport gets closer > and will be returning to put these concepts into reality. > > Here's a thought - how about each member on this List ordering copies of the > DVDs from Capricorn http://www.capricorn-studios.com/ and passing them > around to friends. The effects of this small and low cost action would be > (apart from the pleasure of seeing the DVDs) to boost the income of Darrin > and Sharon and thus inject a couple of drops of oil into the rusted St > Helena economy but also to broaden the number of people who know about the > island, who might visit the island - and thus provide more than a few drops > of oil - and who might then tell THEIR friends. The snowball effect could > begin with YOU! > > I am sure John Turner will be able to tell you how payment can be made. > > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Christopher D. Lewis > Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 2:08 AM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > > > The UK and St. Helena Governments are keen to see the economy pick up, > > so if you fancy the challenge of starting a business here .... > > I've begun to doubt just how keen they are; our project plan was to bring a > business to St. Helena, hire Saints, bring already-employed Saints working > on ships elsewhere back to St. Helena, and develop some historical interest > and media properties. We left the door wiiiide open for anyone interested > in discussing the conditions on which we should come do our project, and > without even one inquiry about the possibilities, we've been essentially > ignored by both SHG and SHNT. We're developing our business elsewhere. We > like St. > Helena and would be happy to arrange something that satisfied everyone's > legitimate concerns, but nobody on St. Helena in a position of authority > will even ask us about the details that would need to be hammered out to > make it work. > > The only admission I've gotten so far is from SHNT, which from its letter to > me on the subject apparently believes it is evil to profit. Whoops. > > I hope for the sake of Saints that this is not normal operating procedure, > or it won't matter if St. Helena becomes accessible to a major continent > within a few hours. > > Best regards, > Chris > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 2077 (20070223) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From cagaden at northnet.com.au Sat Mar 10 00:13:50 2007 From: cagaden at northnet.com.au (Caroline Gaden) Date: Sat Mar 10 00:28:28 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can rememberwhen References: <003f01c7616b$0685dea0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <008101c762a0$9e17d580$fd67543a@Caroline> MessageWould you like us to arrange a 'food parcel' of Nicobate patches for distribution to cranky customers? Cheers Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: [STHELENA] The island's worst crisis since ... nobody can rememberwhen The island is facing its worst crisis in living memory. No, the airport hasn't been cancelled. There is not, as far as we know, an impending tsunami and DfID just agreed three years of subsidy, so it's not a financial crisis either. It's much worse than that. The RMS just left for the UK, and Solomon's announced yesterday that there are not enough cigarettes on the island to keep everyone smoking until it gets back. As I am one of the few non-smokers here I'm not directly affected, but I'm not looking forward to spending a few weeks trapped in 47 Sq.Miles with several thousand grouchy nicotine-withdrawal victims. I may have to retreat to Barren Ground and hide. Methinks the RMS will be greeted back from the UK with even more fervour than usual. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070310/49646bc2/attachment.htm From linsi_art at bluewin.ch Tue Mar 13 14:03:37 2007 From: linsi_art at bluewin.ch (Iris Linsi) Date: Tue Mar 13 14:03:43 2007 Subject: Fw: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena Message-ID: <002501c76570$03fe04b0$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iris Linsi" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > I am Iris Linsi-Thomas, a paiter, poet and philosopher living and working in > Switzerland. > > Cultural transformations cannot be prevented and should not be opposed. On > the contrary they should be welcomed as a time to re-examine conceptual > models of our culture that have outlived their usefulness. A change in > mentality must naturally be escorted by changes in social dependence and > organization and it is important to recognize that social changes are > manifestations of a wide, cultural mutation that go far beyond a particular > group or institution. > > > It is necessary to consider these changes as a cycle of St. Helenian > history. The evolution of a society is closely linked to the economic value > system that underlies its manifestation, and the values a society lives > determines its world view. Once a collective set of values has been > expressed and internalized it will establish the framework of the society's > reasoning and perception. As cultural value systems evolve in response to > circumstancial changes and challenges, so new models of cultural development > will emanate. > > > It was in an 'Empirical' environment that the British Empire was formed, > with St. Helena playing a not unimportant role. Without St. Helena and our > fore-fathers, English 'servants' of the Crown who went to the island to > protect and cultivate it for the provision of the fleets travelling to > collect riches from the East, there would have been no British Empire in the > first place. Thus both the empirical and the servitudal mentalities have > survived. > > Although the British Empire is a now thing of the past and St. Helena, its > faithful servant, one of the last 'outposts', our 'Masters' in London still > take care of us, delegating 'Product Managers' who, it would appear have > never been to St. Helena, to look after us whilst we faithful 'servants of > the crown', who have always been taken care of during the past five hundred > years, continue to wait to the told what to do....... viz: In the Herald of > 19.1.07 I read: > > 'Tony (the Air Access Project Manager) ..... during his first visit after > three years involvement with the project .... said that "the contrast (of > the topography) is just incredible" and that he "would charge people just to > come and see the topography here". Tony went on to say that, after three > years of involvement; he was amazed to see it for himself as it met with all > he had heard about the island' !!!!!!! > > visit my website www.linsi-art.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Herbert" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:38 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > > > > As I said: > > > > " (although I hasten to say that I have met some very pleasant, > intelligent > > and dedicated people as well). " > > > > You seem to agree with this in that you state "...... SOME (my emphasis) > > hard working people .... " The trouble is largely that there are not > enough > > of them. In my opinion the majority are time servers who do not really > care > > what happens to St Helena or the Saints. > > > > You may or may not be right about your ideas on an ideal Government but > > whatever system there is, it will be made up of people and if those people > > do not have at heart the interests of those whom they govern you land up > > with the situation in St Helena where the interests of 'native > > inhabitants' become secondary to the interests of their 'rulers'. > > > > > > > > All the best > > > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > > Australia > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > > Of Manager, Bank of St. Helena > > Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2007 9:42 PM > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > > > > I think your sentence "When you look at how St Helena Government is manned > > .. generous perks." is unfair to some hard working people who come here > and > > try to help. > > > > In my view, the problem is not with the individuals - it's government > itself > > that is the issue. Governments, I suggest, exist for one purpose and one > > purpose only - to keep society in order by stopping people from doing > things > > that the majority of people don't want them to do. Governments are > > absolutely useless at actually doing things. I believe history supports > me: > > I'm open to being advised of counter examples, but I really can't recall > > ever hearing of any. > > > > If I'm right, the sooner we privatise as many of the functions of > government > > as possible (which, to my mind, is 99.99999(r)% of them) the quicker > > St. Helena will get the thriving vibrant economy it deserves. > > > > [personal view] > > John Turner > > > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > > Of Terry Herbert > > Sent: 23 February 2007 22:03 > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > > > > Chris, > > > > Although things are never quite as simple as they seem, I believe that the > > problems for 'outsiders' in establishing businesses on St Helena are not > as > > a result of lack of keenness, but a lack of nous and ability in St Helena > > Government and DfID, mixed with a generous helping of bureaucratic > > infighting a la "Yes, Minister" - those of you who have seen the British > TV > > series will understand that. > > > > When you look at how St Helena Government is manned, with expats on three > > year contracts (or less in many cases) you come to the conclusion that > most > > of these people are not really interested in the Saints or their future, > but > > merely killing time on a pleasant island and earning a relatively fat > > salary, most of which can be saved thanks to the generous perks. Since the > > island is a rather obscure outpost of the remnants of the Empire, there is > a > > tendency for the short term contract people not to be the sharpest knives > in > > the drawer (although I hasten to say that I have met some very pleasant, > > intelligent and dedicated people as well). > > > > The elected representatives tend to reflect the usual spectrum of people > in > > politics from the self serving and the incompetent to those who genuinely > > are trying to advance the case for the Saints against the dead hand of > > bureaucracy. > > > > I think it is also important to bear in mind the 500 year history of > > exploitation and the appalling treatment that the residents of the island > > have had in the past from their various "masters". This has bred an > enormous > > lack of trust, quite justified in my opinion, of any 'foreigners' and > their > > ideas - especially those that are pushed with an urgency that is not a > > feature of life on the island. I know from personal experience how > > frustrating it can be to get things moving but anyone wanting to do > business > > on the island has to understand that as an issue and not to try and force > > the pace. > > > > Larry mentioned in his post that he had bought the DVDs that are produced > by > > Capricorn. We were fortunate enough to share a dining table with Sharon > and > > Darrin Henry the proprietors of Capricorn on our last visit - and are > > looking forward to meeting up with them again in May on our next visit. As > > far as I am concerned, they are the epitome of what the island needs - a > > young, enthusiastic couple, brim full of ideas for bettering themselves > and > > the island, who have learned many lessons while working overseas and who > are > > returning to apply these lessons. And I don't think they will be the only > > Saints to do this. It seems clear to me that many of the people working > off > > island will be seeing opportunities as the time for the airport gets > closer > > and will be returning to put these concepts into reality. > > > > Here's a thought - how about each member on this List ordering copies of > the > > DVDs from Capricorn http://www.capricorn-studios.com/ and passing them > > around to friends. The effects of this small and low cost action would be > > (apart from the pleasure of seeing the DVDs) to boost the income of Darrin > > and Sharon and thus inject a couple of drops of oil into the rusted St > > Helena economy but also to broaden the number of people who know about the > > island, who might visit the island - and thus provide more than a few > drops > > of oil - and who might then tell THEIR friends. The snowball effect could > > begin with YOU! > > > > I am sure John Turner will be able to tell you how payment can be made. > > > > > > All the best > > > > Terry Herbert > > > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > > Australia > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > > Of Christopher D. Lewis > > Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 2:08 AM > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Economic Opportunities on St. Helena > > > > > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > > > > > The UK and St. Helena Governments are keen to see the economy pick up, > > > so if you fancy the challenge of starting a business here .... > > > > I've begun to doubt just how keen they are; our project plan was to bring > a > > business to St. Helena, hire Saints, bring already-employed Saints working > > on ships elsewhere back to St. Helena, and develop some historical > interest > > and media properties. We left the door wiiiide open for anyone interested > > in discussing the conditions on which we should come do our project, and > > without even one inquiry about the possibilities, we've been essentially > > ignored by both SHG and SHNT. We're developing our business elsewhere. > We > > like St. > > Helena and would be happy to arrange something that satisfied everyone's > > legitimate concerns, but nobody on St. Helena in a position of authority > > will even ask us about the details that would need to be hammered out to > > make it work. > > > > The only admission I've gotten so far is from SHNT, which from its letter > to > > me on the subject apparently believes it is evil to profit. Whoops. > > > > I hope for the sake of Saints that this is not normal operating procedure, > > or it won't matter if St. Helena becomes accessible to a major continent > > within a few hours. > > > > Best regards, > > Chris > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > __________ NOD32 2077 (20070223) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From val.jensen at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 12:54:05 2007 From: val.jensen at gmail.com (Val Jensen) Date: Tue Mar 13 19:25:53 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] "not policy" In-Reply-To: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <006a01c76174$bb116b10$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: Hi John I'm a newie to the list but I have been reading with interest the goings on in St Helena. My interest in St Helena was sparked in trying to find out my family history. Just to let you know that although we do get license expiry reminders most times, clearly it is "policy" in South Africa to be as unhelpful as possible. Many will say this is a generalisation, but seriously, it's appalling. I lived in the "back of beyond" Richards Bay for nearly 20 years and honestly thought that was the reason for nothing being done properly, but I have been in Johannesburg for the last four months and it's far worse. I think it's that generally people have no work ethic. Regards Val Jensen Sandton Johannesburg On 08/03/07, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > > One of the problems associated with living here is that nobody tells you > things. > > Apparently the licence on my vehicle expired in November but it is "not > policy" to send out reminders. I'm just supposed to know that - it's also, > presumably, "not policy" to tell me that I won't get a reminder. > > Now I have to retrieve the MoT certificate from my home in Barren Ground > and get it to the police station by 3pm (when the lady goes home). It's > "not policy" to issue me with any sort of temporary cover to enable me to do > this. > > Clearly it is also "not policy" to be helpful. > > I'm curious. Do any of you live in countries where the vehicle licensing > authority has decided that it is "not policy" to inform owners when their > vehicle licence is about to expire? > > Regards, > *John Turner* > ***Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena* > *(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ)* > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > ------------------------------ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070308/f3757201/attachment.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Tue Mar 27 07:04:08 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Tue Mar 27 07:04:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: <004501c7702d$5a7ab960$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> 27-3-07 Dear John Turner, I would like to know something about the hurricanes in SH, but I did not find a good link about it. Are there hurricanes in SH? Do you know some web address? Greetings to everybody. Giuliano Giuliano Tordini Via G. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070327/e3215347/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Tue Mar 27 09:13:43 2007 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Tue Mar 27 09:12:14 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) References: <004501c7702d$5a7ab960$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <05ea01c7703f$74eedc10$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> Giuliano - there are very few severe storms in St. Helena - in fact even thunder is almost unheard of (no pun intended!). There was certainly nothing very severe while I lived there, and I think high winds sufficient to cause problems to shipping are also rare. In the late January to end February period, sea conditions can generate very large swells in the bay, sufficient to make very spectacular breakers at the sea-wall - I've seen waves breaking there and splashing up to 6-7 metres in the air. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "giuliano tordini" To: "St Helena" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) 27-3-07 Dear John Turner, I would like to know something about the hurricanes in SH, but I did not find a good link about it. Are there hurricanes in SH? Do you know some web address? Greetings to everybody. Giuliano Giuliano Tordini Via G. Garibaldi 18 59100 Prato g.tordini@tiscali.it tel +39 0574 42 462 mobile +39 339 60 33 820 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From manager at sainthelenabank.com Tue Mar 27 10:39:23 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Mar 27 10:41:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <004501c7702d$5a7ab960$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> References: <004501c7702d$5a7ab960$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <003e01c7704b$6ecb64f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Dear Giuliano We do not get hurricanes here as we are not in the affected part of the Atlantic. We do not normally get thunderstorms here either, for reasons of geography, though I believe a freak one was recorded in the 1980s. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 27 March 2007 05:04 To: St Helena Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) 27-3-07 Dear John Turner, I would like to know something about the hurricanes in SH, but I did not find a good link about it. Are there hurricanes in SH? Do you know some web address? Greetings to everybody. 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Are there hurricanes in SH? Do you know some web > address? > > > > Greetings to everybody. > > Giuliano > > > > > > > Giuliano Tordini > Via G. Garibaldi 18 > 59100 Prato > > g.tordini@tiscali.it > tel +39 0574 42 462 > mobile +39 339 60 33 820 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Wed Mar 28 01:05:40 2007 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Wed Mar 28 01:04:08 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) References: <032720071431.6238.46092ABD0006B98C0000185E219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <062901c770c4$71751d30$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> Yes - as it is in all lands south of the Equator. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > Is it mid summer in January and February? > > >> Giuliano - there are very few severe storms in St. Helena - in fact even >> thunder is almost unheard of (no pun intended!). >> There was certainly nothing very severe while I lived there, and I think >> high winds sufficient to cause problems to shipping are also rare. >> In the late January to end February period, sea conditions can generate >> very >> large swells in the bay, sufficient to make very spectacular breakers at >> the >> sea-wall - I've seen waves breaking there and splashing up to 6-7 metres >> in >> the air. >> HTH >> >> John Coyle >> Brisbane, Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "giuliano tordini" >> To: "St Helena" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:04 PM >> Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) >> >> >> 27-3-07 >> >> Dear John Turner, >> >> I would like to know something about the hurricanes in SH, but I did not >> find a good link about it. Are there hurricanes in SH? Do you know some >> web >> address? >> >> >> >> Greetings to everybody. >> >> Giuliano >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Giuliano Tordini >> Via G. Garibaldi 18 >> 59100 Prato >> >> g.tordini@tiscali.it >> tel +39 0574 42 462 >> mobile +39 339 60 33 820 >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > The S:t Helena Mailing List >> > To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Mar 28 10:43:25 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Mar 28 11:44:50 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) References: <032720071431.6238.46092ABD0006B98C0000185E219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> <062901c770c4$71751d30$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> Message-ID: <00ff01c7711d$abf8fb80$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Thank you, John and John. g ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Coyle" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > Yes - as it is in all lands south of the Equator. > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > > >> Is it mid summer in January and February? >> >> >>> Giuliano - there are very few severe storms in St. Helena - in fact even >>> thunder is almost unheard of (no pun intended!). >>> There was certainly nothing very severe while I lived there, and I think >>> high winds sufficient to cause problems to shipping are also rare. >>> In the late January to end February period, sea conditions can generate >>> very >>> large swells in the bay, sufficient to make very spectacular breakers at >>> the >>> sea-wall - I've seen waves breaking there and splashing up to 6-7 metres >>> in >>> the air. >>> HTH >>> >>> John Coyle >>> Brisbane, Australia >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "giuliano tordini" >>> To: "St Helena" >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:04 PM >>> Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) >>> >>> >>> 27-3-07 >>> >>> Dear John Turner, >>> >>> I would like to know something about the hurricanes in SH, but I did not >>> find a good link about it. Are there hurricanes in SH? Do you know some >>> web >>> address? >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings to everybody. >>> >>> Giuliano >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Giuliano Tordini >>> Via G. Garibaldi 18 >>> 59100 Prato >>> >>> g.tordini@tiscali.it >>> tel +39 0574 42 462 >>> mobile +39 339 60 33 820 >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> > The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> > To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Mar 28 12:15:27 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Mar 28 12:15:51 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) References: <004501c7702d$5a7ab960$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> <003e01c7704b$6ecb64f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <013401c77122$01c60590$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> 28-3-07 The South Atlantic Ocean is more cold than the norther, and because of that the hurricanes should be rare; anyhow the weather is changing, the water is going warmer and we are going to have again "Ni?o" this year and perhaps the next year too. A friend of mine got an hurricane (Delta) in Canary island in the date 28 november 2005, wind 10-12 Beaufort: first hurricane in that sea, never before, 28? north. Greetings to everybody. g ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] (no subject) Dear Giuliano We do not get hurricanes here as we are not in the affected part of the Atlantic. We do not normally get thunderstorms here either, for reasons of geography, though I believe a freak one was recorded in the 1980s. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII **************************************