From John at BurghHouse.com Mon Apr 2 12:08:49 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Mon Apr 2 12:10:45 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Message-ID: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/bmp Size: 1334 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/76da1a79/attachment.bin From apparat at welho.com Mon Apr 2 14:10:25 2007 From: apparat at welho.com (Jukka Tuominen) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:10:33 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation In-Reply-To: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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From peershahul at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 14:22:57 2007 From: peershahul at hotmail.com (Shahul Hameed) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:23:29 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> Message-ID: Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/1cd12f40/attachment-0001.htm From bobpollard at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 2 14:27:34 2007 From: bobpollard at bellsouth.net (Bob Pollard) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:29:27 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> Message-ID: <001401c77522$4da475b0$6401a8c0@cranston> Sounds like it's time to tap into Prince Charlie's annual stipend and get the Royal Navy on it's way. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Tuominen" To: ; "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation > It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic > to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk > needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen > are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that > nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! > What the heck has gone wrong in this world? > Regards, > Jukka > > > > > John Turner kirjoitti: >> Dear List members, >> I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. As >> you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in the >> UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks late >> returning from its voyage. >> Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most >> of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it uneconomic >> to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be on the menu >> soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah birds in a >> pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in evidence today - >> they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. >> On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that the >> cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of cigarettes >> AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. >> * John Turner * >> * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * >> * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , >> South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * >> *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) >> >> ** >> *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are >> confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the >> transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to >> this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication >> in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, >> dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action >> taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited >> and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, >> please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the >> communication. Thank you. >> *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] >> *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 >> *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena >> *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena >> >> done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! >> >> * Simon Pipe * >> * North Oxfordshire reporter * >> * BBC Oxford * >> * 01295 258039 (no messages) * >> * 07834 846022 * >> * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * >> >> >> *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] >> *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 >> *To:* Simon Pipe >> *Subject:* RMS St. Helena >> >> Simon, >> Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with the >> RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than two >> weeks late leaving. >> There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. >> Regards, >> >> * John Turner * >> >> * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * >> >> * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , >> South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * >> >> *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) >> >> ** >> *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are >> confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the >> transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to >> this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication >> in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, >> dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action >> taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited >> and may be unlawful. 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Thank you. >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk >> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain >> personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically >> stated. >> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >> >> __________ NOD32 2157 (20070330) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 3/30/2007 > 1:15 PM > From John at BurghHouse.com Mon Apr 2 18:25:51 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Mon Apr 2 18:28:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation In-Reply-To: References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> Message-ID: <000701c77543$9779f7c0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Nice thoughts but: * We don't get Seagulls, and all the seabirds are protected. * We have Tungi Spirit, but it's no substitute for beer on a hot day. * The streams flow when it rains but the water that is so expensive is that which is harvested and sold to the farmers. * How exactly do we trade with Ascension Island if the ship that links us in in the UK? * And the tuna cannery is waiting for cans, which are on the RMS ..... JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Shahul Hameed Sent: 2 April 2007 12:23 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2162 (20070402) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/e77cf982/attachment.htm From peershahul at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 18:42:58 2007 From: peershahul at hotmail.com (Shahul Hameed) Date: Mon Apr 2 18:43:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> <000701c77543$9779f7c0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: John, I can understand the plight. When I came to St.Helena in 1991 on a crab fishing project, RMS delayed to reach and we had to trade our potatoes for Castle and Lion with the Saints. When we reached Ascension we traded our frozen crabs for American Beer. There must be French sail boats who frequent the island. They can provide you a lift to the nearby ascension. Kidding. Shahul. Nice thoughts but: a.. We don't get Seagulls, and all the seabirds are protected. b.. We have Tungi Spirit, but it's no substitute for beer on a hot day. c.. The streams flow when it rains but the water that is so expensive is that which is harvested and sold to the farmers. d.. How exactly do we trade with Ascension Island if the ship that links us in in the UK? e.. And the tuna cannery is waiting for cans, which are on the RMS .... JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Shahul Hameed Sent: 2 April 2007 12:23 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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From: "John Turner" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:28:27 +0000 Size: 18259 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/90997c7a/attachment.eml From peershahul at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 19:16:48 2007 From: peershahul at hotmail.com (Shahul Hameed) Date: Mon Apr 2 19:17:21 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <040220071701.11788.461136E7000EE23E00002E0C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Airfreight would be sky high. Someone should think of bringing another liner from Cape Town - Jamestown - Cape Town on a weekly basis. This will fuel the growth in St.Helana. More Tourists who prefer shorter outings will come and the shortages would vanish. Any one hearing me? perhaps the Solomon's. ----- Original Message ----- From: cplowe@mchsi.com To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Would the airport be a partial solution? > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/fdc12e91/attachment.htm From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 19:46:17 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Mon Apr 2 19:45:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation In-Reply-To: <040220071701.11788.461136E7000EE23E00002E0C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> References: <040220071701.11788.461136E7000EE23E00002E0C219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5B46853D-8020-46FE-A669-DB38C79D6A21@earthlink.net> On Apr 2, 2007, at 12:01 PM, cplowe@mchsi.com wrote: > Would the airport be a partial solution? This brings me to a question I'd been hesitant to ask. When the RMS is decommissioned, and the airport is the principal access to the island, how will containerized material be delivered? Maybe an occasional charter when demand suffices? Really, really big aircraft? Best regards, Chris From waynewalker007 at verizon.net Tue Apr 3 05:17:17 2007 From: waynewalker007 at verizon.net (RICHARD W WALKER) Date: Tue Apr 3 05:17:44 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena Message-ID: <422196.57275.qm@web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Most interested in further information about St. Helena Island. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/64a13116/attachment-0001.htm From AROEHL at aol.com Tue Apr 3 05:51:32 2007 From: AROEHL at aol.com (AROEHL@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 3 05:52:01 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2007 5:11:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, apparat@welho.com writes: It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka Sounds like a government operation - Aroehl ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070402/bf783292/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 3 05:54:05 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Tue Apr 3 05:54:34 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena In-Reply-To: <422196.57275.qm@web84309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200704030354.l333s4jw008015@mail35.syd.optusnet.com.au> Can you be more specific? All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of RICHARD W WALKER Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 1:17 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena Most interested in further information about St. Helena Island. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070403/0e964206/attachment.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Apr 4 18:51:19 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Apr 4 18:51:36 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com> <000701c77543$9779f7c0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <00d001c776d9$77f11ea0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> In which way did they do in the time of Napoleon? No big cargos for beer or for water, no cans fo tuna, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Nice thoughts but: a.. We don't get Seagulls, and all the seabirds are protected. b.. We have Tungi Spirit, but it's no substitute for beer on a hot day. c.. The streams flow when it rains but the water that is so expensive is that which is harvested and sold to the farmers. d.. How exactly do we trade with Ascension Island if the ship that links us in in the UK? e.. And the tuna cannery is waiting for cans, which are on the RMS ..... JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Shahul Hameed Sent: 2 April 2007 12:23 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070404/981f6422/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Wed Apr 4 18:34:22 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Wed Apr 4 19:34:58 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation References: <000601c7750e$eb5e82a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><4610F2B1.7060805@welho.com><000701c77543$9779f7c0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <00d001c776d9$77f11ea0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <001601c776d7$1b1a8ec0$0200a8c0@dad> I think it must have been a case of "ho-ho-ho and a bottle of rum!"... er, literally! ----- Original Message ----- From: giuliano tordini To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation In which way did they do in the time of Napoleon? No big cargos for beer or for water, no cans fo tuna, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Nice thoughts but: a.. We don't get Seagulls, and all the seabirds are protected. b.. We have Tungi Spirit, but it's no substitute for beer on a hot day. c.. The streams flow when it rains but the water that is so expensive is that which is harvested and sold to the farmers. d.. How exactly do we trade with Ascension Island if the ship that links us in in the UK? e.. And the tuna cannery is waiting for cans, which are on the RMS ..... JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Shahul Hameed Sent: 2 April 2007 12:23 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation Seagulls, Jack Mackerel and pipe fish would come to your rescue. Start brewing your own vodka. What happened to the small stream above. Is that still flowing? Use the rain harvested water for agri. The Tuna factory in Ruperts must have enough food for trading with the Ascension Island soldiers ration of Beer and Cigarettes. Tighten your belts for two more weeks. Shahul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka Tuominen To: John@burghhouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Not-so- Splendid Isolation It's quite astonishing that rising price of water has made it uneconomic to farm at St. Helena, that imports (with RMS!) are cheaper! And that milk needs to be imported! And that fish is hard to catch - while the fishermen are among the most experienced in the whole world! And that nicotine-intensive tobacco cannot be grown in the backyard! What the heck has gone wrong in this world? Regards, Jukka John Turner kirjoitti: > Dear List members, > > I write from the even-more-cut-off-than-usual Island of St. Helena. > As you may have heard, the RMS has broken down in Portland (the one in > the UK, of course) and will be, on current estimates, about 2-3 weeks > late returning from its voyage. > > Food may be a problem. Fish catches have recently been poor, and most > of the farmers gave up when the rising price of water made it > uneconomic to farm (the imports were cheaper). So Roast Donkey may be > on the menu soon, and I wonder if one could bake four-and-twenty Mynah > birds in a pie? The goldfish in the Castle Gardens pond are not in > evidence today - they have either gone into hiding or already been eaten. > > On the whole we're taking it in our stride. But rumour has it that > the cigarettes were going to run out anyway, and if we run out of > cigarettes AND beer - well it doesn't bear thinking about. > > > > * John Turner * > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > *From:* Simon Pipe [mailto:simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk] > *Sent:* 2 April 2007 09:03 > *To:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > *Subject:* RE: RMS St. Helena > > done. not sure they understood so I told BBC News online as well. cheers! > > > * Simon Pipe * > * North Oxfordshire reporter * > * BBC Oxford * > * 01295 258039 (no messages) * > * 07834 846022 * > * simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk * > > > > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:manager@sainthelenabank.com] > *Sent:* 02 April 2007 08:55 > *To:* Simon Pipe > *Subject:* RMS St. Helena > > Simon, > > Are your colleagues down in BBC R Solent aware of the problems with > the RMS? It's broken down in Portland and looks like being more than > two weeks late leaving. > > There's probably a story for them if they're not already on it. > > Regards, > > * John Turner * > > * ** Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena * > > * (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown , Island of St. Helena , > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) * > > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > > ** > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070404/2b963a81/attachment-0001.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Tue Apr 10 14:03:52 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Tue Apr 10 14:06:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Message-ID: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and I must admit I dread the day. I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to discover me and initiate the rescue? It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/08b9fa2d/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Tue Apr 10 14:37:57 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Tue Apr 10 14:43:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Message-ID: <041020071237.933.461B852500016D95000003A5219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Cannot stop "progress" John. Anyway, as we evolve and adaptation to the environment occurs, these phones will actually be growing out of the side of the faces of the next generations. I have six year olds coming to my office with phones hooked to their belts. What is even more offensive is that there is beginning marketing of all the "stuff" that goes with the phone (sequined or cartoon character case etc) targeting this early age group > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "John Turner" Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:06:59 +0000 Size: 11661 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/0f0e0609/attachment.eml From alastair.ts at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 16:48:54 2007 From: alastair.ts at gmail.com (Alastair Teeling-Smith) Date: Tue Apr 10 16:49:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Message-ID: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/010c8bde/attachment-0001.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Tue Apr 10 17:52:44 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Tue Apr 10 19:04:37 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena References: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <006a01c77b88$57ec2150$0300000a@dad> MessageWahaha, keep your "The Crossroads of Life"... imagine the irony if the ringtone was "Waterloo" by Abba instead!!! I've never been to St.Helena, though my hearts screams for it!... but if cell phones EVER had to reach the island, then I'm afraid the very notion of all that I've come to appreciate being pure about the Island will shatter. Hey, I'm NOT at all suggesting Helena is backward or mundane - your lifestyle holds the envy of the majority of us! There simply IS NO NEED for a cellphone to be on St.Helena except for the small profit to be made by the service providers... and I for one would eagerly set up a world-wide lobby against anything of the sort!!! Grrr! Yes, make no doubt they DO have a place for an emergency call if you were perched on the edge of a long-drop... (er, in South Africa that would mean something totally different - a "long-drop" is an "outside loo", haha), but funnier still, is that in South Africa, you'd more likely be hijacked on the way down! Given the distance and area covered by St.Helena, I feel the most practical form of emergency communication would be catered for by a CB radio (Citizen Band). Heck, then your "emergency" will be heard by many more at the same time - even better! We've survived without cellphones, until now. So what makes the "now" more important than the "then"? Well, the way we conduct "business" for one, has changed - cellphones have forced us to be contactable at any time our client demands our attention... or, not to mentioned a family member reminding us to buy milk and bread. But surely, with the few extra minutes it would take to reach any destination on St.Helana, it would be far more understandable to wait until you got there to hear that your cat got struck by lightning than to be told it via a cellphone half way there. Sure, on a relatively cosy island like Helena, one also wishes for that little extra privacy or confindentiality... especially if you've just driven over the last remaining Dodo (oh shyte, wrong ocean)... therefore, broadcasting it over a CB radio wouldn't be appropriate. Ok, there ARE more worst-case scenarios out there - so, without sounding farce, "What Would Jesus Do?" He'd simply climb back onto his donkey and "kick ass" back towards the emergency (or say it was thus!). But then again, it's always (most hoped for), that staffers would use their own initiative to address an issue without a manager's interception. Is sorting out the problem via a cellphone going to add any more to the solution of a dilemma in the end? Certainly not if you forgot to charge up the battery! :-)) Please, I'm NOT trying to suggest Helena holds back from "progress", all I'm saying is that that a balance should be considered between "needs" and percieved "wishes". What I AM suggesting, is that the allure and attraction of an "Eden" like St.Helana is far more attractive than the superficial impositions of our world - and YOU guys definitely hold the key! An international airport is ok, but believe me, you DON'T want cellular technology runing the landscape of your beautiful island nor have it's people suffer the effects from it's radiation, (ok, debatable). Another thing, the camoflaged tree masts often look as fake as a cactus on a tropical island! Sorry to load you with this John, but my assumption is that you play a deciding factor into wether St.Helena demands the pace of life cellphones provide - my feeling is that it boils down to economics, aesthetics and health. Best regards, Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and I must admit I dread the day. I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to discover me and initiate the rescue? It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/8273909d/attachment.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Tue Apr 10 19:27:07 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Tue Apr 10 19:04:48 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena References: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <003e01c77b95$d0e105a0$2698fea9@juliet> MessageOne of the most desirable things I noticed during my short stay on the island last October, was the ABSENCE of mobile phones. And one of the most noticeable sounds that I noticed while waiting for baggage at Brize Norton on my return to the UK. was the' all-together'- now switching on of the mobiles, and the ensuing cacophany of voices and ringing tones !!! I knew that I was back in the UK! Yes - I do have one - it is never switched on and kept in the car, for emergencies only - I take it inside occasionally, just to check the charge. I can appreciate John's fears - if only for the landscape, bristling with phone masts - imagine them on Diana's Peak - the mind boggles ! I am returning to the island in August - the RMS. willing and caught up with her schedules - and my phone will remain firmly in the car, during my absence! I have read so many of your e-mails, John that I would like to put a face to the messages ! Juliet Cottam. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and I must admit I dread the day. I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to discover me and initiate the rescue? It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/ada56887/attachment-0001.htm From sabinasedola at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 21:31:37 2007 From: sabinasedola at hotmail.com (sabina sedola) Date: Tue Apr 10 21:32:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: Je suis d'accord avec vous,John et je partage votre desorroi. Si on ne peut pas arr?ter le "progr?s",au moins apprenons ? dire "non"? ses tentations les plus vulgaires. Le t?l?phone d'accord. Le th?l?phone portable NON (sauf pour des cas d'urgence bien pr?cis). Nous ne sommes pas des domestiques ? qui l'on s'adresse en sonnant une clochette pour demander un service! R?fusez. Donnez l'exemple et r?fusez. Tenez bon et r?fusez. Amiti?s Sabina >From: "John Turner" >Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng)" >To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > >Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:52 -0000 > >It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and >I must admit I dread the day. > >I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I >moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge >road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I >ran >off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian >Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. >Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to >discover me and initiate the rescue? > >It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me >out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my >known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. >I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for >some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to >answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for >themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. > >And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the >conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating >dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering >machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in >restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in >a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. > >I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station >masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their >'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. > >These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. >But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. > >Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few >minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing >with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? > > > >John Turner >Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else >is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the >intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying >of >this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance >on >it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly >delete the communication. Thank you. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ C'? una nuova amica su Messenger E' Doretta! http://www.doretta82.it From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 10 22:27:34 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Tue Apr 10 22:28:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsear ch=true &chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=1 0&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&c boBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/e4444914/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Tue Apr 10 22:59:07 2007 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Tue Apr 10 22:59:38 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale References: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/2a4edead/attachment-0001.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Tue Apr 10 23:33:44 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Tue Apr 10 23:10:03 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena References: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <002901c77bb8$31598de0$2698fea9@juliet> MessageHow I agree re- your comments on mobile phones. When I was on the island last October, I was very aware of the 'peace' without the incessant ringing of mobile phones, and the consequent babble - what heaven ! When I was waiting to retrieve my baggage at Brize Norton, there was an atmosphere of 'altogether folks' and the the air was filled with the sound of ring tones and ensuing loud voices - this was the mobile phones being put back into use after a enforced rest !! I knew that I was back in the UK. Yes! I do have a mobile, but it is kept in the car, purely for emergencies - it is never switched on, and noone knows the number - I take it into the house occasionally, just to top up the battery. I am returning to the peace of St.Helena in August, the RMS. willing and back on schedule - I hope - and my mobile will be left behind in the car.The thought of Diana's Peak bristling with radio masts etc. is just too awful to contemplate. Having read so many of your e-mails, John - perhaps I can put a face to the sender when in Jamestown - the Consulate- here I come again! Juliet Cottam. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, and I must admit I dread the day. I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to discover me and initiate the rescue? It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070410/ce7d6f0b/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 11 01:06:27 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Apr 11 01:22:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <200704102306.l3AN6OE0011373@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> Robin has published several books of poetry about St Helena as well - there are usually two or three on sale on the RMS. Some of his poetry is rather unusual, to say the least and he certainly could be regarded as somewhat eccentric. He's been on the ship a couple of times when we've traveled and he can be a very amusing man, but he did have some long standing disagreements with people on the island, I know. From what he had to say one was the Bishop - I believe that Prince's Lodge was originally the residence of the Bishop - and there was also a problem with some cannons that had been recovered from the sea bed. Perhaps these have all come to a head - t seems that he has decided to quite the island. Not too sure about the value of his collection being in the millions though. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 6:59 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/93996373/attachment-0001.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 11 08:16:05 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Apr 11 08:17:03 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Robin Castell In-Reply-To: <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <200704110616.l3B6G7VK026082@mail20.syd.optusnet.com.au> I knew I had some of his poems somewhere - here are a couple he sent me after I had given him some photographs of the escaped Boer prisoner being returned to the island. I don't know if any of you know the story but essentially the man - Andries Smorenburg - had himself crated in a box marked 'Boer Curios' and loaded aboard the Goth in December 1901. He was discovered five days out and put ashore at Ascension Island, from there being returned to St Helena and imprisoned at High Knoll. The photos are quite remarkable and show how little the quayside has changed in the past 100 years!! Anyway, here are the poems: CHAMBER POT Life's like a half filled chamber pot Beneath an unmade bed A golden liquid waste somewhat Was acid warmly shed. In life this pot though cracked of course Not filled yet to the brim And so the organ of the source Can never reach the rim. This useless fluid cold and stale Despatched whilst in the dark Perhaps reflects the awesome scale T hat none defies remark. Is trust the saviour of our hope With eyes behind the wool? This pot is life's unbalanced scope Half empty or half full? CONTEMPLATION The evening's hour was bright above The mystic moon so softly beamed Its light of lights reflecting love A peaceful world in which I dreamed. My thoughts all lived in times gone by Hope was the hope of future hours Such hope seduced my searching eye... What's cooking in this world of ours? EGG ISLAND There is a tiny rock that hugs her Mother Isle; Egg Island is its name an aptly framed profile. With battery atop to guard the Northern coast; A sanctuary today, it is the seabirds' host, In olden times on duty there were soldiers found; Unhappy tale there was of one who sadly drowned, Remembered he his name engraved upon the wall; To him in Jamestown Church relates his fateful fall It's now an isolated guano shrouded throne; Where soldier ghost patrols his restless haunted zone, Encompassed by the sea this edifice does dwell; Egg Island long fabled by bright immortal shell! All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 6:59 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I hope to visit your magic island before. Friendly. giuliano ----- Original Message ----- From: "sabina sedola" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena > Je suis d'accord avec vous,John et je partage votre desorroi. Si on ne > peut pas arr?ter le "progr?s",au moins apprenons ? dire "non"? ses > tentations les plus vulgaires. > Le t?l?phone d'accord. Le th?l?phone portable NON (sauf pour des cas > d'urgence bien pr?cis). Nous ne sommes pas des domestiques ? qui l'on > s'adresse en sonnant une clochette pour demander un service! > R?fusez. Donnez l'exemple et r?fusez. Tenez bon et r?fusez. > Amiti?s > Sabina > > >>From: "John Turner" >>Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the >>South Atlantic(Eng)" >>To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" >> >>Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena >>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:52 -0000 >> >>It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, >>and >>I must admit I dread the day. >> >>I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I >>moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge >>road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I >>ran >>off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched >>"Italian >>Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. >>Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to >>discover me and initiate the rescue? >> >>It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me >>out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my >>known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located >>me. >>I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for >>some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to >>answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for >>themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. >> >>And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the >>conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating >>dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering >>machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in >>restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as >>in >>a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. >> >>I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station >>masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their >>'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. >> >>These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. >>But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. >> >>Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few >>minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing >>with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? >> >> >> >>John Turner >>Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >>(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >>Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >>Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >> >>NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >>confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >>and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone >>else >>is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not >>the >>intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying >>of >>this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance >>on >>it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >>communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly >>delete the communication. Thank you. > > >>The S:t Helena Mailing List >>To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > _________________________________________________________________ > C'? una nuova amica su Messenger. E' Doretta! http://www.doretta82.it > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From joocee at btopenworld.com Wed Apr 11 10:59:50 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Wed Apr 11 10:34:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale References: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701c77c17$c5626340$2698fea9@juliet> Apologies for mailing on the same theme - mobile phones- twice! I have a stone age computor and very often the 'send' button doesn't do just that or sticks!! I love the poems and will print them off to keep in my St. Helena memory book. juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alastair Teeling-Smith To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/37814f4d/attachment.htm From john at burghhouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:11:58 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:14:21 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <001101c77c19$78cfa810$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I can't comment on this particular case but I can advise on the rules in general. Anyone who is not a Saint and wishes to buy property on St. Helena must first obtain an Immigrant Landholding Licence. The licence covers the purchase of a specific property; if you want to buy another you need to obtain another licence. You cannot obtain a generalised licence and then go shopping. The rules and mechanisms for obtaining this licence are changing (to meet the needs of economic growth - inward investors will need to be able to buy property, for example), but broadly require that: 1. The property has already been advertised to Saints and there were no takers 2. The 'Immigrant' will not be a strain on the health and social security systems of St. Helena Anyone interested in investing in island property can read the local newspapers (links on the bank's website) or the island's estate agent / realtor - www.tps.co.sh I hope that helps. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 10 April 2007 20:28 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsear ch=true &chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=1 0&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&c boBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/72baaf02/attachment-0001.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:23:26 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:25:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena In-Reply-To: References: <000001c77b68$50a20880$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <000a01c77c1b$13162c90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> ... And as anyone who's been here will confirm, there is never much "urgence" in St.?Helena, "bien pr?cis" or otherwise. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of sabina sedola Sent: 10 April 2007 19:32 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Je suis d'accord avec vous,John et je partage votre desorroi. Si on ne peut pas arr?ter le "progr?s",au moins apprenons ? dire "non"? ses tentations les plus vulgaires. Le t?l?phone d'accord. Le th?l?phone portable NON (sauf pour des cas d'urgence bien pr?cis). Nous ne sommes pas des domestiques ? qui l'on s'adresse en sonnant une clochette pour demander un service! R?fusez. Donnez l'exemple et r?fusez. Tenez bon et r?fusez. Amiti?s Sabina >From: "John Turner" >Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng)" >To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > >Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:52 -0000 > >It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, >and I must admit I dread the day. > >I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since >I moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the >ridge road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would >happen if I ran off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, >was perched "Italian Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long >drop down to Sandy Bay. >Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to >discover me and initiate the rescue? > >It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me >out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my >known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located me. >I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, >for some managers, this could result in them being continually >disturbed to answer questions that their staff could really have sorted >out for themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. > >And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when >the conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or >eating dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the >answering machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you >in restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as >well as in a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. > >I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with >base-station masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill >because their 'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. > >These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. >But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. > >Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few >minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, >ringing with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? > > > >John Turner >Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: >PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the >transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to >this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication >in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, >dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any >action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly >prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication >in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the >communication. Thank you. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ C'? una nuova amica su Messenger E' Doretta! http://www.doretta82.it The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:26:02 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:28:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> References: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <001101c77c1b$6df962d0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> As I understand it, anything that pre-dates 1900 cannot be removed from the island, so the sale may include the collection but only as long as the owner plans to keep it here (or intends to smuggle it elsewhere). I looked at the SA estate agent's website and did not see either this or the need for a licence mentioned. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: 10 April 2007 20:59 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/61b1e891/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:27:20 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:29:41 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <00d401c77c13$0ddb09b0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> References: <00d401c77c13$0ddb09b0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <001601c77c1b$9c49ec40$2d0b000a@shgbank45> If anyone is coming here and feels the need to bring a satellite phone I should warn that only one of the networks has coverage (and I can't remember which one). JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 11 April 2007 08:26 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena Dear friends, I agree with you about to refuse the mobile phone, I would like that all the things we love remain the same as long as possible. But in the same time I see that each of us is a romantic person who speaks to other romantic persons via "mailing-list": we can speak to refuse the progress using the progress. Funny, no? Perhaps you can decide to refuse the mobile phone now, but sooner or later it will arrive, perhaps better the satellite one, without the mast in the landscape. But surely it will arrive; and the building of the airport will accelerate it. And I hope to visit your magic island before. Friendly. giuliano ----- Original Message ----- From: "sabina sedola" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena > Je suis d'accord avec vous,John et je partage votre desorroi. Si on ne > peut pas arr?ter le "progr?s",au moins apprenons ? dire "non"? ses > tentations les plus vulgaires. > Le t?l?phone d'accord. Le th?l?phone portable NON (sauf pour des cas > d'urgence bien pr?cis). Nous ne sommes pas des domestiques ? qui l'on > s'adresse en sonnant une clochette pour demander un service! > R?fusez. Donnez l'exemple et r?fusez. Tenez bon et r?fusez. > Amiti?s > Sabina > > >>From: "John Turner" >>Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the >>South Atlantic(Eng)" >>To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" >> >>Subject: [STHELENA] Mobile 'Phones in St. Helena >>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:03:52 -0000 >> >>It has been suggested that mobile 'phones will soon come to St. Helena, >>and >>I must admit I dread the day. >> >>I accept that the things have their uses. I had one in the UK. Since I >>moved here there have been times when, while driving home along the ridge >>road, in the dark and with thick mist, I wondered what would happen if I >>ran >>off the road and was stuck in a ditch or, worse still, was perched >>"Italian >>Job"-style precariously on the edge of the long drop down to Sandy Bay. >>Would I still be there by the time another vehicle happened along to >>discover me and initiate the rescue? >> >>It would, I'm sure, be useful if the bank staff could contact me >>out-of-the-office with an urgent problem, without having to ring all my >>known contacts in sequence of descending probability until they located >>me. >>I'm sure my staff would use this facility responsibly but I fear that, for >>some managers, this could result in them being continually disturbed to >>answer questions that their staff could really have sorted out for >>themselves had the 'phone call not been so easy to make. >> >>And mobiles are very intrusive in private life. It's bad enough when the >>conventional 'phone rings at home while you are watching a film or eating >>dinner, and you have to decide whether to answer it or leave the answering >>machine to do its job. With a mobile this dilemma haunts you in >>restaurants, bars, fishing out at sea or hiking on the hills, as well as >>in >>a variety of other places and situations, some too intimate to discuss. >> >>I also do not welcome having the countryside festooned with base-station >>masts, or having drivers stop in the middle of Ladder Hill because their >>'phone is ringing and they know they mustn't drive while talking on it. >> >>These are all good reasons for not bringing mobile 'phones to St. Helena. >>But to my mind there is a much more convincing one. >> >>Can you imagine walking the paths of St. Helena and having, every few >>minutes, the peace and tranquillity shattered by a mobile 'phone, ringing >>with the opening bars of "The Crossroads of Life"? >> >> >> >>John Turner >>Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >>(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >>Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >>Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >> >>NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >>confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >>and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone >>else >>is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not >>the >>intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying >>of >>this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance >>on >>it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >>communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly >>delete the communication. Thank you. > > >>The S:t Helena Mailing List >>To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > _________________________________________________________________ > C'? una nuova amica su Messenger. E' Doretta! http://www.doretta82.it > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 11 11:30:57 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 11 11:33:13 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale References: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> <002501c77bb3$1622f2a0$a896f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <000001c77c1c$1ff0c5f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> PS: they also forgot to mention that, although "This north-facing home looks onto the sea ", it does so over the roofs of Half Tree Hollow. _____ From: John Turner [mailto:John@BurghHouse.com] Sent: 11 April 2007 09:26 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale As I understand it, anything that pre-dates 1900 cannot be removed from the island, so the sale may include the collection but only as long as the owner plans to keep it here (or intends to smuggle it elsewhere). I looked at the SA estate agent's website and did not see either this or the need for a licence mentioned. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: 10 April 2007 20:59 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Yes, Prince's Lodge belongs to Robin Castell, a poetaster who lives in Simonstown, South Africa. I met him on the RMS last year. I can't imagine what he's asking for it, but I do know prices of land and property have shot up enormously since the announcement that an airport is to be built. I don't understand why his art collection is being sold with it, but the whole bundle will be worth millions I should think. John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/febe6432/attachment.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 11 16:01:02 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 11 16:01:52 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <001101c77c19$78cfa810$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> <001101c77c19$78cfa810$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <8C94A58F97EFC7C-858-60A0@WEBMAIL-RD16.sysops.aol.com> Was there a price on this home? I couldn't find it. -----Original Message----- From: john@burghhouse.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 3:11 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale I can't comment on this particular case but I can advise on the rules in general. Anyone who is not a Saint and wishes to buy property on St. Helena must first obtain an Immigrant Landholding Licence. The licence covers the purchase of a specific property; if you want to buy another you need to obtain another licence. You cannot obtain a generalised licence and then go shopping. The rules and mechanisms for obtaining this licence are changing (to meet the needs of economic growth - inward investors will need to be able to buy property, for example), but broadly require that: The property has already been advertised to Saints and there were no takers The 'Immigrant' will not be a strain on the health and social security systems of St. Helena Anyone interested in investing in island property can read the local newspapers (links on the bank's website) or the island's estate agent / realtor - www.tps.co.sh I hope that helps. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 10 April 2007 20:28 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/30aee4a5/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Wed Apr 11 16:41:47 2007 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Wed Apr 11 16:44:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <8C94A58F97EFC7C-858-60A0@WEBMAIL-RD16.sysops.aol.com> References: <2250304b0704100748h4b14571ei30f5baf70607edbb@mail.gmail.com> <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au><001101c77c19$78cfa810$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <8C94A58F97EFC7C-858-60A0@WEBMAIL-RD16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <005a01c77c47$8b383f70$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I think we'd all like to know the asking price, but if I send them an email I think they'll guess from my email address that I'm just being curious. If anyone on the List would care to email them (link on the webpage) and then circulate the answer it would satisfy our lust for details! Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: 11 April 2007 14:01 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Was there a price on this home? I couldn't find it. -----Original Message----- From: john@burghhouse.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 3:11 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale I can't comment on this particular case but I can advise on the rules in general. Anyone who is not a Saint and wishes to buy property on St. Helena must first obtain an Immigrant Landholding Licence. The licence covers the purchase of a specific property; if you want to buy another you need to obtain another licence. You cannot obtain a generalised licence and then go shopping. The rules and mechanisms for obtaining this licence are changing (to meet the needs of economic growth - inward investors will need to be able to buy property, for example), but broadly require that: 1. The property has already been advertised to Saints and there were no takers 2. The 'Immigrant' will not be a strain on the health and social security systems of St. Helena Anyone interested in investing in island property can read the local newspapers (links on the bank's website) or the island's estate agent / realtor - www.tps.co.sh I hope that helps. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 10 April 2007 20:28 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] House for sale Last time I spoke to him, Princes Lodge belonged to Robin Castell whose business card describes him as Historian Poet Patriot. I wonder why he has decided to abandon St Helena? The property is in a tremendous spot on the island with wonderful views. John Turner may be able to update you with the latest position on foreign ownership. As I understood the last piece I read no final decision had been made. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Nap! oleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsear ch=true &chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=1 0&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&c boBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. __________ NOD32 2176 (20070410) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070411/735517c0/attachment-0001.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Thu Apr 12 13:35:50 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Thu Apr 12 13:36:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale References: <200704102027.l3AKRVSc016286@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <00fd01c77cf6$b9012ed0$6501a8c0@Pam> I emailed yesterday requesting info about price and more pics if available. I had to register and the registration was acknowleged but so far have heard nothing else. I guess it is late afternnoon on Thursday in SA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Hi I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting place." You see pictures and more details: http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? Alastair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070412/baf3037e/attachment.htm From dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com Thu Apr 12 22:20:44 2007 From: dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com (Dawn Waters) Date: Thu Apr 12 22:21:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: <00fd01c77cf6$b9012ed0$6501a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Dawn Hampshire UK >From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:35:50 -0400 > >I emailed yesterday requesting info about price and more pics if available. > I had to register and the registration was acknowleged but so far have >heard nothing else. I guess it is late afternnoon on Thursday in SA. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale > > > > Hi > > > > I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for >sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: > > > > "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the South >Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian Mansion >built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, which is >being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St Helena >prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, as well as >all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing boat with >permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home looks onto the >sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an exquisite antiqie >mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch of traditional >gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 large dining and >reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house consists of 2 beds, a >kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport due for completion in >2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in Napoleon's final resting >place." > > > > You see pictures and more details: > > >http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listrefsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/131654&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residential > > > > They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where is >it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? > > > > Alastair > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.co.uk From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Thu Apr 12 22:52:50 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Thu Apr 12 22:50:56 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AEDD17-E44B-43A2-9C12-83D84C80B694@earthlink.net> On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Dawn Waters wrote: > Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Time share :-) From john at burghhouse.com Fri Apr 13 10:04:12 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 13 10:06:31 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: References: <00fd01c77cf6$b9012ed0$6501a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: <006b01c77da2$55415f30$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I would dearly love to read the Immigrant Landholding Licence application for that one! JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Dawn Waters Sent: 12 April 2007 20:21 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Dawn Hampshire UK >From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:35:50 -0400 > >I emailed yesterday requesting info about price and more pics if available. > I had to register and the registration was acknowleged but so far >have heard nothing else. I guess it is late afternnoon on Thursday in SA. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale > > > > Hi > > > > I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for >sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: > > > > "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the >South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian >Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, >which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St >Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, >as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing >boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home >looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an >exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch >of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 >large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house >consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport >due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in >Napoleon's final resting place." > > > > You see pictures and more details: > > >http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listre >fsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/13165 >4&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500 >000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residenti >al > > > > They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where >is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? > > > > Alastair > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.co.uk The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2184 (20070412) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Norman at theroasterie.com Thu Apr 12 22:23:30 2007 From: Norman at theroasterie.com (Norman Killmon) Date: Fri Apr 13 13:27:32 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71858DB636741E42850EFF2579F987835B9A80@espresso.TheRoasterie.Coffee> I want the first two weeks in July......norm. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Dawn Waters Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:21 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Dawn Hampshire UK >From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] House for sale >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:35:50 -0400 > >I emailed yesterday requesting info about price and more pics if available. > I had to register and the registration was acknowleged but so far >have heard nothing else. I guess it is late afternnoon on Thursday in SA. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of Alastair Teeling-Smith > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:49 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale > > > > Hi > > > > I see that a South African estate agent has a house on St Helena for >sale, the Prince's Lodge. This is an extract from their website: > > > > "A home filled with history, hidden on a secluded island in the >South Atlantic. The Prince's Lodge on St Helena Island is a Georgian >Mansion built in 1808. Old-world charm and tradition fill this house, >which is being sold complete with the world's largest collection of St >Helena prints, lithographs, maps, aquarelles, engravings and pictures, >as well as all its furnishings. The price also includes a 24ft fishing >boat with permanent mooring in St James bay. This north-facing home >looks onto the sea and has timber flooring throughout, as well as an >exquisite antiqie mahogany staircase. The billiards room adds a touch >of traditional gentleman's appeal to the property. The house has 2 >large dining and reception rooms and the victorian-style guest house >consists of 2 beds, a kitchen, lounge and dining room. With an airport >due for completion in 2010, this would be an ideal time to invest in >Napoleon's final resting place." > > > > You see pictures and more details: > > >http://www.pamgolding.co.za/property_search/property_detail.aspx?listre >fsearch=true&chkComplexType=&cboProvince=STHEL&propertyid=162/213/13165 >4&Start=&Offset=10&lstProperties=C_123456&cboMinPrice=0&cboMaxPrice=500 >000000&cboBedrooms=0&cboBathrooms=0&chkAmenities=|&txtResType=Residenti >al > > > > They don't disclose the asking price. Who owns the house and where >is it? And would a 'foreigner' be able to buy it? > > > > Alastair > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.co.uk The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From Lewis at Alumni.Duke.edu Thu Apr 12 22:41:02 2007 From: Lewis at Alumni.Duke.edu (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Fri Apr 13 13:27:33 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FC2935A-1D3E-4056-B10D-71857F2A094B@Alumni.Duke.edu> On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Dawn Waters wrote: > Maybe we could purchase as a syndicate?!!! Time share ;-) From John at BurghHouse.com Tue Apr 17 09:58:23 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Tue Apr 17 10:01:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <000801c780c6$50df2630$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070417/2765500e/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Tue Apr 17 10:07:35 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Tue Apr 17 10:08:04 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000801c780c6$50df2630$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000801c780c6$50df2630$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46248E57.19835.566445@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 17 Apr 2007 at 7:58, John Turner wrote: > last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an > advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement > is apparently not available on the Internet... Typical in the teaching context. What would a teacher want with that newfangled internet stuff? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From ahs at st-helena.org Tue Apr 17 10:30:54 2007 From: ahs at st-helena.org (A.H. Schulenburg) Date: Tue Apr 17 10:31:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <000801c780c6$50df2630$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <003401c780ca$b8760580$0301a8c0@TIME2003> MessageThe advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co.uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070417/009ea8d5/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 17 10:40:54 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Tue Apr 17 10:41:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <003401c780ca$b8760580$0301a8c0@TIME2003> Message-ID: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 17 April 2007 08:41 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2194 (20070416) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070417/4ab07cc9/attachment.htm From simon.pipe at bbc.co.uk Tue Apr 17 11:42:40 2007 From: simon.pipe at bbc.co.uk (Simon Pipe) Date: Tue Apr 17 11:43:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <003401c780ca$b8760580$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <3103E6DC0AB6144FB61C906EEFFB6ACD014A76F2@bbcxue801.national.core.bbc.co.uk> anyone thinking of applying should think hard about the difficulties of obtaining a teaching job in the UK afterwards. I think it's been an issue for some people who've gone to St Helena in professional roles. Simon Pipe North Oxfordshire reporter BBC Oxford 01295 258039 (no messages) 07834 846022 simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 17 April 2007 09:41 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070417/94aaf16c/attachment-0001.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Apr 18 07:00:56 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Apr 18 07:01:04 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> MessageJohn, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/046a1be1/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 18 12:12:11 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:15:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> References: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au> <00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <000301c781a2$0e307410$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: * Italians who teach; and / or * people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> >Giuliano, >I have no objection to having here: >Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian >Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always >prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps >for the same reason, do not like German operas). > >Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, >being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not >professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and >requirements of my children. > >My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though >I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching >the movie The Italian Job. > >But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an >island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make >up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you >count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). > >That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the >curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. > >Sad, but true. > >Regards, > >John Turner >Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone >else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are >not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, >copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken >in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have >received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply >and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > >---------- >From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf >Of giuliano tordini >Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 >To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Terry Herbert >To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng)' >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM >Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up >to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > >All the best > >Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > >---------- >From: list-bounces@sthelena.se >[mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg >Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM >To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >The advert is available online at > >http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > > >Regards, >Alexander > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Turner >To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM >Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried >an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. > >The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone >can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main >details I'd be most grateful. > >Regards, >John Turner >Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena >(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South >Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/783824ce/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Wed Apr 18 13:54:22 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:57:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20070418131634.01ce9d00@194.52.167.3> References: <00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI><200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au><00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> <5.1.1.6.0.20070418131634.01ce9d00@194.52.167.3> Message-ID: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2200 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/ff7b6933/attachment-0001.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 18 14:15:21 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Apr 18 14:16:02 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <200704181215.l3ICFHu3010141@mail26.syd.optusnet.com.au> That?s going a bit far, surely. It is certainly easier to understand Saint than some of the mainland accents, like Glaswegian for example. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2007 9:54 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/0c07de68/attachment-0001.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Apr 18 14:20:57 2007 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Apr 18 14:21:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <200704170840.l3H8eoVJ016141@mail34.syd.optusnet.com.au><00b001c78176$8c3de8a0$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> <000301c781a2$0e307410$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <006f01c781b4$04b4c280$0200a8c0@ESSEDI> MessageThank you for the answer, John; of course I was joking about the 30000 pounds. Teaching in a school is not my job, the only think I could teach is to navigate; or I could make the doctor, as I made for 37 years. Only speculations. Greetings. g ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: a.. Italians who teach; and / or b.. people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Simon Pipe Sent: 17 April 2007 09:43 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena anyone thinking of applying should think hard about the difficulties of obtaining a teaching job in the UK afterwards. I think it's been an issue for some people who've gone to St Helena in professional roles. Simon Pipe North Oxfordshire reporter BBC Oxford 01295 258039 (no messages) 07834 846022 simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/7b5d936d/attachment-0001.htm From jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk Wed Apr 18 20:08:47 2007 From: jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk (Jeff@tiscali) Date: Wed Apr 18 20:03:42 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <46265EAF.1040704@tiscali.co.uk> Come on Tessa, John is only joking! It's only an observation! Have you ever been to Glasgow, Bristol, Portsmouth, Newcastle, Norwich, Ipswich...etc.. I could go on, and understand the local dialect that is supposed to be English? Regards Jeff Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > *As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! * I feel certain > most St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to > see you post such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *John Turner > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > *Subject:* RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > JT > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *Rich Perkins > *Sent:* 18 April 2007 11:20 > *To:* list@sthelena.se > *Subject:* RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches > the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was > compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory > for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach > on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or > Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian > > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I > always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, > perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, > being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not > professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and > requirements of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, > though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is > watching the movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on > an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose > visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the > curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > *John Turner* > *Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena* > *(Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ)* > *Tel: +290 3235 *(office +290 2044) > *NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: *This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *giuliano tordini > *Sent:* 18 April 2007 05:01 > *To:* All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > *Subject:* Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry Herbert > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it > up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of > course. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > > Australia > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > The advert is available online at > > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > > > Regards, > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Turner > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > ; 'Various UK Contacts' > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) > carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. > > The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if > anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email > me the main details I'd be most grateful. > > Regards, > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, > South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. 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From kesslerg at hotmail.com Wed Apr 18 20:10:18 2007 From: kesslerg at hotmail.com (Gregory Kessler) Date: Wed Apr 18 20:10:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <200704181215.l3ICFHu3010141@mail26.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/450ad65c/attachment-0001.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 18 20:50:00 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 20:50:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <8C9500180693E90-115C-340B@WEBMAIL-RC09.sysops.aol.com> Oh brother, Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher skin. -----Original Message----- From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). --------------------------------- From: "Terry Herbert" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: ,"'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:15:21 +1000 .shape{;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal{margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig{margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}p{margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}span.EmailStyle18{font-family:Arial;color:navy;}@page Section1{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}div.Section1{page:Section1;}ol{margin-bottom:0cm;}ul{margin-bottom:0cm;} That?s going a bit far, surely. It is certainly easier to understand Saint than some of the mainland accents, like Glaswegian for example. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2007 9:54 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. --------------------------------- Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 21:12:34 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:10:05 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Gregory Kessler wrote: > I got my application today and will have it filled out this > weekend. I am currently a high school librarian in the USA. > Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). Looking at the requirements, but not having looked at the application, it's unclear how US qualifications would be assessed. A- levels? And how many Americans are considered qualified in "geography" to the standards of anyone outside the States? You bring up a significant barrier: the wife's permission could be a problem if she is in the habit of visiting family. Remember, Uncle Sam wants tax paid on citizens' worldwide income. Of course, the IRS may not know where St. Helena is, or whether it's near a war zone. Unscrupulous filers might try for a combat pay exemption. I would assume the UK tax treaty with the US allows for credit for tax paid to St. Helena as if it were paid to the UK, so you should not be taxed twice, at any rate. Good luck! Very best regards, Chris From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 21:28:11 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:28:47 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <269015.36444.qm@web54512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7E3@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Okay I'm pissed now and I can't even respond! Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:00 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Good for you Gregory! I wish you the best of luck with the application and interview process. Nissa Nystrom Fargo, ND USA --- Gregory Kessler wrote: --------------------------------- I got my application today and will have it filled out this weekend. I am currently a high school librarian in the USA. Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). --------------------------------- From: "Terry Herbert" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: ,"'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:15:21 +1000 .shape{;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal{margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig{margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}p{margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';}span.EmailStyle18{font-family:Arial;color:navy;}@page Section1{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}div.Section1{page:Section1;}ol{margin-bottom:0cm;}ul{margin-bottom:0cm;} That's going a bit far, surely. It is certainly easier to understand Saint than some of the mainland accents, like Glaswegian for example. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2007 9:54 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia --------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. --------------------------------- Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 21:28:46 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:33:04 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <306839.61037.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wow Chris, it almost sounded like you were trying to talk Gregory out of even applying. Do you have anything positive to say about the possibility of Gregory working and living on St. Helena? Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- "Christopher D. Lewis" wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Gregory Kessler wrote: > > > I got my application today and will have it filled > out this > > weekend. I am currently a high school librarian > in the USA. > > Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my > wife). > > Looking at the requirements, but not having looked > at the > application, it's unclear how US qualifications > would be assessed. A- > levels? And how many Americans are considered > qualified in > "geography" to the standards of anyone outside the > States? > > You bring up a significant barrier: the wife's > permission could be a > problem if she is in the habit of visiting family. > > Remember, Uncle Sam wants tax paid on citizens' > worldwide income. Of > course, the IRS may not know where St. Helena is, or > whether it's > near a war zone. Unscrupulous filers might try for > a combat pay > exemption. I would assume the UK tax treaty with > the US allows for > credit for tax paid to St. Helena as if it were paid > to the UK, so > you should not be taxed twice, at any rate. > > Good luck! > > Very best regards, > Chris > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 21:38:35 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:39:12 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: English Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7F9@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> I am having trouble posting to the list at the moment, unable to get "reply" messages through. I would appreciate if this gets bounced from the main list, if one of you would post it. Tessa ________________________________ From: Tessa Boucherot Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:30 PM To: 'list-bounces@sthelena.se' Subject: English Was he? While, I understand that in an email, tone is difficult to read, I took offense! Must I see it as a joke? What of the comment "Though having heard the Announcements > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either."? Where's the joke here? An "observation" would be "......St. Helenians have a peculiar accent.." Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Jeff@tiscali Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:09 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Come on Tessa, John is only joking! It's only an observation! Have you ever been to Glasgow, Bristol, Portsmouth, Newcastle, Norwich, Ipswich...etc.. I could go on, and understand the local dialect that is supposed to be English? Regards Jeff Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > *As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! * I feel certain > most St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to > see you post such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *John Turner > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > *Subject:* RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > JT Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/e6b72128/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 21:55:03 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 21:55:34 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C9500180693E90-115C-340B@WEBMAIL-RC09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> If someone is offended by a comment made on this list, they have a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with it or not. We are all adults. I think we are mature enough to allow for others opinions just as freely as we voice our own. A tougher skin doesn't make a wrong right and just because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one else should be. On a positive note, I guess we can all rest assured that you will keep any and all future objections you might have in regard to subject matter discussed on this list tightly concealed under your tough skin. Thank you for that in advance. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Oh brother, > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher > skin. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > children and therefore not professionally qualified > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on an island that receives many > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > ??30,000 a year!!! What???s he average salary on the > island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > scan and email it or just email me the main details > I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From concorde93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 22:04:00 2007 From: concorde93 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Fonseca?=) Date: Wed Apr 18 22:04:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: English In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7F9@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7F9@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: Only to check that I'm in list. Best for all of you people! St Helena rullez :) On 4/18/07, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > I am having trouble posting to the list at the moment, unable to get > "reply" messages through. I would appreciate if this gets bounced from the > main list, if one of you would post it. > > Tessa > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Tessa Boucherot > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:30 PM > *To:* 'list-bounces@sthelena.se' > *Subject:* English > > > > Was he? While, I understand that in an email, tone is difficult to read, > I took offense! Must I see it as a joke? > > > > What of the comment "Though having heard the Announcements > > > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either."? > Where's the joke here? > > > > An "observation" would be "......St. Helenians have a peculiar accent.." > > > > Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) > > BPM Senior Living Company > > 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 > > Portland, Oregon 97209 > > 503.595.3083 (direct) > > 503.274.4685 (fax) > > tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > > Please note my name change and email address change. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > On Behalf Of Jeff@tiscali > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:09 AM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Come on Tessa, > > John is only joking! It's only an observation! Have you ever been to > > Glasgow, Bristol, Portsmouth, Newcastle, Norwich, Ipswich...etc.. I > > could go on, and understand the local dialect that is supposed to be > > English? > > Regards > > Jeff > > > > Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > > > > > *As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! * I feel certain > > > most St. Helenians would. > > > > > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes > > > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to > > > see you post such a comment. > > > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > *On > > > Behalf Of *John Turner > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > > *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > > > *Subject:* RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given > > > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > > > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > > > > > JT > > > > Tessa Boucherot (*Boosh-er-row)* > > BPM Senior Living Company > > 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 > > Portland, Oregon 97209 > > 503.595.3083 (direct) > > 503.274.4685 (fax) > > tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > > *Please note my name change and email address change*. > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 22:36:32 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Apr 18 22:39:02 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <306839.61037.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <306839.61037.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Apr 18, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Nissa Nystrom wrote: > Wow Chris, it almost sounded like you were trying to > talk Gregory out of even applying. Do you have > anything positive to say about the possibility of > Gregory working and living on St. Helena? It's gorgeous there and I understood nearly everything any Saint ever tried to tell me. Most of what I didn't understand was in a noisy bar on the bay, so that hardly counts. Much easier to understand than Scousers, any day of the week. But then maybe I wasn't talking to the same Saints as John ;-) Assuming his wife is game, I'd encourage him to go for it. My only concern -- and it's not a reason not to apply, far from it -- is that non-UK credentials and expertise could be so unfamiliar to those handling the applications that their suitability might be hard for them to realize. Like Gregory, I have a degree in History -- but I don't have "A-levels" in the subject because they do not exist in the US. The fact that Gregory has taught history is certainly a plus ... and my dig against Americans' geography isn't aimed at him, but at the general population. We're famous for having no idea where anything is, even inside our own country. Gregory wrote: "I actually got the thumbs up from my wife this afternoon, although that could change." That's wonderful. I look forward to hearing how it goes. I hope they're open about the equivalence and suitability of non-UK credentials. Very best regards, Chris From thomas at flyingkettle.com Wed Apr 18 22:54:26 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Wed Apr 18 22:54:46 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC81B@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC81B@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] > Teachers for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From cplowe at mchsi.com Wed Apr 18 22:56:48 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 22:57:20 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> I think I would work on convincing the wife first > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Gregory Kessler" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:20:02 +0000 Size: 23744 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/26815382/attachment-0001.eml From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 23:04:09 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:06:40 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:56 PM, cplowe@mchsi.com wrote: > I think I would work on convincing the wife first He's got that licked, he says; the next obstacle is whoever will compare his application to those of people whose credentials they already comprehend. I look forward to word of my countryman's success. Though I suspect some foreigners may shudder to imagine history as taught by one of us! All the best, Chris From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:06:46 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:07:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46267DE2.5090009@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <739193.27943.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Reino, I am not sure what exactly you are referring to when you wrote "talking crap and asking for not considering it as such". Your thoughts did not translate well into your e-mail. My response is going to be according to what I could make of what you wrote. I don't believe I asked for any consideration one way or the other with what I had to say about allowing people their opinions. I guess there are some people on this list who feel their opinions are the only opinions that matter and if anyone else disagrees far be it for them to say something. If you are telling me to keep my opinions to myself then unfortunately, I have no alternative but to return the sentiment to you in kind. I hope that is not the case. I am not sure where it became okay for members on this list to treat each other so rudely and with such disregard but it really needs to stop. I believe Mr. Porter owes Tessa an apology. I responded to his e-mail only because of the way he disregarded Tessa's opinion. She is a native Saint. If she found a comment made about the people of St. Helena offensive, I would be willing to consider there might be some weight to what she is feeling. Best wishes Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Reino Bauer wrote: > Well Nissa, talking crap and asking for not > considering it as such may > work in ND but not on SH or in the rest of the > world. Keep it to > yourself and everybody will be satisfied, including > yourself. It is not > a question of free expression but of style. > > Reino. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 18 23:09:04 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:09:32 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <200704182109.l3IL90GG015030@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Indeed, 'tis so. It has always surprised me to see "flames" on the Internet in Chat sites, Forums and Mailing Lists. The anonymity of the Web seems at times to bring out the worst in some folks who say things that they would never (I hope) say face to face. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2007 6:54 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] > Teachers for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From lgreenf at ktb.net Wed Apr 18 23:23:47 2007 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:24:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <200704182109.l3IL90GG015030@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <000a01c781ff$da86a810$6400a8c0@main> Gee, What would be like if everyone on this list suddenly found themselves living on a small, isolated South Atlantic Island, where they had to live with each other day after day, week after week, year after year? Larry From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 23:24:20 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:24:53 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC86F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> I recalled a repeated message. I am having a little trouble posting to the list. Those are indeed very wise words from Omar Khayyam. I have one more thing to add regarding John Turner's comments: Would he have written those same comments to the St. Helena Independent? Would a local audience, St. Helenians, see this as a joke? I think not! Tessa Boucherot -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:54 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] > Teachers for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 18 23:27:45 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:28:19 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9501789F307E7-1310-4AF9@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Not hardly, Nissa. Welcome to the forum. -----Original Message----- From: nanystrom@yahoo.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena If someone is offended by a comment made on this list, they have a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with it or not. We are all adults. I think we are mature enough to allow for others opinions just as freely as we voice our own. A tougher skin doesn't make a wrong right and just because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one else should be. On a positive note, I guess we can all rest assured that you will keep any and all future objections you might have in regard to subject matter discussed on this list tightly concealed under your tough skin. Thank you for that in advance. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Oh brother, > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher > skin. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > children and therefore not professionally qualified > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on an island that receives many > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > ??30,000 a year!!! What???s he average salary on the > island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > scan and email it or just email me the main details > I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/bc086e10/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 23:29:03 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:29:32 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <200704182109.l3IL90GG015030@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC876@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Might I please reiterate that I was in now way attempting to recall my original message to John's comment! I successfully recalled a duplicate message, while having problems posting to the list. Tessa -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Indeed, 'tis so. It has always surprised me to see "flames" on the Internet in Chat sites, Forums and Mailing Lists. The anonymity of the Web seems at times to bring out the worst in some folks who say things that they would never (I hope) say face to face. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2007 6:54 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] > Teachers for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 18 23:30:23 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:30:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <739193.27943.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C95017E8870EB1-1310-4B36@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> I owe no one an apology. You give an opinion, expect one in return. -----Original Message----- From: nanystrom@yahoo.com To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Reino, I am not sure what exactly you are referring to when you wrote "talking crap and asking for not considering it as such". Your thoughts did not translate well into your e-mail. My response is going to be according to what I could make of what you wrote. I don't believe I asked for any consideration one way or the other with what I had to say about allowing people their opinions. I guess there are some people on this list who feel their opinions are the only opinions that matter and if anyone else disagrees far be it for them to say something. If you are telling me to keep my opinions to myself then unfortunately, I have no alternative but to return the sentiment to you in kind. I hope that is not the case. I am not sure where it became okay for members on this list to treat each other so rudely and with such disregard but it really needs to stop. I believe Mr. Porter owes Tessa an apology. I responded to his e-mail only because of the way he disregarded Tessa's opinion. She is a native Saint. If she found a comment made about the people of St. Helena offensive, I would be willing to consider there might be some weight to what she is feeling. Best wishes Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Reino Bauer wrote: > Well Nissa, talking crap and asking for not > considering it as such may > work in ND but not on SH or in the rest of the > world. Keep it to > yourself and everybody will be satisfied, including > yourself. It is not > a question of free expression but of style. > > Reino. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/26faa469/attachment.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 18 23:28:40 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:33:06 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46267DE2.5090009@bigfoot.com> References: <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> <46267DE2.5090009@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <8C95017AB306865-1310-4B0E@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Well said, Reino. -----Original Message----- From: rbauer6115@t-online.de To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Well Nissa, talking crap and asking for not considering it as such may work in ND but not on SH or in the rest of the world. Keep it to yourself and everybody will be satisfied, including yourself. It is not a question of free expression but of style. Reino. has notified the sender that this message has been received. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/ec41f9a9/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Wed Apr 18 23:32:46 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:33:11 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46269C8E.6540.3C4727@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 18 Apr 2007 at 16:04, Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > He's got that licked, he says; the next obstacle is whoever will > compare his application to those of people whose credentials they > already comprehend. I don't think a teacher from America has much chance of breaking into the UK teaching circle, via teaching in St. Helena. The UK has its own system and its own ways, and its own curriculum and its own procedures which have very little to do with actually teaching anything to the pupils, and while there may be an accreditation procedure for teachers from foreign parts, I doubt that it could be done on-the-spot in such a remote location. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:41:42 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:42:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C9501789F307E7-1310-4AF9@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <404077.18598.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Glad to hear that. Thanks. --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Not hardly, Nissa. Welcome to the forum. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nanystrom@yahoo.com > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > If someone is offended by a comment made on this > list, > they have a right to voice their opinion whether you > agree with it or not. We are all adults. I think > we > are mature enough to allow for others opinions just > as > freely as we voice our own. A tougher skin doesn't > make a wrong right and just because you weren't > offended doesn't mean no one else should be. On a > positive note, I guess we can all rest assured that > you will keep any and all future objections you > might > have in regard to subject matter discussed on this > list tightly concealed under your tough skin. Thank > you for that in advance. > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > > > Oh brother, > > > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get > tougher > > skin. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! > I > > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > > such a comment. > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > John > > Turner > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a > > foreign language, given that most people speak > > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > being > > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > > either. > > > > JT > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > Rich > > Perkins > > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, > St. > > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > > or German or Italian, what foreign language do > they > > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w > = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 > = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > > xmlns:ns0 = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > Giuliano, > > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > > Italian > > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > > language and I always prefer to hear Italian > operas > > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > > same reason, do not like German operas). > > > > Of course, my personal views on Education here > count > > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > > children and therefore not professionally > qualified > > to know anything about the welfare and > requirements > > of my children. > > > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > > Italian video course, though I must confess that > the > > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching > the > > movie The Italian Job. > > > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > > which is a shame on an island that receives many > > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > > visitors (unless you count Americans as > non-English > > speaking, of course). > > > > That being the case, I think the chances of > getting > > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as > us > > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > > > Sad, but true. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be > a > > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > > communication in error or are not the intended > > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > > distribution, copying of this communication or any > > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > > you have received this communication in error, > > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > > giuliano tordini > > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > > italian teacher in SH? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry Herbert > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > ????30,000 a year!!! What????????s he average > salary on the > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:45:12 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:45:41 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000a01c781ff$da86a810$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <33230.84056.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The discussion and debate would rival the most insightful, interesting and entertaining in the world. Of course, eventually people would be voted off. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Larry Greenfield wrote: > Gee, > What would be like if everyone on this list suddenly > found themselves living > on a small, isolated South Atlantic Island, where > they had to live with each > other day after day, week after week, year after > year? > Larry > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:48:57 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:49:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C95017E8870EB1-1310-4B36@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <443876.20729.qm@web54514.mail.yahoo.com> Exactly! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > I owe no one an apology. You give an opinion, expect > one in return. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nanystrom@yahoo.com > To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 3:06 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Hi Reino, > I am not sure what exactly you are referring to when > you wrote "talking crap and asking for not > considering > it as such". Your thoughts did not translate well > into your e-mail. My response is going to be > according to what I could make of what you wrote. > I don't believe I asked for any consideration one > way > or the other with what I had to say about allowing > people their opinions. I guess there are some > people > on this list who feel their opinions are the only > opinions that matter and if anyone else disagrees > far > be it for them to say something. If you are telling > me to keep my opinions to myself then unfortunately, > I > have no alternative but to return the sentiment to > you > in kind. I hope that is not the case. > I am not sure where it became okay for members on > this > list to treat each other so rudely and with such > disregard but it really needs to stop. I believe Mr. > Porter owes Tessa an apology. I responded to his > e-mail only because of the way he disregarded > Tessa's > opinion. She is a native Saint. If she found a > comment made about the people of St. Helena > offensive, > I would be willing to consider there might be some > weight to what she is feeling. > > Best wishes > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > --- Reino Bauer wrote: > > > Well Nissa, talking crap and asking for not > > considering it as such may > > work in ND but not on SH or in the rest of the > > world. Keep it to > > yourself and everybody will be satisfied, > including > > yourself. It is not > > a question of free expression but of style. > > > > Reino. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm > mail. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of > storage and industry-leading spam and email virus > protection. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 23:55:47 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Apr 18 23:58:17 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46269C8E.6540.3C4727@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> <46269C8E.6540.3C4727@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <12DAFC4B-01AB-4473-A86B-05C379E2CDD8@earthlink.net> On Apr 18, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Thomas Goodey wrote: > > I don't think a teacher from America has much chance of breaking into > the UK teaching circle, via teaching in St. Helena. I never had the impression that Mr. Kessler had the slightest intention of living or working in the UK. It was a post about work on St. Helena captured his imagination. I think it'd be great fun for him, and a real benefit to Saints and their kids. Americans speak English, too, after a fashion ;-) Best regards, Chris From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 00:13:39 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Thu Apr 19 00:16:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <4626A432.4521.5A1D36@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <46269C8E.6540.3C4727@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, <12DAFC4B-01AB-4473-A86B-05C379E2CDD8@earthlink.net> <4626A432.4521.5A1D36@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Thomas Goodey wrote: > On 18 Apr 2007 at 16:55, Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > >> I never had the impression that Mr. Kessler had the slightest >> intention of living or working in the UK. It was a post about work >> on St. Helena captured his imagination. > > It's effectively the same thing, because SH is a British Overseas > Territory and operates to the same rules and regulations. I'm sure that in applying that will be the case. However, he's not, as it seemed you suggested, looking for a back-door for UK employment in teaching. It'd be interesting to know who actually reviews the applications. If it's done locally, I'm sure the technical requirements will mean less than the desire of the governing authorities. > The UK has its own system and its own ways, and its own curriculum > and its own procedures which have very little to do with actually > teaching anything to the pupils In this case, maybe the systems are closer than you think! In all seriousness, the difficulty of having his qualifications understood or treated on par with UK qualifications was a significant concern I also had about potential US applicants. While I hope it doesn't do him harm, it's a real issue, which is why I raised it in my first post. I shudder to think what would be decided about my own qualifications! Very best regards, Chris From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Apr 19 00:33:25 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Apr 19 00:33:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <4626A432.4521.5A1D36@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, Message-ID: <4626AAC5.19614.73CB30@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 18 Apr 2007 at 17:13, Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > However, he's not, as it seemed you suggested, looking for a > back-door for UK employment in teaching. I am not suggesting that. I am saying that a SH teaching job _is_ effectively a UK teaching job, and the bureaucratic regulations for it will presumably be the same. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com Thu Apr 19 05:24:43 2007 From: BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com (BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 05:25:10 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <4626AAC5.19614.73CB30@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> <4626A432.4521.5A1D36@thomas.flyingkettle.com> <4626AAC5.19614.73CB30@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: "The time has come, the walrus said, to speak of other things, of shoes and ships and sealing wax and cabbages and kings. " ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Goodey Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:45 pm Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena To: list@sthelena.se > On 18 Apr 2007 at 17:13, Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > > > However, he's not, as it seemed you suggested, looking for a > > back-door for UK employment in teaching. > > I am not suggesting that. I am saying that a SH teaching job _is_ > effectively a UK teaching job, and the bureaucratic regulations > for > it will presumably be the same. > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From linsi_art at bluewin.ch Thu Apr 19 09:37:25 2007 From: linsi_art at bluewin.ch (Iris Linsi) Date: Thu Apr 19 09:37:22 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/07e2ba9b/attachment-0001.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:27:54 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:30:48 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Be offended if you wish but also be aware that the standard of written English here is frequently poor. I often receive documents from senior people in important positions containing grammatical errors that I would not expect to find in the homework of an eleven year old. Sometimes the structure is so tortuous it's hard to work out what the writer is trying to say. The fault is not with the people. The need to write English which is reasonably grammatically correct, at least to a sufficient level that the reader can understand it, is not sufficiently stressed here in schools. St. Helena deserves better for it's children, and rather than being offended by someone pointing it out it might be better if we all work towards getting it fixed. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa Boucherot Sent: 18 April 2007 16:28 To: John@BurghHouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/bf17f744/attachment-0001.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:33:56 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:36:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> What Uncle Sam knows about St.?Helena used to be listed on the CIA website. It seems now you have to pay for the information (unless someone has a better link ....), but as I remember it is was outdated and inaccurate. Still it beats the UK Foreign Office website, which list us in the 'Caribbean' section. I can also (with my other hat on) assure you that Bank of St.?Helena makes no declarations to any tax authorities regarding the accounts it holds. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher D. Lewis Sent: 18 April 2007 19:13 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Gregory Kessler wrote: > I got my application today and will have it filled out this > weekend. I am currently a high school librarian in the USA. > Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). Looking at the requirements, but not having looked at the application, it's unclear how US qualifications would be assessed. A- levels? And how many Americans are considered qualified in "geography" to the standards of anyone outside the States? You bring up a significant barrier: the wife's permission could be a problem if she is in the habit of visiting family. Remember, Uncle Sam wants tax paid on citizens' worldwide income. Of course, the IRS may not know where St. Helena is, or whether it's near a war zone. Unscrupulous filers might try for a combat pay exemption. I would assume the UK tax treaty with the US allows for credit for tax paid to St. Helena as if it were paid to the UK, so you should not be taxed twice, at any rate. Good luck! Very best regards, Chris The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:37:36 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:40:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C9500180693E90-115C-340B@WEBMAIL-RC09.sysops.aol.com> <171767.17728.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c7825d$ff51aa60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> In defence of Tessa's right to post her comment, I think it is everyone's right to express an opinion, whatever it may be. It is not up to any of us to censor the opinions of others, even when we disagree with them. If we disagree it is incumbent on us all to post other messages expressing that disagreement. If we start banning people from expressing opinions we don't like we end up with North Korea, Zimbabwe, Cuba, ..... JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: 18 April 2007 19:55 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena If someone is offended by a comment made on this list, they have a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with it or not. We are all adults. I think we are mature enough to allow for others opinions just as freely as we voice our own. A tougher skin doesn't make a wrong right and just because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one else should be. On a positive note, I guess we can all rest assured that you will keep any and all future objections you might have in regard to subject matter discussed on this list tightly concealed under your tough skin. Thank you for that in advance. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Oh brother, > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher skin. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most > St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to > see you post such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if > I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was > compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory > for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach > on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or > Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, > though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to > hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, > being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not > professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and > requirements of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, > though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is > watching the movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on > an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose > visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of > course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the > curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post > to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL > 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in > SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ??30,000 a year!!! > What???s he average salary on the island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 > yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is > available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; > 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's > Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if > anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email > me the main details I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post > to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL > 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the > transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:40:46 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:43:25 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC81B@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <000d01c7825e$6f13e520$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Had he had access to Email Omar might have added "and the whole world will know about it in less than 24 hours". JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 18 April 2007 20:54 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] Teachers > for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:46:28 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:49:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000e01c7825f$3abfc9a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> At this risk of courting more objections, I'd like to point out that the version of History taught here seems to be overly UK-centred for a place that is closer to Africa than anywhere else. I think a little more non-UK history would be helpful, though I would draw the line at "Hollywood History" (U-571, etc.) JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher D. Lewis Sent: 18 April 2007 21:04 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:56 PM, cplowe@mchsi.com wrote: > I think I would work on convincing the wife first He's got that licked, he says; the next obstacle is whoever will compare his application to those of people whose credentials they already comprehend. I look forward to word of my countryman's success. Though I suspect some foreigners may shudder to imagine history as taught by one of us! All the best, Chris The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 10:52:47 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 10:55:24 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000a01c781ff$da86a810$6400a8c0@main> References: <200704182109.l3IL90GG015030@mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au> <000a01c781ff$da86a810$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <000f01c78260$1c5c97d0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Building on Larry's email, St.?Helena does exhibit some interesting social characteristics. For example, elsewhere in the world, if you get divorced one of you usually moves away. I haven't had any contact with my first wife since the late 1990s. Here they can't move more than 20 miles, so people are much better at dealing with their 'ex' than I have ever seen anywhere else. It is also amazing how people can be at war in business from 8 until 4 and then be found drinking happily together in Donny's on a Friday night. And yet, some family feuds have been going on for generations. It's strange. I don't know if any social scientists have ever studied this but if they have and someone can point me to the report I'd like to read it. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: 18 April 2007 21:24 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Gee, What would be like if everyone on this list suddenly found themselves living on a small, isolated South Atlantic Island, where they had to live with each other day after day, week after week, year after year? Larry The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 11:01:47 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 11:04:18 2007 Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC86F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <46269392.10877.192C65@thomas.flyingkettle.com> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC86F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <001001c78261$5e0f2d40$2d0b000a@shgbank45> In case it is not yet clear, although my comment was light-hearted in nature, the message was serious. It was not a joke. Would I have written it in the Independent? No. I'll explain why. I wouldn't have posted it in the Independent, in the form I posted it here, for two reasons: 1: out of context it makes no sense. I would have needed to turn it into an article. I may do so. It is an issue that concerns me, both as a parent of school-age children and as one who believes in the future of the island. I hate to quote Tony Blair but he was the one who said that the top three priorities were "1:Education; 2:Education and 3:Education". 2: People on island often get confused as to whether things I write are the opinion of John Turner or the opinion of Bank of St.?Helena. I hope the list members are entirely clear that my views on education are entirely personal; the bank has no official opinion on anything we have been discussing. There are many islanders on this list (most of them just read - they do not post) and I believe that includes both media groups. I would not have posted it if I wasn't prepared to stand by it. But it remains my personal view and I would not want anyone to misunderstand that. John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa Boucherot Sent: 18 April 2007 21:24 To: thomas@flyingkettle.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I recalled a repeated message. I am having a little trouble posting to the list. Those are indeed very wise words from Omar Khayyam. I have one more thing to add regarding John Turner's comments: Would he have written those same comments to the St. Helena Independent? Would a local audience, St. Helenians, see this as a joke? I think not! Tessa Boucherot -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:54 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Recall: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 18 Apr 2007 at 13:04, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > Tessa Boucherot would like to recall the message, "[STHELENA] Teachers > for St. Helena". The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it -- Omar Khayyam Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Apr 19 11:04:22 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Apr 19 11:04:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? In-Reply-To: <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: , , <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 19 Apr 2007 at 8:33, John Turner wrote: > I can also (with my other hat on) assure you that Bank of St. Helena > makes no declarations to any tax authorities regarding the accounts it > holds. Since a new UK ruling compells all banks in UK offshore territories to disclose details of accounts held by UK residents to the UK tax authorities, I question the accuracy of this assurance. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6568027.stm Perhaps you would like to rephrase your hatted utterance, John? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From john at burghhouse.com Thu Apr 19 11:30:01 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 11:38:21 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? In-Reply-To: <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: , , <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <001101c78265$51691f20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Thomas, Apparently the UK order enacting the EU directive lists the territories to which it applies, and St.?Helena is not one of them. My predecessor took legal advice and the conclusion was that St.?Helena is therefore not required to implement it, and so has not done so. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 19 April 2007 09:04 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? On 19 Apr 2007 at 8:33, John Turner wrote: > I can also (with my other hat on) assure you that Bank of St. Helena > makes no declarations to any tax authorities regarding the accounts it > holds. Since a new UK ruling compells all banks in UK offshore territories to disclose details of accounts held by UK residents to the UK tax authorities, I question the accuracy of this assurance. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6568027.stm Perhaps you would like to rephrase your hatted utterance, John? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 12:02:12 2007 From: dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com (Dawn Waters) Date: Thu Apr 19 12:02:50 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gregory I wish you all the best with your application. I'm sure that a well qualfied person like yourself would be of enormous benefit to the students on the island. Regards Dawn Hants UK (a Saints daughter) >From: "Gregory Kessler" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: list@sthelena.se >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:10:58 -0500 > > > > > > > > >I am wondering about how my qualifications match up with the UK. I have a >degree in history.  I have taught geography, government, and world >history.  I have developed curriculum for english, lit. and grammar classes >and I have two years of library grad school.  In the letter that came with >the application it talked about the social problems on the island with >families being separated.  I have a lot of experience doing in home >instruction for troubled kids.  So I guess we will see.  I actually got the >thumbs up from my wife this afternoon, although that could change.  We will >see.  > > > > > > >From:  Nissa Nystrom >Reply-To:  "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To:  "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject:  Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >Date:  Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) > >Wow Chris, it almost sounded like you were trying to > >talk Gregory out of even applying.  Do you have > >anything positive to say about the possibility of > >Gregory working and living on St. Helena? > > > >Nissa > >Fargo, ND USA > > > > > >--- "Christopher D. Lewis" > >wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Gregory Kessler >wrote: > > > > > > > I got my application today and will have it filled > > > out this > > > > weekend.  I am currently a high school librarian > > > in the USA. > > > > Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my > > > wife). > > > > > > Looking at the requirements, but not having looked > > > at the > > > application, it's unclear how US qualifications > > > would be assessed.  A- > > > levels?  And how many Americans are considered > > > qualified in > > > "geography" to the standards of anyone outside the > > > States? > > > > > > You bring up a significant barrier:  the wife's > > > permission could be a > > > problem if she is in the habit of visiting family. > > > > > > >Remember, Uncle Sam wants tax paid on citizens' > > > worldwide income.  Of > > > course, the IRS may not know where St. Helena is, or > > > whether it's > > > near a war zone.  Unscrupulous filers might try for > > > a combat pay > > > exemption.  I would assume the UK tax treaty with > > > the US allows for > > > credit for tax paid to St. Helena as if it were paid > > > to the UK, so > > > you should not be taxed twice, at any rate. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > Very best regards, > > > Chris > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >The S:t Helena Mailing List > >To unsubscribe please send a email to: > >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate >new payment > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Apr 19 12:05:34 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Apr 19 12:06:06 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? In-Reply-To: <001101c78265$51691f20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: , <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, <001101c78265$51691f20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46274CFE.1264.E1DC9E@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 19 Apr 2007 at 9:30, John Turner wrote: > Apparently the UK order enacting the EU directive lists the > territories to which it applies, and St. Helena is not one of > them. > My predecessor took legal advice and the conclusion was that St. > Helena is therefore not required to implement it, and so has not > done so. And can you guarantee that this situation will persist into the far future? Especially if Osama BL opens a bank account? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From thomas at flyingkettle.com Thu Apr 19 12:05:34 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Thu Apr 19 12:06:08 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45>, <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com>, <000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46274CFE.31105.E1DC40@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 19 Apr 2007 at 8:27, John Turner wrote: > The need to write English which is reasonably grammatically > correct, at least to a sufficient level that the reader can > understand it, is not sufficiently stressed here in > schools.....St. Helena deserves better for it's children.... Ahem! The Hubris Monster strikes! And why does St. Helena deserve better, anyway? What in particular has SH done to deserve better, than it has actually got? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From john at burghhouse.com Thu Apr 19 12:41:00 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 12:43:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? In-Reply-To: <46274CFE.1264.E1DC9E@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: , <46273EA6.21405.A9D54B@thomas.flyingkettle.com>, <001101c78265$51691f20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <46274CFE.1264.E1DC9E@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <002101c7826f$3bfb3c90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Thomas, You are confusing two things. The declarations under the European Savings Directive are intended to prevent people avoiding tax on investment interest, not to control money laundering. There are other international agreements on money laundering, to which the Bank of St.?Helena adheres. The BBC news story which you quoted and which started this thread (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6568027.stm) is about the European Savings Directive. And, for the avoidance of doubt, Bank of St.?Helena advises its customers to declare the interest they earn to all relevant tax authorities. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 19 April 2007 10:06 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena banking secrecy? On 19 Apr 2007 at 9:30, John Turner wrote: > Apparently the UK order enacting the EU directive lists the > territories to which it applies, and St. Helena is not one of them. > My predecessor took legal advice and the conclusion was that St. > Helena is therefore not required to implement it, and so has not done > so. And can you guarantee that this situation will persist into the far future? Especially if Osama BL opens a bank account? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From charles at bittervrug.co.za Thu Apr 19 13:03:46 2007 From: charles at bittervrug.co.za (Charles) Date: Thu Apr 19 13:05:58 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <46274CFE.31105.E1DC40@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <5iv06b$jg8ce@mail-04.jhb.wbs.co.za> I think children everywhere deserves everything the people around them can give them, I don't think children have to do anything to deserve anything, I think we have to give them the best we can, always, everywhere. Children are non political. Charles Badenhorst -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thomas Goodey Sent: 19 April 2007 12:06 PM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 19 Apr 2007 at 8:27, John Turner wrote: > The need to write English which is reasonably grammatically > correct, at least to a sufficient level that the reader can > understand it, is not sufficiently stressed here in > schools.....St. Helena deserves better for it's children.... Ahem! The Hubris Monster strikes! And why does St. Helena deserve better, anyway? What in particular has SH done to deserve better, than it has actually got? Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 2007/03/27 04:38 PM From prporter1 at aim.com Thu Apr 19 14:23:17 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 14:23:55 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Message-ID: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> Iris, Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. -----Original Message----- From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Nicknamed the "CrackBerry" by users hooked on being connected, the pocket-sized gadget's outage led to lost business deals for some, missed appointments for others and even a hiccup or two in the halls of government. (more: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070418/tod-uk-rim-blackberry-users-b7e5c6f.h tml). It reminded me of the short science fiction story by E. M. Forster whose title I borrowed for this email (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops if you don't know the story; better still - get a copy and read it). I would have used it as an 'And Finally ...' story but as most people here can't ever have been a mobile 'phone addict I didn't think it would work. (I confess; I was an addict: it's been two years and nearly three months since I last took a call). 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/38777004/attachment.htm From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Thu Apr 19 15:45:28 2007 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Thu Apr 19 15:45:36 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000501c7825d$874cb870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <46277278.7010208@inhouse.co.uk> John Turner wrote: > What Uncle Sam knows about St. Helena used to be listed on the CIA website. > It seems now you have to pay for the information (unless someone has a > better link ....), but as I remember it is was outdated and inaccurate. Still free in the CIA World Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sh.html Steve From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 16:06:43 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Apr 19 16:27:44 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000601c7825d$ff51aa60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <761074.40003.qm@web54512.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for having the the decency to say that John even though Tessa took issue with a something you posted. It is nice to know there are just, reasonable and sane people on this list to counteract the few insufferable. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- John Turner wrote: > In defence of Tessa's right to post her comment, I > think it is everyone's right to express an opinion, > whatever it may be. It is not up to any of us to > censor the opinions of others, even when we disagree > with them. If we disagree it is incumbent on us all > to post other messages expressing that disagreement. > > If we start banning people from expressing opinions > we don't like we end up with North Korea, Zimbabwe, > Cuba, ..... > > JT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa > Nystrom > Sent: 18 April 2007 19:55 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > If someone is offended by a comment made on this > list, they have a right to voice their opinion > whether you agree with it or not. We are all > adults. I think we are mature enough to allow for > others opinions just as freely as we voice our own. > A tougher skin doesn't make a wrong right and just > because you weren't offended doesn't mean no one > else should be. On a positive note, I guess we can > all rest assured that you will keep any and all > future objections you might have in regard to > subject matter discussed on this list tightly > concealed under your tough skin. Thank you for that > in advance. > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > > > Oh brother, > > > > Here we go with someone being offended. Get > tougher skin. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com > > To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! > I feel certain most > > St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes > > about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I > am disappointed to > > see you post such a comment. > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > John Turner > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)' > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given > > that most people speak Saint. Though having heard > the Announcements > > being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach > English either. > > > > JT > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > Rich Perkins > > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if > > I understand it correctly, St. > > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was > > compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign > language was compulsory > > for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign > language do they teach > > on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or > > Russian speakers... > > > > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w > = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 > = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > > xmlns:ns0 = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > Giuliano, > > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian Seriously, > > though, I think Italian is a beautiful language > and I always prefer to > > hear Italian operas sung in the native language > (and, perhaps for the > > same reason, do not like German operas). > > > > Of course, my personal views on Education here > count for very little, > > being only a parent of school-age children and > therefore not > > professionally qualified to know anything about > the welfare and > > requirements of my children. > > > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, > > though I must confess that the nearest they > normally get to Italian is > > watching the movie The Italian Job. > > > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on > > an island that receives many French visitors, or > German, whose > > visitors make up most of the balance of the > non-English speaking > > visitors (unless you count Americans as > non-English speaking, of > > course). > > > > That being the case, I think the chances of > getting Italian onto the > > curriculum are about as good as us getting an > Airport by next Friday. > > > > Sad, but true. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post > > to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, > South Atlantic, STHL > > 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are > > confidential, meant solely for the intended > recipient of the > > transmission, and may be a communication > privileged by law. Access to > > this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you > received this > > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, > > use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this > communication or any > > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly > > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this > > communication in error, please notify the author > by reply and then > > kindly delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 16:54:58 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Apr 19 16:55:28 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <113034.50106.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think we've identified the token bully among us. You must be proud. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Iris, > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > and sing Cum Baya. > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Hi Tessa - > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > annoyed by John's comment ! > Iris Linsi-Thomas > Switzerland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tessa Boucherot > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The > Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > children and therefore not professionally qualified > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on an island that receives many > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > ??30,000 a year!!! What???s he average salary on the > island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > scan and email it or just email me the main details > I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Thu Apr 19 17:54:00 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Thu Apr 19 17:54:29 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, and feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your concern for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those concerns are also very valid. Tessa Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Iris, Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. -----Original Message----- From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The same would be true for the regional speach patterns and accents from Maine, Massachusettes, New York, Georgia, Texas, etc. Living on an island, even if it is not as remote as St. Helena, one tends to speak the vernacular as it evolves in the confines of the island. On some small islands off the East Coast of the US, but very close to land, there are languages spoken today that are a mix of English and African languages tracing their presence back to the slave trade that ended in the 1800's. Islands are indeed interesting for more than their geography. Marty Welfeld >From Florida, the land of "Y'all". ----Original Message Follows---- From: Nissa Nystrom Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) I think we've identified the token bully among us. You must be proud. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Iris, > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > and sing Cum Baya. > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Hi Tessa - > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > annoyed by John's comment ! > Iris Linsi-Thomas > Switzerland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tessa Boucherot > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The > Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > children and therefore not professionally qualified > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > which is a shame on an island that receives many > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > £30,000 a year!!! What’s he average salary on the > island John – is it up to £6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers to come to St. Helena. > The supplement is apparently not available on the > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > scan and email it or just email me the main details > I'd be most grateful. > Regards, > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 19 18:15:38 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 19 18:18:09 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <000501c7829d$f963eba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Tessa, Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; s/he can defend him/herself). If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than the currently poor education system the island suffers. This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the look of can only lead to disaster. Cheers. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa Boucherot Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, and feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your concern for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those concerns are also very valid. Tessa Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Iris, Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. -----Original Message----- From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ________________________________ __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 18:51:28 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Thu Apr 19 18:53:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] History, Culture, and St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000e01c7825f$3abfc9a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> <59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net> <000e01c7825f$3abfc9a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <0B2FA589-CC03-4F2B-AFCE-912C27C511B1@earthlink.net> On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:46 AM, John Turner wrote: > At this risk of courting more objections, I'd like to point out > that the > version of History taught here seems to be overly UK-centred for a > place > that is closer to Africa than anywhere else. My sister spent a summer in Mexico to get experience with intensive Spanish, and was very surprised to learn that Mexicans were taught that the United States had suffered a long plague of repeated civil wars. Amazing what perspectives one can find. > I think a little more non-UK history would be helpful, though I > would draw > the line at "Hollywood History" (U-571, etc.) Everybody seems to have their pets in history. When I was taught as a child, I kept reading about the Greeks, the Romans, and so on. The big leap to the Iron Age. Mesopotamia and the Sumerians, and irrigation. To learn about Asia I had to take an elective my senior year of the school that in the US comes right before you go to University. Texas has a curriculum requirement that 8th graders study a year of Texas history, which is entertaining and may be perspective-building (you can in fact win a war in full retreat while losing every battle save the final one), but has modest current application other than feeding a sort of local nationalist pride we cultivate here as a staple crop. My major course of study at Duke University was History, and I took a seminar on the origins of terrorism. I graduated in '95, after the first (largely failed) WTC bombing. When the fall of 2001 came, it was interesting to hear newscasters report the plane attacks were the first terrorist attack on US soil, which was the exact same line of baloney they'd spouted the last time the World Trade Center was attacked by the same exact same organization -- and the claim had been wrong even then. (The Weathermen were a Vietnam-era example, but without having to back up that far there have been women's clinic bombings and shootings since the '80s, as a "political" move against persons providing or seeking abortion.) By 2001 it wasn't even the first foreign-based terrorist attack in the US. History isn't a strong suit even for purported news outlets, much less in Hollywood. A recent Hollywood adaptation of a Shakespearean tale by a filmmaker respectful of the original faced a request to "fix" the ending so audiences would leave theaters happier. The filmmaker looked at the studio exec, aghast. It's Shakespeare. He said when interviewed, though, that if he hadn't been able to invoke the name Shakespeare (in other words, if it had just been mere history, or even a run-of- the-mill bestseller), he wouldn't have had a leg to stand on: the execs could claim they knew what would sell. Shakespeare, however, has credentials even older than the execs at reliably filling theaters, so the filmmaker had some real authority to back him up. A strong record for ticket sales is much better than mere truth in the entertainment industry. > What Uncle Sam knows about St. Helena used to be listed on the CIA > website. > It seems now you have to pay for the information (unless someone has a > better link ....), but as I remember it is was outdated and > inaccurate. > Still it beats the UK Foreign Office website, which list us in the > 'Caribbean' section. Very nice! St. Helena has an entry on this table , and in its description here , the CIA credits the UK with a nineteenth- century anti-slavery patrol. The secret to finding St. Helena on the CIA world factbook site is that the CIA spells out "Saint Helena" when it alphabetizes the country list. Of note to Mr. Kessler: the CIA estimates 2007 immigration to St. Helena at 0. Here's hoping you prove them wrong! > It is also amazing how people can be at war in business from 8 > until 4 and > then be found drinking happily together in Donny's on a Friday night. > > And yet, some family feuds have been going on for generations. It's > strange. > > I don't know if any social scientists have ever studied this but if > they > have and someone can point me to the report I'd like to read it. This actually reminds me of law. You can spend all day trying to rend someone's throat over a case, but the minute the case isn't at issue, all's well. In some states (with less effective ethical oversight) this might not be true, but in Texas I've come to rely on the good word of opposing counsel as if it were a bank-issued draft. They may want your client's head, but they'll not lie to you to save their case. And they will quickly put in writing anything the local rules require be in writing to enforce, and even suggest it if you don't bring it up. I understand this may not be your experience if you practice in New Jersey or New York or Illinois; where one gets away with poor behavior, it is thought to pay. Treating the agents of your clients' loathsome enemies like they are good people and to be respected is really the way things run here. It was a real shock, I can tell you, when I got into the business. I think the reason we (lawyers) treat each other respectfully in Texas is similar to the reason people have learned to get along in St. Helena: necessity. In St. Helena, you can't avoid your competitors and you make the best of it. In Texas, if we're going to practice before the same judges and be subject to the same oversight, there's a strong incentive toward civil behavior (besides, the next time you need something they have the power to withhold, it'll help that you agreed to their last request). This isn't an ad for the character of lawyers: you go to Florida or Illinois where the rules appear to be less seriously enforced, and the quality of your interactions with local members of the bar goes straight into the toilet. In a way, I think it's related to anonymity. If you believe you aren't known and that your conduct will go unnoticed, you may be tempted to do things you would not want brought back to you for explanation. In Pleak, Texas everybody was civil: they knew your name and could recite the names of your family, and you didn't need to follow them to see where they lived. When your horse got free and was found eating someone's rose bushes, they knew who to call and at what number, because they recognized the horse. In the big city ... good Lord. In large cities you're always at risk because people think they will get away with things unnoticed. Even so, folks who visit Houston often remark that the drivers (who in my view are certifiable maniacs) are polite and give room to enter traffic and change lanes; and strangers hold open the doors when your arms are full. So atop the crowdedness and anonymity issues, there are some cultural differences that separate Houston from Miami or New York -- and St. Helena from places you have in mind as a reference. There's no question kids deserve to be trained to express themselves clearly enough to be understood. The problems that result merely from lack of comprehension are great enough we need not compound them by hamstringing the next generation's ability to be understood. Whether the Bank would report on Osama's account is irrelevant: he hasn't got sufficient connection to St. Helena to open an account under the Bank's rules. Besides, if he showed up to open the account, someone would probably decide the $25m bounty was more important than their job and make the Bank's own reporting policy moot. Given how reviled he is, few would consider the breaching his confidence a genuine evil. Who knows, someone might be awarded a medal. I'm just wondering how long he could stand about in SA waiting for the RMS before someone would notice him and his fat bag of cash. My friends from SA keep telling me walking about with lots of cash isn't safe. OBL might do himself in just attempting transit. Finally: I think we've demonstrated this can be a high-volume list. The next question is what should be done to keep it running, in light of the overhead faced by the list moderator. I've seen some lists migrate to a Google service, which is free, though I doubt the domain name could be kept with such a solution. Very best regards, Chris From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 19:03:53 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Apr 19 19:04:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000501c7829d$f963eba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <722972.76914.qm@web54513.mail.yahoo.com> Amen! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- John Turner wrote: > Tessa, > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no > comment on the other bit; > s/he can defend him/herself). > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I > would never have > explained it, so you would have been fuming in > silence about an apparent > slur, and many more might have thought I was > condemning Saints rather than > the currently poor education system the island > suffers. > > This is a case in point for why it is good to > register objections when you > see something you don't like, and why banning things > we don't like the look > of can only lead to disaster. > > Cheers. > JT > > > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Tessa Boucherot > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as > your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your > responses! I do believe in, and > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. > Helena, and your concern > for the current system of education on St. Helena. > I believe those concerns > are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > annoyed by John's comment ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - > The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > ________________________________ > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information > __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cplowe at mchsi.com Thu Apr 19 21:10:14 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 21:10:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <041920071910.5381.4627BE9600079A8100001505219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> I think there are some who work in linguistics who refer to these regional accents as "speaking with restricted code" I think that the accent on St Helena as well as what is spoken in Barbados or in the south of the US for example might be what would be typical of this restricted code. I am not sure I recall what it means but it does seems to suggest that the regional accents are somehow less authentic. Not sure I agree and hope not to offend Pam > Here's a question for Tessa and all other resident Saints on the List. If > you can put aside the issue of whether or not you find John's post > offensive, what do you think of his point about language as taught -vs- as > spoken? > > Here in the US, regional dialects and accents can be quite pronounced and > sometimes, even though we all live in the same country and speak the same > language, communication suffers. > > For example, if Nissa is a native of North Dakota, she probably speaks with > an accent and rythm that would identify her as living in North Dakota. > Offensive? No, just factual. The same would be true for the regional speach > patterns and accents from Maine, Massachusettes, New York, Georgia, Texas, > etc. > > Living on an island, even if it is not as remote as St. Helena, one tends to > speak the vernacular as it evolves in the confines of the island. On some > small islands off the East Coast of the US, but very close to land, there > are languages spoken today that are a mix of English and African languages > tracing their presence back to the slave trade that ended in the 1800's. > > Islands are indeed interesting for more than their geography. > > Marty Welfeld > >From Florida, the land of "Y'all". > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Nissa Nystrom > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) > > I think we've identified the token bully among us. > You must be proud. > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > > and sing Cum Baya. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > > annoyed by John's comment ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The > > Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > > such a comment. > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > > Turner > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a > > foreign language, given that most people speak > > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > > either. > > > > JT > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > > Perkins > > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > > xmlns:ns0 = > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > Giuliano, > > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > > Italian > > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > > same reason, do not like German operas). > > > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > > children and therefore not professionally qualified > > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > > of my children. > > > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > > movie The Italian Job. > > > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > > which is a shame on an island that receives many > > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > > speaking, of course). > > > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > > > Sad, but true. > > > > Regards, > > > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > > communication in error or are not the intended > > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > > distribution, copying of this communication or any > > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > > you have received this communication in error, > > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > > giuliano tordini > > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > > italian teacher in SH? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry Herbert > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > £30,000 a year!!! What’s he average salary on the > > island John – is it up to £6,000 yet do you > > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > > Australia > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > > Schulenburg > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > The advert is available online at > > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > > Regards, > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Turner > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > > teachers to come to St. Helena. > > The supplement is apparently not available on the > > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > > scan and email it or just email me the main details > > I'd be most grateful. > > Regards, > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > > attachments > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From csmatthews at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 19 21:01:13 2007 From: csmatthews at ntlworld.com (csmatthews@ntlworld.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 21:11:26 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Teachers for St Helena Message-ID: <20070419190117.NWAB17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> I was in St Helena for a few months in the early 90s. Firstly, not only did I find the Saints unfailingly charming and polite I found it easier to understand them than they found it to understand me! Like others who have posted I found it much easier to follow Saint English than a great many UK 'dialects'. I visited the schools and appreciate the educational problems. Junior schools were outstanding and characterised by highly professional teachers and a wonderful head teacher. Unfortunately the secondary school, despite similarly highly professional staff, struggled to retain personnel and this could often lead to difficulties for pupils requiring support over the duration of a course. To anyone thinking of going there - DO IT. I was very sad when my 'tour of duty' came to an end and it was a wrench to have to go.......... but one day I hope to return Clive Matthews > From: list-request@sthelena.se > Date: 2007/04/19 Thu PM 04:54:53 BST > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 40 > > Send List mailing list submissions to > list@sthelena.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > list-request@sthelena.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > list-owner@sthelena.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Teachers for St. Helena (Tessa Boucherot) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:54:00 -0700 > From: "Tessa Boucherot" > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" > > Message-ID: > <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > and feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > concern for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe > those concerns are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's > comment ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in > the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > ________________________________ > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/c3083d2f/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list > List@sthelena.se > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > > End of List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 40 > ************************************ > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From neon_dream at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:42:16 2007 From: neon_dream at hotmail.com (Neon Dream) Date: Thu Apr 19 22:42:59 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale Message-ID: I understand that this week's St Helena Herald contains both clarification and an emphatic denial on the subject of Prince's Lodge from Robin Castell himself. See www.news.co.sh for further information. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From neon_dream at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 22:44:21 2007 From: neon_dream at hotmail.com (Neon Dream) Date: Thu Apr 19 22:44:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: I understand that this week's St Helena Herald contains details of how this subject is viewed on the Island itself. See www.news.co.sh for further information. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From neon_dream at hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 23:03:51 2007 From: neon_dream at hotmail.com (Neon Dream) Date: Thu Apr 19 23:04:22 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English Message-ID: A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From ccprp at planet.nl Fri Apr 20 01:41:00 2007 From: ccprp at planet.nl (Rolf Weijburg) Date: Fri Apr 20 01:40:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English References: Message-ID: <000501c782dc$2f65b880$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> Now, please...It's like Saint Helena is Mohamed and Mister Turner is a Danish cartoonist. This is getting cartoonisque. No need to shout and start throwing stones. Cool down. Tolerate. Be flexible and try to enrich with other's ideas rather than built walls of incomprehension. Shall we get back to STH ? Rolf Weijburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neon Dream" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] English >A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the >Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, >political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: > > The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English > than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best > described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon > English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings > inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). > > Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of > the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English > literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St > Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local > oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From jrnixon at canl.nc Fri Apr 20 01:40:30 2007 From: jrnixon at canl.nc (John Nixon) Date: Fri Apr 20 01:41:06 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <8C95094A4F68F92-460-9279@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com><7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <000501c7829d$f963eba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <004b01c782dc$1da33640$0301a8c0@NixonTecra> Good on you John, You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. John Nixon New Caledonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Tessa, > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; > s/he can defend him/herself). > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > look > of can only lead to disaster. > > Cheers. > JT > > > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Tessa Boucherot > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > and > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > concern > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > concerns > are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment > ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > ________________________________ > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 02:27:46 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 02:28:31 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <004b01c782dc$1da33640$0301a8c0@NixonTecra> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE05@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Hello John, New Caledonia! My husband spent a big part of his childhood living in Noumea, New Caledonia. How close the internet brings us all! Tessa Boucherot -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Nixon Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Good on you John, You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. John Nixon New Caledonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Tessa, > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; > s/he can defend him/herself). > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > look > of can only lead to disaster. > > Cheers. > JT > > > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Tessa Boucherot > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > and > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > concern > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > concerns > are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment > ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > ________________________________ > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 02:58:10 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 02:58:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English In-Reply-To: <000501c782dc$2f65b880$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE19@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> This is discussion, discourse. This is not 'shouting' or 'throwing stones', or at least it is fairly obvious who those shouting and throwing stones are. Let's also remember that it is impossible to "hear" tone of voice and intention in an email. You say, "shall we get back to STH", - "Neon Dreams'" comment was entirely about St. Helena and the subject matter at hand, "St. Helenian English", and very interesting I thought. I'll have to pick up The Canterbury Tales again. "Mr. Turner", John, as we usually call him here, is an English Banker! No one will mistake him for a Danish cartoonist. :-) (That's a smile if it doesn't translate in the post) Let's return to civility shall we? The sun is shining here in Portland after ages of rain.......Hooray for spring! Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rolf Weijburg Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] English Now, please...It's like Saint Helena is Mohamed and Mister Turner is a Danish cartoonist. This is getting cartoonisque. No need to shout and start throwing stones. Cool down. Tolerate. Be flexible and try to enrich with other's ideas rather than built walls of incomprehension. Shall we get back to STH ? Rolf Weijburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neon Dream" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] English >A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the >Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, >political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: > > The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English > than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best > described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon > English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings > inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). > > Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of > the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English > literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St > Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local > oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/41745f44/attachment.htm From jrnixon at canl.nc Fri Apr 20 03:08:14 2007 From: jrnixon at canl.nc (John Nixon) Date: Fri Apr 20 03:08:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE05@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> References: <004b01c782dc$1da33640$0301a8c0@NixonTecra> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE05@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: Bonjour Tessa, I don't remember meeting any Boucherots in Noumea. I arrived from Australia in 1962. My wife's maiden name is Colardeau, 4th generation now. John N. On 20/04/07, Tessa Boucherot wrote: > > Hello John, > > New Caledonia! My husband spent a big part of his childhood living in > Noumea, New Caledonia. How close the internet brings us all! > > Tessa Boucherot > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf Of John Nixon > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM > To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Good on you John, > > You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. > > John Nixon > New Caledonia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Turner" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Tessa, > > > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other > bit; > > s/he can defend him/herself). > > > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an > apparent > > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather > than > > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when > you > > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > > > look > > of can only lead to disaster. > > > > Cheers. > > JT > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf > > Of Tessa Boucherot > > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe > in, > > and > > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > > concern > > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > > concerns > > are also very valid. > > > > > > > > Tessa > > > > > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf > > Of prporter1@aim.com > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > Iris, > > > > > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum > Baya. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Hi Tessa - > > > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's > comment > > ! > > > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > > > Switzerland > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > > South Atlantic(Eng) > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/9eb0ab59/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 03:13:02 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 03:13:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE23@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Bonjour John! :-) The Boucherots lived there in the late seventies and early eighties when they moved back to France. I'll ask if they're familiar with the name Colardeau. Best wishes, Tessa Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Nixon Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:08 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Bonjour Tessa, I don't remember meeting any Boucherots in Noumea. I arrived from Australia in 1962. My wife's maiden name is Colardeau, 4th generation now. John N. On 20/04/07, Tessa Boucherot wrote: Hello John, New Caledonia! My husband spent a big part of his childhood living in Noumea, New Caledonia. How close the internet brings us all! Tessa Boucherot -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Nixon Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:41 PM To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Good on you John, You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. John Nixon New Caledonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Tessa, > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; > s/he can defend him/herself). > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > look > of can only lead to disaster. > > Cheers. > JT > > > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Tessa Boucherot > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > and > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > concern > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > concerns > are also very valid. > > > > Tessa > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf > Of prporter1@aim.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Iris, > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Hi Tessa - > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment > ! > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > Switzerland > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > ________________________________ > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/76696d53/attachment.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Fri Apr 20 03:22:42 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Fri Apr 20 03:23:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <8C9510186DA4A07-1064-D039@webmail-md19.sysops.aol.com> No, certainly more than 12. Just tired of the same old rant of people whining about being offended. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/ac9d50bf/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Fri Apr 20 10:23:39 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:26:28 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c78325$3aa41950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Dear Neon Dream, I bow to your obvious expertise in this area. I have not studied St.?Helena, as you have; I merely live and work here, trying to help the island's people get their economy to its feet. Sadly, while I'm sure having the island speaking "Chaucerian (or Middle) English" is of great interest in academic circles, I don't think it's much use for trying to communicate in the real word, where the rest of us live. :-) JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Neon Dream Sent: 19 April 2007 21:04 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] English A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From takkies at mighty.co.za Thu Apr 19 13:01:52 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:51:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Message-ID: <000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> Oh come on guys, (or is that being too sexist now???), I know exactly what John T was trying to say! I'm a 46 yr old white male who was born and raised in the heart of Zululand and doesn't have any issue surrounding the way we twist our tongue to get the message across... no, I'm not talking about the "French kiss" (Gawd, why they had to get the credit for that only Napoleon knows!). Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language, but nevertheless, I lay no claim to always speaking it properly - why?, simply because I love the idiosyncrasies it presents when conveyed from another's mother-tongue or when conversing with it to make sense of the situation! To give an example, if John was a typical black "Johannes" from South Africa (and yes, we do tend to generalize a lot here since it covers for the polarized pain we been through), he would have sounded like this; "Ee-rownd ear, Inglish iss probably consi-deed a forin lungwish, giveen thut mo-st peepil spik Sah-int. Tho havin herd (not goats), tha annowns-mints bin red on tha ray-dio, aim not shoor day tish Inglish aythir...(darn, my Zulu/English accent isn't as good as it used to be!) The fact is that "English" will always sound different when spoken by anyone "foreign to the crown". I mean, there is "always" going to be an accent imposed on it by that person's mother-tongue (along with the dialect in their area)... and sometimes, to be truthful, it sounds very funny at the time (dare I mention comedian Billy Connelly as an example?). Gosh, even the "English" news broadcasts here in S.A. sometimes sound funny because of the pronunciations spoken by a person who's mother-tongue differs from mine... but it's getting better. Tessa, Iris, (and any others who feel the same), I sincerely don't think John intentionally sort to offend anyone - especially born and bred Helentas... because any comments from you guys play a significant role towards our interest in being here in the first place. Although it may have appeared that he detoured from the fact this list caters for a miriad of people and spoke openly, just bare in mind that he is actually (still) living on the Island and deals with its nature from his point of view - I think that also holds ground. Furthermore, there are lot's of clues to comments he has made on this list to indicate that his character and demeanor are not formed with malice - and I for one sometimes enjoy his input, though quirky at times. But then again, that's my opinion for the time being. For the most part, I feel this listing holds a wonderful and informative feeling about it - and its nature is governed and fashioned around those who contribute regularly - so, if there is anyone wanting to make an impact that demands attention or change towards attitudes, then speak up! I'm here only for the fantasy of one day living on the Island. Oh my gosh (OMG), since writing this response there has been another six responses - one even including the mention of Bin Laden! Aaaarg! Gawd, when I want to raise a point I sure can spend my time... I think it's time I took a nap... RobG (climactix) PS: I must be honest - I really thought that St.Helena was an only and mainly speaking English-community - would a resident, or ex-pat please enlighten me as to what is actually spoken on the island? Languages have always been a fascination of mine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Linsi To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. -----Original Message----- From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What?s he average salary on the island John ? is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/d598f209/attachment-0001.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Thu Apr 19 13:02:01 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:51:50 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Message-ID: <001101c78272$3108ee60$0200a8c0@dad> Oh come on guys, (or is that being too sexist now???), I know exactly what John T was trying to say! I'm a 46 yr old white male who was born and raised in the heart of Zululand and doesn't have any issue surrounding the way we twist our tongue to get the message across... no, I'm not talking about the "French kiss" (Gawd, why they had to get the credit for that only Napoleon knows!). Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language, but nevertheless, I lay no claim to always speaking it properly - why?, simply because I love the idiosyncrasies it presents when conveyed from another's mother-tongue or when conversing with it to make sense of the situation! To give an example, if John was a typical black "Johannes" from South Africa (and yes, we do tend to generalize a lot here since it covers for the polarized pain we been through), he would have sounded like this; "Ee-rownd ear, Inglish iss probably consi-deed a forin lungwish, giveen thut mo-st peepil spik Sah-int. Tho havin herd (not goats), tha annowns-mints bin red on tha ray-dio, aim not shoor day tish Inglish aythir...(darn, my Zulu/English accent isn't as good as it used to be!) The fact is that "English" will always sound different when spoken by anyone "foreign to the crown". I mean, there is "always" going to be an accent imposed on it by that person's mother-tongue (along with the dialect in their area)... and sometimes, to be truthful, it sounds very funny at the time (dare I mention comedian Billy Connelly as an example?). Gosh, even the "English" news broadcasts here in S.A. sometimes sound funny because of the pronunciations spoken by a person who's mother-tongue differs from mine... but it's getting better. Tessa, Iris, (and any others who feel the same), I sincerely don't think John intentionally sort to offend anyone - especially born and bred Helentas... because any comments from you guys play a significant role towards our interest in being here in the first place. Although it may have appeared that he detoured from the fact this list caters for a miriad of people and spoke openly, just bare in mind that he is actually (still) living on the Island and deals with its nature from his point of view - I think that also holds ground. Furthermore, there are lot's of clues to comments he has made on this list to indicate that his character and demeanor are not formed with malice - and I for one sometimes enjoy his input, though quirky at times. But then again, that's my opinion for the time being. For the most part, I feel this listing holds a wonderful and informative feeling about it - and its nature is governed and fashioned around those who contribute regularly - so, if there is anyone wanting to make an impact that demands attention or change towards attitudes, then speak up! I'm here only for the fantasy of one day living on the Island. Oh my gosh (OMG), since writing this response there has been another six responses - one even including the mention of Bin Laden! Aaaarg! Gawd, when I want to raise a point I sure can spend my time... I think it's time I took a nap... RobG (climactix) PS: I must be honest - I really thought that St.Helena was an only and mainly speaking English-community - would a resident, or ex-pat please enlighten me as to what is actually spoken on the island? Languages have always been a fascination of mine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Linsi To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 2007/04/19 05:32 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/0b59b5ff/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 17:30:30 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:52:14 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC6CA@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment. Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2200 (20070418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/b9a76509/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 20:25:51 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:52:17 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC78F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Hello Gregory, Where in the US are you? I have friends who are Kesslers. I hope you can talk your wife into it. Best, Tessa Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Gregory Kessler Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:10 AM To: list@sthelena.se; John@BurghHouse.com Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I got my application today and will have it filled out this weekend. I am currently a high school librarian in the USA. Living on STH would be a dream (if I convince my wife). ________________________________ From: "Terry Herbert" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: ,"'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:15:21 +1000 That's going a bit far, surely. It is certainly easier to understand Saint than some of the mainland accents, like Glaswegian for example. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2007 9:54 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/54baf791/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 21:31:57 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:52:21 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C9500180693E90-115C-340B@WEBMAIL-RC09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7EB@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> I have tough skin! I am not one to easily take offense. I take offense to John's comments. Or am I no longer allowed to state how I feel? Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:50 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Oh brother, Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher skin. -----Original Message----- From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070418/3c963e4a/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Wed Apr 18 22:35:05 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 10:52:23 2007 Subject: FW: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC837@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> ________________________________ From: Tessa Boucherot Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:32 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I have tough skin! I am not one to easily take offense. I take offense to John's comments. Or is that not allowed? Would John post these remarks in the local paper for example and expect that Saints would respond favorable? Would it be seen as "joking"? Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:50 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Oh brother, Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher skin. -----Original Message----- From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Its page on St Helena features the following gem: LOCAL LAWS AND CUSTOMS [...] It is an offence to wear T-shirts or clothing in public with offensive slogans. http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket%2FXcelerate%2FShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618387189 There is another strange bit of info on that page. See if you can spot it. This is the first I have heard of it. Reagrds, Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/3f1286fe/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Fri Apr 20 14:12:56 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Fri Apr 20 14:13:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice In-Reply-To: <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> Message-ID: <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 20 Apr 2007 at 12:18, A.H. Schulenburg wrote: > There is another strange bit of info on that page. See if you can > spot it. I see: "If you do not have a British passport and do not have medical insurance you will only be allowed to stay for 48 hours." I find this difficult to believe. If true, it rules out more than half of potential tourists. For example, I couldn't visit SH with my wife, because she is a Japanese national. This counterproductive rule (if it really exists) will obviously collapse with the advent of the airport - if that day ever dawns... Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Apr 20 12:50:27 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 20 14:45:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] English References: <000001c78325$3aa41950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <000001c78341$5ab6f0c0$0200a8c0@dad> Hi "Neon Dream" Your contribution has helped towards answering a question I raised earlier - thank you! However, at the outset, despite not having (yet) visited the beautiful island, I must dissagree with you in terms of comparing the language to being "best described as Chaucerian" or "Middle English". That comment reeks of nothing more than utter "BUNG" in my opinion! ("Bung" being a derivation of "dung" - that which 5000 African beetles use feces as a means to incubate and feed upon.) My understanding, coming from a journalistic background, is that the Chauncerian era ended in the 15th Century - which is also supported by contributors to Wikipedia and my personal studies of the English language. Furthermore, for some obscure reason, I am an ardent listener to Saint FM - and that is my only reference to the "slant" of English which is spoken on the Island. So yes, I can understand what John Turner was refering to in his original, "contraversial" comment. But my obvious obsevation to the English spoken on Saint FM is that there isn't a "hot potatoe" in the menu. Get my drift? Is THAT was John T is expecting to hear? I'm not sure, but he definitely made an informed and acceptable decision before taking on the position he currently holds... and THAT doesn't mean he's averse to the accent or dialect spoken on the Island. At the end of the day I believe his comment only came from his own observation as a "foreigner" to the way of the land of St.Helena communicate. What's really important is that the message is being communicated, no matter the "slant". Getit? John, I am by no means indicating any support to your position or ("on the other hat", as you put it), personally, I am simply stating what appears to be the obvious and logical from my perception. I therefore welcome ANY correction or advice from my comment. To put it another way, I'd be more disturbed if I heard an Helenta say "Howzit my bru" (How are things going my brother)... heaven forbid! I hope THAT is not the "Middle English" Neon Dream is referring to? I say, keep the purity of your language in whatever accent you choose!!! Best regards to Mrs. Tungsten, RobG (what happened to good ol' Mrs Tungsten"?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] English > Dear Neon Dream, > > I bow to your obvious expertise in this area. I have not studied > St. Helena, as you have; I merely live and work here, trying to help the > island's people get their economy to its feet. > > Sadly, while I'm sure having the island speaking "Chaucerian (or Middle) > English" is of great interest in academic circles, I don't think it's much > use for trying to communicate in the real word, where the rest of us live. > > :-) > > JT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Neon Dream > Sent: 19 April 2007 21:04 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] English > > A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the > Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, > political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: > > The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English > than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best > described > as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon English > (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings inherited > from > Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). > > Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of > the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English > literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St > Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local > oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 2007/04/19 > 05:32 AM > > From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Apr 20 13:09:16 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 20 14:45:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] odd advice References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com><59270A37-EA69-447F-BE56-B8525F60D5AB@earthlink.net><000e01c7825f$3abfc9a0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><0B2FA589-CC03-4F2B-AFCE-912C27C511B1@earthlink.net> <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> Message-ID: <000101c78341$5afe8110$0200a8c0@dad> Ok, I give up... I've read the words on the page 3 times... nothing seems out of the ordinary to me so far - apart from the threat of terrorism taking place... what am I missing? RobG ----- Original Message ----- From: A.H. Schulenburg To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [STHELENA] odd advice On its website, the UK's Foreign and Commonwealth Office provides advice for travellers to other countries (incl. UK territories). Its page on St Helena features the following gem: LOCAL LAWS AND CUSTOMS [...] It is an offence to wear T-shirts or clothing in public with offensive slogans. http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket%2FXcelerate%2FShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618387189 There is another strange bit of info on that page. See if you can spot it. This is the first I have heard of it. Reagrds, Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 2007/04/19 05:32 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/464a9f22/attachment.htm From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Fri Apr 20 15:16:01 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Fri Apr 20 15:18:26 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice In-Reply-To: <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> On Apr 20, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Goodey wrote: > "If you do not have a British passport and do not have medical > insurance you will only be allowed to stay for 48 hours." > > I find this difficult to believe. If true, it rules out more than > half of potential tourists. For example, I couldn't visit SH with my > wife, because she is a Japanese national. The legal secret in this sentence is the word 'and'. If you possess either British passport or medical insurance, you will not be subject to the 48-hour limit. If your wife is keen to linger at the empty grave of Napoleon, even temporary travel medical insurance will do. This, I have from experience. Best regards, Chris From Yarrpal11 at aol.com Fri Apr 20 16:02:43 2007 From: Yarrpal11 at aol.com (Yarrpal11@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 20 16:21:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 50 - HELP!!!!! Message-ID: Please unsubscribe immediately. Thank you! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/6287b004/attachment-0002.htm From Yarrpal11 at aol.com Fri Apr 20 16:02:43 2007 From: Yarrpal11 at aol.com (Yarrpal11@aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 20 16:21:46 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 50 - HELP!!!!! Message-ID: Please unsubscribe immediately. Thank you! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/6287b004/attachment-0003.htm From dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com Fri Apr 20 16:05:18 2007 From: dawn_waters_ at hotmail.com (Dawn Waters) Date: Fri Apr 20 16:21:48 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <001101c78272$3108ee60$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: Hi Rob As a UK based daughter of a Saint (my mother has been in the UK for over 40 years) I'll give you a little insight into the language. Basically, its English but with a sing song kind of accent - almost Kiwi and S African influenced. I think it's charming pretty easy to understand and often have conversations with Saints who have only recently come to the UK and can follow them very well indeed. The only issue I have (and agreeing with John here) is the poor quality of written English by many Saints. From a business and commerce point of view this does need (especially with the imminent arrival of air access) improving so that Saints can capitalise on all opportunities. Best regards Dawn Hants UK >From: "Rob G" >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:02:01 +0300 > >Oh come on guys, (or is that being too sexist now???), I know exactly what >John T was trying to say! I'm a 46 yr old white male who was born and >raised in the heart of Zululand and doesn't have any issue surrounding the >way we twist our tongue to get the message across... no, I'm not talking >about the "French kiss" (Gawd, why they had to get the credit for that only >Napoleon knows!). > >Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in >that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound >offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. > >In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when >it comes to the correct use of the English language, but nevertheless, I >lay no claim to always speaking it properly - why?, simply because I love >the idiosyncrasies it presents when conveyed from another's mother-tongue >or when conversing with it to make sense of the situation! > >To give an example, if John was a typical black "Johannes" from South >Africa (and yes, we do tend to generalize a lot here since it covers for >the polarized pain we been through), he would have sounded like this; > >"Ee-rownd ear, Inglish iss probably consi-deed a forin lungwish, giveen >thut mo-st peepil spik Sah-int. Tho havin herd (not goats), tha >annowns-mints bin red on tha ray-dio, aim not shoor day tish Inglish >aythir...(darn, my Zulu/English accent isn't as good as it used to be!) > >The fact is that "English" will always sound different when spoken by >anyone "foreign to the crown". I mean, there is "always" going to be an >accent imposed on it by that person's mother-tongue (along with the dialect >in their area)... and sometimes, to be truthful, it sounds very funny at >the time (dare I mention comedian Billy Connelly as an example?). Gosh, >even the "English" news broadcasts here in S.A. sometimes sound funny >because of the pronunciations spoken by a person who's mother-tongue >differs from mine... but it's getting better. > >Tessa, Iris, (and any others who feel the same), I sincerely don't think >John intentionally sort to offend anyone - especially born and bred >Helentas... because any comments from you guys play a significant role >towards our interest in being here in the first place. Although it may have >appeared that he detoured from the fact this list caters for a miriad of >people and spoke openly, just bare in mind that he is actually (still) >living on the Island and deals with its nature from his point of view - I >think that also holds ground. Furthermore, there are lot's of clues to >comments he has made on this list to indicate that his character and >demeanor are not formed with malice - and I for one sometimes enjoy his >input, though quirky at times. But then again, that's my opinion for the >time being. > >For the most part, I feel this listing holds a wonderful and informative >feeling about it - and its nature is governed and fashioned around those >who contribute regularly - so, if there is anyone wanting to make an impact >that demands attention or change towards attitudes, then speak up! I'm here >only for the fantasy of one day living on the Island. > >Oh my gosh (OMG), since writing this response there has been another six >responses - one even including the mention of Bin Laden! Aaaarg! > >Gawd, when I want to raise a point I sure can spend my time... I think it's >time I took a nap... > >RobG >(climactix) > >PS: I must be honest - I really thought that St.Helena was an only and >mainly speaking English-community - would a resident, or ex-pat please >enlighten me as to what is actually spoken on the island? Languages have >always been a fascination of mine. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Iris Linsi > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Hi Tessa - > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's >comment ! > Iris Linsi-Thomas > Switzerland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tessa Boucherot > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the >South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most >St. Helenians would. > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes >about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you >post such a comment. > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of John Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given >that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being >read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. > > > > JT > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of Rich Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches >the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was >compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 >years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the >Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or >Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian > > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I >always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, >perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, >being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally >qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my >children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, >though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is >watching the movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on >an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors >make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless >you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the >curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, >South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. 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Thank you. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in >SH? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Terry Herbert > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > £30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it >up to £6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > > Australia > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > The advert is available online at > > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > > Regards, > > Alexander > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Turner > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; >'Various UK Contacts' > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) >carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. > > The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if >anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the >main details I'd be most grateful. > > Regards, > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, >South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are >confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. 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My German passport did not prevent me last year from staying for a full week on the island. Following the advise of the shipping company I had taken a temporary international health insurance, though. When presenting this10 page document written only in German, the immigration officer looked somewhat puzzled but accepted my assurance that he held in hand what he was asking for. Reino. Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > > On Apr 20, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Goodey wrote: > >> "If you do not have a British passport and do not have medical >> insurance you will only be allowed to stay for 48 hours." >> >> I find this difficult to believe. If true, it rules out more than >> half of potential tourists. For example, I couldn't visit SH with my >> wife, because she is a Japanese national. > > The legal secret in this sentence is the word 'and'. If you possess > either British passport or medical insurance, you will not be subject > to the 48-hour limit. If your wife is keen to linger at the empty > grave of Napoleon, even temporary travel medical insurance will do. > This, I have from experience. > > Best regards, > Chris > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/ecb069f1/attachment.htm From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Fri Apr 20 17:05:41 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Fri Apr 20 17:06:14 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice In-Reply-To: <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com> <3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <9324F520-0E03-4300-B534-158C248A7B89@earthlink.net> On Apr 20, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Reino Bauer wrote: > When presenting this10 page > document written only in German, the immigration officer looked > somewhat > puzzled but accepted my assurance that he held in hand what he was > asking for. Lieber Herr Bauer, Wenn Sie solche Sachen erz?len, haben Sie kein Angst, da? jemand etwas unerlich versuchen k?nnte? Sehr lustig, aber ;-) Hochachtungsvoll, Christoph From John at BurghHouse.com Fri Apr 20 17:04:55 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 20 17:07:40 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice In-Reply-To: <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com><3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <000001c7835d$45cbcd90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Reino, You've given me an idea. Next time I return from off-island I'll complete my customs declaration in Thai or Japanese (the numbers too, of course). That should reduce the import duty! I'll spilt the profits with anyone who can offer to help me translate it. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Reino Bauer Sent: 20 April 2007 14:59 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Odd advice I just would like to confirm what Chris is saying. My German passport did not prevent me last year from staying for a full week on the island. Following the advise of the shipping company I had taken a temporary international health insurance, though. When presenting this10 page document written only in German, the immigration officer looked somewhat puzzled but accepted my assurance that he held in hand what he was asking for. Reino. Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > > On Apr 20, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Goodey wrote: > >> "If you do not have a British passport and do not have medical >> insurance you will only be allowed to stay for 48 hours." >> >> I find this difficult to believe. If true, it rules out more than >> half of potential tourists. For example, I couldn't visit SH with my >> wife, because she is a Japanese national. > > The legal secret in this sentence is the word 'and'. If you possess > either British passport or medical insurance, you will not be subject > to the 48-hour limit. If your wife is keen to linger at the empty > grave of Napoleon, even temporary travel medical insurance will do. > This, I have from experience. > > Best regards, > Chris > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > has notified the sender that this message has been received. __________ NOD32 2207 (20070420) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/d77ea6ec/attachment-0001.htm From rbauer6115 at t-online.de Fri Apr 20 17:37:25 2007 From: rbauer6115 at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Fri Apr 20 17:37:40 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice In-Reply-To: <000001c7835d$45cbcd90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com><3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com> <000001c7835d$45cbcd90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <4628DE35.8090407@bigfoot.com> John and others, I am sure it worked only for my particularly honest looking face. ;-) Anybody else will be hard pressed to get through. Reino. John Turner wrote: > Reino, > > You've given me an idea. Next time I return from off-island I'll > complete my customs declaration in Thai or Japanese (the numbers too, > of course). That should reduce the import duty! > > I'll spilt the profits with anyone who can offer to help me translate it. > > JT > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *Reino Bauer > *Sent:* 20 April 2007 14:59 > *To:* All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > *Subject:* Re: [STHELENA] Odd advice > > I just would like to confirm what Chris is saying. My German passport > did not prevent me last year from staying for a full week on the island. > Following the advise of the shipping company I had taken a temporary > international health insurance, though. When presenting this10 page > document written only in German, the immigration officer looked somewhat > puzzled but accepted my assurance that he held in hand what he was > asking for. > > Reino. > > > Christopher D. Lewis wrote: > > > > On Apr 20, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Goodey wrote: > > > >> "If you do not have a British passport and do not have medical > >> insurance you will only be allowed to stay for 48 hours." > >> > >> I find this difficult to believe. If true, it rules out more than > >> half of potential tourists. For example, I couldn't visit SH with my > >> wife, because she is a Japanese national. > > > > The legal secret in this sentence is the word 'and'. If you possess > > either British passport or medical insurance, you will not be subject > > to the 48-hour limit. If your wife is keen to linger at the empty > > grave of Napoleon, even temporary travel medical insurance will do. > > This, I have from experience. > > > > Best regards, > > Chris > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer > the confirm mail. > > > > > > has notified the sender that this > message has been received. > > > > __________ NOD32 2207 (20070420) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 17:44:51 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 17:45:13 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC7EB@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE6C@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> THIS MESSAGE IS OLD - WRITTEN ON WEDNESDAY BEFORE JOHN'S EMAIL BACK AND THE DISCUSSION THAT FOLLOWED. I Don't know why it is just now being posted! Tessa ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa Boucherot Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:32 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I have tough skin! I am not one to easily take offense. I take offense to John's comments. Or am I no longer allowed to state how I feel? Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:50 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Oh brother, Here we go with someone being offended. Get tougher skin. -----Original Message----- From: tmboucherot@bpmsl.com To: John@BurghHouse.com; list@sthelena.se Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/eef989b8/attachment-0001.htm From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 17:47:29 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 17:48:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC6CA@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBE71@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> ALSO A RE-POST!! THIS IS THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE I POSTED ON WEDNESDAY.... OI! Tessa Boucherot (Boosh-er-row) BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) tmboucherot@bpmsl.com Please note my name change and email address change. ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa Boucherot Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:31 AM To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment. Tessa Boucherot ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/d65b6f18/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 18:09:12 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Fri Apr 20 18:11:44 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <002a01c7827d$21cf8700$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <968675.89168.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, his input over the last two days has been quite a joke! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: > Whahaha, sorry Nissa, Tessa, but I think what > Mr.Porter says is very funny in context to all that > has been said! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: prporter1@aim.com > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Iris, > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get > together and sing Cum Baya. > > -----Original Message----- > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Hi Tessa - > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > annoyed by John's comment ! > Iris Linsi-Thomas > Switzerland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tessa Boucherot > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - > The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! > I feel certain most St. Helenians would. > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > such a comment. > > Tessa Boucherot > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Dear Rich, > > Around here, English is probably considered a > foreign language, given that most people speak > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > either. > > JT > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > Perkins > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, > St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > xmlns:ns0 = > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > Giuliano, > I have no objection to having here: > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > Italian > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a > beautiful language and I always prefer to hear > Italian operas sung in the native language (and, > perhaps for the same reason, do not like German > operas). > > Of course, my personal views on Education here > count for very little, being only a parent of > school-age children and therefore not professionally > qualified to know anything about the welfare and > requirements of my children. > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > movie The Italian Job. > > But the schools here don't currently teach > French, which is a shame on an island that receives > many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make > up most of the balance of the non-English speaking > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > speaking, of course). > > That being the case, I think the chances of > getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as > good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. > > Sad, but true. > > Regards, > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. > Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, > Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and > any attachments are confidential, meant solely for > the intended recipient of the transmission, and may > be a communication privileged by law. Access to this > by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > communication in error or are not the intended > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of this communication or any > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > giuliano tordini > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > italian teacher in SH? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Herbert > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > ??30,000 a year!!! What???s he average salary on > the island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 yet do you > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > All the best > Terry Herbert > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > Schulenburg > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > The advert is available online at > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > Regards, > Alexander > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Turner > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > teachers === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Apr 20 17:32:25 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 20 18:32:41 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <968675.89168.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006201c78361$1a0351c0$0200a8c0@dad> Hmmm, I'm beginning to think I should write replies as thought they should arrive a few days later... haha! I'll add in the expected retorts, plus a couple of explanations, some apologies and a song we could all sing to around a camp-fire? RobG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nissa Nystrom" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > Yes, his input over the last two days has been quite a > joke! > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > --- Rob G wrote: > >> Whahaha, sorry Nissa, Tessa, but I think what >> Mr.Porter says is very funny in context to all that >> has been said! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: prporter1@aim.com >> To: list@sthelena.se >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> >> >> Iris, >> >> Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get >> together and sing Cum Baya. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch >> To: list@sthelena.se >> Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> >> >> Hi Tessa - >> As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and >> annoyed by John's comment ! >> Iris Linsi-Thomas >> Switzerland >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tessa Boucherot >> To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - >> The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM >> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> >> >> As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! >> I feel certain most St. Helenians would. >> As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the >> islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of >> resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post >> such a comment. >> >> Tessa Boucherot >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se >> [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John >> Turner >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM >> To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the >> South Atlantic(Eng)' >> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> >> Dear Rich, >> >> Around here, English is probably considered a >> foreign language, given that most people speak >> Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being >> read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English >> either. >> >> JT >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se >> [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich >> Perkins >> Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 >> To: list@sthelena.se >> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, >> St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. >> >> As such, if they don't teach French (i actually >> thought French was compulsory for at least a year, >> and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) >> or German or Italian, what foreign language do they >> teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? >> >> I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, >> Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... >> >> >> At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: >> >> >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" >> xmlns:ns0 = >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> >> Giuliano, >> I have no objection to having here: >> Italians who teach; and / or people who teach >> Italian >> Seriously, though, I think Italian is a >> beautiful language and I always prefer to hear >> Italian operas sung in the native language (and, >> perhaps for the same reason, do not like German >> operas). >> >> Of course, my personal views on Education here >> count for very little, being only a parent of >> school-age children and therefore not professionally >> qualified to know anything about the welfare and >> requirements of my children. >> >> My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy >> Italian video course, though I must confess that the >> nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the >> movie The Italian Job. >> >> But the schools here don't currently teach >> French, which is a shame on an island that receives >> many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make >> up most of the balance of the non-English speaking >> visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English >> speaking, of course). >> >> That being the case, I think the chances of >> getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as >> good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. >> >> Sad, but true. >> >> Regards, >> >> John Turner >> Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. >> Helena >> (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, >> Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) >> Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) >> NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and >> any attachments are confidential, meant solely for >> the intended recipient of the transmission, and may >> be a communication privileged by law. Access to this >> by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this >> communication in error or are not the intended >> recipient, any review, use, dissemination, >> distribution, copying of this communication or any >> action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on >> it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If >> you have received this communication in error, >> please notify the author by reply and then kindly >> delete the communication. Thank you. >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se >> [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of >> giuliano tordini >> Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the >> South Atlantic(Eng) >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> >> John, don't you think it is necessary to have an >> italian teacher in SH? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Terry Herbert >> To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the >> South Atlantic(Eng)' >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM >> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> ??30,000 a year!!! What??Ts he average salary on >> the island John ??" is it up to ??6,000 yet do you >> think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. >> All the best >> Terry Herbert >> DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, >> Australia >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se >> [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. >> Schulenburg >> Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the >> South Atlantic(Eng) >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> The advert is available online at >> http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 >> Regards, >> Alexander >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Turner >> To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the >> South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM >> Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> I'm told that last week's Times Educational >> Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for >> teachers > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 2007/04/19 > 05:32 AM > > From tmboucherot at bpmsl.com Fri Apr 20 18:44:12 2007 From: tmboucherot at bpmsl.com (Tessa Boucherot) Date: Fri Apr 20 18:45:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <006201c78361$1a0351c0$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBEC7@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> This is tiresome! A waste of time and energy! Let's return to civility and maturity shall we? -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rob G Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:32 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hmmm, I'm beginning to think I should write replies as thought they should arrive a few days later... haha! I'll add in the expected retorts, plus a couple of explanations, some apologies and a song we could all sing to around a camp-fire? RobG >> >> From lgreenf at ktb.net Fri Apr 20 18:50:42 2007 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Fri Apr 20 18:51:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com><008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> <000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <001c01c7836c$0a040250$6400a8c0@main> Wow... and to think this list was almost discontinued due to lack of activity not too long ago... The thing about any language (especially English) is that it always changes, and as everyone knows, "correct" spelling and punctuation changes depending on region, and I cringe when I hear "proper" used before a language ("proper" English). In Japanese there's kansai-ben as opposed to "standard" Japanese, in Scotland I couldn't understand what a 10yr-old was saying to me. If someone says "it's the devil beating his wife" in the American south, everyone there (at least those who grew up there) seem to know that it means when it's raining outside but the sun shines through, and I would have absolutely no idea. Language is a tool for people to express themselves. It constantly changes -- and like everything else, reflects the geography and people speaking it. Just as why Prince Andrew School has a marine studies program and a school in Iowa wouldn't, but might have an Ag program. Not to mention this one little tidbit I discovered: when people sing, accents almost always seem to drop. I remember being in Australia (and was told by a few Aussies that I have a heavy American accent) and watching everything from singers on TV to high school choirs sing Christmas carols, and the strong Australian accent (to me) that I'd hear in dialogue immediately stopped as the singing started. What all this has to do with St Helena I'm not sure anymore. I come from a family of English teachers, and while being a musician, am still an English junkie (might I recommend a book called "Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson, also check out a weekly podcast you can download from KPBS in San Diego called "A Way With Words", which is American-English focused -- just do google searches) but I think we've kind of strayed too far off the topic by this point. No matter where you are, there are going to be good and bad teachers. As I said, most of my family are teachers, including those who teach overseas. When I was on the RMS to St Helena I ran into two young teachers from the UK who were teaching on the island, and I have to say (hope first impressions were wrong) but the two girls didn't seem too keen on their posting, and were kind of brushing it off, seeing it as a vacation posting. But then I met a third UK teacher who seemed quite diligent and seemed to really care for the job and the island. This isn't any different than anywhere else, except perhaps because of the situation you might be more likely to get a young teacher (who doesn't yet have a tenured contract at a school) than a tenured teacher who would give up tenure to go teach "somewhere else" for only a few years. >>It is also amazing how people can be at war in business from 8 until 4 and >>then be found drinking happily together in Donny's on a Friday night. This kind of thing always reminds me of the classic Warner Bros cartoon with the sheepdog and the wolf. The sheepdog and the wolf walk to work each day, clock into work, and immedaitely go at each other's throat (the wolf trying to eat the sheep for himself, the sheepdog going after the wolf like crazy). Then it's 5:00pm, they clock out, walk home together, chatting and smiling as they head home, then repeat the same thing next day. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/cf039aa9/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Fri Apr 20 18:55:28 2007 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Fri Apr 20 18:56:14 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <005001c7836c$b369f200$6400a8c0@main> Not quite true. You just have to show proof of medical insurance at home. As bad as this is (and who I am to talk, coming from the only major industrialized country without a form of national health care) I assume it's meant to stop people who need heavy medical treatment (or who might) from coming to St Helena to get it for free. But if you have medical insurance at home (in the US, something like Blue Shield, HealthNet, Kaiser, etc) that's fine. Then if you get sick and need major medical attention on the island, the island won't be stuck with the bill, your insurance will pay, and everything's fine. If your wife's a Japanese national, she should still have her medical card for Japan? But any type of insurance would be fine. I can't even remember now if I had to show proof when I visited.. I think maybe they just asked. I could be wrong, it's been 7 years now. But as long as you have some type of health insurance (perhaps even if you just take out temporary travel health insurance) it's fine. It's just so the island won't get stuck with major medical costs from people who don't have their own insurance. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Goodey" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice > On 20 Apr 2007 at 12:18, A.H. Schulenburg wrote: > >> There is another strange bit of info on that page. See if you can >> spot it. > > I see: > > "If you do not have a British passport and do not have medical > insurance you will only be allowed to stay for 48 hours." > > I find this difficult to believe. If true, it rules out more than > half of potential tourists. For example, I couldn't visit SH with my > wife, because she is a Japanese national. > > This counterproductive rule (if it really exists) will obviously > collapse with the advent of the airport - if that day ever dawns... > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se Fri Apr 20 20:08:50 2007 From: john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se (John Ekwall) Date: Fri Apr 20 20:09:19 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] size matters! Message-ID: <000e01c78377$034db680$a888fc53@TOSHIBA> Dear subscribers, Activity has been 100% above normal these last days. I have been away on vacation and just yesterday I realized that some postings needed my approval. These postings were above the size limit of 40 kB and some of them were a little old BUT I decided to approve them this Friday (for the benfit of our community - the list). So bear in mind when you respond to a posting - keep it below 40 kB - so pse don't just put your reaction above a digest issue - clean the message from those lines that doesn't have any connection to your comment. I apologize for haven't been "on line" for several days. Today I cleaned the list from 728 postings (99.6% SPAM) needing my approval. John Ekwall, Sweden Moderator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been away on vacation and just yesterday I realized that some postings needed my approval. These postings were above the size limit of 40 kB and some of them were a little old BUT I decided to approve them this Friday (for the benfit of our community - the list). So bear in mind when you respond to a posting - keep it below 40 kB - so pse don't just put your reaction above a digest issue - clean the message from those lines that doesn't have any connection to your comment. I apologize for haven't been "on line" for several days. Today I cleaned the list from 728 postings (99.6% SPAM) needing my approval. John Ekwall, Sweden Moderator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I usually re-send with the right address. > Is it replying by attaching the comment to the entire thread > perhaps that puts it above the limit? I have not seen my comment > on the list so assume you have not got to it yet. To prevent length problems, trim your email of text to which you aren't specifically replying. Best regards, Chris From cplowe at mchsi.com Fri Apr 20 17:39:25 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Fri Apr 20 20:28:39 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <042020071539.17146.4628DEAD0004AA95000042FA219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> I am not sure if this got through but I tried to post a comment yesterday about linguistic experts who refer to the dialects as speaking with a "restricted code" I am not sure what it means and have never had the time to look it up but it sounds as though, in terms of the "expert" opinion dialects are not highly prized. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Rob G" Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:51:27 +0000 Size: 51990 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/37dacc3b/attachment-0001.eml From cplowe at mchsi.com Fri Apr 20 20:32:00 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Fri Apr 20 20:32:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com><008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq><000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> <001c01c7836c$0a040250$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <008101c7837a$2f6dc400$6501a8c0@Pam> The comment I was trying to get posted was simply that I have often wondered what "experts" in linguistics mean when they designate those who speak dialects as speaking with a "restricted code." I have heard it said for example, about Caribbean dialects. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Greenfield To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Wow... and to think this list was almost discontinued due to lack of activity not too long ago... The thing about any language (especially English) is that it always changes, and as everyone knows, "correct" spelling and punctuation changes depending on region, and I cringe when I hear "proper" used before a language ("proper" English). In Japanese there's kansai-ben as opposed to "standard" Japanese, in Scotland I couldn't understand what a 10yr-old was saying to me. If someone says "it's the devil beating his wife" in the American south, everyone there (at least those who grew up there) seem to know that it means when it's raining outside but the sun shines through, and I would have absolutely no idea. Language is a tool for people to express themselves. It constantly changes -- and like everything else, reflects the geography and people speaking it. Just as why Prince Andrew School has a marine studies program and a school in Iowa wouldn't, but might have an Ag program. Not to mention this one little tidbit I discovered: when people sing, accents almost always seem to drop. I remember being in Australia (and was told by a few Aussies that I have a heavy American accent) and watching everything from singers on TV to high school choirs sing Christmas carols, and the strong Australian accent (to me) that I'd hear in dialogue immediately stopped as the singing started. What all this has to do with St Helena I'm not sure anymore. I come from a family of English teachers, and while being a musician, am still an English junkie (might I recommend a book called "Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson, also check out a weekly podcast you can download from KPBS in San Diego called "A Way With Words", which is American-English focused -- just do google searches) but I think we've kind of strayed too far off the topic by this point. No matter where you are, there are going to be good and bad teachers. As I said, most of my family are teachers, including those who teach overseas. When I was on the RMS to St Helena I ran into two young teachers from the UK who were teaching on the island, and I have to say (hope first impressions were wrong) but the two girls didn't seem too keen on their posting, and were kind of brushing it off, seeing it as a vacation posting. But then I met a third UK teacher who seemed quite diligent and seemed to really care for the job and the island. This isn't any different than anywhere else, except perhaps because of the situation you might be more likely to get a young teacher (who doesn't yet have a tenured contract at a school) than a tenured teacher who would give up tenure to go teach "somewhere else" for only a few years. >>It is also amazing how people can be at war in business from 8 until 4 and >>then be found drinking happily together in Donny's on a Friday night. This kind of thing always reminds me of the classic Warner Bros cartoon with the sheepdog and the wolf. The sheepdog and the wolf walk to work each day, clock into work, and immedaitely go at each other's throat (the wolf trying to eat the sheep for himself, the sheepdog going after the wolf like crazy). Then it's 5:00pm, they clock out, walk home together, chatting and smiling as they head home, then repeat the same thing next day. Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/3ba5e875/attachment.htm From csmatthews at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 20 20:47:48 2007 From: csmatthews at ntlworld.com (csmatthews@ntlworld.com) Date: Fri Apr 20 20:48:34 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Message-ID: <20070420184822.DOQH26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> I think that 'restricted code' has something to do with the sociological theorist Bernstein. Isn't it more connected with narrow language such as is used in some of the sciences especially the social sciences? No-one understands it unless they are students of the subject. > > From: list-request@sthelena.se > Date: 2007/04/20 Fri AM 12:41:31 BST > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 42 > > Send List mailing list submissions to > list@sthelena.se > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > list-request@sthelena.se > > You can reach the person managing the list at > list-owner@sthelena.se > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Teachers for St. Helena (cplowe@mchsi.com) > 2. Re: Teachers for St Helena (csmatthews@ntlworld.com) > 3. House for sale (Neon Dream) > 4. Teachers for St. Helena (Neon Dream) > 5. English (Neon Dream) > 6. Re: English (Rolf Weijburg) > 7. Re: Teachers for St. Helena (John Nixon) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:10:14 +0000 > From: cplowe@mchsi.com > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Message-ID: > <041920071910.5381.4627BE9600079A8100001505219792676103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> > > > I think there are some who work in linguistics who refer to these regional > accents as "speaking with restricted code" I think that the accent on St > Helena as well as what is spoken in Barbados or in the south of the US for > example might be what would be typical of this restricted code. I am not sure > I recall what it means but it does seems to suggest that the regional accents > are somehow less authentic. Not sure I agree and hope not to offend > Pam > > > > Here's a question for Tessa and all other resident Saints on the List. If > > you can put aside the issue of whether or not you find John's post > > offensive, what do you think of his point about language as taught -vs- as > > spoken? > > > > Here in the US, regional dialects and accents can be quite pronounced and > > sometimes, even though we all live in the same country and speak the same > > language, communication suffers. > > > > For example, if Nissa is a native of North Dakota, she probably speaks with > > an accent and rythm that would identify her as living in North Dakota. > > Offensive? No, just factual. The same would be true for the regional speach > > patterns and accents from Maine, Massachusettes, New York, Georgia, Texas, > > etc. > > > > Living on an island, even if it is not as remote as St. Helena, one tends to > > speak the vernacular as it evolves in the confines of the island. On some > > small islands off the East Coast of the US, but very close to land, there > > are languages spoken today that are a mix of English and African languages > > tracing their presence back to the slave trade that ended in the 1800's. > > > > Islands are indeed interesting for more than their geography. > > > > Marty Welfeld > > >From Florida, the land of "Y'all". > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Nissa Nystrom > > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) > > > > I think we've identified the token bully among us. > > You must be proud. > > > > Nissa > > Fargo, ND USA > > > > --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > > > > > Iris, > > > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together > > > and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > > > To: list@sthelena.se > > > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > > Hi Tessa - > > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and > > > annoyed by John's comment ! > > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > > Switzerland > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The > > > Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > > As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I > > > feel certain most St. Helenians would. > > > As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the > > > islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of > > > resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post > > > such a comment. > > > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John > > > Turner > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM > > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > > > Around here, English is probably considered a > > > foreign language, given that most people speak > > > Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being > > > read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English > > > either. > > > > > > JT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich > > > Perkins > > > Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 > > > To: list@sthelena.se > > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. > > > Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. > > > > > > As such, if they don't teach French (i actually > > > thought French was compulsory for at least a year, > > > and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) > > > or German or Italian, what foreign language do they > > > teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? > > > > > > I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, > > > Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... > > > > > > > > > At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > > > xmlns:ns0 = > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > > Giuliano, > > > I have no objection to having here: > > > Italians who teach; and / or people who teach > > > Italian > > > Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful > > > language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas > > > sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the > > > same reason, do not like German operas). > > > > > > Of course, my personal views on Education here count > > > for very little, being only a parent of school-age > > > children and therefore not professionally qualified > > > to know anything about the welfare and requirements > > > of my children. > > > > > > My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy > > > Italian video course, though I must confess that the > > > nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the > > > movie The Italian Job. > > > > > > But the schools here don't currently teach French, > > > which is a shame on an island that receives many > > > French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up > > > most of the balance of the non-English speaking > > > visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English > > > speaking, of course). > > > > > > That being the case, I think the chances of getting > > > Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us > > > getting an Airport by next Friday. > > > > > > Sad, but true. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Turner > > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > > > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > > > attachments are confidential, meant solely for the > > > intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a > > > communication privileged by law. Access to this by > > > anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this > > > communication in error or are not the intended > > > recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > > > distribution, copying of this communication or any > > > action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on > > > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > > > you have received this communication in error, > > > please notify the author by reply and then kindly > > > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of > > > giuliano tordini > > > Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 > > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > > Atlantic(Eng) > > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > John, don't you think it is necessary to have an > > > italian teacher in SH? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Terry Herbert > > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > > Atlantic(Eng)' > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM > > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > ??30,000 a year!!! What???s he average salary on the > > > island John ??? is it up to ??6,000 yet do you > > > think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. > > > All the best > > > Terry Herbert > > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > > > Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > > > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. > > > Schulenburg > > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM > > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > > Atlantic(Eng) > > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > The advert is available online at > > > http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 > > > Regards, > > > Alexander > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Turner > > > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > > > Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM > > > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > I'm told that last week's Times Educational > > > Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for > > > teachers to come to St. Helena. > > > The supplement is apparently not available on the > > > Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either > > > scan and email it or just email me the main details > > > I'd be most grateful. > > > Regards, > > > John Turner > > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > > > of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > > > attachments > > === message truncated ===> The S:t Helena Mailing List > > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:01:13 +0100 > From: > Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Teachers for St Helena > To: > Message-ID: > <20070419190117.NWAB17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I was in St Helena for a few months in the early 90s. Firstly, not only did I find the Saints unfailingly charming and polite I found it easier to understand them than they found it to understand me! Like others who have posted I found it much easier to follow Saint English than a great many UK 'dialects'. > > I visited the schools and appreciate the educational problems. Junior schools were outstanding and characterised by highly professional teachers and a wonderful head teacher. Unfortunately the secondary school, despite similarly highly professional staff, struggled to retain personnel and this could often lead to difficulties for pupils requiring support over the duration of a course. > > To anyone thinking of going there - DO IT. I was very sad when my 'tour of duty' came to an end and it was a wrench to have to go.......... but one day I hope to return > > > Clive Matthews > > From: list-request@sthelena.se > > Date: 2007/04/19 Thu PM 04:54:53 BST > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 40 > > > > Send List mailing list submissions to > > list@sthelena.se > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > list-request@sthelena.se > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > list-owner@sthelena.se > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of List digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. RE: Teachers for St. Helena (Tessa Boucherot) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:54:00 -0700 > > From: "Tessa Boucherot" > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" > > > > Message-ID: > > <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216EBC3D@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > > and feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > > concern for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe > > those concerns are also very valid. > > > > > > > > Tessa > > > > > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > > Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > Iris, > > > > > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Hi Tessa - > > > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's > > comment ! > > > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > > > Switzerland > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in > > the South Atlantic(Eng) > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070419/c3083d2f/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List mailing list > > List@sthelena.se > > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > > > > > End of List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 40 > > ************************************ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:42:16 +0200 > From: "Neon Dream" > Subject: [STHELENA] House for sale > To: list@sthelena.se > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I understand that this week's St Helena Herald contains both clarification > and an emphatic denial on the subject of Prince's Lodge from Robin Castell > himself. > > See www.news.co.sh for further information. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:44:21 +0200 > From: "Neon Dream" > Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > To: list@sthelena.se > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I understand that this week's St Helena Herald contains details of how this > subject is viewed on the Island itself. > > See www.news.co.sh for further information. > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:03:51 +0200 > From: "Neon Dream" > Subject: [STHELENA] English > To: list@sthelena.se > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the > Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, > political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: > > The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English > than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best described > as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon English > (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings inherited from > Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). > > Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of > the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English > literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St > Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local > oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 01:41:00 +0200 > From: Rolf Weijburg > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] English > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Message-ID: <000501c782dc$2f65b880$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=response > > Now, please...It's like Saint Helena is Mohamed and Mister Turner is a > Danish cartoonist. This is getting cartoonisque. > No need to shout and start throwing stones. Cool down. Tolerate. Be flexible > and try to enrich with other's ideas rather than built walls of > incomprehension. > Shall we get back to STH ? > Rolf Weijburg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neon Dream" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:03 PM > Subject: [STHELENA] English > > > >A word from and Englishman who has studied both English Literature and the > >Island of St Helena including (amongst other things) the history, culture, > >political climate, and local language, for some two decades now: > > > > The English language spoken in St Helena is more "traditionally" English > > than the English language spoken in the UK today, and can be best > > described as Chaucerian (or Middle) English and perhaps at a push Pigeon > > English (noting the introduction of some Americanised "slang" sayings > > inherited from Saints working at the USAF base on Ascension Island). > > > > Noting that Chaucer was butler to four Kings, envoy to France, Speaker of > > the House of Commons and is even referred to as "The father of English > > literature" perhaps it is time that Mr Turner returned to school in St > > Helena and studied some of the subjects he professes to be such a local > > oracle on, as I too was offended by his comments on this subject! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:40:30 +1200 > From: "John Nixon" > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > To: , "All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic\(Eng\)" > Message-ID: <004b01c782dc$1da33640$0301a8c0@NixonTecra> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Good on you John, > > You have a very fair and pragmatic view on things. > > John Nixon > New Caledonia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Turner" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:15 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Tessa, > > > > Thanks for that (the bit about me, I mean - no comment on the other bit; > > s/he can defend him/herself). > > > > If you hadn't posted an objection to what I wrote, I would never have > > explained it, so you would have been fuming in silence about an apparent > > slur, and many more might have thought I was condemning Saints rather than > > the currently poor education system the island suffers. > > > > This is a case in point for why it is good to register objections when you > > see something you don't like, and why banning things we don't like the > > look > > of can only lead to disaster. > > > > Cheers. > > JT > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > > Of Tessa Boucherot > > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:54 > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > Mr. Porter (I have to assume this is your name as your posts are not > > signed) - Are you 12 years old by chance? > > > > > > > > Oh the other hand, thank you John for your responses! I do believe in, > > and > > feel that you are sincere in your affection for St. Helena, and your > > concern > > for the current system of education on St. Helena. I believe those > > concerns > > are also very valid. > > > > > > > > Tessa > > > > > > > > Tessa Boucherot > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > > Of prporter1@aim.com > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:23 AM > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > Iris, > > > > > > > > Call Nissa and Tessa. I suggest you all get together and sing Cum Baya. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linsi_art@bluewin.ch > > To: list@sthelena.se > > Sent: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 1:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > Hi Tessa - > > > > As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment > > ! > > > > Iris Linsi-Thomas > > > > Switzerland > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tessa Boucherot > > > > To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > > South Atlantic(Eng) > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2204 (20070419) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list > List@sthelena.se > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > > End of List Digest, Vol 34, Issue 42 > ************************************ > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam From ahs at st-helena.org Fri Apr 20 21:29:14 2007 From: ahs at st-helena.org (A.H. Schulenburg) Date: Fri Apr 20 21:31:19 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] list problems? References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com><3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com><000001c7835d$45cbcd90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <4628DE35.8090407@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <007401c78382$7454f360$0301a8c0@TIME2003> I don't seem to be getting all the list messages, as the ones I do get often contain quotes from messages I never saw. Does anyone else have this problem? Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/85f804f5/attachment.htm From ahs at st-helena.org Fri Apr 20 21:31:07 2007 From: ahs at st-helena.org (A.H. Schulenburg) Date: Fri Apr 20 21:31:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003><4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com> <3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <007501c78382$748244f0$0301a8c0@TIME2003> > The legal secret in this sentence is the word 'and'. If you possess > either British passport or medical insurance, you will not be subject > to the 48-hour limit. That was indeed the other odd bit. Not very clear is it? Thanks for explaining though. Regards, Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/4f116d74/attachment.htm From rbauer6115 at t-online.de Fri Apr 20 21:37:18 2007 From: rbauer6115 at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Fri Apr 20 21:37:38 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice In-Reply-To: <005001c7836c$b369f200$6400a8c0@main> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com> <005001c7836c$b369f200$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <4629166E.60807@bigfoot.com> To avoid any bad surprises on arrival, this is todays official requirement. Note: "....including overseas medical referral". /*Medical & Accident Insurance on St Helena.* The Government of St Helena require all persons visiting the island to have adequate medical insurance which covers the full duration of their stay on island and includes coverage for overseas medical referral if required. This requirement applies to all individuals who are not current residents of St Helena, regardless of their nationality or place of birth. You will need to show proof of your insurance to St Helena Immigration officials on your arrival at Jamestown./ Reino. Larry Greenfield wrote: > Not quite true. > You just have to show proof of medical insurance at home. > As bad as this is (and who I am to talk, coming from the only major > industrialized country without a form of national health care) I > assume it's > meant to stop people who need heavy medical treatment (or who might) > from coming to St Helena to get it for free. But if you have medical > insurance at home (in the US, something like Blue Shield, HealthNet, > Kaiser, etc) that's fine. Then if you get sick and need major medical > attention on the island, the island won't be stuck with the bill, your > insurance will pay, and everything's fine. If your wife's a Japanese > national, > she should still have her medical card for Japan? But any type of > insurance would be fine. I can't even remember now if I had to show proof > when I visited.. I think maybe they just asked. I could be wrong, it's > been 7 years now. But as long as you have some type of health insurance > (perhaps even if you just take out temporary travel health insurance) > it's fine. It's just so the island won't get stuck with major medical > costs from > people who don't have their own insurance. > Larry > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Goodey" > > To: > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:12 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Odd advice > > >> On 20 Apr 2007 at 12:18, A.H. Schulenburg wrote: >> >>> There is another strange bit of info on that page. See if you can >>> spot it. >> >> I see: >> >> "If you do not have a British passport and do not have medical >> insurance you will only be allowed to stay for 48 hours." >> >> I find this difficult to believe. If true, it rules out more than >> half of potential tourists. For example, I couldn't visit SH with my >> wife, because she is a Japanese national. >> >> This counterproductive rule (if it really exists) will obviously >> collapse with the advent of the airport - if that day ever dawns... >> >> Thomas Goodey >> >> ********************************* >> The introduction of a multiplicity >> of objectives into a problem not >> only destroys its unity, but also >> increases markedly both the >> time necessary for, and the >> actual personal danger involved >> in, its solution. >> ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII >> ************************************** >> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/51db66a9/attachment.htm From rbauer6115 at t-online.de Fri Apr 20 21:40:50 2007 From: rbauer6115 at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Fri Apr 20 21:40:58 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] list problems? In-Reply-To: <007401c78382$7454f360$0301a8c0@TIME2003> References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com><3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com><000001c7835d$45cbcd90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <4628DE35.8090407@bigfoot.com> <007401c78382$7454f360$0301a8c0@TIME2003> Message-ID: <46291742.8050506@bigfoot.com> Same with me. Reino. A.H. Schulenburg wrote: > I don't seem to be getting all the list messages, as the ones I do get > often contain quotes from messages I never saw. Does anyone else have > this problem? > > Alexander > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/56e95b4f/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Apr 20 20:52:11 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 20 21:52:38 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] list problems? References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com><3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com><000001c7835d$45cbcd90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <4628DE35.8090407@bigfoot.com><007401c78382$7454f360$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <46291742.8050506@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <00d901c7837d$03177c90$0200a8c0@dad> Yip Alexander, I'm definitely not getting all the messages - I've only seen 2 of the 6 remarks I've made so far. It's such a shame since I really enjoy having a good discussion with peeps who hold the same interest... oh well, I hold no hope that this message will make it. RobG ----- Original Message ----- From: Reino Bauer To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] list problems? Same with me. Reino. A.H. Schulenburg wrote: > I don't seem to be getting all the list messages, as the ones I do get > often contain quotes from messages I never saw. Does anyone else have > this problem? > > Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/6bf29a40/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Fri Apr 20 22:41:00 2007 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Fri Apr 20 22:41:48 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] list problems? References: <041820072056.20228.46268610000BA47700004F04219791332903010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com>, <004301c7833d$bbcc2370$0301a8c0@TIME2003> <4628BC58.29561.A1B314@thomas.flyingkettle.com><3ED6859B-1F0B-4B2B-A91C-19E650F7A50A@earthlink.net> <4628D53C.8040304@bigfoot.com><000001c7835d$45cbcd90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <4628DE35.8090407@bigfoot.com><007401c78382$7454f360$0301a8c0@TIME2003><46291742.8050506@bigfoot.com> <00d901c7837d$03177c90$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <005d01c7838c$34edac80$6400a8c0@main> RE: not getting all the messages. Are there now two different email addresses for this list? When I have posted, I just did a "REPLY ALL" (so it should go to the list as well as the original sender) but for the list, instead of showing the "....sthelena.se" thing, it instead shows: "All about St Helena -- The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" in the "To:" column. Hmm.. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob G To: rbauer@bigfoot.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] list problems? Yip Alexander, I'm definitely not getting all the messages - I've only seen 2 of the 6 remarks I've made so far. It's such a shame since I really enjoy having a good discussion with peeps who hold the same interest... oh well, I hold no hope that this message will make it. RobG ----- Original Message ----- From: Reino Bauer To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] list problems? Same with me. Reino. A.H. Schulenburg wrote: > I don't seem to be getting all the list messages, as the ones I do get > often contain quotes from messages I never saw. Does anyone else have > this problem? > > Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070420/b72e4878/attachment-0001.htm From jrnixon at canl.nc Sat Apr 21 07:32:24 2007 From: jrnixon at canl.nc (John Nixon) Date: Sat Apr 21 10:25:38 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com><008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> <000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <004301c783d6$74754170$654babca@NixonTecra> Good one Rob! But how about "saught" instead of "sort"? Not being pedantic, I just trying to get it right both in English and French! John Nixon New Caledonia ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob G To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Oh come on guys, (or is that being too sexist now???), I know exactly what John T was trying to say! I'm a 46 yr old white male who was born and raised in the heart of Zululand and doesn't have any issue surrounding the way we twist our tongue to get the message across... no, I'm not talking about the "French kiss" (Gawd, why they had to get the credit for that only Napoleon knows!). Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language, but nevertheless, I lay no claim to always speaking it properly - why?, simply because I love the idiosyncrasies it presents when conveyed from another's mother-tongue or when conversing with it to make sense of the situation! To give an example, if John was a typical black "Johannes" from South Africa (and yes, we do tend to generalize a lot here since it covers for the polarized pain we been through), he would have sounded like this; "Ee-rownd ear, Inglish iss probably consi-deed a forin lungwish, giveen thut mo-st peepil spik Sah-int. Tho havin herd (not goats), tha annowns-mints bin red on tha ray-dio, aim not shoor day tish Inglish aythir...(darn, my Zulu/English accent isn't as good as it used to be!) The fact is that "English" will always sound different when spoken by anyone "foreign to the crown". I mean, there is "always" going to be an accent imposed on it by that person's mother-tongue (along with the dialect in their area)... and sometimes, to be truthful, it sounds very funny at the time (dare I mention comedian Billy Connelly as an example?). Gosh, even the "English" news broadcasts here in S.A. sometimes sound funny because of the pronunciations spoken by a person who's mother-tongue differs from mine... but it's getting better. Tessa, Iris, (and any others who feel the same), I sincerely don't think John intentionally sort to offend anyone - especially born and bred Helentas... because any comments from you guys play a significant role towards our interest in being here in the first place. Although it may have appeared that he detoured from the fact this list caters for a miriad of people and spoke openly, just bare in mind that he is actually (still) living on the Island and deals with its nature from his point of view - I think that also holds ground. Furthermore, there are lot's of clues to comments he has made on this list to indicate that his character and demeanor are not formed with malice - and I for one sometimes enjoy his input, though quirky at times. But then again, that's my opinion for the time being. For the most part, I feel this listing holds a wonderful and informative feeling about it - and its nature is governed and fashioned around those who contribute regularly - so, if there is anyone wanting to make an impact that demands attention or change towards attitudes, then speak up! I'm here only for the fantasy of one day living on the Island. Oh my gosh (OMG), since writing this response there has been another six responses - one even including the mention of Bin Laden! Aaaarg! Gawd, when I want to raise a point I sure can spend my time... I think it's time I took a nap... RobG (climactix) PS: I must be honest - I really thought that St.Helena was an only and mainly speaking English-community - would a resident, or ex-pat please enlighten me as to what is actually spoken on the island? Languages have always been a fascination of mine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Linsi To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Hi Tessa - As another St. Helenian I, too, was offended and annoyed by John's comment ! Iris Linsi-Thomas Switzerland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa Boucherot To: John@BurghHouse.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena As a St. Helenian I am offended by this comment! I feel certain most St. Helenians would. As one who lives on St. Helena, works with the islanders and writes about St. Helena as a sort of resident expert, I am disappointed to see you post such a comment. Tessa Boucherot -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:54 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Dear Rich, Around here, English is probably considered a foreign language, given that most people speak Saint. Though having heard the Announcements being read on the radio I'm not sure they teach English either. JT -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rich Perkins Sent: 18 April 2007 11:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Interesting. John, if I understand it correctly, St. Helena teaches the England-Wales curriculum. As such, if they don't teach French (i actually thought French was compulsory for at least a year, and a foreign language was compulsory for 4 years) or German or Italian, what foreign language do they teach on the Island? Spanish? Afrikaans? Swahili? I can't imagine the Island being full of Arabic, Mandrain, Japanese or Russian speakers... At 10:12 2007-04-18 +0000, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Giuliano, I have no objection to having here: Italians who teach; and / or people who teach Italian Seriously, though, I think Italian is a beautiful language and I always prefer to hear Italian operas sung in the native language (and, perhaps for the same reason, do not like German operas). Of course, my personal views on Education here count for very little, being only a parent of school-age children and therefore not professionally qualified to know anything about the welfare and requirements of my children. My children actually have a copy of the Muzzy Italian video course, though I must confess that the nearest they normally get to Italian is watching the movie The Italian Job. But the schools here don't currently teach French, which is a shame on an island that receives many French visitors, or German, whose visitors make up most of the balance of the non-English speaking visitors (unless you count Americans as non-English speaking, of course). That being the case, I think the chances of getting Italian onto the curriculum are about as good as us getting an Airport by next Friday. Sad, but true. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 18 April 2007 05:01 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena John, don't you think it is necessary to have an italian teacher in SH? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena ?30,000 a year!!! What's he average salary on the island John - is it up to ?6,000 yet do you think, excluding the imported SHG people of course. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of A.H. Schulenburg Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 6:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena The advert is available online at http://jobs.tes.co..uk/job.aspx?jobId=400056 Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' ; 'Various UK Contacts' Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm told that last week's Times Educational Supplement (in the UK) carried an advertisement for teachers to come to St. Helena. The supplement is apparently not available on the Internet but if anyone can find me a copy and either scan and email it or just email me the main details I'd be most grateful. Regards, John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 2007/04/19 05:32 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070421/261094a1/attachment-0001.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Sat Apr 21 12:43:23 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Sat Apr 21 13:44:05 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com><008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq><000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> <004301c783d6$74754170$654babca@NixonTecra> Message-ID: <001f01c78401$ef9dd300$0200a8c0@dad> Eeuw...thank you for that correction John... I deserve to be saut?ed for that one! Haha! ----- Original Message ----- From: John Nixon To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Good one Rob! But how about "saught" instead of "sort"? Not being pedantic, I just trying to get it right both in English and French! John Nixon New Caledonia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070421/2828cd21/attachment.htm From john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se Sat Apr 21 21:19:12 2007 From: john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se (John Ekwall) Date: Sat Apr 21 21:19:33 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] no mail? Message-ID: <001c01c78449$fbab1200$a888fc53@TOSHIBA> Hi, I have checked all 316 members on the list - but I can't see why some of you doesn't recieve any postings. 90% of you has the same configuration for receiving mails, the rest has requested to receive the weekly digest also. John Ekwall Moderator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070421/37670589/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Sun Apr 22 01:43:50 2007 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Sun Apr 22 01:45:27 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com><008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> <000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <002e01c7846e$fc8b3900$561bf304@fmk4n> I'm intrigued. Rob G, our literary giant from the heart of Zululand, said: "In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language . . . " What the heck is a fickler, and how does it relate to the correct use of English? John Vigor WA, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob G To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Oh come on guys, (or is that being too sexist now???), I know exactly what John T was trying to say! I'm a 46 yr old white male who was born and raised in the heart of Zululand and doesn't have any issue surrounding the way we twist our tongue to get the message across... no, I'm not talking about the "French kiss" (Gawd, why they had to get the credit for that only Napoleon knows!). Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language, but nevertheless, I lay no claim to always speaking it properly - why?, simply because I love the idiosyncrasies it presents when conveyed from another's mother-tongue or when conversing with it to make sense of the situation! RobG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070421/fb14cc68/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Sun Apr 22 08:38:03 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Sun Apr 22 08:38:38 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com><008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq><000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> <002e01c7846e$fc8b3900$561bf304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <003a01c784a8$c7f0fce0$0200a8c0@dad> Hello John V, always good to hear you pipe up. Looks like you've also fallen victim to the erratic and less timeous arrival of emails some of us have experienced these last few days. Oh dear, that's the second silly error that has been pointed out to me - thanks to both John Nixon for the "saught" from my "sort" and now John V for finding the typo error! The "fickler" is meant to be "tickler" - no doubt I was in a rush to get my thoughts out that day and my finger missed the "t" next to "f". But in case you're wanting to know what I meant by the word "tickler" - I was meaning a "teaser". Anyway, like I said in my email, "I lay no claim to always speaking it properly... because I love the idiosyncrasies it presents". Goodness, I was just thinking... the word could have meant something totally different if my finger slipped left to the "f" instead!!! Then I'd end up feeling more of a French tickler would'nt I? (Ok, pun intended). Oh, before I forget (again), a long-ago neighbour/friend of yours, Dr.Drew, sends his best regards - he's asked for your email addy - would you like me to pass it forward to him? Ah, it's such a beautiful sunny Sunday morning here in Durban... and the smell of bacon and eggs being cooked in the kitchen has reached my nose... Cheers, Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena I'm intrigued. Rob G, our literary giant from the heart of Zululand, said: "In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language . . . " What the heck is a fickler, and how does it relate to the correct use of English? John Vigor WA, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob G To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Oh come on guys, (or is that being too sexist now???), I know exactly what John T was trying to say! I'm a 46 yr old white male who was born and raised in the heart of Zululand and doesn't have any issue surrounding the way we twist our tongue to get the message across... no, I'm not talking about the "French kiss" (Gawd, why they had to get the credit for that only Napoleon knows!). Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language, but nevertheless, I lay no claim to always speaking it properly - why?, simply because I love the idiosyncrasies it presents when conveyed from another's mother-tongue or when conversing with it to make sense of the situation! RobG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 2007/04/21 11:56 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070422/581d17cc/attachment-0001.htm From ghadlow at iafrica.com Sun Apr 22 11:30:03 2007 From: ghadlow at iafrica.com (Gen Hadlow) Date: Sun Apr 22 17:22:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <002e01c7846e$fc8b3900$561bf304@fmk4n> Message-ID: On 4/22/07 1:43 AM, "John and June Vigor" wrote: > > > I'm intrigued. Rob G, our literary giant from the heart of Zululand, said: > > "In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it > comes to the correct use of the English language . . . > " > What the heck is a fickler, and how does it relate to the correct use of > English? Mmmm - Maybe its Zulu for ?stickler? ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070422/ff3ebc4b/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Sun Apr 22 20:16:01 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Sun Apr 22 20:16:47 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: Message-ID: <001901c7850a$50cb0cc0$0200a8c0@dad> Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. HelenaWahaha, nice call there Gen, I doubt very much there is a descriptive word for "stickler" in Zulu, although the condition, strictly speaking, (as discovered by Dr.Stickler), hasn't seen my sight to deteriorate... yet. I don't know why I feel prompted to share this, but I will anyway... Your comment reminds me of a time I was sent into the "Bulwer" area of Kwa-Zulu Natal... I was to photographically record a cr?che of around 70 children suffering from various deformities and diseases - it was an experience I will always remember. At this cr?che, my life peeled open to the sight of dozens of abandoned children who had become outcasts because of their genetic condition. I saw kids who literally had heads the shape of "ET" and limbs longer than their bodies - phew, I thought people like these only existed as "creatures from a science fiction movie". It saddened me terribly at first, and I remember blaming my Lord for the sufferance I felt these kids must be experiencing... but then, soon after I began interacting with them, I felt a compassion, love an innocence from them I will never forget. It touched me very deeply to know that their existence formed a very integral part of life in our universe - some of it being logical, the other, incomprehensible... and THAT, was enough for me! I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in the most delicate way possible, any record of specific conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on the Island? I don't know who to pose this question to - I'm hoping we have a physician on our list (on the Island) who is knowledgeable to this effect. Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Gen Hadlow To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 4/22/07 1:43 AM, "John and June Vigor" wrote: I'm intrigued. Rob G, our literary giant from the heart of Zululand, said: "In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language . . . " What the heck is a fickler, and how does it relate to the correct use of English? Mmmm - Maybe its Zulu for "stickler" ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 2007/04/21 11:56 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070422/9e5f76ae/attachment.htm From ahs at st-helena.org Sun Apr 22 23:32:13 2007 From: ahs at st-helena.org (A.H. Schulenburg) Date: Sun Apr 22 23:32:16 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: Teachers for St. Helena) References: <001901c7850a$50cb0cc0$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <002e01c78525$b35c6710$0301a8c0@TIME2003> Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena>> I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in >> the most delicate way possible, any record of specific >> conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on the Island? The brief answer is 'yes'. The book to consult is Shine, Ian Serendipity in St. Helena: A Genetical and Medical Study of an Isolated Community (Oxford: Pergamon Press, 1970) However, I understand that the author regretted some aspects of the publication, which were insensitive to local feelings ... ! Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob G To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Wahaha, nice call there Gen, I doubt very much there is a descriptive word for "stickler" in Zulu, although the condition, strictly speaking, (as discovered by Dr.Stickler), hasn't seen my sight to deteriorate... yet. I don't know why I feel prompted to share this, but I will anyway... Your comment reminds me of a time I was sent into the "Bulwer" area of Kwa-Zulu Natal... I was to photographically record a cr?che of around 70 children suffering from various deformities and diseases - it was an experience I will always remember. At this cr?che, my life peeled open to the sight of dozens of abandoned children who had become outcasts because of their genetic condition. I saw kids who literally had heads the shape of "ET" and limbs longer than their bodies - phew, I thought people like these only existed as "creatures from a science fiction movie". It saddened me terribly at first, and I remember blaming my Lord for the sufferance I felt these kids must be experiencing... but then, soon after I began interacting with them, I felt a compassion, love an innocence from them I will never forget. It touched me very deeply to know that their existence formed a very integral part of life in our universe - some of it being logical, the other, incomprehensible... and THAT, was enough for me! I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in the most delicate way possible, any record of specific conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on the Island? I don't know who to pose this question to - I'm hoping we have a physician on our list (on the Island) who is knowledgeable to this effect. Rob G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070422/e9af6b40/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Mon Apr 23 03:40:22 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Mon Apr 23 03:40:22 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena References: <001901c7850a$50cb0cc0$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <003c01c78548$5c224dc0$6501a8c0@Pam> Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. HelenaI wondered about that or whether there was still enough movement of population to make sure that illnesses that are on the recessive genes are not multiplied ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob G To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Wahaha, nice call there Gen, I doubt very much there is a descriptive word for "stickler" in Zulu, although the condition, strictly speaking, (as discovered by Dr.Stickler), hasn't seen my sight to deteriorate... yet. I don't know why I feel prompted to share this, but I will anyway... Your comment reminds me of a time I was sent into the "Bulwer" area of Kwa-Zulu Natal... I was to photographically record a cr?che of around 70 children suffering from various deformities and diseases - it was an experience I will always remember. At this cr?che, my life peeled open to the sight of dozens of abandoned children who had become outcasts because of their genetic condition. I saw kids who literally had heads the shape of "ET" and limbs longer than their bodies - phew, I thought people like these only existed as "creatures from a science fiction movie". It saddened me terribly at first, and I remember blaming my Lord for the sufferance I felt these kids must be experiencing... but then, soon after I began interacting with them, I felt a compassion, love an innocence from them I will never forget. It touched me very deeply to know that their existence formed a very integral part of life in our universe - some of it being logical, the other, incomprehensible... and THAT, was enough for me! I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in the most delicate way possible, any record of specific conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on the Island? I don't know who to pose this question to - I'm hoping we have a physician on our list (on the Island) who is knowledgeable to this effect. Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Gen Hadlow To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena On 4/22/07 1:43 AM, "John and June Vigor" wrote: I'm intrigued. Rob G, our literary giant from the heart of Zululand, said: "In my journalistic circles, I'm known as somewhat a bit of a fickler when it comes to the correct use of the English language . . . " What the heck is a fickler, and how does it relate to the correct use of English? Mmmm - Maybe its Zulu for "stickler" ??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 2007/04/21 11:56 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070422/f4166ef6/attachment-0001.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Mon Apr 23 09:15:03 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Mon Apr 23 09:15:26 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Medical conditions In-Reply-To: <002e01c78525$b35c6710$0301a8c0@TIME2003> References: , <002e01c78525$b35c6710$0301a8c0@TIME2003> Message-ID: <462C6B07.21720.1E2A98@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 22 Apr 2007 at 22:32, A.H. Schulenburg wrote: >> I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in >> the most delicate way possible, any record of specific >> conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on the Island? > > The brief answer is 'yes'... So what are they? Come on, we're all on tenterhooks to hear! Nice to see some real meaty messages on the list... Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From nanystrom at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 16:35:01 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Mon Apr 23 16:35:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Medical conditions In-Reply-To: <462C6B07.21720.1E2A98@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <313235.69112.qm@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> I agree. My mother is native to St. Helena and I would also like to know what those diseases and conditions are. She has never mentioned anything along these lines but I will check with her this week. There are eleven children in her family and the majority of her siblings and also my mother are diabetic. Is diabetes common among Saints? Do you know anything about this topic Tessa? Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Thomas Goodey wrote: > On 22 Apr 2007 at 22:32, A.H. Schulenburg wrote: > > >> I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in > >> the most delicate way possible, any record of > specific > >> conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on the > Island? > > > > The brief answer is 'yes'... > > So what are they? Come on, we're all on tenterhooks > to hear! > > Nice to see some real meaty messages on the list... > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se Mon Apr 23 20:51:46 2007 From: john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se (John Ekwall) Date: Mon Apr 23 21:08:19 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Size above 100kBs Message-ID: <001d01c785da$b34867a0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> does now matters - it will be automatic rejected! Posting up to this limit (including digest) will just go thru. Greetings from Sweden John Ekwall Moderator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070423/62043d02/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Mon Apr 23 20:48:43 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Mon Apr 23 21:17:36 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: Teachers for St. Helena) References: <001901c7850a$50cb0cc0$0200a8c0@dad> <002e01c78525$b35c6710$0301a8c0@TIME2003> Message-ID: <013701c785db$fc144f70$0200a8c0@dad> Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. HelenaThank you Alexander, A search on Google found me at least 40 references under the phrase, "Serendipity in St.Helena". I must admit that although much of it is cited in medical terms, it does make for interesting reading. It clearly, nevertheless, gives me a good idea of the depth Shine's research went into and what he revealed - it's absolutely fascinating. I can only surmise it must have been a huge challenge for him to perform such an in-depth study, especially in such a confined populous without touching a senstive spot along the way. In terms of those living with radical deformities on the island, all I can hope for is that they are looked after with lots of care and understanding - it must be very difficult for family members putting up with the social stigmas that often attach themselves to serious conditions. But I believe all that can be overcome - and I've seen it happen. Through positive awareness campaigns and the introduction of education into life sciences, to the effect that it exposes and explains these little known facts of life into the community. Yes, I feel that while it's certain there will be those who are affected directly by any outcome of research, they are generally, well afforded being "compus mentos" to the situation. On a lighter note, Nissa has just mentioned 11 siblings with the majority having the "pissing evil"... gawd, what a title for such an uninvited foe! Now what on earth could have introduced such a genetic calamity across so many family members from St.Helena? Surely not a sneeze!?! Anyway, thanks again for your input Alexander! Regards, Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: A.H. Schulenburg To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:32 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: Teachers for St. Helena) >> I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in >> the most delicate way possible, any record of specific >> conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on the Island? The brief answer is 'yes'. The book to consult is Shine, Ian Serendipity in St. Helena: A Genetical and Medical Study of an Isolated Community (Oxford: Pergamon Press, 1970) However, I understand that the author regretted some aspects of the publication, which were insensitive to local feelings ... ! Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob G To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena Wahaha, nice call there Gen, I doubt very much there is a descriptive word for "stickler" in Zulu, although the condition, strictly speaking, (as discovered by Dr.Stickler), hasn't seen my sight to deteriorate... yet. I don't know why I feel prompted to share this, but I will anyway... Your comment reminds me of a time I was sent into the "Bulwer" area of Kwa-Zulu Natal... I was to photographically record a cr?che of around 70 children suffering from various deformities and diseases - it was an experience I will always remember. At this cr?che, my life peeled open to the sight of dozens of abandoned children who had become outcasts because of their genetic condition. I saw kids who literally had heads the shape of "ET" and limbs longer than their bodies - phew, I thought people like these only existed as "creatures from a science fiction movie". It saddened me terribly at first, and I remember blaming my Lord for the sufferance I felt these kids must be experiencing... but then, soon after I began interacting with them, I felt a compassion, love an innocence from them I will never forget. It touched me very deeply to know that their existence formed a very integral part of life in our universe - some of it being logical, the other, incomprehensible... and THAT, was enough for me! I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in the most delicate way possible, any record of specific conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on the Island? I don't know who to pose this question to - I'm hoping we have a physician on our list (on the Island) who is knowledgeable to this effect. Rob G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 2007/04/21 11:56 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070423/1c01d916/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Mon Apr 23 21:27:36 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Mon Apr 23 21:27:59 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Size above 100kBs References: <001d01c785da$b34867a0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <014901c785dd$73cfe6e0$0200a8c0@dad> Hmm, does that mean only 100 characters? I confess, I'm totally oblivious to how much text that allows for. Haha, maybe it's a measure you've imposed to keep my wafflings to a minimum! Don't worry, my input on a listing like this is sporadic... no, more like the tide - I "moon" when the sun doesn't shine. Best regards, RobG ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:51 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Size above 100kBs does now matters - it will be automatic rejected! Posting up to this limit (including digest) will just go thru. Greetings from Sweden John Ekwall Moderator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 2007/04/21 11:56 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070423/1eba38f0/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 23:28:14 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Mon Apr 23 23:49:31 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: Teachers for St. Helena) In-Reply-To: <013701c785db$fc144f70$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <924410.83712.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Rob, Just and FYI =-) Tessa sent a message to my employee e-mail stating that diabetes and high blood pressure are prevalent within the Saint population. Whatever genetic trait it was that carried throughout my mother's family (my grandmother, my mother and most of her 11 siblings) it has not presented in me or any of my 5 siblings--yet. However, there is still the chance that any of us could develop type 2 somewhere down the line as that is how my mother's diabetic condition presented at the age of 41. I am praying that will not be the case! It is a terrible disease to manage. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: > Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. HelenaThank you > Alexander, > > A search on Google found me at least 40 references > under the phrase, "Serendipity in St.Helena". I must > admit that although much of it is cited in medical > terms, it does make for interesting reading. It > clearly, nevertheless, gives me a good idea of the > depth Shine's research went into and what he > revealed - it's absolutely fascinating. > > I can only surmise it must have been a huge > challenge for him to perform such an in-depth study, > especially in such a confined populous without > touching a senstive spot along the way. > > In terms of those living with radical deformities on > the island, all I can hope for is that they are > looked after with lots of care and understanding - > it must be very difficult for family members putting > up with the social stigmas that often attach > themselves to serious conditions. But I believe all > that can be overcome - and I've seen it happen. > Through positive awareness campaigns and the > introduction of education into life sciences, to the > effect that it exposes and explains these little > known facts of life into the community. Yes, I feel > that while it's certain there will be those who are > affected directly by any outcome of research, they > are generally, well afforded being "compus mentos" > to the situation. > > On a lighter note, Nissa has just mentioned 11 > siblings with the majority having the "pissing > evil"... gawd, what a title for such an uninvited > foe! Now what on earth could have introduced such a > genetic calamity across so many family members from > St.Helena? Surely not a sneeze!?! > > Anyway, thanks again for your input Alexander! > > Regards, > Rob G > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: A.H. Schulenburg > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:32 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: > Teachers for St. Helena) > > > >> I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this > in > >> the most delicate way possible, any record of > specific > >> conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on > the Island? > > The brief answer is 'yes'. The book to consult is > > Shine, Ian Serendipity in St. Helena: A Genetical > and Medical Study of an Isolated Community (Oxford: > Pergamon Press, 1970) > > However, I understand that the author regretted > some aspects of the publication, which were > insensitive to local feelings ... ! > > Regards, > Alexander > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob G > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > > > Wahaha, nice call there Gen, I doubt very much > there is a descriptive word for "stickler" in Zulu, > although the condition, strictly speaking, (as > discovered by Dr.Stickler), hasn't seen my sight to > deteriorate... yet. > > I don't know why I feel prompted to share this, > but I will anyway... Your comment reminds me of a > time I was sent into the "Bulwer" area of Kwa-Zulu > Natal... I was to photographically record a cr?che > of around 70 children suffering from various > deformities and diseases - it was an experience I > will always remember. At this cr?che, my life peeled > open to the sight of dozens of abandoned children > who had become outcasts because of their genetic > condition. I saw kids who literally had heads the > shape of "ET" and limbs longer than their bodies - > phew, I thought people like these only existed as > "creatures from a science fiction movie". It > saddened me terribly at first, and I remember > blaming my Lord for the sufferance I felt these kids > must be experiencing... but then, soon after I began > interacting with them, I felt a compassion, love an > innocence from them I will never forget. It touched > me very deeply to know that their existence formed a > very integral part of life in our universe - some of > it being logical, the other, incomprehensible... and > THAT, was enough for me! > > I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in > the most delicate way possible, any record of > specific conditions or diseases out of the ordinary > on the Island? I don't know who to pose this > question to - I'm hoping we have a physician on our > list (on the Island) who is knowledgeable to this > effect. > > Rob G > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm > mail. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - > Release Date: 2007/04/21 11:56 AM > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From takkies at mighty.co.za Tue Apr 24 01:27:22 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Tue Apr 24 01:28:03 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: Teachers for St. Helena) References: <924410.83712.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01f501c785fe$f89e2690$0200a8c0@dad> Hi Nissa, Please forgive my ignorance or inability to comprehend... but why did Tessa send an email to your employee stating diabetes and high blood pressure was prevalent in St.Helena? Is Tessa a relative or doctor of yours? Well, I'm glad to hear you haven't been affected (let's hope never!), although I do understand you could develop a type 2 condition - even that is bad enough. That was, incidentally, what my doctor thought I was experiencing a year ago with high blood pressures and clamminess. But thankfully, that turned out to be a side effect of certain anti-depressants I was taking at the time. I would love to have studied medical science (sadly my grades at school did not deserved the opportunity), but my general interest in the operations and makeup of the human body always leave me dumbstruck. Amidst all that, is the fact our spirit inhabits a city of complexity which posseses perhaps more highways and junctions than all those put together on our planet and that the speed limit is governed by our heart. If there is any deciding factor for a reason to exist despite any "condition" we may live with, it would be by the beat of our heart. Phew, where did all that deep and philosophical talk come from??? Ah, must be the conjak I'm sipping on - not a very expensive one I might add, but effective... Well, let's hope that St.Helena has sufficient reserves of insulin for tourists suffering from type 1 diabetes should they lose their stock in transit - it would be devastating otherwise! RobG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nissa Nystrom" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: Teachers for St. Helena) > Hi Rob, > > Just and FYI =-) Tessa sent a message to my employee > e-mail stating that diabetes and high blood pressure > are prevalent within the Saint population. Whatever > genetic trait it was that carried throughout my > mother's family (my grandmother, my mother and most of > her 11 siblings) it has not presented in me or any of > my 5 siblings--yet. However, there is still the > chance that any of us could develop type 2 somewhere > down the line as that is how my mother's diabetic > condition presented at the age of 41. I am praying > that will not be the case! It is a terrible disease > to manage. > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > --- Rob G wrote: > >> Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. HelenaThank you >> Alexander, >> >> A search on Google found me at least 40 references >> under the phrase, "Serendipity in St.Helena". I must >> admit that although much of it is cited in medical >> terms, it does make for interesting reading. It >> clearly, nevertheless, gives me a good idea of the >> depth Shine's research went into and what he >> revealed - it's absolutely fascinating. >> >> I can only surmise it must have been a huge >> challenge for him to perform such an in-depth study, >> especially in such a confined populous without >> touching a senstive spot along the way. >> >> In terms of those living with radical deformities on >> the island, all I can hope for is that they are >> looked after with lots of care and understanding - >> it must be very difficult for family members putting >> up with the social stigmas that often attach >> themselves to serious conditions. But I believe all >> that can be overcome - and I've seen it happen. >> Through positive awareness campaigns and the >> introduction of education into life sciences, to the >> effect that it exposes and explains these little >> known facts of life into the community. Yes, I feel >> that while it's certain there will be those who are >> affected directly by any outcome of research, they >> are generally, well afforded being "compus mentos" >> to the situation. >> >> On a lighter note, Nissa has just mentioned 11 >> siblings with the majority having the "pissing >> evil"... gawd, what a title for such an uninvited >> foe! Now what on earth could have introduced such a >> genetic calamity across so many family members from >> St.Helena? Surely not a sneeze!?! >> >> Anyway, thanks again for your input Alexander! >> >> Regards, >> Rob G >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: A.H. Schulenburg >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >> Atlantic(Eng) >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:32 AM >> Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: >> Teachers for St. Helena) >> >> >> >> I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this >> in >> >> the most delicate way possible, any record of >> specific >> >> conditions or diseases out of the ordinary on >> the Island? >> >> The brief answer is 'yes'. The book to consult is >> >> Shine, Ian Serendipity in St. Helena: A Genetical >> and Medical Study of an Isolated Community (Oxford: >> Pergamon Press, 1970) >> >> However, I understand that the author regretted >> some aspects of the publication, which were >> insensitive to local feelings ... ! >> >> Regards, >> Alexander >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rob G >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >> Atlantic(Eng) >> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena >> >> >> Wahaha, nice call there Gen, I doubt very much >> there is a descriptive word for "stickler" in Zulu, >> although the condition, strictly speaking, (as >> discovered by Dr.Stickler), hasn't seen my sight to >> deteriorate... yet. >> >> I don't know why I feel prompted to share this, >> but I will anyway... Your comment reminds me of a >> time I was sent into the "Bulwer" area of Kwa-Zulu >> Natal... I was to photographically record a cr?che >> of around 70 children suffering from various >> deformities and diseases - it was an experience I >> will always remember. At this cr?che, my life peeled >> open to the sight of dozens of abandoned children >> who had become outcasts because of their genetic >> condition. I saw kids who literally had heads the >> shape of "ET" and limbs longer than their bodies - >> phew, I thought people like these only existed as >> "creatures from a science fiction movie". It >> saddened me terribly at first, and I remember >> blaming my Lord for the sufferance I felt these kids >> must be experiencing... but then, soon after I began >> interacting with them, I felt a compassion, love an >> innocence from them I will never forget. It touched >> me very deeply to know that their existence formed a >> very integral part of life in our universe - some of >> it being logical, the other, incomprehensible... and >> THAT, was enough for me! >> >> I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask this in >> the most delicate way possible, any record of >> specific conditions or diseases out of the ordinary >> on the Island? I don't know who to pose this >> question to - I'm hoping we have a physician on our >> list (on the Island) who is knowledgeable to this >> effect. >> >> Rob G >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm >> mail. >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - >> Release Date: 2007/04/21 11:56 AM >> > The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 2007/04/21 > 11:56 AM > > From John at BurghHouse.com Tue Apr 24 12:21:16 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Tue Apr 24 12:28:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <313235.69112.qm@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> References: <462C6B07.21720.1E2A98@thomas.flyingkettle.com> <313235.69112.qm@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c7865a$4e3c1ed0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> The following is a non-expert view, but it may help in understanding the island. It is correct that there is a high prevalence of diabetes here, but I'm not sure that the root cause is genetic. The diet here is currently poor because much of the imported food is high in sugar and salt, both of which are cheap natural preservatives. Even imported beef burgers have sugar in them! That means people who have grown up here tend to expect things to taste sweet and/or salty, and so tend to put lots of salt and sugar on their food. It was the same in the UK when I was growing up (60s/70s). All the 'modern' packet foods contained heaps of preservatives, to give them a longer shelf-life. We got used to the taste and I myself had to wean myself off having two spoonfuls of sugar in my tea (I did this by becoming a student and economised on sugar to have more to spend on other things; like - um - well, let's be honest: beer). The solution ought to be to eat fresh local produce, but as so many of the local farmers have been forced out of business by the cheaper, sugar & salt laden imports, it isn't that easy. Our locally produced food is great - when you can get it. Many people grow their own fruit and vegetables, and there is a little barter, but not enough to guarantee a regular supply to others. The Burgh House chicken-house should be built this week and our raised beds for vegetable cultivation are next ..... So if the diet is so bad, why do so many Saints live well into their 90s? I suspect it is because they grew up on the old pre-import diet, with lots of fish and fresh local produce. And why so many children? Well, television didn't arrive here until 1998 ....... John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: 23 April 2007 14:35 To: thomas@flyingkettle.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Medical conditions I agree. My mother is native to St. Helena and I would also like to know what those diseases and conditions are. She has never mentioned anything along these lines but I will check with her this week. There are eleven children in her family and the majority of her siblings and also my mother are diabetic. Is diabetes common among Saints? Do you know anything about this topic Tessa? Nissa Fargo, ND USA From nanystrom at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:40:52 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Tue Apr 24 15:41:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000001c7865a$4e3c1ed0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <967686.48073.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi John, I spent some time with my mother last night as we had both received pictures from her sister in the U.K. and wanted to see what the other had received. I asked her about the prevalence of diabetes on the island and she gave me an almost exact explaination to the one you have written here! She said there was very little fresh produce or "greens" available on the island when she was a child and the diet consisted of a lot of starches and carbohydrates i.e. rice, potatoes, high sugar and salt content, etc. She too had to wean herself of her sugar addiction when she left St. Helena for the U.K. She did say though, that there may also be a predisposition to the development of diabetes within that population as there is with many Native American tribes in the U.S. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- John Turner wrote: > The following is a non-expert view, but it may help > in understanding the > island. > > It is correct that there is a high prevalence of > diabetes here, but I'm not > sure that the root cause is genetic. > > The diet here is currently poor because much of the > imported food is high in > sugar and salt, both of which are cheap natural > preservatives. Even > imported beef burgers have sugar in them! That > means people who have grown > up here tend to expect things to taste sweet and/or > salty, and so tend to > put lots of salt and sugar on their food. > > It was the same in the UK when I was growing up > (60s/70s). All the 'modern' > packet foods contained heaps of preservatives, to > give them a longer > shelf-life. We got used to the taste and I myself > had to wean myself off > having two spoonfuls of sugar in my tea (I did this > by becoming a student > and economised on sugar to have more to spend on > other things; like - um - > well, let's be honest: beer). > > The solution ought to be to eat fresh local produce, > but as so many of the > local farmers have been forced out of business by > the cheaper, sugar & salt > laden imports, it isn't that easy. Our locally > produced food is great - > when you can get it. Many people grow their own > fruit and vegetables, and > there is a little barter, but not enough to > guarantee a regular supply to > others. The Burgh House chicken-house should be > built this week and our > raised beds for vegetable cultivation are next ..... > > So if the diet is so bad, why do so many Saints live > well into their 90s? I > suspect it is because they grew up on the old > pre-import diet, with lots of > fish and fresh local produce. > > And why so many children? Well, television didn't > arrive here until 1998 > ....... > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island > of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any > attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended > recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access > to this by anyone else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication > in error or are not the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, > distribution, copying of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to > be taken in reliance on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by > reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Nissa Nystrom > Sent: 23 April 2007 14:35 > To: thomas@flyingkettle.com; All about St. Helena - > The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Medical conditions > > I agree. My mother is native to St. Helena and I > would also like to know > what those diseases and conditions are. She has > never mentioned anything > along these lines but I will check with her this > week. > There are eleven children in her family and the > majority of her siblings > and also my mother are diabetic. Is diabetes common > among Saints? Do you > know anything about this topic Tessa? > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nanystrom at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 16:04:57 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Tue Apr 24 16:05:28 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: Teachers for St. Helena) In-Reply-To: <01f501c785fe$f89e2690$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <775495.26320.qm@web54511.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rob, No problem. In explaination to your question, since meeting on the list roughly 2 - 2 1/2 years ago, Tessa and I have developed a wonderful friendship. We converse via e-mail on a weekly basis and often not through the list as some of our conversations are on a more personal level. Hence, we utilize our respective company e-mail (employee e-mail)as we are both usually at work for the better part of our day Monday - Friday. We have concluded that we may be distantly related through marriage. We are both connected to the Caswell family on the island -- My mother's maiden name being Caswell and Tessa having an uncle in the Caswell clan as well. We are the same age (35) with I believe, two weeks between our birthdays and have much in common. She is very dear to me. Back to the diabetes discussion -- I watch my weight like a hawk, excercise and try to eat a low fat, low sugar/ salt diet with plenty of veggies. If that doesn't spare me the dreaded family disease, I guess we can safely conclude, it is a genetic predisposition. We will all have to wait and see. I think I may have just signed up to be the list's medical guinea pig of sorts! ha ha ha Have a great day! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: > Hi Nissa, > > Please forgive my ignorance or inability to > comprehend... but why did Tessa > send an email to your employee stating diabetes and > high blood pressure was > prevalent in St.Helena? Is Tessa a relative or > doctor of yours? > > Well, I'm glad to hear you haven't been affected > (let's hope never!), > although I do understand you could develop a type 2 > condition - even that is > bad enough. That was, incidentally, what my doctor > thought I was > experiencing a year ago with high blood pressures > and clamminess. But > thankfully, that turned out to be a side effect of > certain anti-depressants > I was taking at the time. > > I would love to have studied medical science (sadly > my grades at school did > not deserved the opportunity), but my general > interest in the operations and > makeup of the human body always leave me dumbstruck. > Amidst all that, is the > fact our spirit inhabits a city of complexity which > posseses perhaps more > highways and junctions than all those put together > on our planet and that > the speed limit is governed by our heart. If there > is any deciding factor > for a reason to exist despite any "condition" we may > live with, it would be > by the beat of our heart. > > Phew, where did all that deep and philosophical talk > come from??? Ah, must > be the conjak I'm sipping on - not a very expensive > one I might add, but > effective... > > Well, let's hope that St.Helena has sufficient > reserves of insulin for > tourists suffering from type 1 diabetes should they > lose their stock in > transit - it would be devastating otherwise! > > RobG > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nissa Nystrom" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:28 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions (was: > Teachers for St. > Helena) > > > > Hi Rob, > > > > Just and FYI =-) Tessa sent a message to my > employee > > e-mail stating that diabetes and high blood > pressure > > are prevalent within the Saint population. > Whatever > > genetic trait it was that carried throughout my > > mother's family (my grandmother, my mother and > most of > > her 11 siblings) it has not presented in me or any > of > > my 5 siblings--yet. However, there is still the > > chance that any of us could develop type 2 > somewhere > > down the line as that is how my mother's diabetic > > condition presented at the age of 41. I am > praying > > that will not be the case! It is a terrible > disease > > to manage. > > > > Nissa > > Fargo, ND USA > > --- Rob G wrote: > > > >> Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. HelenaThank you > >> Alexander, > >> > >> A search on Google found me at least 40 > references > >> under the phrase, "Serendipity in St.Helena". I > must > >> admit that although much of it is cited in > medical > >> terms, it does make for interesting reading. It > >> clearly, nevertheless, gives me a good idea of > the > >> depth Shine's research went into and what he > >> revealed - it's absolutely fascinating. > >> > >> I can only surmise it must have been a huge > >> challenge for him to perform such an in-depth > study, > >> especially in such a confined populous without > >> touching a senstive spot along the way. > >> > >> In terms of those living with radical deformities > on > >> the island, all I can hope for is that they are > >> looked after with lots of care and understanding > - > >> it must be very difficult for family members > putting > >> up with the social stigmas that often attach > >> themselves to serious conditions. But I believe > all > >> that can be overcome - and I've seen it happen. > >> Through positive awareness campaigns and the > >> introduction of education into life sciences, to > the > >> effect that it exposes and explains these little > >> known facts of life into the community. Yes, I > feel > >> that while it's certain there will be those who > are > >> affected directly by any outcome of research, > they > >> are generally, well afforded being "compus > mentos" > >> to the situation. > >> > >> On a lighter note, Nissa has just mentioned 11 > >> siblings with the majority having the "pissing > >> evil"... gawd, what a title for such an uninvited > >> foe! Now what on earth could have introduced such > a > >> genetic calamity across so many family members > from > >> St.Helena? Surely not a sneeze!?! > >> > >> Anyway, thanks again for your input Alexander! > >> > >> Regards, > >> Rob G > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: A.H. Schulenburg > >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > >> Atlantic(Eng) > >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:32 AM > >> Subject: [STHELENA] Re: medical conditions > (was: > >> Teachers for St. Helena) > >> > >> > >> >> I'm wondering now, has Helena, and I ask > this > >> in > >> >> the most delicate way possible, any record > of > >> specific > >> >> conditions or diseases out of the ordinary > on > >> the Island? > >> > >> The brief answer is 'yes'. The book to consult > is > >> > >> Shine, Ian Serendipity in St. Helena: A > Genetical > >> and Medical Study of an Isolated Community > (Oxford: > >> Pergamon Press, 1970) > >> > >> However, I understand that the author regretted > >> some aspects of the publication, which were > >> insensitive to local feelings ... ! > >> > >> Regards, > >> Alexander > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Rob G > >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > >> Atlantic(Eng) > >> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:16 PM > >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena > >> > >> > >> Wahaha, nice call there Gen, I doubt very much > >> there is a descriptive word for "stickler" in > Zulu, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 18:24:13 2007 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Tue Apr 24 18:24:46 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <967686.48073.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <967686.48073.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Apr 24, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Nissa Nystrom wrote: > She did say though, that there > may also be a predisposition to the development of > diabetes within that population as there is with many > Native American tribes in the U.S. The trend toward diabetes in Native American populations has been linked to radical dietary change. There's not a history of diabetes in those populations before the current diet. Conversely, traits that protect some European descendants from the effects of their diet may simply be lacking in Native American populations, leading to genetic exacerbation of what's fundamentally a failure in diet. Take care, Chris From nanystrom at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 18:45:28 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Tue Apr 24 18:45:59 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <766547.89874.qm@web54514.mail.yahoo.com> True! You stated it better than I. The Native American diet(pre-European cuisine)did not include the high carbohydrate, salt and sugar content that it does now. With that considered, evolution, in all likelihood, did not provide them with the genetic traits which would enable them to efficiently metabolize the foods that comprise their diet today. Perhaps, the word "predisposition" doesn't quite fit the definition when used to describe the reason for rampant diabetes in Native Americans (also African Americans) but it was my valliant attempt to find the right word! Thanks Chris. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- "Christopher D. Lewis" wrote: > > On Apr 24, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Nissa Nystrom wrote: > > > She did say though, that there > > may also be a predisposition to the development of > > diabetes within that population as there is with > many > > Native American tribes in the U.S. > > The trend toward diabetes in Native American > populations has been > linked to radical dietary change. There's not a > history of diabetes > in those populations before the current diet. > Conversely, traits > that protect some European descendants from the > effects of their diet > may simply be lacking in Native American > populations, leading to > genetic exacerbation of what's fundamentally a > failure in diet. > Take care, > Chris > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From: "BUD ANGELA PETTIGREW" Subject: [STHELENA] Hello Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:57:29 +0000 Size: 2621 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070424/7cb81702/attachment.eml From nanystrom at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 21:05:52 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Tue Apr 24 21:06:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <682687.87325.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bud! Welcome to the list. If you stay connected to the list on a regular basis you will learn who everyone is pretty quickly. There are some pretty strong and interesting personalities here! Enjoy! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- BUD ANGELA PETTIGREW wrote: > Hello my name is Bud Pettigrew. I am a high school > history teacher in Valentine Nebraska USA. This town > is around 3000 people. The high school has around > 250 students. Valentine is my home town. I am > around 200 miles from the Black hills of South > Dakota. I hope you can tell me about yourselfs. > > Bud Pettigrew > 634 North Wood Street > Valentine Nebraska 69201 > anbpettigrew@msn.com > 402-376-1708> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anbpettigrew at msn.com Tue Apr 24 21:43:28 2007 From: anbpettigrew at msn.com (BUD ANGELA PETTIGREW) Date: Tue Apr 24 21:43:55 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Hello References: <042420071903.25982.462E549100030CF90000657E219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hello great to hear from some one. Yes I am very interested in St. Helena. Ever since I was 7 years old and read a children's book on Napoleon. Now I am 46 and I teach High history and geography. I am very interested in know new information to give to my students. I will be full of questions. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: cplowe@mchsi.com To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Hello Hi Bud and welcome to the list. It is good to have new folk join. Are you interested in ST Helena? Pam > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070424/5636552b/attachment.htm From anbpettigrew at msn.com Tue Apr 24 21:44:55 2007 From: anbpettigrew at msn.com (BUD ANGELA PETTIGREW) Date: Tue Apr 24 21:45:10 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Hello References: <682687.87325.qm@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey thanks for writing. I am looking fore ward to it. Write and tell me more. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Nissa Nystrom To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Hello Hi Bud! Welcome to the list. If you stay connected to the list on a regular basis you will learn who everyone is pretty quickly. There are some pretty strong and interesting personalities here! Enjoy! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- BUD ANGELA PETTIGREW > wrote: > Hello my name is Bud Pettigrew. I am a high school > history teacher in Valentine Nebraska USA. This town > is around 3000 people. The high school has around > 250 students. Valentine is my home town. I am > around 200 miles from the Black hills of South > Dakota. I hope you can tell me about yourselfs. > > Bud Pettigrew > 634 North Wood Street > Valentine Nebraska 69201 > anbpettigrew@msn.com> > 402-376-1708> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070424/e22f3969/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 00:29:11 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Wed Apr 25 00:30:07 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <959836.31270.qm@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> Hello again Bud, I am going to try and keep my description of "the list" as short and to the point as possible. The list, in my opinion, is probably the best source of current information and discussion centered around the island of St. Helena on the net. People comprising the list are people living on the island presently, people intending to visit the island at some point in their life-time, people who have a great fascination with island (i.e. Napolean's home after exile), people with familial roots on the island or all of the above . If you are seeking specific information to share with your students chances are someone on this list has it or will assist you in finding it. It is an extremely knowledgeable group! If you enjoy a good debate or have something to share or would like to discuss something about St. Helena, you have come to the right place! I hope that gives you enough info. to get you started. Best Regards, Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- BUD ANGELA PETTIGREW wrote: > Hey thanks for writing. I am looking fore ward to > it. Write and tell me more. > Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nissa Nystrom > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Hello > > > Hi Bud! > > Welcome to the list. If you stay connected to the > list on a regular basis you will learn who > everyone is > pretty quickly. There are some pretty strong and > interesting personalities here! Enjoy! > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > --- BUD ANGELA PETTIGREW > > > wrote: > > > Hello my name is Bud Pettigrew. I am a high > school > > history teacher in Valentine Nebraska USA. This > town > > is around 3000 people. The high school has > around > > 250 students. Valentine is my home town. I am > > around 200 miles from the Black hills of South > > Dakota. I hope you can tell me about yourselfs. > > > > > Bud Pettigrew > > 634 North Wood Street > > Valentine Nebraska 69201 > > > anbpettigrew@msn.com> > > 402-376-1708> The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > > list-leave@sthelena.se > and answer the confirm mail. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se > and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From vmawson at iprimus.com.au Wed Apr 25 01:20:27 2007 From: vmawson at iprimus.com.au (Vivienne Mawson) Date: Wed Apr 25 01:20:16 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children In-Reply-To: <000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <26b61496d1fefa10b77aafe13f8ad1e4@iprimus.com.au> I'm a (mostly silent) member of the SH list. I've only just caught up with the discussion on English, and don't want to stir that pot again! But as someone with a long connection to St Helena (where my parents lived for some 30 years) and even longer experience in teaching English (mainly to scientists and university students, but latterly children), I thought I would suggest something positive John Turner and others could do to help the children to read and write the language better. Saints can readily switch between the St Helena pidgin (which is derived from London English and maritime English principally) and formal English, but they lack practice in the latter. Reading to them is a pleasant and effective way of helping them. Not only does it encourage enthusiasm for reading, but the children also absorb the patterns and sounds of the language. Of course this is supplemented by the children reading to you (preferably one-on-one or in small groups). Other volunteers might also be willing to give a hour or so once a week. I can't imagine that the teachers and Education Department would not be fully supportive; this practice has been adopted in the many countries where reading and writing standards have dropped so alarmingly. When I examined the school and main libraries (many years ago) I found the books were rather old, though so well cared for that the children rarely took them home with them. I don't know whether this situation has improved, but if the Education Department agreed, perhaps members of this list could send copies of children's books (in good condition) to St Helena? Vivienne Mawson, PhD (English),MLS (Library Science) Tasmania, Australia From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Wed Apr 25 06:23:38 2007 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Wed Apr 25 06:22:20 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena References: <462C6B07.21720.1E2A98@thomas.flyingkettle.com><313235.69112.qm@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> <000001c7865a$4e3c1ed0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <000601c786f1$8004ff80$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> When I lived on St. Helena from 1967-69, there was enough fresh vegetable produce to support a thriving local vegetable market (Bargo's, if anyone remembers): whatever happened to those growers? There was also good local meat available, with at least one animal being killed just about every week. My then wife bought both meat and vegetables without difficulty from these sources - it seems things have changed a lot since then. There was an occasional shortfall in supply, but not often enough to be a serious problem. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena > The following is a non-expert view, but it may help in understanding the > island. > > It is correct that there is a high prevalence of diabetes here, but I'm > not > sure that the root cause is genetic. > > The diet here is currently poor because much of the imported food is high > in > sugar and salt, both of which are cheap natural preservatives. Even > imported beef burgers have sugar in them! That means people who have > grown > up here tend to expect things to taste sweet and/or salty, and so tend to > put lots of salt and sugar on their food. > > It was the same in the UK when I was growing up (60s/70s). All the > 'modern' > packet foods contained heaps of preservatives, to give them a longer > shelf-life. We got used to the taste and I myself had to wean myself off > having two spoonfuls of sugar in my tea (I did this by becoming a student > and economised on sugar to have more to spend on other things; like - um - > well, let's be honest: beer). > > The solution ought to be to eat fresh local produce, but as so many of the > local farmers have been forced out of business by the cheaper, sugar & > salt > laden imports, it isn't that easy. Our locally produced food is great - > when you can get it. Many people grow their own fruit and vegetables, and > there is a little barter, but not enough to guarantee a regular supply to > others. The Burgh House chicken-house should be built this week and our > raised beds for vegetable cultivation are next ..... > > So if the diet is so bad, why do so many Saints live well into their 90s? > I > suspect it is because they grew up on the old pre-import diet, with lots > of > fish and fresh local produce. > > And why so many children? Well, television didn't arrive here until 1998 > ....... > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Nissa Nystrom > Sent: 23 April 2007 14:35 > To: thomas@flyingkettle.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Medical conditions > > I agree. My mother is native to St. Helena and I would also like to know > what those diseases and conditions are. She has never mentioned anything > along these lines but I will check with her this week. > There are eleven children in her family and the majority of her siblings > and also my mother are diabetic. Is diabetes common among Saints? Do you > know anything about this topic Tessa? > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From prporter1 at aim.com Wed Apr 25 06:53:47 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Wed Apr 25 06:54:16 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000601c786f1$8004ff80$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> References: <462C6B07.21720.1E2A98@thomas.flyingkettle.com><313235.69112.qm@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> <000001c7865a$4e3c1ed0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <000601c786f1$8004ff80$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> Message-ID: <8C9550CD812312F-1A68-80A6@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> Wow! I bet if I opened up a potatoe chip and ice cream stand, I'd make a million $ in S H > The following is a non-expert view, but it may help in understanding the > island. > > It is correct that there is a high prevalence of diabetes here, but I'm > not > sure that the root cause is genetic. > > The diet here is currently poor because much of the imported food is high > in > sugar and salt, both of which are cheap natural preservatives. Even > imported beef burgers have sugar in them! That means people who have > grown > up here tend to expect things to taste sweet and/or salty, and so tend to > put lots of salt and sugar on their food. > > It was the same in the UK when I was growing up (60s/70s). All the > 'modern' > packet foods contained heaps of preservatives, to give them a longer > shelf-life. We got used to the taste and I myself had to wean myself off > having two spoonfuls of sugar in my tea (I did this by becoming a student > and economised on sugar to have more to spend on other things; like - um - > well, let's be honest: beer). > > The solution ought to be to eat fresh local produce, but as so many of the > local farmers have been forced out of business by the cheaper, sugar & > salt > laden imports, it isn't that easy. Our locally produced food is great - > when you can get it. Many people grow their own fruit and vegetables, and > there is a little barter, but not enough to guarantee a regular supply to > others. The Burgh House chicken-house should be built this week and our > raised beds for vegetable cultivation are next ..... > > So if the diet is so bad, why do so many Saints live well into their 90s? > I > suspect it is because they grew up on the old pre-import diet, with lots > of > fish and fresh local produce. > > And why so many children? Well, television didn't arrive here until 1998 > ....... > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Nissa Nystrom > Sent: 23 April 2007 14:35 > To: thomas@flyingkettle.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Medical conditions > > I agree. My mother is native to St. Helena and I would also like to know > what those diseases and conditions are. She has never mentioned anything > along these lines but I will check with her this week. > There are eleven children in her family and the majority of her siblings > and also my mother are diabetic. Is diabetes common among Saints? Do you > know anything about this topic Tessa? > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070425/d673d128/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 26 10:46:43 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 26 10:49:45 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children In-Reply-To: <26b61496d1fefa10b77aafe13f8ad1e4@iprimus.com.au> References: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45><7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com><000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <26b61496d1fefa10b77aafe13f8ad1e4@iprimus.com.au> Message-ID: <000001c787df$6e22f530$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Vivienne It's a good idea but I suspect the tradition of reading stories to children has suffered here as elsewhere from the fact that parents are busy and sitting the kids in front of the TV is less effort. We still read to our children, even though they can now read for themselves, but nowhere near as much as parents used to before the video age. On the subject of reading, when we were first here my mother used to go most mornings to a primary school to listen to the children reading. The aim was for them to practice their reading (she didn't teach - she just listened and helped them with words they couldn't pronounce) and it allowed the class teacher to concentrate on other activities, perhaps with the better readers or those that were far behind. That practice was suddenly stopped with no explanation given. I never found out why, but suspect it was another 'education reform'. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Vivienne Mawson Sent: 24 April 2007 23:20 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children I'm a (mostly silent) member of the SH list. I've only just caught up with the discussion on English, and don't want to stir that pot again! But as someone with a long connection to St Helena (where my parents lived for some 30 years) and even longer experience in teaching English (mainly to scientists and university students, but latterly children), I thought I would suggest something positive John Turner and others could do to help the children to read and write the language better. Saints can readily switch between the St Helena pidgin (which is derived from London English and maritime English principally) and formal English, but they lack practice in the latter. Reading to them is a pleasant and effective way of helping them. Not only does it encourage enthusiasm for reading, but the children also absorb the patterns and sounds of the language. Of course this is supplemented by the children reading to you (preferably one-on-one or in small groups). Other volunteers might also be willing to give a hour or so once a week. I can't imagine that the teachers and Education Department would not be fully supportive; this practice has been adopted in the many countries where reading and writing standards have dropped so alarmingly. When I examined the school and main libraries (many years ago) I found the books were rather old, though so well cared for that the children rarely took them home with them. I don't know whether this situation has improved, but if the Education Department agreed, perhaps members of this list could send copies of children's books (in good condition) to St Helena? Vivienne Mawson, PhD (English),MLS (Library Science) Tasmania, Australia The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2219 (20070425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From epiovesa at espol.edu.ec Thu Apr 26 10:51:14 2007 From: epiovesa at espol.edu.ec (Emilio Piovesan Ampuero - FIEC) Date: Thu Apr 26 10:57:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] RE: In-Reply-To: <200704251000.l3PA05Aq022700@rex.kulturservern.se> Message-ID: <200704260851.l3Q8pEje005301@goliat.espol.edu.ec> Hi everybody! Does anyone know if Helanta of CW is the only internet provider in the island or is there any other? Thanks, EP From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 26 10:59:22 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 26 11:02:26 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000601c786f1$8004ff80$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> References: <462C6B07.21720.1E2A98@thomas.flyingkettle.com><313235.69112.qm@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> <000001c7865a$4e3c1ed0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <000601c786f1$8004ff80$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> Message-ID: <000101c787e1$35a0a3e0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Two things happened: firstly the ship subsidy reduced the cost of imports to a level where the farmers had trouble competing, and then a few years ago the cost of water went up dramatically. As a result it became completely uneconomic to grow local produce. Incomes here are shockingly low by world standards so people do not have the spare cash to be able to choose the local produce, perhaps at twice the price, over the imports. Local meat is still available and very tasty, though in my opinion (as the son of a butcher, so perhaps not totally ill-informed) it would benefit from being hung for a little longer before it is prepared. And some local fruit and veg is still offered for sale but if we had to rely on it alone we would all die of scurvy - an amusing irony, given that, in olden times, a major purpose of the island was as a dropping-off point for scurvy-ridden mariners who recovered here and then got picked up by another ship. As far as I remember from wading through it, none of these issues are addressed in the "Strategic Development Plan"........ JT -----Original Message----- From: John Coyle [mailto:jcoyle@powerup.com.au] Sent: 25 April 2007 04:24 To: John@BurghHouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena When I lived on St. Helena from 1967-69, there was enough fresh vegetable produce to support a thriving local vegetable market (Bargo's, if anyone remembers): whatever happened to those growers? There was also good local meat available, with at least one animal being killed just about every week. My then wife bought both meat and vegetables without difficulty from these sources - it seems things have changed a lot since then. There was an occasional shortfall in supply, but not often enough to be a serious problem. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena > The following is a non-expert view, but it may help in understanding the > island. > > It is correct that there is a high prevalence of diabetes here, but I'm > not > sure that the root cause is genetic. > > The diet here is currently poor because much of the imported food is high > in > sugar and salt, both of which are cheap natural preservatives. Even > imported beef burgers have sugar in them! That means people who have > grown > up here tend to expect things to taste sweet and/or salty, and so tend to > put lots of salt and sugar on their food. > > It was the same in the UK when I was growing up (60s/70s). All the > 'modern' > packet foods contained heaps of preservatives, to give them a longer > shelf-life. We got used to the taste and I myself had to wean myself off > having two spoonfuls of sugar in my tea (I did this by becoming a student > and economised on sugar to have more to spend on other things; like - um - > well, let's be honest: beer). > > The solution ought to be to eat fresh local produce, but as so many of the > local farmers have been forced out of business by the cheaper, sugar & > salt > laden imports, it isn't that easy. Our locally produced food is great - > when you can get it. Many people grow their own fruit and vegetables, and > there is a little barter, but not enough to guarantee a regular supply to > others. The Burgh House chicken-house should be built this week and our > raised beds for vegetable cultivation are next ..... > > So if the diet is so bad, why do so many Saints live well into their 90s? > I > suspect it is because they grew up on the old pre-import diet, with lots > of > fish and fresh local produce. > > And why so many children? Well, television didn't arrive here until 1998 > ....... > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Nissa Nystrom > Sent: 23 April 2007 14:35 > To: thomas@flyingkettle.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Medical conditions > > I agree. My mother is native to St. Helena and I would also like to know > what those diseases and conditions are. She has never mentioned anything > along these lines but I will check with her this week. > There are eleven children in her family and the majority of her siblings > and also my mother are diabetic. Is diabetes common among Saints? Do you > know anything about this topic Tessa? > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2219 (20070425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 26 11:00:15 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 26 11:03:14 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8C9550CD812312F-1A68-80A6@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> References: <462C6B07.21720.1E2A98@thomas.flyingkettle.com><313235.69112.qm@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> <000001c7865a$4e3c1ed0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><000601c786f1$8004ff80$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> <8C9550CD812312F-1A68-80A6@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000201c787e1$50221230$2d0b000a@shgbank45> You might find your business plan somewhat constrained by the low wages here! JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of prporter1@aim.com Sent: 25 April 2007 04:54 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Diabetes in St. Helena Wow! I bet if I opened up a potatoe chip and ice cream stand, I'd make a million $ in S H > The following is a non-expert view, but it may help in understanding the > island. > > It is correct that there is a high prevalence of diabetes here, but I'm > not > sure that the root cause is genetic. > > The diet here is currently poor because much of the imported food is high > in > sugar and salt, both of which are cheap natural preservatives. Even > imported beef burgers have sugar in them! That means people who have > grown > up here tend to expect things to taste sweet and/or salty, and so tend to > put lots of salt and sugar on their food. > > It was the same in the UK when I was growing up (60s/70s). All the > 'modern' > packet foods contained heaps of preservatives, to give them a longer > shelf-life. We got used to the taste and I myself had to wean myself off > having two spoonfuls of sugar in my tea (I did this by becoming a student > and economised on sugar to have more to spend on other things; like - um - > well, let's be honest: beer). > > The solution ought to be to eat fresh local produce, but as so many of the > local farmers have been forced out of business by the cheaper, sugar & > salt > laden imports, it isn't that easy. Our locally produced food is great - > when you can get it. Many people grow their own fruit and vegetables, and > there is a little barter, but not enough to guarantee a regular supply to > others. The Burgh House chicken-house should be built this week and our > raised beds for vegetable cultivation are next ..... > > So if the diet is so bad, why do so many Saints live well into their 90s? > I > suspect it is because they grew up on the old pre-import diet, with lots > of > fish and fresh local produce. > > And why so many children? Well, television didn't arrive here until 1998 > ....... > > John Turner > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se ] On Behalf > Of Nissa Nystrom > Sent: 23 April 2007 14:35 > To: thomas@flyingkettle.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Medical conditions > > I agree. My mother is native to St. Helena and I would also like to know > what those diseases and conditions are. She has never mentioned anything > along these lines but I will check with her this week. > There are eleven children in her family and the majority of her siblings > and also my mother are diabetic. Is diabetes common among Saints? Do you > know anything about this topic Tessa? > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. __________ NOD32 2219 (20070425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070426/8fbbf4c4/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Thu Apr 26 11:00:51 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Thu Apr 26 11:03:56 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] RE: In-Reply-To: <200704260851.l3Q8pEje005301@goliat.espol.edu.ec> References: <200704251000.l3PA05Aq022700@rex.kulturservern.se> <200704260851.l3Q8pEje005301@goliat.espol.edu.ec> Message-ID: <000701c787e1$6562beb0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> C&W has a statutory monopoly, I believe. It is certainly the only one. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Emilio Piovesan Ampuero - FIEC Sent: 26 April 2007 08:51 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] RE: Hi everybody! Does anyone know if Helanta of CW is the only internet provider in the island or is there any other? Thanks, EP The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2219 (20070425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From joocee at btopenworld.com Thu Apr 26 22:57:08 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Thu Apr 26 22:57:15 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children References: <000001c781b0$4fdfe950$2d0b000a@shgbank45><7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com><000001c7825c$a7453040$2d0b000a@shgbank45><26b61496d1fefa10b77aafe13f8ad1e4@iprimus.com.au> <000001c787df$6e22f530$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <004501c78845$74e45330$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> We still go into Primary schols in Uk. and listen to the reading etc. just as your mother used to. We have many 'EducationReforms'but I haven't heard that that this one has bit the dust yet - as you commented, it allows the form teacher to concentrate on other activities. As I have been put onto Broadband, I have only just come back on line and spent an hour yesterday reading through over 170 emails in my In Box, catching up with many from St.H. How did the island survive the dearth of ciggies, until the RMS. hailed over the horizon !!!! Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Practical help for children > Vivienne > > It's a good idea but I suspect the tradition of reading stories to children > has suffered here as elsewhere from the fact that parents are busy and > sitting the kids in front of the TV is less effort. We still read to our > children, even though they can now read for themselves, but nowhere near as > much as parents used to before the video age. > > On the subject of reading, when we were first here my mother used to go most > mornings to a primary school to listen to the children reading. The aim was > for them to practice their reading (she didn't teach - she just listened and > helped them with words they couldn't pronounce) and it allowed the class > teacher to concentrate on other activities, perhaps with the better readers > or those that were far behind. That practice was suddenly stopped with no > explanation given. I never found out why, but suspect it was another > 'education reform'. > > JT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Vivienne Mawson > Sent: 24 April 2007 23:20 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children > > > I'm a (mostly silent) member of the SH list. I've only just caught up with > the discussion on English, and don't want to stir that pot again! > But as someone with a long connection to St Helena (where my parents lived > for some 30 years) and even longer experience in teaching English (mainly to > scientists and university students, but latterly children), I thought I > would suggest something positive John Turner and others could do to help the > children to read and write the language better. > > Saints can readily switch between the St Helena pidgin (which is derived > from London English and maritime English principally) and formal English, > but they lack practice in the latter. Reading to them is a pleasant and > effective way of helping them. Not only does it encourage enthusiasm for > reading, but the children also absorb the patterns and sounds of the > language. Of course this is supplemented by the children reading to you > (preferably one-on-one or in small groups). > Other volunteers might also be willing to give a hour or so once a week. I > can't imagine that the teachers and Education Department would not be fully > supportive; this practice has been adopted in the many countries where > reading and writing standards have dropped so alarmingly. > > When I examined the school and main libraries (many years ago) I found the > books were rather old, though so well cared for that the children rarely > took them home with them. I don't know whether this situation has improved, > but if the Education Department agreed, perhaps members of this list could > send copies of children's books (in good condition) to St Helena? > > > Vivienne Mawson, PhD (English),MLS (Library Science) Tasmania, Australia The > S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 2219 (20070425) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From mwelfeld at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 23:12:00 2007 From: mwelfeld at hotmail.com (Martin Welfeld) Date: Thu Apr 26 23:12:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children Message-ID: When I was a young child, my Mother read to me regularly. However, instead of children's stories, she read Beowulf, the Iliad and the Odyssey, Bulfinch's Mythology and many classics usually reserved for High School or College here in the US. She helped me understand the passages that confused me. By the time I started school, I was reading and comprehending far beyond my peers. The vocabulary increase resulting from my Mother's reading amazed my teachers. Naturally as years went by, the rest of the class encountered some of the same literature and the gap narrowed somewhat. In the long term, my Mother's selection of reading material left me with a love of books and language, not to mention the amazing travel that is only possible between the covers of a book. Reading on your own or listening to a well read story is a free way of giving yourself a significant advantage in life. No high technology or costly license is required. There is a potential for addiction, which in this guise is a blessing. While children cannot be forced to develop a love for reading, exposure to the best of the written word will usually produce the desired result. I know a librarian who has special, "Movie Saturdays" for children at the Library. While he selects DVD's of movies that will attract lots of children, he does not provide idle entertainment. The movies are played without any sound and the children must read caption text instead of listening to the movie special effects, etc. It turns out that the novelty of the experience is very popular with the children who now look forward to their Saturdays with Silent Movies. Any other interesting approaches to promoting reading out there? Marty Welfeld (85 degrees F and cloudless in Florida.) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John Turner" Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Practical help for children Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:46:43 -0000 Vivienne It's a good idea but I suspect the tradition of reading stories to children has suffered here as elsewhere from the fact that parents are busy and sitting the kids in front of the TV is less effort. We still read to our children, even though they can now read for themselves, but nowhere near as much as parents used to before the video age. On the subject of reading, when we were first here my mother used to go most mornings to a primary school to listen to the children reading. The aim was for them to practice their reading (she didn't teach - she just listened and helped them with words they couldn't pronounce) and it allowed the class teacher to concentrate on other activities, perhaps with the better readers or those that were far behind. That practice was suddenly stopped with no explanation given. I never found out why, but suspect it was another 'education reform'. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Vivienne Mawson Sent: 24 April 2007 23:20 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children I'm a (mostly silent) member of the SH list. I've only just caught up with the discussion on English, and don't want to stir that pot again! But as someone with a long connection to St Helena (where my parents lived for some 30 years) and even longer experience in teaching English (mainly to scientists and university students, but latterly children), I thought I would suggest something positive John Turner and others could do to help the children to read and write the language better. Saints can readily switch between the St Helena pidgin (which is derived from London English and maritime English principally) and formal English, but they lack practice in the latter. Reading to them is a pleasant and effective way of helping them. Not only does it encourage enthusiasm for reading, but the children also absorb the patterns and sounds of the language. Of course this is supplemented by the children reading to you (preferably one-on-one or in small groups). Other volunteers might also be willing to give a hour or so once a week. I can't imagine that the teachers and Education Department would not be fully supportive; this practice has been adopted in the many countries where reading and writing standards have dropped so alarmingly. When I examined the school and main libraries (many years ago) I found the books were rather old, though so well cared for that the children rarely took them home with them. I don't know whether this situation has improved, but if the Education Department agreed, perhaps members of this list could send copies of children's books (in good condition) to St Helena? Vivienne Mawson, PhD (English),MLS (Library Science) Tasmania, Australia The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2219 (20070425) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Apr 27 00:38:39 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 27 02:14:10 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children References: Message-ID: <000601c78858$83c62910$0200a8c0@dad> Marty, I don't have anything to add to your comment that cannot be emphasized any more. I just want to say that I think your comments have slated more than a thousand arguments in favour of the values behind story-telling and the impact, that reading out aloud, has to a child. I also love the mention you made of kids watching silent-movies at the library! When I was a kid (born and bred in a small town called "Empangeni" (Zululand), my father owned a photographic studio which also happened to hire out 8mm silent movies - yeah, Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, and even Flash Gordon! You name it, I was brought up on this (good stuff)... and then came Arnold Shwatizname. Anyway, my Dad used to have afternoon matinee's in his studio for kids at no charge - he would project about 5 movies (15 min each) onto a huge screen and we'd have a studio filled with around a 100 kids! I'm sure those moments left an indelible mark on the kids who passed through! As for me? Well, I think I think I've picked up a little of Mr.Magoo, Felix the Cat and John Wayne! It makes me wonder now, does St.Helena have a cinema? Regards, RobG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Welfeld" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Practical help for children > When I was a young child, my Mother read to me regularly. However, > instead of children's stories, she read Beowulf, the Iliad and the > Odyssey, Bulfinch's Mythology and many classics usually reserved for High > School or College here in the US. She helped me understand the passages > that confused me. By the time I started school, I was reading and > comprehending far beyond my peers. The vocabulary increase resulting from > my Mother's reading amazed my teachers. > > Naturally as years went by, the rest of the class encountered some of the > same literature and the gap narrowed somewhat. In the long term, my > Mother's selection of reading material left me with a love of books and > language, not to mention the amazing travel that is only possible between > the covers of a book. > > Reading on your own or listening to a well read story is a free way of > giving yourself a significant advantage in life. No high technology or > costly license is required. There is a potential for addiction, which in > this guise is a blessing. > > While children cannot be forced to develop a love for reading, exposure to > the best of the written word will usually produce the desired result. > > I know a librarian who has special, "Movie Saturdays" for children at the > Library. While he selects DVD's of movies that will attract lots of > children, he does not provide idle entertainment. The movies are played > without any sound and the children must read caption text instead of > listening to the movie special effects, etc. It turns out that the > novelty of the experience is very popular with the children who now look > forward to their Saturdays with Silent Movies. > > Any other interesting approaches to promoting reading out there? > > Marty Welfeld > (85 degrees F and cloudless in Florida.) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John Turner" > Reply-To: John@burghhouse.com,"All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)" > To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Practical help for children > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:46:43 -0000 > > Vivienne > > It's a good idea but I suspect the tradition of reading stories to > children > has suffered here as elsewhere from the fact that parents are busy and > sitting the kids in front of the TV is less effort. We still read to our > children, even though they can now read for themselves, but nowhere near > as > much as parents used to before the video age. > > On the subject of reading, when we were first here my mother used to go > most > mornings to a primary school to listen to the children reading. The aim > was > for them to practice their reading (she didn't teach - she just listened > and > helped them with words they couldn't pronounce) and it allowed the class > teacher to concentrate on other activities, perhaps with the better > readers > or those that were far behind. That practice was suddenly stopped with no > explanation given. I never found out why, but suspect it was another > 'education reform'. > > JT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Vivienne Mawson > Sent: 24 April 2007 23:20 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children > > > I'm a (mostly silent) member of the SH list. I've only just caught up with > the discussion on English, and don't want to stir that pot again! > But as someone with a long connection to St Helena (where my parents lived > for some 30 years) and even longer experience in teaching English (mainly > to > scientists and university students, but latterly children), I thought I > would suggest something positive John Turner and others could do to help > the > children to read and write the language better. > > Saints can readily switch between the St Helena pidgin (which is derived > from London English and maritime English principally) and formal English, > but they lack practice in the latter. Reading to them is a pleasant and > effective way of helping them. Not only does it encourage enthusiasm for > reading, but the children also absorb the patterns and sounds of the > language. Of course this is supplemented by the children reading to you > (preferably one-on-one or in small groups). > Other volunteers might also be willing to give a hour or so once a week. I > can't imagine that the teachers and Education Department would not be > fully > supportive; this practice has been adopted in the many countries where > reading and writing standards have dropped so alarmingly. > > When I examined the school and main libraries (many years ago) I found the > books were rather old, though so well cared for that the children rarely > took them home with them. I don't know whether this situation has > improved, > but if the Education Department agreed, perhaps members of this list could > send copies of children's books (in good condition) to St Helena? > > > Vivienne Mawson, PhD (English),MLS (Library Science) Tasmania, Australia > The > S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 2219 (20070425) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: > 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 2007/04/25 12:19 PM > From mwelfeld at hotmail.com Fri Apr 27 08:07:59 2007 From: mwelfeld at hotmail.com (Martin Welfeld) Date: Fri Apr 27 08:08:21 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Seismic events Message-ID: Life on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge can increase one's interest in seismic events. Here is a link to a very interesting site that charts seismic events around the globe. You can click on any area for increased detail. http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ Marty Welfeld Florida From John at BurghHouse.com Fri Apr 27 11:22:25 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 27 11:25:25 2007 Subject: FW: [STHELENA] Practical help for children Message-ID: <000001c788ad$94821020$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Juliet Thank you for reminding me of the cigarettes. Being a lifelong non-smoker it isn't a pressing issue for me. The RMS brought a few packets but they sold out in hours. The main supply comes from Cape Town, so is doubtless eagerly awaited. Most of the shops have advertised that they have no cigarettes for sale. I suspect that the staff got them all first. (I suppose there have to be some perks for the long hours and even-lower-than-everyone-else's wages in retailing). There has not been and rioting in the streets, or any noted incidents of mugging, but I gather that people have paid as much a ?1 per cigarette to deal with their craving. And nobody offers them around anymore. Indeed, where after a meeting it was normal for the smokers to go outside and chat over a few lungfulls of tar, now they all hurry away to their own private places so that they won't have to share their supplies with someone less well provisioned. I wonder how many of the visiting yacht-people have been paying for necessities in cigarettes rather than cash? John Turner Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: JULIET COTTAM [mailto:joocee@btopenworld.com] Sent: 26 April 2007 20:57 To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Practical help for children We still go into Primary schols in Uk. and listen to the reading etc. just as your mother used to. We have many 'EducationReforms'but I haven't heard that that this one has bit the dust yet - as you commented, it allows the form teacher to concentrate on other activities. As I have been put onto Broadband, I have only just come back on line and spent an hour yesterday reading through over 170 emails in my In Box, catching up with many from St.H. How did the island survive the dearth of ciggies, until the RMS. hailed over the horizon !!!! Juliet. ----- Original From John at BurghHouse.com Fri Apr 27 11:22:45 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 27 11:25:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Seismic events References: Message-ID: <000201c788ad$9ecca540$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Interesting site. To be strictly accurate, St.?Helena is not on the mid-Atlantic Ridge (as is shown by the map at http://www.iris.edu/seismon/zoom/?view=eveday&lon=0&lat=-26). An earthquake was recorded here in the 1970s but the fact that it is noted in the history books shows how rare it is. I don't think there were any major injuries or any significant damage. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Martin Welfeld Sent: 27 April 2007 06:08 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Seismic events Life on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge can increase one's interest in seismic events. Here is a link to a very interesting site that charts seismic events around the globe. You can click on any area for increased detail. http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ Marty Welfeld Florida The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2220 (20070426) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From John at BurghHouse.com Fri Apr 27 11:22:38 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 27 11:25:45 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children References: <000601c78858$83c62910$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <000101c788ad$9c466f90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> All the cinemas closed a long time ago. Films are now watched mostly at home via broadcast TV, video or DVD. New Horizons (the youth-club for 13-18 year olds) occasionally arranges an open-air movie screening, which is open to the general public. I gather it's quite an occasion but I've not been so far because I've not wanted to see the movies they have chosen ('goodies' blasting away at 'baddies' with a variety of weapons, which does not constitute entertainment in my book). JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rob G Sent: 26 April 2007 22:39 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Practical help for children Marty, I don't have anything to add to your comment that cannot be emphasized any more. I just want to say that I think your comments have slated more than a thousand arguments in favour of the values behind story-telling and the impact, that reading out aloud, has to a child. I also love the mention you made of kids watching silent-movies at the library! When I was a kid (born and bred in a small town called "Empangeni" (Zululand), my father owned a photographic studio which also happened to hire out 8mm silent movies - yeah, Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, and even Flash Gordon! You name it, I was brought up on this (good stuff)... and then came Arnold Shwatizname. Anyway, my Dad used to have afternoon matinee's in his studio for kids at no charge - he would project about 5 movies (15 min each) onto a huge screen and we'd have a studio filled with around a 100 kids! I'm sure those moments left an indelible mark on the kids who passed through! As for me? Well, I think I think I've picked up a little of Mr.Magoo, Felix the Cat and John Wayne! It makes me wonder now, does St.Helena have a cinema? Regards, RobG From john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se Fri Apr 27 12:32:46 2007 From: john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se (John Ekwall) Date: Fri Apr 27 12:33:40 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images Message-ID: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Dear subscribers, Over the past 18 months I have worked with a giant project - digitalizing the images taken by the Swedish artist Roland Svensson. He was not only an artist and writer but also a very good photographer. At the beginning I had a very good speed but it slowed down when my scanner got bananas. A new slide-scanner had to be purchased but at the same time my office took more and more overtime. Sitting and working 9-10 hours with a PC made me very tired in the evenings so no scanning for months. But I also realized that I am almost halfway in scanning the 4000 slides that comprises the boxes of slides from just Tristan da Cunha that Roland took during his 5 visits. In same way these images can be of interest for you that are on the list so today I created images from 4 slide-magazines. As you can see on the following link I choosed black/white images together with his drawings. Unfortunately some Swedish words appear when choosing image - but you will learn after testing the different words and their purpose. A reminder - these images are just for the members on the mailing-list. Comments are welcomed. I hope you will enjoy the show! http://www.sthelena.se/RS_slideshow/Preview.htm Greetings from a sunny and warm Sweden John Ekwall Coordinator www.sthelena.se -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070427/7f764105/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Fri Apr 27 12:44:43 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Fri Apr 27 12:45:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images In-Reply-To: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <4631E22B.7625.4AC943@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 27 Apr 2007 at 12:32, John Ekwall wrote: > I have worked with a giant project - digitalizing the images > taken by the Swedish artist Roland Svensson. When were these images taken? Unless they are old and are being provided for historical interest, I don't understand why you are taking all this trouble with black-and-white photos, which essentially constitute an obsolete medium. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From prporter1 at aim.com Fri Apr 27 14:34:33 2007 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Fri Apr 27 14:35:08 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images In-Reply-To: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <8C956DF8B32026C-1178-3BDA@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com> Can we send you some color film? -----Original Message----- From: john.ekwall@mailbox.swipnet.se To: list@sthelena.se Cc: tristan-da-cunha@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 4:32 AM Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images Dear subscribers, Over the past 18 months I have worked with a giant project - digitalizing the images taken by the Swedish artist Roland Svensson. He was not only an artist and writer but also a very good photographer. At the beginning I had a very good speed but it slowed down when my scanner got bananas. A new slide-scanner had to be purchased but at the same time my office took more and more overtime. Sitting and working 9-10 hours with a PC made me very tired in the evenings so no scanning for months. But I also realized that I am almost halfway in scanning the 4000 slides that comprises the boxes of slides from just Tristan da Cunha that Roland took during his 5 visits. In same way these images can be of interest for you that are on the list so today I created images from 4 slide-magazines. As you can see on the following link I choosed black/white images together with his drawings. Unfortunately some Swedish words appear when choosing image - but you will learn after testing the different words and their purpose. A reminder - these images are just for the members on the mailing-list. Comments are welcomed. I hope you will enjoy the show! http://www.sthelena.se/RS_slideshow/Preview.htm Greetings from a sunny and warm Sweden John Ekwall Coordinator www.sthelena.se The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070427/13527736/attachment.htm From John at BurghHouse.com Fri Apr 27 14:59:55 2007 From: John at BurghHouse.com (John Turner) Date: Fri Apr 27 15:03:10 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teacher vacancies and Angelina Jolie Message-ID: <000001c788cb$fe2429f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/bmp Size: 1334 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070427/068415a4/attachment.bin From cplowe at mchsi.com Fri Apr 27 15:40:45 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Fri Apr 27 15:40:47 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Practical help for children References: <000001c788ad$94821020$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <004f01c788d1$a8aed140$6501a8c0@Pam> It sounds like a great opportunity for the community to organize an enforced "smoke out" If people have truly gone without for a number of weeks and suffered through the withdrawal, it would be a pity to bring cigarettes into the country again. Of course, I am speaking from the position of a life long non smoker, but it sounds like a public health opportunity to me!!! Hope I have not offended the smokers-just a thought from a health perspective!! Have people truly gone without? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:22 AM Subject: FW: [STHELENA] Practical help for children > Juliet > > Thank you for reminding me of the cigarettes. Being a lifelong non-smoker > it isn't a pressing issue for me. > > The RMS brought a few packets but they sold out in hours. The main supply > comes from Cape Town, so is doubtless eagerly awaited. Most of the shops > have advertised that they have no cigarettes for sale. I suspect that the > staff got them all first. (I suppose there have to be some perks for the > long hours and even-lower-than-everyone-else's wages in retailing). > > There has not been and rioting in the streets, or any noted incidents of > mugging, but I gather that people have paid as much a ?1 per cigarette to > deal with their craving. > > And nobody offers them around anymore. Indeed, where after a meeting it > was > normal for the smokers to go outside and chat over a few lungfulls of tar, > now they all hurry away to their own private places so that they won't > have > to share their supplies with someone less well provisioned. > > I wonder how many of the visiting yacht-people have been paying for > necessities in cigarettes rather than cash? > > John Turner > > Burgh House, Barren Ground, Blue Hill, St. Helena > > (Please send post to: PO Box 37, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena, South > Atlantic, STHL 1ZZ) > > Tel: +290 3235 (office +290 2044) > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, > and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone > else > is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not > the > intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying > of > this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on > it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly > delete the communication. Thank you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JULIET COTTAM [mailto:joocee@btopenworld.com] > Sent: 26 April 2007 20:57 > To: John@burghhouse.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Practical help for children > > We still go into Primary schols in Uk. and listen to the reading etc. just > as your mother used to. We have many 'EducationReforms'but I haven't heard > that that this one has bit the dust yet - as you commented, it allows the > form teacher to concentrate on other activities. > As I have been put onto Broadband, I have only just come back on line and > spent an hour yesterday reading through over 170 emails in my In Box, > catching up with many from St.H. How did the island survive the dearth of > ciggies, until the RMS. hailed over the horizon !!!! Juliet. ----- > Original > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From cplowe at mchsi.com Fri Apr 27 15:52:59 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Fri Apr 27 15:52:55 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <008701c788d3$5dfcbcf0$6501a8c0@Pam> Thank you for sharing them with us and for your dedication and hard work. I have to confess I do not know of Svensson but will look him up. These photo look like the 1950's or am I way off? Thanks again Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Cc: tristan-da-cunha@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:32 AM Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images Dear subscribers, Over the past 18 months I have worked with a giant project - digitalizing the images taken by the Swedish artist Roland Svensson. He was not only an artist and writer but also a very good photographer. At the beginning I had a very good speed but it slowed down when my scanner got bananas. A new slide-scanner had to be purchased but at the same time my office took more and more overtime. Sitting and working 9-10 hours with a PC made me very tired in the evenings so no scanning for months. But I also realized that I am almost halfway in scanning the 4000 slides that comprises the boxes of slides from just Tristan da Cunha that Roland took during his 5 visits. In same way these images can be of interest for you that are on the list so today I created images from 4 slide-magazines. As you can see on the following link I choosed black/white images together with his drawings. Unfortunately some Swedish words appear when choosing image - but you will learn after testing the different words and their purpose. A reminder - these images are just for the members on the mailing-list. Comments are welcomed. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070427/42e1dc4c/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Fri Apr 27 16:17:42 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Fri Apr 27 16:35:31 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images In-Reply-To: <000801c788d0$ae34cee0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA>, <000801c788d0$ae34cee0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <46321416.184.8F3725@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 27 Apr 2007 at 15:33, John Ekwall wrote: > Seems that you're not a photographer and therefore cannot see the > beauty of black and white photos If the only group that can appreciate your art consists of professionals in that art, then your audience - and your market - is necessarily very limited. Let's face it: monochrome is a dead medium, just as silver halide film is a dead technology. They have been superseded. Progress moves on. Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com Fri Apr 27 17:20:16 2007 From: BILL-LOCKMAN at woh.rr.com (BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com) Date: Fri Apr 27 17:20:55 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images In-Reply-To: <46321416.184.8F3725@thomas.flyingkettle.com> References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <000801c788d0$ae34cee0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <46321416.184.8F3725@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: I FOUND THE PHOTOS TO BE WONDERFUL, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK AND WHITE. THAT MEDIUM HAS PRODUCED MOST OF THE CLASSIC MOTION PICTURES, LIBRARIES OF ENCHANTING AND BEAUTIFUL PHOTOS , AND MOST OF THE PHOTOGRAPHIC RECORD OF THE PRE- 1960'S. YOUR MENTALITY HAS LED TO THE "COLORIZATION" OF CLASSIC MOTION PICTURES AND THEIR CONSEQUENT CHEAPENING. THE PLAY OF LIGHT AND SHADOW IN B&W PHOTOGRAPHY PRODUCES A VISUAL IMPRESSION OF GREAT ARTISTIC VALUE AND SHOULD BE APPRECIATED FOR ITS' OWN VALUE NOT FOR IT'S POSSIBLE MONETARY VALUE. JUST BECAUSE A TECHNOLOGY ADVANCE HAS OCCURRED DOES NOT OF ITSELF GIVE IT VALUE ABOVE THAT WHICH CAME BEFORE IT. ALL "PROGRESS" IS NOT OF ITSELF AN IMPROVEMENT. TO BELIEVE SO BRANDS ONE A TWIT. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Goodey Date: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:37 am Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images To: list@sthelena.se > On 27 Apr 2007 at 15:33, John Ekwall wrote: > > > Seems that you're not a photographer and therefore cannot see the > > beauty of black and white photos > > If the only group that can appreciate your art consists of > professionals in that art, then your audience - and your market - > is > necessarily very limited. > > Let's face it: monochrome is a dead medium, just as silver halide > film is a dead technology. They have been superseded. Progress > moves > on. > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From cplowe at mchsi.com Fri Apr 27 17:26:57 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Fri Apr 27 17:26:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA><000801c788d0$ae34cee0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA><46321416.184.8F3725@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <000a01c788e0$7e30d5d0$6501a8c0@Pam> >"I FOUND THE PHOTOS TO BE WONDERFUL, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK > AND WHITE. ". I have to say that I too, have enjoyed the black and white photos. I kow that I am dating myself, but they remind me of childhood. Pam From ccprp at planet.nl Fri Apr 27 17:29:06 2007 From: ccprp at planet.nl (Rolf Weijburg) Date: Fri Apr 27 17:29:22 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <000801c788d0$ae34cee0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <46321416.184.8F3725@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <000901c788e0$cb254e20$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> Well Thomas, that's really what one calls Black & White Thinking... One can wonder how "progressed" you are if you find it that hard to understand that there's more to art than just colour. Rolf Weijburg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Goodey" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images > On 27 Apr 2007 at 15:33, John Ekwall wrote: > >> Seems that you're not a photographer and therefore cannot see the >> beauty of black and white photos > > If the only group that can appreciate your art consists of > professionals in that art, then your audience - and your market - is > necessarily very limited. > > Let's face it: monochrome is a dead medium, just as silver halide > film is a dead technology. They have been superseded. Progress moves > on. > > Thomas Goodey > > ********************************* > The introduction of a multiplicity > of objectives into a problem not > only destroys its unity, but also > increases markedly both the > time necessary for, and the > actual personal danger involved > in, its solution. > ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII > ************************************** > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From joocee at btopenworld.com Fri Apr 27 17:30:07 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Fri Apr 27 17:30:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <003201c788e0$f65bed60$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> Thankyou John for all the dedicated andhardwork put in, to produce those images. I am no great photographer - but doappreciate that black and white is a great medium . As I scanned through them Iirealsiedthat these were taken in earlier days- 50's perhaps. What struck me was the great amount of handfishing that took place, and the building of boats was prominent. In my short stay last year, I do not recall seeing anyone fishing - but then perhaps I did not visit the right spots. I will have 8 days on the island in August, so will be able to visit many more places than previously - you never know, I might find a fisherman, and possibly a boat being built - the latter always good for photography. Can someone tell me where these activities take place - if they do these days - in anticipation, thanks ! Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Cc: tristan-da-cunha@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images Dear subscribers, Over the past 18 months I have worked with a giant project - digitalizing the images taken by the Swedish artist Roland Svensson. He was not only an artist and writer but also a very good photographer. At the beginning I had a very good speed but it slowed down when my scanner got bananas. A new slide-scanner had to be purchased but at the same time my office took more and more overtime. Sitting and working 9-10 hours with a PC made me very tired in the evenings so no scanning for months. But I also realized that I am almost halfway in scanning the 4000 slides that comprises the boxes of slides from just Tristan da Cunha that Roland took during his 5 visits. In same way these images can be of interest for you that are on the list so today I created images from 4 slide-magazines. As you can see on the following link I choosed black/white images together with his drawings. Unfortunately some Swedish words appear when choosing image - but you will learn after testing the different words and their purpose. A reminder - these images are just for the members on the mailing-list. Comments are welcomed. I hope you will enjoy the show! http://www.sthelena.se/RS_slideshow/Preview.htm Greetings from a sunny and warm Sweden John Ekwall Coordinator www.sthelena.se ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070427/1ed06f4e/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Apr 27 16:47:26 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Fri Apr 27 17:48:06 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <027c01c788da$fda89380$0200a8c0@dad> Many thanks for sharing those photographs John - they are a wonderful reflection of a bygone era! I can sit and look at black and white images like these for ever and wallow in the nostalgia it provokes. Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Cc: tristan-da-cunha@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images Dear subscribers, Over the past 18 months I have worked with a giant project - digitalizing the images taken by the Swedish artist Roland Svensson. He was not only an artist and writer but also a very good photographer. At the beginning I had a very good speed but it slowed down when my scanner got bananas. A new slide-scanner had to be purchased but at the same time my office took more and more overtime. Sitting and working 9-10 hours with a PC made me very tired in the evenings so no scanning for months. But I also realized that I am almost halfway in scanning the 4000 slides that comprises the boxes of slides from just Tristan da Cunha that Roland took during his 5 visits. In same way these images can be of interest for you that are on the list so today I created images from 4 slide-magazines. As you can see on the following link I choosed black/white images together with his drawings. Unfortunately some Swedish words appear when choosing image - but you will learn after testing the different words and their purpose. A reminder - these images are just for the members on the mailing-list. Comments are welcomed. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070427/7178288b/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Fri Apr 27 18:18:07 2007 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Fri Apr 27 18:18:45 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images In-Reply-To: <003201c788e0$f65bed60$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA>, <003201c788e0$f65bed60$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> Message-ID: <4632304F.19105.FD74E3@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 27 Apr 2007 at 16:30, JULIET COTTAM wrote: > As I scanned through them I realized that these were > taken in earlier days- 50's perhaps. That was my query. Again, when were these images taken? If they are old, as we think, they are obviously a most valuable historical archive. And BILL-LOCKMAN@woh.rr.com wrote: > YOUR MENTALITY HAS LED TO THE "COLORIZATION" OF CLASSIC MOTION > PICTURES AND THEIR CONSEQUENT CHEAPENING. ... I don't agree. The originals still remain. The colorized versions are perfectly valid derivative works. > JUST BECAUSE A TECHNOLOGY ADVANCE HAS OCCURRED DOES NOT OF ITSELF > GIVE IT VALUE ABOVE THAT WHICH CAME BEFORE IT. Then why don't painters paint in black and white? Actually the typical human eye is endowed with color vision, and a medium which ignores this somatic fact is obviously missing a very important ingredient for communication and artistic expression. If color film had been developed at the dawn of the photographic age, before monochrome film, no photographer would ever have even considered producing images without hue. By the way, we have another technology advance, called "lower case". Thomas Goodey ********************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ------------ Nadreck of Palain VII ************************************** From john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se Fri Apr 27 21:26:26 2007 From: john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se (John Ekwall) Date: Fri Apr 27 21:26:47 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images-year? References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <008701c788d3$5dfcbcf0$6501a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: <001601c78901$f32c5550$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Hi, Thanks for the positive response from you (except one) on the images. The answer is 1974 but there are also some from 1979. Have some rare ones from the resettlement of Tristan in the 60ies - just a few on this link http://www.sthelena.se/tristan/RS_SV/roland.htm. John Ekwall, Sweden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070427/823dae66/attachment.htm From rjyon at dircon.co.uk Fri Apr 27 21:49:16 2007 From: rjyon at dircon.co.uk (Robert Yon) Date: Fri Apr 27 21:50:51 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Seismic events References: <000201c788ad$9ecca540$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <004401c78905$4980d450$973770c2@your447023ae6b> The Atlantic is widening at the same rate my fingernails are growing, by upwelling along the mid-Atlantic Ridge, so several million years ago St H was probably sitting on a hotspot of seismic activity and vulcanism. I read somewhere that the island is an ancient volcano that has tilted and half-drowned -- Sandy Bay is formed by the half-submerged crater. I'm no geologist, but the multicoloured sand samples that used to be a sold to tourists were said to be evidence of the volcanic past. Does anybody know a good source of info about this aspect of the island? Bob Yon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Seismic events Interesting site. To be strictly accurate, St. Helena is not on the mid-Atlantic Ridge (as is shown by the map at http://www.iris.edu/seismon/zoom/?view=eveday&lon=0&lat=-26). An earthquake was recorded here in the 1970s but the fact that it is noted in the history books shows how rare it is. I don't think there were any major injuries or any significant damage. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Martin Welfeld Sent: 27 April 2007 06:08 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Seismic events Life on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge can increase one's interest in seismic events. Here is a link to a very interesting site that charts seismic events around the globe. You can click on any area for increased detail. http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ Marty Welfeld Florida The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2220 (20070426) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.10/774 - Release Date: 23/04/2007 17:26 From rbauer6115 at t-online.de Fri Apr 27 22:33:06 2007 From: rbauer6115 at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Fri Apr 27 22:33:37 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images-year? In-Reply-To: <001601c78901$f32c5550$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <008701c788d3$5dfcbcf0$6501a8c0@Pam> <001601c78901$f32c5550$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <46325E02.3060102@bigfoot.com> Thank you John for sharing those pictures with us. I understand there may be more coming sometime in the future. Alert Thomas in time, so he has not to open these "eye soring" files. I found it interesting how up to date the girls were dressed (for those days). And a true police officer in full fledged uniform for 300 people. Far from everything, in the middle of the world. Cheers, Reino. John Ekwall wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the positive response from you (except one) on the images. > The answer is 1974 but there are also some from 1979. Have some rare > ones from the resettlement of Tristan in the 60ies - just a few on > this link http://www.sthelena.se/tristan/RS_SV/roland.htm. > > John Ekwall, Sweden > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070427/b3d3c5be/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 03:23:59 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Sat Apr 28 03:24:26 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images Message-ID: <399422.71323.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Aaahhh, I see the list is still poised and ready to attack anyone with a differing opinion! John, I am in agreement with the majority, the pictures are wonderful. So what if Thomas isn't a fan of monochromatic art? Art and its derived appreciation is completely subjective. Let the man be! I don't know how anyone even thinking about joining this list could ever work up the courage to put their two cents in for fear of the possible repercussions. Nissa Fargo, ND USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From takkies at mighty.co.za Sat Apr 28 04:59:26 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Sat Apr 28 06:01:39 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images References: <399422.71323.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c78941$766aaa90$0200a8c0@dad> Haha, I think you're absolutely correct in suggesting that any new or latent recruit to this list would have to muster up much courage to deliver an opinion - I definitely felt it when I first joined about 2 years back. Since then, I've learnt to throw caution to the wind and make my contribution despite the outcome - I mean, how on earth am I to reap any reward by keeping quiet on a forum, which I believe is ultimately driven by a passion and love for an Island, if I remain silent. I think we definitely want to see MORE imput by members on the list - no matter the significance of their related query or level of opinion - it's what makes for a "spicier" meal! As far as flaming is concerned... I think I have a solution... perhaps we could ask Thomas to consider colourising (colorizing) his text when he submits an opinion - in that way we can all be sure of his tone, (or is it hue?) (pun intended), and wether or not he believes the worlds most artful form of communication is best conveyed in "black and white" or not... Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nissa Nystrom" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > Aaahhh, I see the list is still poised and ready to > attack anyone with a differing opinion! John, I am in > agreement with the majority, the pictures are > wonderful. So what if Thomas isn't a fan of > monochromatic art? Art and its derived appreciation > is completely subjective. Let the man be! I don't > know how anyone even thinking about joining this list > could ever work up the courage to put their two cents > in for fear of the possible repercussions. > > Nissa > > Fargo, ND USA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 2007/04/26 > 03:23 PM > > From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Sat Apr 28 06:26:25 2007 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Sat Apr 28 06:25:08 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Preview of images References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA>, <000801c788d0$ae34cee0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <46321416.184.8F3725@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <046901c7894d$62e6abc0$0200a8c0@PRAXIS> Thomas - as a keen photographer myself, and as a member of an international photo discussion forum: you're dead wrong! Many very skilled and up-to-the-minute photographers are not only still working in B&W film, but are also converting their full-colour digital and film images to B&W as part of the post-exposure processing. In any case: these are photos taken some 30 years ago, and the medium chosen was B&W: they are of historic interest, and they are what they are. Whether they have any great artistic merit might be up for discussion, but I don't think that John is presenting them to us in that light. I for one, although I have never been to TdC, find them of considerable interest. Regards John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Goodey" > > If the only group that can appreciate your art consists of > professionals in that art, then your audience - and your market - is > necessarily very limited. > > Let's face it: monochrome is a dead medium, just as silver halide > film is a dead technology. They have been superseded. Progress moves > on. > > Thomas Goodey > From mwelfeld at hotmail.com Sat Apr 28 07:59:05 2007 From: mwelfeld at hotmail.com (Martin Welfeld) Date: Sat Apr 28 07:59:32 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Color or B&W? Message-ID: Thomas, What you like is simply, what you like. Sometimes we feel strongly about our likes/dislikes and make our preferences known. Sometimes our proclamations draw support or disagreement from the interested. It would be a shame if people modified their subjective judgments because of the opinions of others. Art should make the viewer think. Art should disrupt. Art should calm. Most importantly, art should be created for art's sake. My opinions differ from yours, but all that means is that I am probably drawn to a larger body of work. So what. On the technical side, B&W is far from dead or even outmoded. Among the newest features available in advanced digital cameras is the ability to create images that replicate "film-like imagery", from characteristic curve through hue and saturation, including old favorite B&W emulsions. The first photo I ever sold is a color image. Of all my images, my favorite is in color. The photo that I have made the most money from is in color. However, all my favorite photographers worked primarily in B&W. All my favorite images from the world of photography are in B&W. There is a theory that color distracts from the content and that B&W distills the content, allowing greater impact. I think that is accurate, but it does not mean that great art photography cannot be in color. Prior to the appearance of Photoshop and other image editing computer programs, B&W was much easier for the photographer to work with in terms of image control. The Zone System which originated for large format view cameras, allowed the photographer to pre-visualize the print when viewing the subject and then produce the desired image. That was not possible with color emulsions. Now, it seems that all things are possible. Technology does impact and change the production of art. Tacking away from the wind: Perhaps the members of the list who have visited St. Helena could email their favorite images to John Turner who could mount a photo exhibit at the Bank, showing the residents how their island is remembered by its visitors. PLEASE don't send John anything unless he volunteers! (John, I'm not trying to volunteer you for something while you're out of the room...) Marty Welfeld Shooting since 1950. From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 28 08:01:24 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Sat Apr 28 08:02:12 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island In-Reply-To: <003201c788e0$f65bed60$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> Message-ID: <20070428060142.807E3846@ctb-mesg-1-1.saix.net> I agree with Juliet that we should thank John for the opportunity of seeing such an excellent record of life in Tristan da Cunha and the opportunity to see some first class photography. I particularly liked the shots on page 4 of the sailing boats - lovely compositions. Juliet, you say that you will have eight days on the island in August. I assume you mean St Helena rather than Tristan? You won't see any scenes such as those in the pictures - there are no boats being built on St Helena. What boats there are have all been imported. You will be able to go out, possibly with a fisherman on his boat, or on one of the several boats that take visitors out for diving or just to see the dolphins (and occasional whales) - a trip well worth doing. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 1:30 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images Thankyou John for all the dedicated andhardwork put in, to produce those images. I am no great photographer - but doappreciate that black and white is a great medium . As I scanned through them Iirealsiedthat these were taken in earlier days- 50's perhaps. What struck me was the great amount of handfishing that took place, and the building of boats was prominent. In my short stay last year, I do not recall seeing anyone fishing - but then perhaps I did not visit the right spots. I will have 8 days on the island in August, so will be able to visit many more places than previously - you never know, I might find a fisherman, and possibly a boat being built - the latter always good for photography. Can someone tell me where these activities take place - if they do these days - in anticipation, thanks ! Juliet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/576af276/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 28 08:05:38 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Sat Apr 28 08:06:02 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Phot Exhibition was..... Color or B&W? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070428060541.F23782445@ctb-mesg9.saix.net> What a great idea, Marty. But here's another, if your proposal isn't to John's liking - how about John Ekwall putting up a page on his site for such pictures - and to thus give the entire world an opportunity of seeing the island through our eyes? All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! Tacking away from the wind: Perhaps the members of the list who have visited St. Helena could email their favorite images to John Turner who could mount a photo exhibit at the Bank, showing the residents how their island is remembered by its visitors. PLEASE don't send John anything unless he volunteers! (John, I'm not trying to volunteer you for something while you're out of the room...) Marty Welfeld Shooting since 1950. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From vmawson at iprimus.com.au Sat Apr 28 10:17:35 2007 From: vmawson at iprimus.com.au (Vivienne Mawson) Date: Sat Apr 28 10:17:20 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images In-Reply-To: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: Dear John, Thank you so much for letting us see these photographs and sketches. They're wonderfully evocative. Perhaps you could tell the members something about Roland Svensson (or direct them to a website)? I treasure the pen and ink drawing of the harbour at Jamestown that he gave my parents when he stayed with them at Teutonic Hall (alas, I do not know the date, but it would probably have been around 1965). Vivienne Mawson From joocee at btopenworld.com Sat Apr 28 13:04:00 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Sat Apr 28 13:04:08 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island References: <20070428060142.807E3846@ctb-mesg-1-1.saix.net> Message-ID: <002101c78984$ed697bb0$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> What a wally I am ! Not having read John's prologue fully - or too quickly- I took it for granted that the display of photos, in Glorious black and white - were all of St. H. No wonder I can't recall a boat building yard ! Thanks for correcting me ! So when I am on the island I'll carry on looking at the geolgical wonders and the endemic plants ! Thanks too for the info. on the period of Non- smoking - pre the RMS. return - I had visions of the precious fag being passed round for a limited number of puffs! As a non- smoker, I can't commiserate with the addicts, but if it gives them solace, so be it . Hope you haven't waited too long in Cape Town for the RMS, Terry - I chart her progress on the 'ship locator' on the RMS. website most days, but knowing of her very late departure from Portland, I feel that it will take some steaming to catch up on the schedule. I am booked to board her in Capetown mid-August, but the nice lady in A.Weir's booking office assures me that there should be no problem by that time - here's hoping. I know last year, when we were delayed two days in Portland, those two days were caught up, but a fortnight is a different problem, me thinks. I don't want to hang around Capetown - I want to be on St. Helena! ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island I agree with Juliet that we should thank John for the opportunity of seeing such an excellent record of life in Tristan da Cunha and the opportunity to see some first class photography. I particularly liked the shots on page 4 of the sailing boats - lovely compositions. Juliet, you say that you will have eight days on the island in August. I assume you mean St Helena rather than Tristan? You won't see any scenes such as those in the pictures - there are no boats being built on St Helena. What boats there are have all been imported. You will be able to go out, possibly with a fisherman on his boat, or on one of the several boats that take visitors out for diving or just to see the dolphins (and occasional whales) - a trip well worth doing. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 1:30 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images Thankyou John for all the dedicated andhardwork put in, to produce those images. I am no great photographer - but doappreciate that black and white is a great medium . As I scanned through them Iirealsiedthat these were taken in earlier days- 50's perhaps. What struck me was the great amount of handfishing that took place, and the building of boats was prominent. In my short stay last year, I do not recall seeing anyone fishing - but then perhaps I did not visit the right spots. I will have 8 days on the island in August, so will be able to visit many more places than previously - you never know, I might find a fisherman, and possibly a boat being built - the latter always good for photography. Can someone tell me where these activities take place - if they do these days - in anticipation, thanks ! Juliet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/4ed96a27/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Sat Apr 28 13:48:47 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Sat Apr 28 13:48:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images References: <399422.71323.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000001c78941$766aaa90$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <001001c7898b$2e6fd950$6501a8c0@Pam> I hope people continue to join the list and those who now just read feel free to make contributions and express opinions. As in any good communication, however, others hear us better if we are civil, certainly assertive but not aggressive. So I say keep it passionate, full of "spice" but, as we have been, always tasteful and mindful of the feelings of others. I for one look forward to the exchanges especially now that the list seems to have a new life. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob G" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > Haha, I think you're absolutely correct in suggesting that any new or > latent recruit to this list would have to muster up much courage to > deliver an opinion - I definitely felt it when I first joined about 2 > years back. Since then, I've learnt to throw caution to the wind and make > my contribution despite the outcome - I mean, how on earth am I to reap > any reward by keeping quiet on a forum, which I believe is ultimately > driven by a passion and love for an Island, if I remain silent. I think we > definitely want to see MORE imput by members on the list - no matter the > significance of their related query or level of opinion - it's what makes > for a "spicier" meal! > > As far as flaming is concerned... I think I have a solution... perhaps we > could ask Thomas to consider colourising (colorizing) his text when he > submits an opinion - in that way we can all be sure of his tone, (or is it > hue?) (pun intended), and wether or not he believes the worlds most artful > form of communication is best conveyed in "black and white" or not... > > > Rob G > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nissa Nystrom" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:23 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > > >> Aaahhh, I see the list is still poised and ready to >> attack anyone with a differing opinion! John, I am in >> agreement with the majority, the pictures are >> wonderful. So what if Thomas isn't a fan of >> monochromatic art? Art and its derived appreciation >> is completely subjective. Let the man be! I don't >> know how anyone even thinking about joining this list >> could ever work up the courage to put their two cents >> in for fear of the possible repercussions. >> >> Nissa >> >> Fargo, ND USA >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 2007/04/26 >> 03:23 PM >> >> > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From cplowe at mchsi.com Sat Apr 28 13:51:55 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Sat Apr 28 13:51:53 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <002801c7898b$9eee1110$6501a8c0@Pam> I found Roland Svensson's site and his paintings of St. Helena. Wonderful!! Pam Perhaps you could tell the members > something about Roland Svensson (or direct them to a website)? I > treasure the pen and ink drawing of the harbour at Jamestown that he > gave my parents when he stayed with them at Teutonic Hall From nanystrom at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 15:04:55 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Sat Apr 28 15:05:31 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images In-Reply-To: <001001c7898b$2e6fd950$6501a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: <407631.31545.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Pam, I would have to disagree when you state, we (the list) have always been tasteful and mindful of the feelings of others considering some very recent exchanges. However, I totally support your suggestion about making the effort to maintain civility by knowing the difference between assertive and aggressive. The challenge here is applying that knowledge. This list, if nothing else, is bursting at the seams with passion! ha ha ha I wouldn't worry about that ever changing. =-D I too look forward to the discussions on the list for years to come. Thanks for providing the food for thought Pam! Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" wrote: > I hope people continue to join the list and those > who now just read feel > free to make contributions and express opinions. As > in any good > communication, however, others hear us better if we > are civil, certainly > assertive but not aggressive. So I say keep it > passionate, full of "spice" > but, as we have been, always tasteful and mindful > of the feelings of > others. I for one look forward to the exchanges > especially now that the list > seems to have a new life. > Pam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob G" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > > > > Haha, I think you're absolutely correct in > suggesting that any new or > > latent recruit to this list would have to muster > up much courage to > > deliver an opinion - I definitely felt it when I > first joined about 2 > > years back. Since then, I've learnt to throw > caution to the wind and make > > my contribution despite the outcome - I mean, how > on earth am I to reap > > any reward by keeping quiet on a forum, which I > believe is ultimately > > driven by a passion and love for an Island, if I > remain silent. I think we > > definitely want to see MORE imput by members on > the list - no matter the > > significance of their related query or level of > opinion - it's what makes > > for a "spicier" meal! > > > > As far as flaming is concerned... I think I have a > solution... perhaps we > > could ask Thomas to consider colourising > (colorizing) his text when he > > submits an opinion - in that way we can all be > sure of his tone, (or is it > > hue?) (pun intended), and wether or not he > believes the worlds most artful > > form of communication is best conveyed in "black > and white" or not... > > > > > > Rob G > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nissa Nystrom" > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)" > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:23 AM > > Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > > > > > >> Aaahhh, I see the list is still poised and ready > to > >> attack anyone with a differing opinion! John, I > am in > >> agreement with the majority, the pictures are > >> wonderful. So what if Thomas isn't a fan of > >> monochromatic art? Art and its derived > appreciation > >> is completely subjective. Let the man be! I > don't > >> know how anyone even thinking about joining this > list > >> could ever work up the courage to put their two > cents > >> in for fear of the possible repercussions. > >> > >> Nissa > >> > >> Fargo, ND USA > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List > >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: > >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm > mail. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - > Release Date: 2007/04/26 > >> 03:23 PM > >> > >> > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm > mail. > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From takkies at mighty.co.za Sat Apr 28 15:22:14 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Sat Apr 28 16:22:49 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! References: <399422.71323.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com><000001c78941$766aaa90$0200a8c0@dad> <001001c7898b$2e6fd950$6501a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: <006301c78998$3d949350$0200a8c0@dad> Well said Pam - and I sincerely DO appreciate your stance! You've inspired me!!! Hey Thomas G, are you still alive and kicking?!? Come now, we've got lots of work ahead of us if we are to entice, encourage and provoke healthy, informative comment, along with embracing fresh blood in a dynamic way of input on this forum! When I look back at when I first joined this list, (only John E can tell), I see a ton of maturity taking place as far as the plethora of sometimes obscure, yet very relevant dialogue - one could say that some of us have opened ourselves up into forms of friendships along the way - flip, now that's a deep assumption to make, though very real nevertheless. The crux of my comment is that I've realised friendships can STILL be made within a diverse arena of opinion, and be accepted as thus. Though at times, I clearly recognise who the stalwarts are that cling to needing to be indifferent for the sake of it or feel they "rule the roost" as a result of linguistic perfection. Even I make "fuckups" along the way (am I allowed to say that here?). I nevertheless, feel very encouraged to accept that we have many (300 or so) "silent", less outspoken subscribers on our list than I realised at first. And THOSE are people I would like to hear from the MOST! And I am NOT, by any means targeting ANY regular contributors who have something meaningful to say to the benefit of our subscribers - all I want to hear from them is something that will further my knowledge or interest surrounding the incredible island of St.Helena and it's constituents. So HEY, here's to all those other 300 or so stringers who haven't made their voices known yet- let's hear from you - what is it that you love the most about St.Helena?!? And what does being on this forum mean the most to you?!? Best regards to all, Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images >I hope people continue to join the list and those who now just read feel >free to make contributions and express opinions. As in any good >communication, however, others hear us better if we are civil, certainly >assertive but not aggressive. So I say keep it passionate, full of "spice" >but, as we have been, always tasteful and mindful of the feelings of >others. I for one look forward to the exchanges especially now that the >list seems to have a new life. > Pam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob G" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > > >> Haha, I think you're absolutely correct in suggesting that any new or >> latent recruit to this list would have to muster up much courage to >> deliver an opinion - I definitely felt it when I first joined about 2 >> years back. Since then, I've learnt to throw caution to the wind and make >> my contribution despite the outcome - I mean, how on earth am I to reap >> any reward by keeping quiet on a forum, which I believe is ultimately >> driven by a passion and love for an Island, if I remain silent. I think >> we definitely want to see MORE imput by members on the list - no matter >> the significance of their related query or level of opinion - it's what >> makes for a "spicier" meal! >> >> As far as flaming is concerned... I think I have a solution... perhaps we >> could ask Thomas to consider colourising (colorizing) his text when he >> submits an opinion - in that way we can all be sure of his tone, (or is >> it hue?) (pun intended), and wether or not he believes the worlds most >> artful form of communication is best conveyed in "black and white" or >> not... >> >> Rob G >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nissa Nystrom" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:23 AM >> Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images >> >> >>> Aaahhh, I see the list is still poised and ready to >>> attack anyone with a differing opinion! John, I am in >>> agreement with the majority, the pictures are >>> wonderful. So what if Thomas isn't a fan of >>> monochromatic art? Art and its derived appreciation >>> is completely subjective. Let the man be! I don't >>> know how anyone even thinking about joining this list >>> could ever work up the courage to put their two cents >>> in for fear of the possible repercussions. >>> >>> Nissa >>> >>> Fargo, ND USA >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: >>> 2007/04/26 03:23 PM >>> >>> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: > 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 2007/04/27 01:39 PM > > From Lem26on at aol.com Sat Apr 28 16:47:41 2007 From: Lem26on at aol.com (Lem26on@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 28 16:48:20 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Message-ID: Hi, Rob and everyone else on the list. I guess I am one of the members who lurks in the background and reads the messages, but have not contributed too much in the way of messages from me. My interest in St. Helena came through my sister who has a pen pal on St. Helena. So, I have been interested in learning about the people on the Island. I will try to contribute more often in the future. My best to you all. Jeane McGrath from New York State in U.S.A. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/8b94836f/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 16:54:56 2007 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Sat Apr 28 16:55:25 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! In-Reply-To: <006301c78998$3d949350$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <255902.72455.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kudos to you also Rob! It looks like your invitation has inspired one person to step out of the shadows already. I would like to say welcome to her and also that I look forward to hearing more from her as well. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: > Well said Pam - and I sincerely DO appreciate your > stance! You've inspired > me!!! > > Hey Thomas G, are you still alive and kicking?!? > Come now, we've got lots of > work ahead of us if we are to entice, encourage and > provoke healthy, > informative comment, along with embracing fresh > blood in a dynamic way of > input on this forum! > > When I look back at when I first joined this list, > (only John E can tell), I > see a ton of maturity taking place as far as the > plethora of sometimes > obscure, yet very relevant dialogue - one could say > that some of us have > opened ourselves up into forms of friendships along > the way - flip, now > that's a deep assumption to make, though very real > nevertheless. > > The crux of my comment is that I've realised > friendships can STILL be made > within a diverse arena of opinion, and be accepted > as thus. Though at times, > I clearly recognise who the stalwarts are that cling > to needing to be > indifferent for the sake of it or feel they "rule > the roost" as a result of > linguistic perfection. Even I make "fuckups" along > the way (am I allowed to > say that here?). I nevertheless, feel very > encouraged to accept that we have > many (300 or so) "silent", less outspoken > subscribers on our list than I > realised at first. And THOSE are people I would like > to hear from the MOST! > And I am NOT, by any means targeting ANY regular > contributors who have > something meaningful to say to the benefit of our > subscribers - all I want > to hear from them is something that will further my > knowledge or interest > surrounding the incredible island of St.Helena and > it's constituents. > > So HEY, here's to all those other 300 or so > stringers who haven't made their > voices known yet- let's hear from you - what is it > that you love the most > about St.Helena?!? And what does being on this forum > mean the most to you?!? > > Best regards to all, > Rob G > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > > > >I hope people continue to join the list and those > who now just read feel > >free to make contributions and express opinions. > As in any good > >communication, however, others hear us better if we > are civil, certainly > >assertive but not aggressive. So I say keep it > passionate, full of "spice" > >but, as we have been, always tasteful and mindful > of the feelings of > >others. I for one look forward to the exchanges > especially now that the > >list seems to have a new life. > > Pam > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rob G" > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)" > > > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > > > > > >> Haha, I think you're absolutely correct in > suggesting that any new or > >> latent recruit to this list would have to muster > up much courage to > >> deliver an opinion - I definitely felt it when I > first joined about 2 > >> years back. Since then, I've learnt to throw > caution to the wind and make > >> my contribution despite the outcome - I mean, how > on earth am I to reap > >> any reward by keeping quiet on a forum, which I > believe is ultimately > >> driven by a passion and love for an Island, if I > remain silent. I think > >> we definitely want to see MORE imput by members > on the list - no matter > >> the significance of their related query or level > of opinion - it's what > >> makes for a "spicier" meal! > >> > >> As far as flaming is concerned... I think I have > a solution... perhaps we > >> could ask Thomas to consider colourising > (colorizing) his text when he > >> submits an opinion - in that way we can all be > sure of his tone, (or is > >> it hue?) (pun intended), and wether or not he > believes the worlds most > >> artful form of communication is best conveyed in > "black and white" or > >> not... > >> > >> Rob G > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Nissa Nystrom" > >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the > South Atlantic(Eng)" > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:23 AM > >> Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > >> > >> > >>> Aaahhh, I see the list is still poised and ready > to > >>> attack anyone with a differing opinion! John, I > am in > >>> agreement with the majority, the pictures are > >>> wonderful. So what if Thomas isn't a fan of > >>> monochromatic art? Art and its derived > appreciation > >>> is completely subjective. Let the man be! I > don't > >>> know how anyone even thinking about joining this > list > >>> could ever work up the courage to put their two > cents > >>> in for fear of the possible repercussions. > >>> > >>> Nissa > >>> > >>> Fargo, ND USA > >>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List > >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: > >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm > mail. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>> Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - > Release Date: > >>> 2007/04/26 03:23 PM > >>> > >>> > >> > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List > >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: > >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm > mail. > >> > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm > mail. > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / > Virus Database: > > 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 2007/04/27 01:39 PM > > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From takkies at mighty.co.za Sat Apr 28 15:58:46 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Sat Apr 28 16:59:16 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! References: Message-ID: <008601c7899d$57e191e0$0200a8c0@dad> Hi there Jean from New York - great to hear your voice on this forum! Although I'm not an islander, I'm sure you're bound to get some input from those who do. I'm sure that you'll find the welcome you're looking for :-) Best regards, Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Lem26on@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi, Rob and everyone else on the list. I guess I am one of the members who lurks in the background and reads the messages, but have not contributed too much in the way of messages from me. My interest in St. Helena came through my sister who has a pen pal on St. Helena. So, I have been interested in learning about the people on the Island. I will try to contribute more often in the future. My best to you all. Jeane McGrath from New York State in U.S.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 2007/04/27 01:39 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/7aa5a1f5/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Sat Apr 28 16:02:03 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Sat Apr 28 17:02:39 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! References: <255902.72455.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008b01c7899d$ce0c1e80$0200a8c0@dad> Absolutely Nissa - thank you for the blessing! I also look forward to any comment she may make towards making this forum a more vibrant and happy entity. Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nissa Nystrom" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! > Kudos to you also Rob! It looks like your invitation > has inspired one person to step out of the shadows > already. I would like to say welcome to her and also > that I look forward to hearing more from her as well. > > Nissa > Fargo, ND USA > --- Rob G wrote: > >> Well said Pam - and I sincerely DO appreciate your >> stance! You've inspired >> me!!! >> >> Hey Thomas G, are you still alive and kicking?!? >> Come now, we've got lots of >> work ahead of us if we are to entice, encourage and >> provoke healthy, >> informative comment, along with embracing fresh >> blood in a dynamic way of >> input on this forum! >> >> When I look back at when I first joined this list, >> (only John E can tell), I >> see a ton of maturity taking place as far as the >> plethora of sometimes >> obscure, yet very relevant dialogue - one could say >> that some of us have >> opened ourselves up into forms of friendships along >> the way - flip, now >> that's a deep assumption to make, though very real >> nevertheless. >> >> The crux of my comment is that I've realised >> friendships can STILL be made >> within a diverse arena of opinion, and be accepted >> as thus. Though at times, >> I clearly recognise who the stalwarts are that cling >> to needing to be >> indifferent for the sake of it or feel they "rule >> the roost" as a result of >> linguistic perfection. Even I make "fuckups" along >> the way (am I allowed to >> say that here?). I nevertheless, feel very >> encouraged to accept that we have >> many (300 or so) "silent", less outspoken >> subscribers on our list than I >> realised at first. And THOSE are people I would like >> to hear from the MOST! >> And I am NOT, by any means targeting ANY regular >> contributors who have >> something meaningful to say to the benefit of our >> subscribers - all I want >> to hear from them is something that will further my >> knowledge or interest >> surrounding the incredible island of St.Helena and >> it's constituents. >> >> So HEY, here's to all those other 300 or so >> stringers who haven't made their >> voices known yet- let's hear from you - what is it >> that you love the most >> about St.Helena?!? And what does being on this forum >> mean the most to you?!? >> >> Best regards to all, >> Rob G >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >> Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images >> >> >> >I hope people continue to join the list and those >> who now just read feel >> >free to make contributions and express opinions. >> As in any good >> >communication, however, others hear us better if we >> are civil, certainly >> >assertive but not aggressive. So I say keep it >> passionate, full of "spice" >> >but, as we have been, always tasteful and mindful >> of the feelings of >> >others. I for one look forward to the exchanges >> especially now that the >> >list seems to have a new life. >> > Pam >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Rob G" >> > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the >> South Atlantic(Eng)" >> > >> > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:59 PM >> > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images >> > >> > >> >> Haha, I think you're absolutely correct in >> suggesting that any new or >> >> latent recruit to this list would have to muster >> up much courage to >> >> deliver an opinion - I definitely felt it when I >> first joined about 2 >> >> years back. Since then, I've learnt to throw >> caution to the wind and make >> >> my contribution despite the outcome - I mean, how >> on earth am I to reap >> >> any reward by keeping quiet on a forum, which I >> believe is ultimately >> >> driven by a passion and love for an Island, if I >> remain silent. I think >> >> we definitely want to see MORE imput by members >> on the list - no matter >> >> the significance of their related query or level >> of opinion - it's what >> >> makes for a "spicier" meal! >> >> >> >> As far as flaming is concerned... I think I have >> a solution... perhaps we >> >> could ask Thomas to consider colourising >> (colorizing) his text when he >> >> submits an opinion - in that way we can all be >> sure of his tone, (or is >> >> it hue?) (pun intended), and wether or not he >> believes the worlds most >> >> artful form of communication is best conveyed in >> "black and white" or >> >> not... >> >> >> >> Rob G >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Nissa Nystrom" >> >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the >> South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:23 AM >> >> Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images >> >> >> >> >> >>> Aaahhh, I see the list is still poised and ready >> to >> >>> attack anyone with a differing opinion! John, I >> am in >> >>> agreement with the majority, the pictures are >> >>> wonderful. So what if Thomas isn't a fan of >> >>> monochromatic art? Art and its derived >> appreciation >> >>> is completely subjective. Let the man be! I >> don't >> >>> know how anyone even thinking about joining this >> list >> >>> could ever work up the courage to put their two >> cents >> >>> in for fear of the possible repercussions. >> >>> >> >>> Nissa >> >>> >> >>> Fargo, ND USA >> >>> >> >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> >>> Do You Yahoo!? >> >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm >> mail. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >>> Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - >> Release Date: >> >>> 2007/04/26 03:23 PM >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm >> mail. >> >> >> > >> > >> > The S:t Helena Mailing List >> > To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm >> mail. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / >> Virus Database: >> > 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 2007/04/27 01:39 PM >> > >> > >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 2007/04/27 > 01:39 PM > > From cplowe at mchsi.com Sat Apr 28 17:55:21 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Sat Apr 28 17:55:20 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! References: Message-ID: <002601c789ad$a06eec40$6501a8c0@Pam> Hi Jeane, Even though you are not new to the list, a warm welcome to you, and thanks for contributing. As you can tell, we are a varied but lively bunch. Does your sister still have her St. Helena pen pal? I once phoned the island and talked to some of the Caswell family there but that is as close as I have come to the island. I am terrible at answering letters so do not dare take a pen pal so the list serves to keep me in touch. I look forward to hearing more from you. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: Lem26on@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi, Rob and everyone else on the list. I guess I am one of the members who lurks in the background and reads the messages, but have not contributed too much in the way of messages from me. My interest in St. Helena came through my sister who has a pen pal on St. Helena. So, I have been interested in learning about the people on the Island. I will try to contribute more often in the future. My best to you all. Jeane McGrath from New York State in U.S.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/79acdc15/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Sat Apr 28 18:02:16 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Sat Apr 28 18:02:13 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! References: <399422.71323.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com><000001c78941$766aaa90$0200a8c0@dad><001001c7898b$2e6fd950$6501a8c0@Pam> <006301c78998$3d949350$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <004101c789ae$98030cc0$6501a8c0@Pam> I nevertheless, feel very encouraged to accept that we have > many (300 or so) "silent", less outspoken subscribers on our list than I > realised at first. Rob, I second your call to our silent members. Do not let us "talkative" few overwhelm you. I would particularly love to hear from people who live on St Helena (always appreciate John's comments) and those fortunate enough to visit to give us a true flavour of the island. Of course, it is also great to continue to hear from the regular contributors who are beginning to feel like family. From joocee at btopenworld.com Sat Apr 28 18:04:26 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Sat Apr 28 18:04:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images References: <000c01c788b7$7501e680$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <001301c789ae$eaba6f30$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> Praises be! I have just taken the revised RMS. schedule off the web, and my voyage 104 has not been changed! I have also read about the St.H. website members having a party on the island.What a brilliant idea- I wonder if there are any other 'webbers' on that voyage - it would be good to put faces to the message senders - an email from the island's pet bank manager a little while ago, said the same thing - I found a photo of him on the Bank staff website - good looking chap, he is too!!! Silence from me for a while as I am off to my other favourite island - Malta, for a break. Bit different from St. H. over populated - 370.000 at the last count, and yes! they have the dreaded mobile phones !!! My late husband was in the Royal Navy and as a family we spent 5 years on Malta in the 70's - it is very touristy now- the main 'industry' but I have many friends there and go back every 2 years or so to catch up, and to make sure they are behaving themselves ! I'll be back on line next month - till then, keep up the correspondance and I'll spend a fascinating couple of hours reading it all.Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Cc: tristan-da-cunha@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: [STHELENA] preview of images Dear subscribers, Over the past 18 months I have worked with a giant project - digitalizing the images taken by the Swedish artist Roland Svensson. He was not only an artist and writer but also a very good photographer. At the beginning I had a very good speed but it slowed down when my scanner got bananas. A new slide-scanner had to be purchased but at the same time my office took more and more overtime. Sitting and working 9-10 hours with a PC made me very tired in the evenings so no scanning for months. But I also realized that I am almost halfway in scanning the 4000 slides that comprises the boxes of slides from just Tristan da Cunha that Roland took during his 5 visits. In same way these images can be of interest for you that are on the list so today I created images from 4 slide-magazines. As you can see on the following link I choosed black/white images together with his drawings. Unfortunately some Swedish words appear when choosing image - but you will learn after testing the different words and their purpose. A reminder - these images are just for the members on the mailing-list. Comments are welcomed. I hope you will enjoy the show! http://www.sthelena.se/RS_slideshow/Preview.htm Greetings from a sunny and warm Sweden John Ekwall Coordinator www.sthelena.se ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/d7980871/attachment.htm From john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se Sat Apr 28 19:04:11 2007 From: john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se (John Ekwall) Date: Sat Apr 28 19:04:53 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... Message-ID: <001c01c789b7$47d43ae0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> has been on the webpage (www.sthelena.se) since 1995. Maybe you have missed the link http://www.sthelena.se/photo/photo.htm on the index-side. You're welcome to contribute! Regarding the art of Roland Svensson - most of his South Atlantic works are on this link http://www.sthelena.se/art/roland.htm. Since 2003 I've started to present Roland's work (from his start in the 30ies) on the Swedish website http://rolands-art.org/verk/index.htm. I am awaiting material concerning the 60ies - a very productive period in Roland's life - to be presented here. I have pledged for a English version as well as foreign membership in the Society - it's still discussed in the board. Though it's in Swedish I think you can navigate between the decades (click on image for a bigger size - will open in a new window - so allow pop-ups). In short - Roland Svensson was always interested in the life of harsh windswept-environmens such as the Stockholm outer archipelago - Shetlands - Orkneys - Tristan da Cunha (already in 1946!) and has visited these abroad islands several times. His heart was divided by Tristan da Cunha and his own archipelago (east of Stockholm) during his last years of living (I think Tristan was his main interest after all). If you ever speak to an elderly Tristanian - say Roland Svensson - and you will just have positive reactions! John Ekwall Coordinator of www.sthelena.se and www.rolands-art.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/7c966b65/attachment.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Sat Apr 28 19:35:23 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Sat Apr 28 19:35:33 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... References: <001c01c789b7$47d43ae0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <002b01c789bb$9f725b70$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> Rolands paintings and sketches are so lovely - perhaps the day will come when e can buy themon notlelets, post cards etc. Are there any actual paintings in the St.H. Museum ? I would be more than willing to buy a couple. Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Cc: tristan-da-cunha@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... has been on the webpage (www.sthelena.se) since 1995. Maybe you have missed the link http://www.sthelena.se/photo/photo.htm on the index-side. You're welcome to contribute! Regarding the art of Roland Svensson - most of his South Atlantic works are on this link http://www.sthelena.se/art/roland.htm. Since 2003 I've started to present Roland's work (from his start in the 30ies) on the Swedish website http://rolands-art.org/verk/index.htm. I am awaiting material concerning the 60ies - a very productive period in Roland's life - to be presented here. I have pledged for a English version as well as foreign membership in the Society - it's still discussed in the board. Though it's in Swedish I think you can navigate between the decades (click on image for a bigger size - will open in a new window - so allow pop-ups). In short - Roland Svensson was always interested in the life of harsh windswept-environmens such as the Stockholm outer archipelago - Shetlands - Orkneys - Tristan da Cunha (already in 1946!) and has visited these abroad islands several times. His heart was divided by Tristan da Cunha and his own archipelago (east of Stockholm) during his last years of living (I think Tristan was his main interest after all). If you ever speak to an elderly Tristanian - say Roland Svensson - and you will just have positive reactions! John Ekwall Coordinator of www.sthelena.se and www.rolands-art.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/df004eb3/attachment-0001.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Sat Apr 28 20:08:44 2007 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Sat Apr 28 20:08:52 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... References: <001c01c789b7$47d43ae0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <001701c789c0$44168080$6209f204@fmk4n> John, Those pictures of St. Helena in the 1960s reminded me of my first visit there on May 21, 1960. I have visited the island three times, the first time for hours, the second time for days, and the third time for months. But let me tell you about the first time. I was a young photojournalist, working my passage from South Africa to England as a greaser's peggy aboard the liner Warwick Castle. The greasers were the engineroom men who squirted oil on the pistons as they went up and down, or so I believed, and the greaser's peggy was personal steward to eight of them. I fetched their meals, changed their bed linen, and hid the sheets and the galley silverware when we got to port, otherwise they'd take it ashore and sell it for booze. In short, the greaser's peggy was the lowest form of life on the ship. Our call at St. Helena lasted little more than 12 hours, just long enough for the crew to go ashore in relays, get absolutely drunk, and came staggering back in time to go on watch. I went ashore about 2 p.m. in a long, narrow, whaleboat with 14 other passengers. The boat was powered by a 3 1/2 horsepower Seagull outboard motor and moved along quite nicely. I sat in the bows and got soaked. The fare was 2 shillings each way. As I was strolling to town I spied an ancient charabanc filled with pretty young women, passengers from the Castle boat. I found out they were about to do a tour of the island for 12 shillings apiece, so I joined them. We visited the usual tourist spots and at Longwood had tea and as many cakes as we could eat for 2s. 6d. We ended up in the bar at the Consulate, of course, where a young Saint boy offered me "a room and his nice clean sister" -- a particularly brazen offer, since I was sitting with three gorgeous South African girls. The little tike probably guessed I wasn't going to get any action out of those three. Regrettably, he was right. John Vigor WA, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/6fcaeb91/attachment.htm From calvillo45 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 28 20:30:45 2007 From: calvillo45 at hotmail.com (Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri) Date: Sat Apr 28 20:31:12 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Bank Secrecy Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/fb0fb122/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Sat Apr 28 20:42:05 2007 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (Rob G) Date: Sat Apr 28 21:42:41 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... References: <001c01c789b7$47d43ae0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <001701c789c0$44168080$6209f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <002b01c789c4$ede8c9c0$0200a8c0@dad> So John V was once a greaser who got wet on the bow and was lucky enough to tour and savour an extra slice of cake on Helena? Gosh, no wonder the exchange rate has increased so much since then. Hehe! Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Members photos... John, Those pictures of St. Helena in the 1960s reminded me of my first visit there on May 21, 1960. I have visited the island three times, the first time for hours, the second time for days, and the third time for months. But let me tell you about the first time. I was a young photojournalist, working my passage from South Africa to England as a greaser's peggy aboard the liner Warwick Castle. The greasers were the engineroom men who squirted oil on the pistons as they went up and down, or so I believed, and the greaser's peggy was personal steward to eight of them. I fetched their meals, changed their bed linen, and hid the sheets and the galley silverware when we got to port, otherwise they'd take it ashore and sell it for booze. In short, the greaser's peggy was the lowest form of life on the ship. Our call at St. Helena lasted little more than 12 hours, just long enough for the crew to go ashore in relays, get absolutely drunk, and came staggering back in time to go on watch. I went ashore about 2 p.m. in a long, narrow, whaleboat with 14 other passengers. The boat was powered by a 3 1/2 horsepower Seagull outboard motor and moved along quite nicely. I sat in the bows and got soaked. The fare was 2 shillings each way. As I was strolling to town I spied an ancient charabanc filled with pretty young women, passengers from the Castle boat. I found out they were about to do a tour of the island for 12 shillings apiece, so I joined them. We visited the usual tourist spots and at Longwood had tea and as many cakes as we could eat for 2s. 6d. We ended up in the bar at the Consulate, of course, where a young Saint boy offered me "a room and his nice clean sister" -- a particularly brazen offer, since I was sitting with three gorgeous South African girls. The little tike probably guessed I wasn't going to get any action out of those three. Regrettably, he was right. John Vigor WA, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 2007/04/27 01:39 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/410846e6/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Sat Apr 28 23:01:21 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Sat Apr 28 23:01:18 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... References: <001c01c789b7$47d43ae0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <001701c789c0$44168080$6209f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <001e01c789d8$5fba3ad0$6501a8c0@Pam> "In short, the greaser's peggy was the lowest form of life on the ship". John, I just love your story and had never heard of a greaser or his peggy. What a great experience!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070428/95f2cd8d/attachment.htm From riding at lando.co.za Sun Apr 29 09:02:32 2007 From: riding at lando.co.za (Claus Riding) Date: Sun Apr 29 09:02:35 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! In-Reply-To: <255902.72455.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi there Another one stepping out of the shadows. I have been following what has been going on on this list for some time and enjoy most of the dialogue, especially topics relating directly to the island. My wife have been to St Helena in 2005 & 2006 and have fallen for its charm and its people. If we can afford it and the local laws allow it we may even try to retire there in about 10 years time. It is strange that with so many houses standing empty (abandoned) that the average house price seems to be way above what we pay in South Africa. One example advertised was a 2 bed roomed house with a little bit of land around it for 50000 pounds. By the way, I find reading the St Helena Independent online a very good way of keeping up to date with happenings on the island. (The spelling and grammar is also interesting at times) Regards Claus -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [ mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: 28 April 2007 04:55 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Kudos to you also Rob! It looks like your invitation has inspired one person to step out of the shadows already. I would like to say welcome to her and also that I look forward to hearing more from her as well. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 2007/04/28 03:32 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070429/c9b03b74/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 29 09:17:21 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Sun Apr 29 09:17:56 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Still Waiting!! was... preview of images In-Reply-To: <002101c78984$ed697bb0$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> Message-ID: <20070429071725.1954F248E@ctb-mesg8.saix.net> There are worse places than Cape Town to be hanging around in, Juliet!! It looks as if we are going to have another few days here. The latest news from the RMS front is that when (if?) it arrives later today, it will need three days for - can you guess - engine repairs!! So the new tentative sailing date is Wednesday May 3, BUT it is a public holiday here in Tuesday (May Day/Workers Day) and it was a public Holiday on Friday, so many people have made it a long weekend. So what are the chances of the work being done on Tuesday. Perhaps closer to zero than one would wish. That in turn makes the probability of a lift off on Wednesday less likely. But what is to happen to us passengers? We have been told to bard on Monday at 15h00 sharp (because of new port regulations). Will we be on the ship, stuck in the security area of the docks, while the repairs are carried out? Will we now be told NOT to board tomorrow, leaving us to find alternative accommodation, re-hire cars etc? Who knows? All I do know is that Andrew Weir don't seem to have much of a customer focused vision when it comes to bookings and the like. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 9:04 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island What a wally I am ! Not having read John's prologue fully - or too quickly- I took it for granted that the display of photos, in Glorious black and white - were all of St. H. No wonder I can't recall a boat building yard ! Thanks for correcting me ! So when I am on the island I'll carry on looking at the geolgical wonders and the endemic plants ! Thanks too for the info. on the period of Non- smoking - pre the RMS. return - I had visions of the precious fag being passed round for a limited number of puffs! As a non- smoker, I can't commiserate with the addicts, but if it gives them solace, so be it . Hope you haven't waited too long in Cape Town for the RMS, Terry - I chart her progress on the 'ship locator' on the RMS. website most days, but knowing of her very late departure from Portland, I feel that it will take some steaming to catch up on the schedule. I am booked to board her in Capetown mid-August, but the nice lady in A.Weir's booking office assures me that there should be no problem by that time - here's hoping. I know last year, when we were delayed two days in Portland, those two days were caught up, but a fortnight is a different problem, me thinks. I don't want to hang around Capetown - I want to be on St. Helena! ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island I agree with Juliet that we should thank John for the opportunity of seeing such an excellent record of life in Tristan da Cunha and the opportunity to see some first class photography. I particularly liked the shots on page 4 of the sailing boats - lovely compositions. Juliet, you say that you will have eight days on the island in August. I assume you mean St Helena rather than Tristan? You won't see any scenes such as those in the pictures - there are no boats being built on St Helena. What boats there are have all been imported. You will be able to go out, possibly with a fisherman on his boat, or on one of the several boats that take visitors out for diving or just to see the dolphins (and occasional whales) - a trip well worth doing. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 1:30 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images Thankyou John for all the dedicated andhardwork put in, to produce those images. I am no great photographer - but doappreciate that black and white is a great medium . As I scanned through them Iirealsiedthat these were taken in earlier days- 50's perhaps. What struck me was the great amount of handfishing that took place, and the building of boats was prominent. In my short stay last year, I do not recall seeing anyone fishing - but then perhaps I did not visit the right spots. I will have 8 days on the island in August, so will be able to visit many more places than previously - you never know, I might find a fisherman, and possibly a boat being built - the latter always good for photography. Can someone tell me where these activities take place - if they do these days - in anticipation, thanks ! Juliet. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070429/f82b14e7/attachment.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Sun Apr 29 10:56:52 2007 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Sun Apr 29 10:57:02 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Still Waiting!! was... preview of images References: <20070429071725.1954F248E@ctb-mesg8.saix.net> Message-ID: <001e01c78a3c$59dbb3f0$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> You poor souls! but perhaps there are worse places to wait around - it is the uncertainty of when the big lift off will take place ! I experienced a similar wait at Portland last October - cold, grey and grim place at the best of times - wet October ..... We were offered on the first day coaches into Weymouth - most stayed put - at least we had food and bed, already paid for, on board. Second day - engines ready, but oh dear ! there is an electrical fault - so we prolong the stay in Portland. The next day we were off, onto the bumpy, lumpy seas of La Manche.This spring, RMS. was two weeks late in leaving its home port - a heck of a lot of sailing time to catch up- but to hear from you of another engine problem is a little worrying. She really is getting beyond her 'best by date' !! But when you do get on board, happy sailing, and enjoy that remore South Atlantic Island. Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Still Waiting!! was... preview of images There are worse places than Cape Town to be hanging around in, Juliet!! It looks as if we are going to have another few days here. The latest news from the RMS front is that when (if?) it arrives later today, it will need three days for - can you guess - engine repairs!! So the new tentative sailing date is Wednesday May 3, BUT it is a public holiday here in Tuesday (May Day/Workers Day) and it was a public Holiday on Friday, so many people have made it a long weekend. So what are the chances of the work being done on Tuesday. Perhaps closer to zero than one would wish. That in turn makes the probability of a lift off on Wednesday less likely. But what is to happen to us passengers? We have been told to bard on Monday at 15h00 sharp (because of new port regulations). Will we be on the ship, stuck in the security area of the docks, while the repairs are carried out? Will we now be told NOT to board tomorrow, leaving us to find alternative accommodation, re-hire cars etc? Who knows? All I do know is that Andrew Weir don't seem to have much of a customer focused vision when it comes to bookings and the like. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 9:04 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island What a wally I am ! Not having read John's prologue fully - or too quickly- I took it for granted that the display of photos, in Glorious black and white - were all of St. H. No wonder I can't recall a boat building yard ! Thanks for correcting me ! So when I am on the island I'll carry on looking at the geolgical wonders and the endemic plants ! Thanks too for the info. on the period of Non- smoking - pre the RMS. return - I had visions of the precious fag being passed round for a limited number of puffs! As a non- smoker, I can't commiserate with the addicts, but if it gives them solace, so be it . Hope you haven't waited too long in Cape Town for the RMS, Terry - I chart her progress on the 'ship locator' on the RMS. website most days, but knowing of her very late departure from Portland, I feel that it will take some steaming to catch up on the schedule. I am booked to board her in Capetown mid-August, but the nice lady in A.Weir's booking office assures me that there should be no problem by that time - here's hoping. I know last year, when we were delayed two days in Portland, those two days were caught up, but a fortnight is a different problem, me thinks. I don't want to hang around Capetown - I want to be on St. Helena! ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island I agree with Juliet that we should thank John for the opportunity of seeing such an excellent record of life in Tristan da Cunha and the opportunity to see some first class photography. I particularly liked the shots on page 4 of the sailing boats - lovely compositions. Juliet, you say that you will have eight days on the island in August. I assume you mean St Helena rather than Tristan? You won't see any scenes such as those in the pictures - there are no boats being built on St Helena. What boats there are have all been imported. You will be able to go out, possibly with a fisherman on his boat, or on one of the several boats that take visitors out for diving or just to see the dolphins (and occasional whales) - a trip well worth doing. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 1:30 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images Thankyou John for all the dedicated andhardwork put in, to produce those images. I am no great photographer - but doappreciate that black and white is a great medium . As I scanned through them Iirealsiedthat these were taken in earlier days- 50's perhaps. What struck me was the great amount of handfishing that took place, and the building of boats was prominent. In my short stay last year, I do not recall seeing anyone fishing - but then perhaps I did not visit the right spots. I will have 8 days on the island in August, so will be able to visit many more places than previously - you never know, I might find a fisherman, and possibly a boat being built - the latter always good for photography. Can someone tell me where these activities take place - if they do these days - in anticipation, thanks ! Juliet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070429/11d459a7/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 29 11:05:02 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Sun Apr 29 11:05:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! In-Reply-To: <006301c78998$3d949350$0200a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <20070429090526.CDD6C2106@ctb-mesg7.saix.net> G'day Rob, I don't know if you've had much experience with Lists and Forums on the Internet, but there have been some interesting studies about participation, which are borne out by my personal experience. About 5% of the List members will post on a regular basis, unafraid to express their opinions. A small number of these regular posters - about 20% - will feel that the anonymity of the List allows them to be rude and express themselves in a way that they probably would not do face to face - the so-called flaming. Some of the perceived bad manners of these postings is an off beat sense of humour, but in the absence of body language, humour is sometimes difficult to pull off in cyberspace, unless the poster resorts to LOL or or FALMAO (Fall about Laughing My Ass Off) or some of the other indicators of humour. Of the 95% non posters - often referred to as 'lurkers' - about 20% will post when a subject particularly interests them or if they feel strongly about something - often a post from the flamer members will trigger a response. The rest will read, presumably with interest or they would go off List, but not respond. Hopefully the two 'lurkers' you have flushed out will become regulars, but there is probably no hope of getting the rest to put finger to keyboard on a regular basis. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Rob G Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 11:22 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Well said Pam - and I sincerely DO appreciate your stance! You've inspired me!!! Hey Thomas G, are you still alive and kicking?!? Come now, we've got lots of work ahead of us if we are to entice, encourage and provoke healthy, informative comment, along with embracing fresh blood in a dynamic way of input on this forum! When I look back at when I first joined this list, (only John E can tell), I see a ton of maturity taking place as far as the plethora of sometimes obscure, yet very relevant dialogue - one could say that some of us have opened ourselves up into forms of friendships along the way - flip, now that's a deep assumption to make, though very real nevertheless. The crux of my comment is that I've realised friendships can STILL be made within a diverse arena of opinion, and be accepted as thus. Though at times, I clearly recognise who the stalwarts are that cling to needing to be indifferent for the sake of it or feel they "rule the roost" as a result of linguistic perfection. Even I make "fuckups" along the way (am I allowed to say that here?). I nevertheless, feel very encouraged to accept that we have many (300 or so) "silent", less outspoken subscribers on our list than I realised at first. And THOSE are people I would like to hear from the MOST! And I am NOT, by any means targeting ANY regular contributors who have something meaningful to say to the benefit of our subscribers - all I want to hear from them is something that will further my knowledge or interest surrounding the incredible island of St.Helena and it's constituents. So HEY, here's to all those other 300 or so stringers who haven't made their voices known yet- let's hear from you - what is it that you love the most about St.Helena?!? And what does being on this forum mean the most to you?!? Best regards to all, Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images >I hope people continue to join the list and those who now just read feel >free to make contributions and express opinions. As in any good >communication, however, others hear us better if we are civil, certainly >assertive but not aggressive. So I say keep it passionate, full of "spice" >but, as we have been, always tasteful and mindful of the feelings of >others. I for one look forward to the exchanges especially now that the >list seems to have a new life. > Pam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob G" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:59 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images > > >> Haha, I think you're absolutely correct in suggesting that any new or >> latent recruit to this list would have to muster up much courage to >> deliver an opinion - I definitely felt it when I first joined about 2 >> years back. Since then, I've learnt to throw caution to the wind and make >> my contribution despite the outcome - I mean, how on earth am I to reap >> any reward by keeping quiet on a forum, which I believe is ultimately >> driven by a passion and love for an Island, if I remain silent. I think >> we definitely want to see MORE imput by members on the list - no matter >> the significance of their related query or level of opinion - it's what >> makes for a "spicier" meal! >> >> As far as flaming is concerned... I think I have a solution... perhaps we >> could ask Thomas to consider colourising (colorizing) his text when he >> submits an opinion - in that way we can all be sure of his tone, (or is >> it hue?) (pun intended), and wether or not he believes the worlds most >> artful form of communication is best conveyed in "black and white" or >> not... >> >> Rob G >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nissa Nystrom" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:23 AM >> Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Black and white images >> >> >>> Aaahhh, I see the list is still poised and ready to >>> attack anyone with a differing opinion! John, I am in >>> agreement with the majority, the pictures are >>> wonderful. So what if Thomas isn't a fan of >>> monochromatic art? Art and its derived appreciation >>> is completely subjective. Let the man be! I don't >>> know how anyone even thinking about joining this list >>> could ever work up the courage to put their two cents >>> in for fear of the possible repercussions. >>> >>> Nissa >>> >>> Fargo, ND USA >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: >>> 2007/04/26 03:23 PM >>> >>> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: > 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 2007/04/27 01:39 PM > > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 29 11:22:57 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Sun Apr 29 11:23:33 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... In-Reply-To: <001c01c789b7$47d43ae0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <20070429092300.E38372081@ctb-mesg5.saix.net> G'day John, Funnily enough, I went back to the web page after I had posted that mail and saw the Link to the photos, which I had overlooked previously. There are no instructions on how to send pics to you - will we just e-mail them to you at john.ekwall@mailbox.swipnet.se ? Do you want them in any particular size or format. I'd guess that as far as size is concerned, smaller would be better? All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Ekwall Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 3:04 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Cc: tristan-da-cunha@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... has been on the webpage (www.sthelena.se) since 1995. Maybe you have missed the link http://www.sthelena.se/photo/photo.htm on the index-side. You're welcome to contribute! Regarding the art of Roland Svensson - most of his South Atlantic works are on this link http://www.sthelena.se/art/roland.htm. Since 2003 I've started to present Roland's work (from his start in the 30ies) on the Swedish website http://rolands-art.org/verk/index.htm. I am awaiting material concerning the 60ies - a very productive period in Roland's life - to be presented here. I have pledged for a English version as well as foreign membership in the Society - it's still discussed in the board. Though it's in Swedish I think you can navigate between the decades (click on image for a bigger size - will open in a new window - so allow pop-ups). In short - Roland Svensson was always interested in the life of harsh windswept-environmens such as the Stockholm outer archipelago - Shetlands - Orkneys - Tristan da Cunha (already in 1946!) and has visited these abroad islands several times. His heart was divided by Tristan da Cunha and his own archipelago (east of Stockholm) during his last years of living (I think Tristan was his main interest after all). If you ever speak to an elderly Tristanian - say Roland Svensson - and you will just have positive reactions! John Ekwall Coordinator of www.sthelena.se and www.rolands-art.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: Claus Riding To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:02 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi there Another one stepping out of the shadows. I have been following what has been going on on this list for some time and enjoy most of the dialogue, especially topics relating directly to the island. My wife have been to St Helena in 2005 & 2006 and have fallen for its charm and its people. If we can afford it and the local laws allow it we may even try to retire there in about 10 years time. It is strange that with so many houses standing empty (abandoned) that the average house price seems to be way above what we pay in South Africa. One example advertised was a 2 bed roomed house with a little bit of land around it for 50000 pounds. By the way, I find reading the St Helena Independent online a very good way of keeping up to date with happenings on the island. (The spelling and grammar is also interesting at times) Regards Claus -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: 28 April 2007 04:55 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Kudos to you also Rob! It looks like your invitation has inspired one person to step out of the shadows already. I would like to say welcome to her and also that I look forward to hearing more from her as well. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070429/b88fe7be/attachment.htm From riding at lando.co.za Sun Apr 29 16:03:30 2007 From: riding at lando.co.za (Claus Riding) Date: Sun Apr 29 16:03:17 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! In-Reply-To: <002101c78a62$ac432c60$6501a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: Hi Pam I live in Ceres in the Western Cape about 140km north east of Cape Town. If you are interested have a look at www.ceres.org.za There are a St Helena Bay and a St Helena town about 220km from here. Some people get confused when I tell them I have been to St Helena on holiday. When I tell them - THE ISLAND - they invariably either ask "Where is that?" or "Isn't that the island where the boer war prisoners were held". It is strange how things work out. Recently I placed a little free advert in a local magazine telling people to go on holiday to St Helena Island. An client of mine read the advert and phoned me to tell him more about the island. He in turn went on a business trip to Johannesburg where one of his clients somehow got around to telling him she recently found a diary of her grandfather's, detailing his time as a boer war prisoner. The lady contacted me and I'll be visiting her in three weeks time. Regards Claus -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD Sent: 29 April 2007 03:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi there, Good to hear from you. Where is South Africa are you? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: Claus Riding To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:02 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi there Another one stepping out of the shadows. I have been following what has been going on on this list for some time and enjoy most of the dialogue, especially topics relating directly to the island. My wife have been to St Helena in 2005 & 2006 and have fallen for its charm and its people. If we can afford it and the local laws allow it we may even try to retire there in about 10 years time. It is strange that with so many houses standing empty (abandoned) that the average house price seems to be way above what we pay in South Africa. One example advertised was a 2 bed roomed house with a little bit of land around it for 50000 pounds. By the way, I find reading the St Helena Independent online a very good way of keeping up to date with happenings on the island. (The spelling and grammar is also interesting at times) Regards Claus -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [ mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: 28 April 2007 04:55 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Kudos to you also Rob! It looks like your invitation has inspired one person to step out of the shadows already. I would like to say welcome to her and also that I look forward to hearing more from her as well. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 2007/04/28 03:32 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070429/79bd5b39/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 29 17:15:00 2007 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Sun Apr 29 17:16:03 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070429151529.357B67786@ctb-mesg-1-1.saix.net> Claus, We had a bit of a laugh about six years ago when a Golf Tournament had been arranged on the island as part of the campaign to attract more visitors. Clearly the advertising hadn't distinguished between St Helena Bay and St Helena Island because all the initial enthusiasm died away when people found that instead of having a long weekend in the Western Cape they were in for a three week round trip. In the end only two women golfers showed up for the tournament. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Claus Riding Sent: Monday, 30 April 2007 12:04 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi Pam I live in Ceres in the Western Cape about 140km north east of Cape Town. If you are interested have a look at www.ceres.org.za There are a St Helena Bay and a St Helena town about 220km from here. Some people get confused when I tell them I have been to St Helena on holiday. When I tell them - THE ISLAND - they invariably either ask "Where is that?" or "Isn't that the island where the boer war prisoners were held". It is strange how things work out. Recently I placed a little free advert in a local magazine telling people to go on holiday to St Helena Island. An client of mine read the advert and phoned me to tell him more about the island. He in turn went on a business trip to Johannesburg where one of his clients somehow got around to telling him she recently found a diary of her grandfather's, detailing his time as a boer war prisoner. The lady contacted me and I'll be visiting her in three weeks time. Regards Claus -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD Sent: 29 April 2007 03:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi there, Good to hear from you. Where is South Africa are you? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: Claus Riding To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:02 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi there Another one stepping out of the shadows. I have been following what has been going on on this list for some time and enjoy most of the dialogue, especially topics relating directly to the island. My wife have been to St Helena in 2005 & 2006 and have fallen for its charm and its people. If we can afford it and the local laws allow it we may even try to retire there in about 10 years time. It is strange that with so many houses standing empty (abandoned) that the average house price seems to be way above what we pay in South Africa. One example advertised was a 2 bed roomed house with a little bit of land around it for 50000 pounds. By the way, I find reading the St Helena Independent online a very good way of keeping up to date with happenings on the island. (The spelling and grammar is also interesting at times) Regards Claus -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: 28 April 2007 04:55 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Kudos to you also Rob! It looks like your invitation has inspired one person to step out of the shadows already. I would like to say welcome to her and also that I look forward to hearing more from her as well. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070430/e56f31ea/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Mon Apr 30 01:47:12 2007 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Mon Apr 30 01:48:06 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Still Waiting!! was... preview of images References: <20070429071725.1954F248E@ctb-mesg8.saix.net> Message-ID: <003301c78ab8$b61d5660$6400a8c0@main> Ah... seems like old times! I was scheduled in 1999 (the year it broke down in France), went back again in 2000. At that point (2000), our first day out from Cape Town, black smoke came out of the RMS, so we turned around, and stayed in Cape Town. Got it "fixed" the next day, went to St Helena. Then when I did the Tristan portion, one of the engines blew, so we were on one engine for the voyage to Tristan while they tried to fix it while moving. They managed to, but for 24hrs we were going slow, under only one engine. What's going to happen between the time the RMS won't run anymore and the airport actually gets built and accepts planes? I have this bad feeling that even with the best of intentions, there's going to be a very long window between the two... Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Still Waiting!! was... preview of images There are worse places than Cape Town to be hanging around in, Juliet!! It looks as if we are going to have another few days here. The latest news from the RMS front is that when (if?) it arrives later today, it will need three days for - can you guess - engine repairs!! So the new tentative sailing date is Wednesday May 3, BUT it is a public holiday here in Tuesday (May Day/Workers Day) and it was a public Holiday on Friday, so many people have made it a long weekend. So what are the chances of the work being done on Tuesday. Perhaps closer to zero than one would wish. That in turn makes the probability of a lift off on Wednesday less likely. But what is to happen to us passengers? We have been told to bard on Monday at 15h00 sharp (because of new port regulations). Will we be on the ship, stuck in the security area of the docks, while the repairs are carried out? Will we now be told NOT to board tomorrow, leaving us to find alternative accommodation, re-hire cars etc? Who knows? All I do know is that Andrew Weir don't seem to have much of a customer focused vision when it comes to bookings and the like. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 9:04 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island What a wally I am ! Not having read John's prologue fully - or too quickly- I took it for granted that the display of photos, in Glorious black and white - were all of St. H. No wonder I can't recall a boat building yard ! Thanks for correcting me ! So when I am on the island I'll carry on looking at the geolgical wonders and the endemic plants ! Thanks too for the info. on the period of Non- smoking - pre the RMS. return - I had visions of the precious fag being passed round for a limited number of puffs! As a non- smoker, I can't commiserate with the addicts, but if it gives them solace, so be it . Hope you haven't waited too long in Cape Town for the RMS, Terry - I chart her progress on the 'ship locator' on the RMS. website most days, but knowing of her very late departure from Portland, I feel that it will take some steaming to catch up on the schedule. I am booked to board her in Capetown mid-August, but the nice lady in A.Weir's booking office assures me that there should be no problem by that time - here's hoping. I know last year, when we were delayed two days in Portland, those two days were caught up, but a fortnight is a different problem, me thinks. I don't want to hang around Capetown - I want to be on St. Helena! ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island I agree with Juliet that we should thank John for the opportunity of seeing such an excellent record of life in Tristan da Cunha and the opportunity to see some first class photography. I particularly liked the shots on page 4 of the sailing boats - lovely compositions. Juliet, you say that you will have eight days on the island in August. I assume you mean St Helena rather than Tristan? You won't see any scenes such as those in the pictures - there are no boats being built on St Helena. What boats there are have all been imported. You will be able to go out, possibly with a fisherman on his boat, or on one of the several boats that take visitors out for diving or just to see the dolphins (and occasional whales) - a trip well worth doing. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 1:30 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images Thankyou John for all the dedicated andhardwork put in, to produce those images. I am no great photographer - but doappreciate that black and white is a great medium . As I scanned through them Iirealsiedthat these were taken in earlier days- 50's perhaps. What struck me was the great amount of handfishing that took place, and the building of boats was prominent. In my short stay last year, I do not recall seeing anyone fishing - but then perhaps I did not visit the right spots. I will have 8 days on the island in August, so will be able to visit many more places than previously - you never know, I might find a fisherman, and possibly a boat being built - the latter always good for photography. Can someone tell me where these activities take place - if they do these days - in anticipation, thanks ! Juliet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070429/0ed1bd1d/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Mon Apr 30 05:25:19 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Mon Apr 30 05:25:13 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! References: Message-ID: <001701c78ad7$2e619fa0$6501a8c0@Pam> Hi Claus, My great grand father was a soldier in the Boer War stationed on St Helena Island. It seems he left,with his St Helenean wife and three year old daughter (my grand mother) in 1903. I would love to hear what it was like from the point of view of the prisoner so I hope the client will let you share the contents of her grandfather's diary. I looked at the Ceres web site and can see why it is called the Eden of Africa. I hope to visit South Africa one day soon so went straight to the tourist and accommodation information. IWe hope to make it a two or three week trip so we can see the many facets of the country. Thanks for sharing and look forward to hearing more from you. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: Claus Riding To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi Pam I live in Ceres in the Western Cape about 140km north east of Cape Town. If you are interested have a look at www.ceres.org.za There are a St Helena Bay and a St Helena town about 220km from here. Some people get confused when I tell them I have been to St Helena on holiday. When I tell them - THE ISLAND - they invariably either ask "Where is that?" or "Isn't that the island where the boer war prisoners were held". It is strange how things work out. Recently I placed a little free advert in a local magazine telling people to go on holiday to St Helena Island. An client of mine read the advert and phoned me to tell him more about the island. He in turn went on a business trip to Johannesburg where one of his clients somehow got around to telling him she recently found a diary of her grandfather's, detailing his time as a boer war prisoner. The lady contacted me and I'll be visiting her in three weeks time. Regards Claus -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD Sent: 29 April 2007 03:31 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi there, Good to hear from you. Where is South Africa are you? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: Claus Riding To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:02 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hi there Another one stepping out of the shadows. I have been following what has been going on on this list for some time and enjoy most of the dialogue, especially topics relating directly to the island. My wife have been to St Helena in 2005 & 2006 and have fallen for its charm and its people. If we can afford it and the local laws allow it we may even try to retire there in about 10 years time. It is strange that with so many houses standing empty (abandoned) that the average house price seems to be way above what we pay in South Africa. One example advertised was a 2 bed roomed house with a little bit of land around it for 50000 pounds. By the way, I find reading the St Helena Independent online a very good way of keeping up to date with happenings on the island. (The spelling and grammar is also interesting at times) Regards Claus -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: 28 April 2007 04:55 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Kudos to you also Rob! It looks like your invitation has inspired one person to step out of the shadows already. I would like to say welcome to her and also that I look forward to hearing more from her as well. Nissa Fargo, ND USA --- Rob G wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070429/943828ec/attachment.htm From powellnathan at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 30 11:11:33 2007 From: powellnathan at yahoo.ca (nate powell) Date: Mon Apr 30 11:12:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Message-ID: <418118.62456.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello list, I am one of those lurkers that has been mentioned lately. In fact I have been lurking for over a year, or about 715 messages (I never delete my emails) I have been interested in St Helena for a couple of years now ever since I was cleaning the basement of my dad's house and found a book called "The Isle of St Helena" by Oswell Blakeston. My father was born in Grahamstown South Africa and while his family was there my grandfather amassed a very large collection of books on the topic of the African continent. I was a little surprised to see the book about St Helena in the collection, as to me it seems a bit different than Africa. However it was this one book that had sparked my interest in St Helena. Now that you know about why I care about the island I shall let you know more about myself. I am a Canadian. I was born in Regina Saskatchewan Canada about 21 years ago. I am a professional ballet dancer and I trained at the Royal Winnipeg Ballet School for 4 years. This last year I was a dancer with Northern Plains Ballet (www.npb.org) in Bismarck North Dakota, USA. I am currently unemployed, which is normal for many dancers in the spring and summer as ballet companies work on a contract basis and can only hire you for an average of 25-40 weeks of the year. I would like to give a shout out to Nissa in Fargo, I was there a couple of weeks ago after I left Bismarck; my grandparents live in Moorhead MN. As a performing artist ( I also play guitar and drums, as well as juggle) I have been very interested in the arts in St Helena. I have a vision which involves myself and my brother visiting St Helena and putting on a show of Canadian music and dance within the next couple of years. My question to those on the island is, what are the potential venues in which to put on a show in St Helena? School gyms are viable for dance performances. Also, is there any part of the government which allocates funding for arts? Is there any way to receive a grant for doing a show in St Helena? Most of the battle in getting to St Helena is of course to find funding to pay for such a trip. I am hoping that if I make the pitch in the right way I can get some Canada Council for the Arts funding. Funding as you can imagine is necessary for any artist, but especially ballet dancers who never make enough money. Anyhow, I am glad I have unearthed this rock and posted a message. I hope to break the statistics and continue in the dialogue. Nathan Powell currently in Regina, Saskatchewan Canada Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Martin Welfeld Sent: 28 April 2007 05:59 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Color or B&W? Thomas, What you like is simply, what you like. Sometimes we feel strongly about our likes/dislikes and make our preferences known. Sometimes our proclamations draw support or disagreement from the interested. It would be a shame if people modified their subjective judgments because of the opinions of others. Art should make the viewer think. Art should disrupt. Art should calm. Most importantly, art should be created for art's sake. My opinions differ from yours, but all that means is that I am probably drawn to a larger body of work. So what. On the technical side, B&W is far from dead or even outmoded. Among the newest features available in advanced digital cameras is the ability to create images that replicate "film-like imagery", from characteristic curve through hue and saturation, including old favorite B&W emulsions. The first photo I ever sold is a color image. Of all my images, my favorite is in color. The photo that I have made the most money from is in color. However, all my favorite photographers worked primarily in B&W. All my favorite images from the world of photography are in B&W. There is a theory that color distracts from the content and that B&W distills the content, allowing greater impact. I think that is accurate, but it does not mean that great art photography cannot be in color. Prior to the appearance of Photoshop and other image editing computer programs, B&W was much easier for the photographer to work with in terms of image control. The Zone System which originated for large format view cameras, allowed the photographer to pre-visualize the print when viewing the subject and then produce the desired image. That was not possible with color emulsions. Now, it seems that all things are possible. Technology does impact and change the production of art. Tacking away from the wind: Perhaps the members of the list who have visited St. Helena could email their favorite images to John Turner who could mount a photo exhibit at the Bank, showing the residents how their island is remembered by its visitors. PLEASE don't send John anything unless he volunteers! (John, I'm not trying to volunteer you for something while you're out of the room...) Marty Welfeld Shooting since 1950. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2223 (20070427) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From john at burghhouse.com Mon Apr 30 12:13:44 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Mon Apr 30 12:16:54 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... In-Reply-To: <002b01c789bb$9f725b70$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> References: <001c01c789b7$47d43ae0$b088fc53@TOSHIBA> <002b01c789bb$9f725b70$0201a8c0@HOME0E57978F5D> Message-ID: <01d101c78b10$3f2deb20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> There's quite a lot for sale from the Museum. As the museum's website (http://www.museumofsainthelena.com/) is still under development I'll ask the museum curator to give me a list and will post it here. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: 28 April 2007 17:35 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Members photos... Rolands paintings and sketches are so lovely - perhaps the day will come when e can buy themon notlelets, post cards etc. Are there any actual paintings in the St.H. Museum ? I would be more than willing to buy a couple. Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Cc: tristan-da-cunha@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Members photos... has been on the webpage (www.sthelena.se) since 1995. Maybe you have missed the link http://www.sthelena.se/photo/photo.htm on the index-side. You're welcome to contribute! Regarding the art of Roland Svensson - most of his South Atlantic works are on this link http://www.sthelena.se/art/roland.htm. Since 2003 I've started to present Roland's work (from his start in the 30ies) on the Swedish website http://rolands-art.org/verk/index.htm. I am awaiting material concerning the 60ies - a very productive period in Roland's life - to be presented here. I have pledged for a English version as well as foreign membership in the Society - it's still discussed in the board. Though it's in Swedish I think you can navigate between the decades (click on image for a bigger size - will open in a new window - so allow pop-ups). In short - Roland Svensson was always interested in the life of harsh windswept-environmens such as the Stockholm outer archipelago - Shetlands - Orkneys - Tristan da Cunha (already in 1946!) and has visited these abroad islands several times. His heart was divided by Tristan da Cunha and his own archipelago (east of Stockholm) during his last years of living (I think Tristan was his main interest after all). If you ever speak to an elderly Tristanian - say Roland Svensson - and you will just have positive reactions! John Ekwall Coordinator of www.sthelena.se and www.rolands-art.org _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2223 (20070427) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070430/2607d300/attachment.htm From john at burghhouse.com Mon Apr 30 12:19:43 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Mon Apr 30 12:22:51 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Bank Secrecy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01e101c78b11$14716870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Luis, Sadly under the local banking regulations the bank is not permitted to take deposits from anyone who does not have a 'clear St. Helenian connection' (details on the website but it basically means being a Saint or having business here). If this ever changes I'll publicise it on this list. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri Sent: 28 April 2007 18:31 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Bank Secrecy I would like John Turner to tell us more about bank secrecy in St. Helena. I believe that this could generate a lot of new , well paid jobs if it were promoted: Here in Mexico I know a lot of people, including myself, who would look at Saint Helena as a new option for placing our funds. Whay facilities does the bank offer ? Forget interest rates, we are looking for SECURITY. Luis Calvillo Mexico City _____ Comparte archivos de manera inmediata con Windows Live Messenger en Prodigy/MSN Haz clic aqu? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070430/24f5fa6c/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Mon Apr 30 12:24:03 2007 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Mon Apr 30 12:24:00 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! References: <418118.62456.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c78b11$ad79bd10$6501a8c0@Pam> Hi Nate, Glad to hear from and about you. I hope your idea of doing a performance on the island catches the interest of someone in St Helena (John T ) and takes root. Keep us all posted on progress. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: nate powell To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hello list, I am one of those lurkers that has been mentioned lately. In fact I have been lurking for over a year, or about 715 messages (I never delete my emails) I have been interested in St Helena for a couple of years now ever since I was cleaning the basement of my dad's house and found a book called "The Isle of St Helena" by Oswell Blakeston. My father was born in Grahamstown South Africa and while his family was there my grandfather amassed a very large collection of books on the topic of the African continent. I was a little surprised to see the book about St Helena in the collection, as to me it seems a bit different than Africa. However it was this one book that had sparked my interest in St Helena. Now that you know about why I care about the island I shall let you know more about myself. I am a Canadian. I was born in Regina Saskatchewan Canada about 21 years ago. I am a professional ballet dancer and I trained at the Royal Winnipeg Ballet School for 4 years. This last year I was a dancer with Northern Plains Ballet (www.npb.org) in Bismarck North Dakota, USA. I am currently unemployed, which is normal for many dancers in the spring and summer as ballet companies work on a contract basis and can only hire you for an average of 25-40 weeks of the year. I would like to give a shout out to Nissa in Fargo, I was there a couple of weeks ago after I left Bismarck; my grandparents live in Moorhead MN. As a performing artist ( I also play guitar and drums, as well as juggle) I have been very interested in the arts in St Helena. I have a vision which involves myself and my brother visiting St Helena and putting on a show of Canadian music and dance within the next couple of years. My question to those on the island is, what are the potential venues in which to put on a show in St Helena? School gyms are viable for dance performances. Also, is there any part of the government which allocates funding for arts? Is there any way to receive a grant for doing a show in St Helena? Most of the battle in getting to St Helena is of course to find funding to pay for such a trip. I am hoping that if I make the pitch in the right way I can get some Canada Council for the Arts funding. Funding as you can imagine is necessary for any artist, but especially ballet dancers who never make enough money. Anyhow, I am glad I have unearthed this rock and posted a message. I hope to break the statistics and continue in the dialogue. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070430/45a1f435/attachment.htm From john at burghhouse.com Mon Apr 30 12:26:09 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Mon Apr 30 12:29:23 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Still Waiting!! was... preview of images In-Reply-To: <003301c78ab8$b61d5660$6400a8c0@main> References: <20070429071725.1954F248E@ctb-mesg8.saix.net> <003301c78ab8$b61d5660$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <01f801c78b11$faa0de20$2d0b000a@shgbank45> We all fervently hope the planes' engines will be more reliable than those on the RMS currently are. [please insert humour-marker of your taste] JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: 29 April 2007 23:47 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Still Waiting!! was... preview of images Ah... seems like old times! I was scheduled in 1999 (the year it broke down in France), went back again in 2000. At that point (2000), our first day out from Cape Town, black smoke came out of the RMS, so we turned around, and stayed in Cape Town. Got it "fixed" the next day, went to St Helena. Then when I did the Tristan portion, one of the engines blew, so we were on one engine for the voyage to Tristan while they tried to fix it while moving. They managed to, but for 24hrs we were going slow, under only one engine. What's going to happen between the time the RMS won't run anymore and the airport actually gets built and accepts planes? I have this bad feeling that even with the best of intentions, there's going to be a very long window between the two... Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Still Waiting!! was... preview of images There are worse places than Cape Town to be hanging around in, Juliet!! It looks as if we are going to have another few days here. The latest news from the RMS front is that when (if?) it arrives later today, it will need three days for - can you guess - engine repairs!! So the new tentative sailing date is Wednesday May 3, BUT it is a public holiday here in Tuesday (May Day/Workers Day) and it was a public Holiday on Friday, so many people have made it a long weekend. So what are the chances of the work being done on Tuesday. Perhaps closer to zero than one would wish. That in turn makes the probability of a lift off on Wednesday less likely. But what is to happen to us passengers? We have been told to bard on Monday at 15h00 sharp (because of new port regulations). Will we be on the ship, stuck in the security area of the docks, while the repairs are carried out? Will we now be told NOT to board tomorrow, leaving us to find alternative accommodation, re-hire cars etc? Who knows? All I do know is that Andrew Weir don't seem to have much of a customer focused vision when it comes to bookings and the like. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 9:04 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island What a wally I am ! Not having read John's prologue fully - or too quickly- I took it for granted that the display of photos, in Glorious black and white - were all of St. H. No wonder I can't recall a boat building yard ! Thanks for correcting me ! So when I am on the island I'll carry on looking at the geolgical wonders and the endemic plants ! Thanks too for the info. on the period of Non- smoking - pre the RMS. return - I had visions of the precious fag being passed round for a limited number of puffs! As a non- smoker, I can't commiserate with the addicts, but if it gives them solace, so be it . Hope you haven't waited too long in Cape Town for the RMS, Terry - I chart her progress on the 'ship locator' on the RMS. website most days, but knowing of her very late departure from Portland, I feel that it will take some steaming to catch up on the schedule. I am booked to board her in Capetown mid-August, but the nice lady in A.Weir's booking office assures me that there should be no problem by that time - here's hoping. I know last year, when we were delayed two days in Portland, those two days were caught up, but a fortnight is a different problem, me thinks. I don't want to hang around Capetown - I want to be on St. Helena! ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Herbert To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] preview of images and visit to the island I agree with Juliet that we should thank John for the opportunity of seeing such an excellent record of life in Tristan da Cunha and the opportunity to see some first class photography. I particularly liked the shots on page 4 of the sailing boats - lovely compositions. Juliet, you say that you will have eight days on the island in August. I assume you mean St Helena rather than Tristan? You won't see any scenes such as those in the pictures - there are no boats being built on St Helena. What boats there are have all been imported. You will be able to go out, possibly with a fisherman on his boat, or on one of the several boats that take visitors out for diving or just to see the dolphins (and occasional whales) - a trip well worth doing. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia but currently waiting in Cape Town for the RMS St Helena to get here!! _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of JULIET COTTAM Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2007 1:30 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] preview of images Thankyou John for all the dedicated andhardwork put in, to produce those images. I am no great photographer - but doappreciate that black and white is a great medium . As I scanned through them Iirealsiedthat these were taken in earlier days- 50's perhaps. What struck me was the great amount of handfishing that took place, and the building of boats was prominent. In my short stay last year, I do not recall seeing anyone fishing - but then perhaps I did not visit the right spots. I will have 8 days on the island in August, so will be able to visit many more places than previously - you never know, I might find a fisherman, and possibly a boat being built - the latter always good for photography. Can someone tell me where these activities take place - if they do these days - in anticipation, thanks ! Juliet. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 2223 (20070427) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070430/dec26e3c/attachment.htm From john at burghhouse.com Mon Apr 30 12:37:06 2007 From: john at burghhouse.com (John Turner) Date: Mon Apr 30 12:40:17 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! In-Reply-To: <418118.62456.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <418118.62456.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <020301c78b13$8282acf0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> As far as I am aware there is no government fund for encouraging performance of non-St. Helenian arts here, and when the Tourism Association tried to stage a concert by one of the island's favourite Country & Western singers, Mick Flavin (which given his popularity should have been easy) it failed because it was not possible to raise enough funds for his passage (and he didn't even want to be paid for the performance). If you can get Canada Council for the Arts funding for the journey there are possible venues here, such as the Prince Andrew's School Hall and the Consulate Ballroom (I can put you in touch with people who can give you more details - please email me direct if you need that). Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of nate powell Sent: 30 April 2007 09:12 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hello list, I am one of those lurkers that has been mentioned lately. In fact I have been lurking for over a year, or about 715 messages (I never delete my emails) I have been interested in St Helena for a couple of years now ever since I was cleaning the basement of my dad's house and found a book called "The Isle of St Helena" by Oswell Blakeston. My father was born in Grahamstown South Africa and while his family was there my grandfather amassed a very large collection of books on the topic of the African continent. I was a little surprised to see the book about St Helena in the collection, as to me it seems a bit different than Africa. However it was this one book that had sparked my interest in St Helena. Now that you know about why I care about the island I shall let you know more about myself. I am a Canadian. I was born in Regina Saskatchewan Canada about 21 years ago. I am a professional ballet dancer and I trained at the Royal Winnipeg Ballet School for 4 years. This last year I was a dancer with Northern Plains Ballet (www.npb.org) in Bismarck North Dakota, USA. I am currently unemployed, which is normal for many dancers in the spring and summer as ballet companies work on a contract basis and can only hire you for an average of 25-40 weeks of the year. I would like to give a shout out to Nissa in Fargo, I was there a couple of weeks ago after I left Bismarck; my grandparents live in Moorhead MN. As a performing artist ( I also play guitar and drums, as well as juggle) I have been very interested in the arts in St Helena. I have a vision which involves myself and my brother visiting St Helena and putting on a show of Canadian music and dance within the next couple of years. My question to those on the island is, what are the potential venues in which to put on a show in St Helena? School gyms are viable for dance performances. Also, is there any part of the government which allocates funding for arts? Is there any way to receive a grant for doing a show in St Helena? Most of the battle in getting to St Helena is of course to find funding to pay for such a trip. I am hoping that if I make the pitch in the right way I can get some Canada Council for the Arts funding. Funding as you can imagine is necessary for any artist, but especially ballet dancers who never make enough money. Anyhow, I am glad I have unearthed this rock and posted a message. I hope to break the statistics and continue in the dialogue. Nathan Powell currently in Regina, Saskatchewan Canada _____ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail __________ NOD32 2223 (20070427) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070430/960ce229/attachment.htm From simon.pipe at bbc.co.uk Mon Apr 30 14:51:21 2007 From: simon.pipe at bbc.co.uk (Simon Pipe) Date: Mon Apr 30 14:51:43 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! In-Reply-To: <418118.62456.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <418118.62456.qm@web51407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3103E6DC0AB6144FB61C906EEFFB6ACD014A776F@bbcxue801.national.core.bbc.co.uk> what does your brother do? Simon Pipe North Oxfordshire reporter BBC Oxford 01295 258039 (no messages) 07834 846022 simon.pipe@bbc.co.uk ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of nate powell Sent: 30 April 2007 10:12 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A new life on this forum!!! Hello list, I am one of those lurkers that has been mentioned lately. In fact I have been lurking for over a year, or about 715 messages (I never delete my emails) I have been interested in St Helena for a couple of years now ever since I was cleaning the basement of my dad's house and found a book called "The Isle of St Helena" by Oswell Blakeston. My father was born in Grahamstown South Africa and while his family was there my grandfather amassed a very large collection of books on the topic of the African continent. I was a little surprised to see the book about St Helena in the collection, as to me it seems a bit different than Africa. However it was this one book that had sparked my interest in St Helena. Now that you know about why I care about the island I shall let you know more about myself. I am a Canadian. I was born in Regina Saskatchewan Canada about 21 years ago. I am a professional ballet dancer and I trained at the Royal Winnipeg Ballet School for 4 years. This last year I was a dancer with Northern Plains Ballet (www.npb.org) in Bismarck North Dakota, USA. I am currently unemployed, which is normal for many dancers in the spring and summer as ballet companies work on a contract basis and can only hire you for an average of 25-40 weeks of the year. I would like to give a shout out to Nissa in Fargo, I was there a couple of weeks ago after I left Bismarck; my grandparents live in Moorhead MN. As a performing artist ( I also play guitar and drums, as well as juggle) I have been very interested in the arts in St Helena. I have a vision which involves myself and my brother visiting St Helena and putting on a show of Canadian music and dance within the next couple of years. My question to those on the island is, what are the potential venues in which to put on a show in St Helena? School gyms are viable for dance performances. Also, is there any part of the government which allocates funding for arts? Is there any way to receive a grant for doing a show in St Helena? Most of the battle in getting to St Helena is of course to find funding to pay for such a trip. I am hoping that if I make the pitch in the right way I can get some Canada Council for the Arts funding. Funding as you can imagine is necessary for any artist, but especially ballet dancers who never make enough money. Anyhow, I am glad I have unearthed this rock and posted a message. I hope to break the statistics and continue in the dialogue. Nathan Powell currently in Regina, Saskatchewan Canada ________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070430/24e53a23/attachment.htm From rp at t-kartor.se Mon Apr 30 18:37:14 2007 From: rp at t-kartor.se (Rich Perkins) Date: Mon Apr 30 18:33:30 2007 Subject: [STHELENA] Teachers for St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000b01c78272$23478200$0200a8c0@dad> References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9216BC705@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> <008801c78255$933da430$2101a8c0@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20070430181217.01ceca68@194.52.167.3> At 14:01 2007-04-19 +0300, you wrote: >Given that John T's reply was for Rich Perkins (and it should be read in >that context), it's clear to me how easily something "written" could sound >offensive without hearing the tone it was conveyed in. Well, I've been working away Up North (and John Ekwall will probably understand what that means more than the rest of you) for a bit and just back to my office and email now , and am amazed at the controversy that's occurred! I find it quite funny how an innocent question out of bored curiosity (I now know about several types of English, but have yet to discover which foreign language(s) they do actually teach on the Island!) turned into more activity than i've seen on the list in total, the rest of the time i've been on here! I have to admit i'm now slightly more wary of asking any more questions, even though nothing said affected me (good or bad) in any way whatsoever! And for the record, I read John's reply as basically light hearted jest but with a serious undertone. ---- As for Roland's pictures, despite (i'm guessing here, my apologies) being one of the younger members of the list, and one to who Black and white is basically a strange concept from before I was born, I think they are great! To me, St. Helena is something from long ago (my Grandmother was born there, left when she was in her late teens, and my parents visited in the 70's, so most of the stories and things I hear about are at least 30years ago) and my mental pictures of the Island - stupid as this sounds - are almost all black and white anyway! I certainly don't agree that Black and White is an outdated mode either. Sure, it's possible to do everything in colour, but simply because you don't see much B+W any more, i think it often paints a better picture. I'm only a point and click photographer, but frequently take B+W pics for variety, and discovered that even things as unlikely as Saharan sand dunes, Sami snow covered landscapes and sunsets can come out better (or at least as well, if not different) in B+W photos. And yes, i know that makes no sense. ----- BTW: You've given me an idea. Next time I return from off-island I'll complete my customs declaration in Thai or Japanese (the numbers too, of course). That should reduce the import duty! I'll spilt the profits with anyone who can offer to help me translate it. JT Sure thing. Would you prefer Thai, Lao, Katakana, Hiragana or Kanji or something more boring like Kazakh or Hyangchal? V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20070430/8646b49a/attachment.htm