From john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se Sat Nov 4 22:03:37 2006 From: john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se (John Ekwall) Date: Sat Nov 4 22:03:53 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] R St Helena Revival Broadcast.. Message-ID: <016d01c70054$b2cbebf0$06d6fb53@HemPC> is very well heard in most part of the world. I have continous update on http://www.sthelena.se/radioproject/update_nov04.htm Greetings from Sweden John Ekwall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061104/ba9e08b6/attachment.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Sun Nov 5 17:16:08 2006 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Sun Nov 5 16:56:38 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] R St Helena Revival Broadcast.. References: <016d01c70054$b2cbebf0$06d6fb53@HemPC> Message-ID: <000501c700f5$d94ae460$2698fea9@juliet> ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island of Napoleon (Eng) Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] R St Helena Revival Broadcast.. is very well heard in most part of the world. I have continous update on http://www.sthelena.se/radioproject/update_nov04.htm Greetings from Sweden John Ekwall ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061105/dd3244f4/attachment.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Sun Nov 5 17:48:43 2006 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Sun Nov 5 17:28:09 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] R St Helena Revival Broadcast.. References: <016d01c70054$b2cbebf0$06d6fb53@HemPC> Message-ID: <004301c700fa$42b91bc0$2698fea9@juliet> congratulations to all concerned in this achievement. I travelled out on the RMS.St Helena with Robert Kipp, and even shared a table with him , so I heard all about the project from him and that it was a voluntary job for him. How thrilled you all must be, to be heard loud and clear all round the world, as visualised. Having seen the site for the antenna, I can visualise all the hard work that went into getting this off the ground - or rather, into the air!! Is it possible to mail me an e-mail address for Robert as I would like to pass on my congratulations to him personally. I realise that he is travelling on the RMS. to Capetown, and then planned a holiday before returning to Germany, so can't contact him at the present. I would be very grateful if you could do this for me. Many thanks - Juliet M.Cottam 51 The Ridings, Waltham Chase, Southampton SO32 2TR. UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Ekwall To: All about St. Helena - The Island of Napoleon (Eng) Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: [STHELENA] R St Helena Revival Broadcast.. is very well heard in most part of the world. I have continous update on http://www.sthelena.se/radioproject/update_nov04.htm Greetings from Sweden John Ekwall ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061105/db839469/attachment.htm From jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk Thu Nov 16 18:11:10 2006 From: jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk (Jeff@tiscali) Date: Thu Nov 16 18:18:31 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] R St Helan Day - a project In-Reply-To: <006101c63d71$cc162540$c34dfea9@HemPC> References: <006101c63d71$cc162540$c34dfea9@HemPC> Message-ID: <455C9BAE.4050305@tiscali.co.uk> Hi List, I have been a bit quiet lately (pressure of work and all that). I was wondering, is there a florist on the Island? And if there is how can I get a bunch of flowers delivered to a very good friend in Jamestown? Regards Jeff in Poole UK From joocee at btopenworld.com Fri Nov 17 00:42:26 2006 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Fri Nov 17 00:21:45 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] R St Helan Day - a project References: <006101c63d71$cc162540$c34dfea9@HemPC> <455C9BAE.4050305@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <000801c709d8$e7113900$2698fea9@juliet> Thanks for contact - I don't recall seeing a florist at all - all flowers in the Comsulate Hotel were artifcial so perhaps that is the extent of the flower arranging art on the island !!! Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff@tiscali" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] R St Helan Day - a project > Hi List, > I have been a bit quiet lately (pressure of work and all that). > I was wondering, is there a florist on the Island? And if there is how > can I get a bunch of flowers delivered to a very good friend in Jamestown? > Regards > Jeff in Poole UK > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From g.tordini at tiscali.it Fri Nov 17 07:18:23 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Fri Nov 17 07:18:32 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: <000c01c70a10$2fd940b0$1ddcdd54@ESSEDI> 17-11-06 Hi to everybody. Is there a crane and a cradle to houl a sailing boat of 10 tons in Jamestown? I would like to leave there my boat a year long. Regards. Giuliano Giuliano Tordini Via G. Garibaldi 18 59100 Prato g.tordini@tiscali.it +39 0574 42 462 mobile +39 339 60 33 820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061117/442dfbfd/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Sat Nov 18 00:16:08 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Sat Nov 18 00:15:19 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) References: <000c01c70a10$2fd940b0$1ddcdd54@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <01a501c70a9e$5ef9fae0$2b96f204@fmk4n> Giuliano: There is a large Sennebogen mobile crane on the wharf used to unload containers and haul local boats out of the water. It should be capable of hauling your boat also. You would have to arrange with the harbormaster for a cradle to be made when you get there. You could also put down your own mooring off Jamestown, as many local people do. It would be best to check with the harbormaster first by e-mail. If you e-mail the tourist bureau at the following address, they should be able to tell you how to contact the harbormaster: sthelena.tourism@helanta.sh Alternatively, John Turner, the bank manager, who often offers his wisdom to this list, might have some knowledge of value to you. Cheers, John Vigor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061117/5d71665d/attachment.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Sat Nov 18 08:05:44 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Sat Nov 18 08:05:53 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) References: <000c01c70a10$2fd940b0$1ddcdd54@ESSEDI> <01a501c70a9e$5ef9fae0$2b96f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <005101c70adf$f797bd50$dbdcdd54@ESSEDI> Dear John Vigor, thank you very much for the information, it is just what I wanted to know. Are you living in St helena? Other question: how can the boats stay at the moorings when the sea is high? Regards. g ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) Giuliano: There is a large Sennebogen mobile crane on the wharf used to unload containers and haul local boats out of the water. It should be capable of hauling your boat also. You would have to arrange with the harbormaster for a cradle to be made when you get there. You could also put down your own mooring off Jamestown, as many local people do. It would be best to check with the harbormaster first by e-mail. If you e-mail the tourist bureau at the following address, they should be able to tell you how to contact the harbormaster: sthelena.tourism@helanta.sh Alternatively, John Turner, the bank manager, who often offers his wisdom to this list, might have some knowledge of value to you. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061118/6390dfc0/attachment.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Sat Nov 18 08:13:21 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Sat Nov 18 08:13:29 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) References: <000c01c70a10$2fd940b0$1ddcdd54@ESSEDI> <01a501c70a9e$5ef9fae0$2b96f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <006601c70ae1$07d3d130$dbdcdd54@ESSEDI> What does it mean Sennebogen? ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) Giuliano: There is a large Sennebogen mobile crane on the wharf used to unload containers and haul local boats out of the water. It should be capable of hauling your boat also. You would have to arrange with the harbormaster for a cradle to be made when you get there. You could also put down your own mooring off Jamestown, as many local people do. It would be best to check with the harbormaster first by e-mail. If you e-mail the tourist bureau at the following address, they should be able to tell you how to contact the harbormaster: sthelena.tourism@helanta.sh Alternatively, John Turner, the bank manager, who often offers his wisdom to this list, might have some knowledge of value to you. Cheers, John Vigor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061118/b617fa28/attachment.htm From Reino.Bauer at t-online.de Sat Nov 18 10:43:19 2006 From: Reino.Bauer at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Sat Nov 18 10:43:31 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <006601c70ae1$07d3d130$dbdcdd54@ESSEDI> References: <000c01c70a10$2fd940b0$1ddcdd54@ESSEDI> <01a501c70a9e$5ef9fae0$2b96f204@fmk4n> <006601c70ae1$07d3d130$dbdcdd54@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <455ED5B7.2060502@bigfoot.com> Sennebogen is the name of the company that build this mobile crane. See http://www.sennebogen.de/hp1/Homepage.htm giuliano tordini wrote: > What does it mean Sennebogen? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John and June Vigor > *To:* All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:16 AM > *Subject:* Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > > Giuliano: There is a large Sennebogen mobile crane on the wharf > used to unload containers and haul local boats out of the > water. It should be capable of hauling your boat also. You would > have to arrange with the harbormaster for a cradle to be made when > you get there. > > You could also put down your own mooring off Jamestown, as many > local people do. > > It would be best to check with the harbormaster first by e-mail. > If you e-mail the tourist bureau at the following address, they > should be able to tell you how to contact the harbormaster: > > sthelena.tourism@helanta.sh > > Alternatively, John Turner, the bank manager, who often offers his > wisdom to this list, might have some knowledge of value to you. > > Cheers, > > John Vigor > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061118/eca39c4b/attachment.htm From dave2182 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 18 18:22:53 2006 From: dave2182 at hotmail.com (Dave Simpson) Date: Sat Nov 18 18:23:06 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: >> Alternatively, John Turner, the bank manager, who often offers his wisdom to this list, >>might have some knowledge of value to you.>> Cheers,>> John Vigor Which reminds me, I would like to pass on my thanks publicly to John Turner for all his help, advice and encouragement towards me during the past year. If only all the ?powers? on St Helena were as helpful as him!!! Thank you John. I may still get there again but as a tourist. Best wishes Dave http://www.travelsthelena.co.uk/ _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From jvigor at earthlink.net Sat Nov 18 18:55:44 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Sat Nov 18 18:54:55 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Boats at moorings References: <000c01c70a10$2fd940b0$1ddcdd54@ESSEDI><01a501c70a9e$5ef9fae0$2b96f204@fmk4n> <005101c70adf$f797bd50$dbdcdd54@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <003401c70b3a$c71b1cc0$5396f204@fmk4n> Giuliano: There are about 50 boats and barges of various sizes permanently on moorings off Jamestown in water from 30 feet to 90 feet deep. The island is in the southeast tradewind belt, which creates a permanent lee on the northern side of the island, where Jamestown lies, so the sea is almost always offshore and calm. Very occasionally, big swells, called Rollers, will come in from the northwest for reasons no-one really understands. These swells break viciously in shallow water near the wharf, but the boats on moorings are in deeper water and are not affected by this surf. Sennebogen is the name of the firm that made the crane. They use nylon straps to lift boats out of the water and place them on the wharf. No, I don't live on the island. I am in Washington state, USA, about 90 miles north of Seattle. But I was on the island for three months earlier this year. Cheers, John Vigor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061120/da45e454/attachment.htm From ghadlow at iafrica.com Tue Nov 21 17:02:55 2006 From: ghadlow at iafrica.com (Gen Hadlow) Date: Tue Nov 21 17:28:10 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Boats at moorings In-Reply-To: <003401c70b3a$c71b1cc0$5396f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: On 18/11/2006 7:55 PM, "John and June Vigor" wrote: > Giuliano: > > There are about 50 boats and barges of various sizes permanently on moorings > off Jamestown in water from 30 feet to 90 feet deep. The island is in the > southeast tradewind belt, which creates a permanent lee on the northern side > of the island, where Jamestown lies, so the sea is almost always offshore and > calm. Very occasionally, big swells, called Rollers, will come in from the > northwest for reasons no-one really understands. These swells break viciously > in shallow water near the wharf, but the boats on moorings are in deeper water > and are not affected by this surf. > > Sennebogen is the name of the firm that made the crane. They use nylon straps > to lift boats out of the water and place them on the wharf. > > No, I don't live on the island. I am in Washington state, USA, about 90 miles > north of Seattle. But I was on the island for three months earlier this year. > > Cheers, > > John Vigor > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. Hi John, If I?m not mistaken, are you not THE John Vigor ex Mercury Idler? How come you got to spend 3 months on the island? (envy, envy, and more envy) Did you do some writing that you are prepared to share with an ex Durban fan? Ever stuck in Durban... Gen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061121/ba306a08/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Tue Nov 21 18:30:10 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Tue Nov 21 18:29:19 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: Message-ID: <003101c70d92$b3b4b7e0$2b09f204@fmk4n> Re: [STHELENA] Boats at mooringsHi Gen: Yes, I'm the former newspaper columnist all right, now writing and editing books about small sailboats in America. I am amazed that you recognized me. This was my third visit to St. Helena. I was there for a few hours in 1960 when I worked my passage to London on a Union-Castle liner, the Warwick Castle. That visit was just long enough for the crew to go ashore, get blind drunk, and be poured back on board again. But I loved the island so much that I vowed then that I would return one day for six months. My second visit was in my own 31-foot yacht, Freelance, in 1987, when my family and I emigrated from Durban to America, my wife's home country. We could only stay a week on the island, but once again we vowed that one day, when we got rich and famous, we would go back to St. Helena for six months. Well, to make a long story short, we didn't get rich and famous; so, in 2006, we compromised: we boarded the RMS St. Helena in England and spent three months on the island. We wanted to experience the peace, security, and simplicity of the island as we had known it, before it gets ruined by an airport and a fancy five-star golf course and luxury resort development. I can't tell you how much we enjoyed and appreciated our holiday there. One day, if I ever get rich and famous (and before the airport comes) I'm going back for ... oh, at least six months, maybe a year. Cheers, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Gen Hadlow To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Boats at moorings On 18/11/2006 7:55 PM, "John and June Vigor" wrote: Giuliano: There are about 50 boats and barges of various sizes permanently on moorings off Jamestown in water from 30 feet to 90 feet deep. The island is in the southeast tradewind belt, which creates a permanent lee on the northern side of the island, where Jamestown lies, so the sea is almost always offshore and calm. Very occasionally, big swells, called Rollers, will come in from the northwest for reasons no-one really understands. These swells break viciously in shallow water near the wharf, but the boats on moorings are in deeper water and are not affected by this surf. Sennebogen is the name of the firm that made the crane. They use nylon straps to lift boats out of the water and place them on the wharf. No, I don't live on the island. I am in Washington state, USA, about 90 miles north of Seattle. But I was on the island for three months earlier this year. Cheers, John Vigor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. Hi John, If I'm not mistaken, are you not THE John Vigor ex Mercury Idler? How come you got to spend 3 months on the island? (envy, envy, and more envy) Did you do some writing that you are prepared to share with an ex Durban fan? Ever stuck in Durban... Gen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061121/0535d8b9/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Tue Nov 21 20:01:34 2006 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (RobG) Date: Tue Nov 21 20:01:51 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <003101c70d92$b3b4b7e0$2b09f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <002701c70d9f$7862f1e0$0a00000a@NODE> Re: [STHELENA] Boats at mooringsHa... my sneaky suspicion over John's identity has been put to rest at last! It was sheer laziness on my part that "Gen" beat me to the question I had asked myself every time I read one of his postings on this listing! Hello John, perhaps you didn't get rich, but you certainly DID become famous - especially if I can still remember you! Heck, you were The Idler for 11 years if I recall!!! Haha! This is Rob Greaves... I was a "rookie photographer" for The Natal Mercury in the year you left - that was just before Gary Eichorn slipped into your shoes under the rigid hand of our Editor and God, Jimmy McMillan. I remained on with "Aunty Argus" and was finally retrenched from Independent Newspapers 12 years later. Those were definitely the best days of my life! Unlike you, I have never visited St.Helena, but the fascination I have for the island and it's people has me being a silent observer of this mailing list for almost three years now... it's probably the closest contact I will have for some time before I finally get to visit it! Anyway, it's been good to bump into you here - reading your informative babble is always a pleasure! Cheers for now, Rob Greaves ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Hi Gen: Yes, I'm the former newspaper columnist all right, now writing and editing books about small sailboats in America. I am amazed that you recognized me. This was my third visit to St. Helena. I was there for a few hours in 1960 when I worked my passage to London on a Union-Castle liner, the Warwick Castle. That visit was just long enough for the crew to go ashore, get blind drunk, and be poured back on board again. But I loved the island so much that I vowed then that I would return one day for six months. My second visit was in my own 31-foot yacht, Freelance, in 1987, when my family and I emigrated from Durban to America, my wife's home country. We could only stay a week on the island, but once again we vowed that one day, when we got rich and famous, we would go back to St. Helena for six months. Well, to make a long story short, we didn't get rich and famous; so, in 2006, we compromised: we boarded the RMS St. Helena in England and spent three months on the island. We wanted to experience the peace, security, and simplicity of the island as we had known it, before it gets ruined by an airport and a fancy five-star golf course and luxury resort development. I can't tell you how much we enjoyed and appreciated our holiday there. One day, if I ever get rich and famous (and before the airport comes) I'm going back for ... oh, at least six months, maybe a year. Cheers, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Gen Hadlow To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Boats at moorings On 18/11/2006 7:55 PM, "John and June Vigor" wrote: Giuliano: There are about 50 boats and barges of various sizes permanently on moorings off Jamestown in water from 30 feet to 90 feet deep. The island is in the southeast tradewind belt, which creates a permanent lee on the northern side of the island, where Jamestown lies, so the sea is almost always offshore and calm. Very occasionally, big swells, called Rollers, will come in from the northwest for reasons no-one really understands. These swells break viciously in shallow water near the wharf, but the boats on moorings are in deeper water and are not affected by this surf. Sennebogen is the name of the firm that made the crane. They use nylon straps to lift boats out of the water and place them on the wharf. No, I don't live on the island. I am in Washington state, USA, about 90 miles north of Seattle. But I was on the island for three months earlier this year. Cheers, John Vigor -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. Hi John, If I'm not mistaken, are you not THE John Vigor ex Mercury Idler? How come you got to spend 3 months on the island? (envy, envy, and more envy) Did you do some writing that you are prepared to share with an ex Durban fan? Ever stuck in Durban... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061121/fc091bdd/attachment-0001.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Tue Nov 21 21:49:42 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Tue Nov 21 21:49:15 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <003101c70d92$b3b4b7e0$2b09f204@fmk4n> <002701c70d9f$7862f1e0$0a00000a@NODE> Message-ID: <002701c70dae$968de260$a700f304@fmk4n> Re: [STHELENA] Boats at moorings Good to hear from you, Rob. I'm always astonished at the number of people scattered around the world who have an affection for the little island of St. Helena. Astonished, because it has none of the traditional tourist facilities. There are no white sandy beaches with palm trees waving in the background, no ads for Watney's Red Barrel, no Broadway shows, none of the glitz and glamour of the European playgrounds, none of Africa's magnificent game parks. When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical night on isolated St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a million bright pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on an asteroid sweeping through space. But none of the pleasures I get from being on St. Helena seem to explain the extraordinary fascination it has for arm-chair travellers. The irony is that so many people are interested, but so few ever actually get there. According to the governor, they play host to about 800 tourists a year--a little over two a day. The frozen wastes of Antarctica attract many more than that. Perhaps the fascination is with Napoleon. Or his little 14-year-old playmate on St. Helena, Betsy Balcombe. Right now the movie star Al Pacino is making a film about those two and their alleged affair. It's to be called The Monster of Longwood. I'm afraid it will be nonsense, of course, but that never stopped Hollywood. Cheers, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: RobG To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Ha... my sneaky suspicion over John's identity has been put to rest at last! It was sheer laziness on my part that "Gen" beat me to the question I had asked myself every time I read one of his postings on this listing! Hello John, perhaps you didn't get rich, but you certainly DID become famous - especially if I can still remember you! Heck, you were The Idler for 11 years if I recall!!! Haha! This is Rob Greaves... I was a "rookie photographer" for The Natal Mercury in the year you left - that was just before Gary Eichorn slipped into your shoes under the rigid hand of our Editor and God, Jimmy McMillan. I remained on with "Aunty Argus" and was finally retrenched from Independent Newspapers 12 years later. Those were definitely the best days of my life! Unlike you, I have never visited St.Helena, but the fascination I have for the island and it's people has me being a silent observer of this mailing list for almost three years now... it's probably the closest contact I will have for some time before I finally get to visit it! Anyway, it's been good to bump into you here - reading your informative babble is always a pleasure! Cheers for now, Rob Greaves -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061121/3a10be26/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Tue Nov 21 22:20:37 2006 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Tue Nov 21 22:20:51 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <002701c70dae$968de260$a700f304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213B10CA@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Dear John, After 20 years of living in the United States I still get asked "Where are you from?", on at least a weekly basis (Sometimes it seems daily), this prompted by a hard to place accent and hard to place "look". I have never gotten tired of answering that question even though it is usually followed by several other questions: "Where is that?", "Where?" "South Atlantic?..... I didn't think anything was down there...." Everybody wants to go. I left the island as a young girl and I have now spent more than half my life in America but I think about St. Helena every day. The beautiful line that you wrote below made me feel very homesick: When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical night on isolated St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a million bright pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on an asteroid sweeping through space. It also gave me a good sense of your affection for the island. I hope you get to go back again. Best wishes, Tessa in Portland, OR ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:50 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Good to hear from you, Rob. I'm always astonished at the number of people scattered around the world who have an affection for the little island of St. Helena. Astonished, because it has none of the traditional tourist facilities. There are no white sandy beaches with palm trees waving in the background, no ads for Watney's Red Barrel, no Broadway shows, none of the glitz and glamour of the European playgrounds, none of Africa's magnificent game parks. When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical night on isolated St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a million bright pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on an asteroid sweeping through space. But none of the pleasures I get from being on St. Helena seem to explain the extraordinary fascination it has for arm-chair travellers. The irony is that so many people are interested, but so few ever actually get there. According to the governor, they play host to about 800 tourists a year--a little over two a day. The frozen wastes of Antarctica attract many more than that. Perhaps the fascination is with Napoleon. Or his little 14-year-old playmate on St. Helena, Betsy Balcombe. Right now the movie star Al Pacino is making a film about those two and their alleged affair. It's to be called The Monster of Longwood. I'm afraid it will be nonsense, of course, but that never stopped Hollywood. Cheers, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: RobG To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Ha... my sneaky suspicion over John's identity has been put to rest at last! It was sheer laziness on my part that "Gen" beat me to the question I had asked myself every time I read one of his postings on this listing! Hello John, perhaps you didn't get rich, but you certainly DID become famous - especially if I can still remember you! Heck, you were The Idler for 11 years if I recall!!! Haha! This is Rob Greaves... I was a "rookie photographer" for The Natal Mercury in the year you left - that was just before Gary Eichorn slipped into your shoes under the rigid hand of our Editor and God, Jimmy McMillan. I remained on with "Aunty Argus" and was finally retrenched from Independent Newspapers 12 years later. Those were definitely the best days of my life! Unlike you, I have never visited St.Helena, but the fascination I have for the island and it's people has me being a silent observer of this mailing list for almost three years now... it's probably the closest contact I will have for some time before I finally get to visit it! Anyway, it's been good to bump into you here - reading your informative babble is always a pleasure! Cheers for now, Rob Greaves -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061121/802c61ef/attachment-0001.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Tue Nov 21 22:27:35 2006 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Tue Nov 21 22:27:55 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213B10CA@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <20061121212735.87042.qmail@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Tessa. When travel brochures are made for St. Helena that line should be front and center. I've never been but I am longing to visit my mother's childhood home even more so after reading that. Nissa --- "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: > Dear John, > > > > After 20 years of living in the United States I > still get asked "Where > are you from?", on at least a weekly basis > (Sometimes it seems daily), > this prompted by a hard to place accent and hard to > place "look". I > have never gotten tired of answering that question > even though it is > usually followed by several other questions: "Where > is that?", "Where?" > "South Atlantic?..... I didn't think anything was > down there...." > Everybody wants to go. > > > > I left the island as a young girl and I have now > spent more than half my > life in America but I think about St. Helena every > day. The beautiful > line that you wrote below made me feel very > homesick: > > > > When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical > night on isolated > St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a > million bright > pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on > an asteroid > sweeping through space. > > > > It also gave me a good sense of your affection for > the island. I hope > you get to go back again. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Tessa in Portland, OR > > ________________________________ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf Of John and June Vigor > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:50 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena > > > > > > Good to hear from you, Rob. I'm always astonished at > the number of > people scattered around the world who have an > affection for the little > island of St. Helena. Astonished, because it has > none of the > traditional tourist facilities. There are no white > sandy beaches with > palm trees waving in the background, no ads for > Watney's Red Barrel, no > Broadway shows, none of the glitz and glamour of the > European > playgrounds, > > none of Africa's magnificent game parks. > > > > When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical > night on isolated > St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a > million bright > pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on > an asteroid > sweeping through space. > > > > But none of the pleasures I get from being on St. > Helena seem to explain > the extraordinary fascination it has for arm-chair > travellers. The > irony is that so many people are interested, but so > few ever actually > get there. According to the governor, they play > host to about 800 > tourists a year--a little over two a day. The frozen > wastes of > Antarctica attract many more than that. > > > > Perhaps the fascination is with Napoleon. Or his > little 14-year-old > playmate on St. Helena, Betsy Balcombe. Right now > the movie star Al > Pacino is making a film about those two and their > alleged affair. It's > to be called The Monster of Longwood. I'm afraid it > will be nonsense, of > course, but that never stopped Hollywood. > > > > Cheers, > > > > John Vigor > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: RobG > > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena > > > > Ha... my sneaky suspicion over John's identity has > been put to > rest at last! It was sheer laziness on my part that > "Gen" beat me to the > question I had asked myself every time I read one of > his postings on > this listing! > > > > Hello John, perhaps you didn't get rich, but you > certainly DID > become famous - especially if I can still remember > you! Heck, you were > The Idler for 11 years if I recall!!! Haha! > > This is Rob Greaves... I was a "rookie > photographer" for The > Natal Mercury in the year you left - that was just > before Gary Eichorn > slipped into your shoes under the rigid hand of our > Editor and God, > Jimmy McMillan. I remained on with "Aunty Argus" and > was finally > retrenched from Independent Newspapers 12 years > later. Those were > definitely the best days of my life! > > > > Unlike you, I have never visited St.Helena, but the > fascination > I have for the island and it's people has me being a > silent observer of > this mailing list for almost three years now... it's > probably the > closest contact I will have for some time before I > finally get to visit > it! > > > > Anyway, it's been good to bump into you here - > reading your > informative babble is always a pleasure! > > > > Cheers for now, Rob Greaves > > -- > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre From takkies at mighty.co.za Tue Nov 21 23:11:26 2006 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (RobG) Date: Tue Nov 21 23:11:39 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <20061121212735.87042.qmail@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c70db9$feb71270$0a00000a@NODE> ABSO-blimmen-lutely, Nissa is right... I haven't been to the Island yet that winning line gave me goosebumps! If I may, John, I'd very much like to hang onto it and use it for a documentary I plan to do on the Island in a couple of years'! Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nissa Nystrom" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena >I agree with Tessa. When travel brochures are made > for St. Helena that line should be front and center. > I've never been but I am longing to visit my mother's > childhood home even more so after reading that. > > Nissa > > --- "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: > >> Dear John, >> >> >> >> After 20 years of living in the United States I >> still get asked "Where >> are you from?", on at least a weekly basis >> (Sometimes it seems daily), >> this prompted by a hard to place accent and hard to >> place "look". I >> have never gotten tired of answering that question >> even though it is >> usually followed by several other questions: "Where >> is that?", "Where?" >> "South Atlantic?..... I didn't think anything was >> down there...." >> Everybody wants to go. >> >> >> >> I left the island as a young girl and I have now >> spent more than half my >> life in America but I think about St. Helena every >> day. The beautiful >> line that you wrote below made me feel very >> homesick: >> >> >> >> When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical >> night on isolated >> St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a >> million bright >> pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on >> an asteroid >> sweeping through space. >> >> >> >> It also gave me a good sense of your affection for >> the island. I hope >> you get to go back again. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> Tessa in Portland, OR >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se >> [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >> Behalf Of John and June Vigor >> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:50 PM >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >> Atlantic(Eng) >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena >> >> >> >> >> >> Good to hear from you, Rob. I'm always astonished at >> the number of >> people scattered around the world who have an >> affection for the little >> island of St. Helena. Astonished, because it has >> none of the >> traditional tourist facilities. There are no white >> sandy beaches with >> palm trees waving in the background, no ads for >> Watney's Red Barrel, no >> Broadway shows, none of the glitz and glamour of the >> European >> playgrounds, >> >> none of Africa's magnificent game parks. >> >> >> >> When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical >> night on isolated >> St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a >> million bright >> pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on >> an asteroid >> sweeping through space. >> >> >> >> But none of the pleasures I get from being on St. >> Helena seem to explain >> the extraordinary fascination it has for arm-chair >> travellers. The >> irony is that so many people are interested, but so >> few ever actually >> get there. According to the governor, they play >> host to about 800 >> tourists a year--a little over two a day. The frozen >> wastes of >> Antarctica attract many more than that. >> >> >> >> Perhaps the fascination is with Napoleon. Or his >> little 14-year-old >> playmate on St. Helena, Betsy Balcombe. Right now >> the movie star Al >> Pacino is making a film about those two and their >> alleged affair. It's >> to be called The Monster of Longwood. I'm afraid it >> will be nonsense, of >> course, but that never stopped Hollywood. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> John Vigor >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: RobG >> >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >> Atlantic(Eng) >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:01 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena >> >> >> >> Ha... my sneaky suspicion over John's identity has >> been put to >> rest at last! It was sheer laziness on my part that >> "Gen" beat me to the >> question I had asked myself every time I read one of >> his postings on >> this listing! >> >> >> >> Hello John, perhaps you didn't get rich, but you >> certainly DID >> become famous - especially if I can still remember >> you! Heck, you were >> The Idler for 11 years if I recall!!! Haha! >> >> This is Rob Greaves... I was a "rookie >> photographer" for The >> Natal Mercury in the year you left - that was just >> before Gary Eichorn >> slipped into your shoes under the rigid hand of our >> Editor and God, >> Jimmy McMillan. I remained on with "Aunty Argus" and >> was finally >> retrenched from Independent Newspapers 12 years >> later. Those were >> definitely the best days of my life! >> >> >> >> Unlike you, I have never visited St.Helena, but the >> fascination >> I have for the island and it's people has me being a >> silent observer of >> this mailing list for almost three years now... it's >> probably the >> closest contact I will have for some time before I >> finally get to visit >> it! >> >> >> >> Anyway, it's been good to bump into you here - >> reading your >> informative babble is always a pleasure! >> >> >> >> Cheers for now, Rob Greaves >> >> -- >> >> > The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. > Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - Release Date: > 11/20/2006 > > From joocee at btopenworld.com Tue Nov 21 23:44:09 2006 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Tue Nov 21 23:23:05 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <003101c70d92$b3b4b7e0$2b09f204@fmk4n><002701c70d9f$7862f1e0$0a00000a@NODE> <002701c70dae$968de260$a700f304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <004801c70dbe$90d56540$2698fea9@juliet> Re: [STHELENA] Boats at mooringsI recently returned from Voyage 91 on the good old St. Helena -and how I agree with all the e-mailers - I have come home full of joy - having visited such a superb and amazing place - I loved every minute of the stay - progressing from those forbidding looking basalt cliffs at Jamestown, through the various examples of vegetation, to the wonderful peace of Sane valley with Napoleon's tomb. I was very honoured to have a private endemic plants tour with George Benjamin and felt humbled by his wide knowledge and love of the flora of the island. I am finding it very difficult to describe to the folks at home, the atmosphere, the welcoming people and the sheer wonderment that I have experienced. I would like so much to make another and longer visit but that is doubtful (lack of funds and time, advancing age) but I have so many photos to remind me of that little Eden in the South Atlantic. Juliet M. Cottam. ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Good to hear from you, Rob. I'm always astonished at the number of people scattered around the world who have an affection for the little island of St. Helena. Astonished, because it has none of the traditional tourist facilities. There are no white sandy beaches with palm trees waving in the background, no ads for Watney's Red Barrel, no Broadway shows, none of the glitz and glamour of the European playgrounds, none of Africa's magnificent game parks. When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical night on isolated St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a million bright pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on an asteroid sweeping through space. But none of the pleasures I get from being on St. Helena seem to explain the extraordinary fascination it has for arm-chair travellers. The irony is that so many people are interested, but so few ever actually get there. According to the governor, they play host to about 800 tourists a year--a little over two a day. The frozen wastes of Antarctica attract many more than that. Perhaps the fascination is with Napoleon. Or his little 14-year-old playmate on St. Helena, Betsy Balcombe. Right now the movie star Al Pacino is making a film about those two and their alleged affair. It's to be called The Monster of Longwood. I'm afraid it will be nonsense, of course, but that never stopped Hollywood. Cheers, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: RobG To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Ha... my sneaky suspicion over John's identity has been put to rest at last! It was sheer laziness on my part that "Gen" beat me to the question I had asked myself every time I read one of his postings on this listing! Hello John, perhaps you didn't get rich, but you certainly DID become famous - especially if I can still remember you! Heck, you were The Idler for 11 years if I recall!!! Haha! This is Rob Greaves... I was a "rookie photographer" for The Natal Mercury in the year you left - that was just before Gary Eichorn slipped into your shoes under the rigid hand of our Editor and God, Jimmy McMillan. I remained on with "Aunty Argus" and was finally retrenched from Independent Newspapers 12 years later. Those were definitely the best days of my life! Unlike you, I have never visited St.Helena, but the fascination I have for the island and it's people has me being a silent observer of this mailing list for almost three years now... it's probably the closest contact I will have for some time before I finally get to visit it! Anyway, it's been good to bump into you here - reading your informative babble is always a pleasure! Cheers for now, Rob Greaves -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061121/7ed4c40a/attachment.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Wed Nov 22 00:01:09 2006 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Tue Nov 21 23:40:04 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <003101c70d92$b3b4b7e0$2b09f204@fmk4n><002701c70d9f$7862f1e0$0a00000a@NODE> <002701c70dae$968de260$a700f304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <008b01c70dc0$f0e0e160$2698fea9@juliet> Re: [STHELENA] Boats at moorings------- and add to my previous eulogy in praise of St. Helena - no mobile phones ! They all started ringing while waiting to colect baggage at Brize Norton - I knew we were home again ! and I agree that I would not want see the threatened five star hotel and 18 hole golf course - ugh! Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Good to hear from you, Rob. I'm always astonished at the number of people scattered around the world who have an affection for the little island of St. Helena. Astonished, because it has none of the traditional tourist facilities. There are no white sandy beaches with palm trees waving in the background, no ads for Watney's Red Barrel, no Broadway shows, none of the glitz and glamour of the European playgrounds, none of Africa's magnificent game parks. When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical night on isolated St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a million bright pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on an asteroid sweeping through space. But none of the pleasures I get from being on St. Helena seem to explain the extraordinary fascination it has for arm-chair travellers. The irony is that so many people are interested, but so few ever actually get there. According to the governor, they play host to about 800 tourists a year--a little over two a day. The frozen wastes of Antarctica attract many more than that. Perhaps the fascination is with Napoleon. Or his little 14-year-old playmate on St. Helena, Betsy Balcombe. Right now the movie star Al Pacino is making a film about those two and their alleged affair. It's to be called The Monster of Longwood. I'm afraid it will be nonsense, of course, but that never stopped Hollywood. Cheers, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: RobG To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Ha... my sneaky suspicion over John's identity has been put to rest at last! It was sheer laziness on my part that "Gen" beat me to the question I had asked myself every time I read one of his postings on this listing! Hello John, perhaps you didn't get rich, but you certainly DID become famous - especially if I can still remember you! Heck, you were The Idler for 11 years if I recall!!! Haha! This is Rob Greaves... I was a "rookie photographer" for The Natal Mercury in the year you left - that was just before Gary Eichorn slipped into your shoes under the rigid hand of our Editor and God, Jimmy McMillan. I remained on with "Aunty Argus" and was finally retrenched from Independent Newspapers 12 years later. Those were definitely the best days of my life! Unlike you, I have never visited St.Helena, but the fascination I have for the island and it's people has me being a silent observer of this mailing list for almost three years now... it's probably the closest contact I will have for some time before I finally get to visit it! Anyway, it's been good to bump into you here - reading your informative babble is always a pleasure! Cheers for now, Rob Greaves -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061121/469e6d44/attachment-0001.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Wed Nov 22 00:34:55 2006 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 22 00:35:15 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" Message-ID: Leave it to Hollywood to corrupt history and make something abominable out what was Napoleon's only pleasant experience during the whole time he spent on St. Helena. How a person views Napoleon Bonaparte depends upon what written history you believe. The British hated him. The French loved him. Regardless, he is one of the giants of history and just doesn't seem right that a complete falsification of history be promoted. I am sure that there will be many people who will base their whole conception about Napoleon on what the see on the screen, while watching "The Monster of Longwood." Napoleon was only at the Briars, with Betsy Balcombe and her family, for a very short time, from November 18, 1815, until December 10, 1815; only 53 days, if you count the day he left for Longwood House. Betsy, according to my records, was only thirteen years of age at that time; and the reason that a friendship grew so fast between her and Napoleon was that she was the only person in the household that spoke French at all well, and Napoleon could not speak English. Napoleon tried to learn English, but it would seem to be one thing that was beyond his genius. After Napoleon was forced to move to Longwood, on December 10, 1815, Betsy came to visit Napoleon at Longwood several times but I don't believe she ever went there by herself, nor was ever really alone with Napoleon. I absolutely don't believe that there was ever anything of a Inappropriate or sexual nature between them. There are many lessons that can be learned from a true study of Napoleon. Napoleon was able to lead millions of soldiers into battle, and he did it for close to 20 years. Napoleon also established the "Code Napoleon" which is still the basis for the French Constitution, today. I feel that it is important to understand, correctly, what made him great; to understand how he accomplished it, and why so many people were willing to follow him into battle time after time. If you don't learn history accurately, you may just have to learn the same lesson again and again. For me, the study of his time spent on St. Helena has always been the most interesting. Except for his time on St. Helena, history moves so fast that it is difficult to see the real and human Napoleon. At St. Helena things slowed down and you are able to see the man, even though so much of his life there was wrapped up in his constant war with Sir Hudson Lowe. You do get to see the man. About twenty years ago, there was a PBS program that had an actor who went to St. Helena, and acted out all of the parts of the different players involved. He did it quite well, and he covered Napoleon's time there from when he first came there on a ship, until his death at Longwood. I would love to have a copy of that program today. However, what I remember the most about the program was the strange and incredible beauty of St. Helena. There just isn't any other place like it in the whole world, in my opinion. I doubt if I will ever be able to go there, but I would love to. Chuk Palm Desert, CA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061121/9e5bcd37/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Wed Nov 22 01:02:52 2006 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Wed Nov 22 01:11:46 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <003101c70d92$b3b4b7e0$2b09f204@fmk4n><002701c70d9f$7862f1e0$0a00000a@NODE> <002701c70dae$968de260$a700f304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <03e201c70dc9$91b16c60$0300a8c0@PRAXIS> John - you got it in one of the most beautiful sentences I have heard in a long time: thank you. It's been nearly forty years since I set foot on the island, but you've encapsulated, as have the other respondent posters, the magic of St. Helena. I recall a similar experience - one balmy night, returning from unloading the Good Hope Castle, gently puttering back to shore in the Wideawake, on a sea so calm there wasn't a ripple, and the moon coming up over Munden's Point, the soft voices of the Saints who'd been working the ship with me in the background - unforgettable. One day, I'll go back - if they have to sling me over the side on a derrick and winch me up onto the wharf in my wheelchair! I fear the airport may change everything about the island, but there are so many good reasons why there should be better travel opportunities, I have to think it should go ahead. Maybe I'll be one of the first to use it! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and June Vigor" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical night on isolated St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a million bright pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on an asteroid sweeping through space. Cheers, John Vigor From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Nov 22 07:28:18 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Nov 22 07:28:31 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" References: Message-ID: <00c001c70dff$6689d8c0$1967dc54@ESSEDI> Hi Chuk. There is another island beautiful like St Helena, it is the Elba island; you should visit it during the dead season. The strange thing is that in this island too Napoleon lived, as imprisoned king. giuliano ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" Leave it to Hollywood to corrupt history and make something abominable out what was Napoleon's only pleasant experience during the whole time he spent on St. Helena. How a person views Napoleon Bonaparte depends upon what written history you believe. The British hated him. The French loved him. Regardless, he is one of the giants of history and just doesn't seem right that a complete falsification of history be promoted. I am sure that there will be many people who will base their whole conception about Napoleon on what the see on the screen, while watching "The Monster of Longwood." Napoleon was only at the Briars, with Betsy Balcombe and her family, for a very short time, from November 18, 1815, until December 10, 1815; only 53 days, if you count the day he left for Longwood House. Betsy, according to my records, was only thirteen years of age at that time; and the reason that a friendship grew so fast between her and Napoleon was that she was the only person in the household that spoke French at all well, and Napoleon could not speak English. Napoleon tried to learn English, but it would seem to be one thing that was beyond his genius. After Napoleon was forced to move to Longwood, on December 10, 1815, Betsy came to visit Napoleon at Longwood several times but I don't believe she ever went there by herself, nor was ever really alone with Napoleon. I absolutely don't believe that there was ever anything of a Inappropriate or sexual nature between them. There are many lessons that can be learned from a true study of Napoleon. Napoleon was able to lead millions of soldiers into battle, and he did it for close to 20 years. Napoleon also established the "Code Napoleon" which is still the basis for the French Constitution, today. I feel that it is important to understand, correctly, what made him great; to understand how he accomplished it, and why so many people were willing to follow him into battle time after time. If you don't learn history accurately, you may just have to learn the same lesson again and again. For me, the study of his time spent on St. Helena has always been the most interesting. Except for his time on St. Helena, history moves so fast that it is difficult to see the real and human Napoleon. At St. Helena things slowed down and you are able to see the man, even though so much of his life there was wrapped up in his constant war with Sir Hudson Lowe. You do get to see the man. About twenty years ago, there was a PBS program that had an actor who went to St. Helena, and acted out all of the parts of the different players involved. He did it quite well, and he covered Napoleon's time there from when he first came there on a ship, until his death at Longwood. I would love to have a copy of that program today. However, what I remember the most about the program was the strange and incredible beauty of St. Helena. There just isn't any other place like it in the whole world, in my opinion. I doubt if I will ever be able to go there, but I would love to. Chuk Palm Desert, CA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061122/a7d06632/attachment.htm From dave2182 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 22 08:20:09 2006 From: dave2182 at hotmail.com (Dave Simpson) Date: Wed Nov 22 08:20:22 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Message-ID: I couldn?t agree more with all these posts. I had the pleasure of visiting the St Helena in 1986 whilst serving in the Royal Navy. We spent a week on the island and it is the most memorable ?run ashore? of my 9 years service. We were welcomed into the homes of the Saints as if we were long lost friends, a totally unique experience for me. If you haven?t visited St Helena yet please do yourself a favour and go soon. John, your quote is superb, ?When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical night on isolated St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a million bright pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on an asteroid sweeping through space.? Do you mind if I copy it on to my small St Helena site? Which will be up dated with some more pictures and info as time and money permits. But that is as far as its going. http://www.travelsthelena.co.uk/ Best wishes Dave _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Nov 22 08:41:17 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Nov 22 08:41:30 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: <034c01c70e09$986bbac0$1967dc54@ESSEDI> Hi Chuk. There is another island beautiful like St Helena, it is the Elba island; you should visit it during the dead season. The strange thing is that in this island too Napoleon lived, as imprisoned king. giuliano Giuliano Tordini Via G. Garibaldi 18 59100 Prato g.tordini@tiscali.it +39 0574 42 462 mobile +39 339 60 33 820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061122/56837168/attachment-0001.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Wed Nov 22 09:29:22 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Wed Nov 22 09:29:33 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: <035e01c70e10$4fdb34a0$1967dc54@ESSEDI> 22-11-06 Caro Dean Buletti, forse per questa conversazione sarebbe opportuno che parlassimo tra noi, perch? non credo che nella mailing list ci siano molti che comprendono la nostra lingua. giuliano Giuliano Tordini Via G. Garibaldi 18 59100 Prato g.tordini@tiscali.it +39 0574 42 462 mobile +39 339 60 33 820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061122/aba643af/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Wed Nov 22 09:38:57 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Wed Nov 22 09:39:49 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <03e201c70dc9$91b16c60$0300a8c0@PRAXIS> Message-ID: <006401c70e11$aa3d1070$2d0b000a@shgbank45> John (and others), If you can give me an attribution I'll be pleased to use your (now-famous) line as the intro to the bank's website page for visitors. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Coyle Sent: 22 November 2006 00:03 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena John - you got it in one of the most beautiful sentences I have heard in a long time: thank you. It's been nearly forty years since I set foot on the island, but you've encapsulated, as have the other respondent posters, the magic of St. Helena. I recall a similar experience - one balmy night, returning from unloading the Good Hope Castle, gently puttering back to shore in the Wideawake, on a sea so calm there wasn't a ripple, and the moon coming up over Munden's Point, the soft voices of the Saints who'd been working the ship with me in the background - unforgettable. One day, I'll go back - if they have to sling me over the side on a derrick and winch me up onto the wharf in my wheelchair! I fear the airport may change everything about the island, but there are so many good reasons why there should be better travel opportunities, I have to think it should go ahead. Maybe I'll be one of the first to use it! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and June Vigor" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena When you experience the soft blackness of a tropical night on isolated St. Helena, with the Southern Cross surrounded by a million bright pinpricks of light, it's easy to imagine yourself on an asteroid sweeping through space. Cheers, John Vigor The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 1875 (20061121) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Reino.Bauer at t-online.de Wed Nov 22 11:53:04 2006 From: Reino.Bauer at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Wed Nov 22 13:33:42 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <035e01c70e10$4fdb34a0$1967dc54@ESSEDI> References: <035e01c70e10$4fdb34a0$1967dc54@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <45642C10.4050309@bigfoot.com> Non preoccupate-Vi :-) Reino. giuliano tordini wrote: > 22-11-06 > > Caro Dean Buletti, forse per questa conversazione sarebbe opportuno > che parlassimo tra noi, perch? non credo che nella mailing list ci > siano molti che comprendono la nostra lingua. > > giuliano > > > > Giuliano Tordini > Via G. Garibaldi 18 > 59100 Prato > > g.tordini@tiscali.it > +39 0574 42 462 > mobile +39 339 60 33 820 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061122/559fe9d2/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Wed Nov 22 17:50:28 2006 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 22 17:50:56 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: Yes, Napy was on Elba during his "first" exile. For some reason the exile didn't stick and he came back for his "Hundred Days." Actually, he had a very nice situation there on Elba and even had some of his family with him if I recall correctly. Had ladies around for him to flirt with; people who thought his you know what didn't stink. He certainly had things a whole lot better than he ever did at St. Helena. Re: "How far is St. Helena from the field of Waterloo? A near way--a clear way--the ship will take you soon. A pleasant place for gentlemen with little else to do." R. Kipling. Chuk'r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061122/e353a150/attachment.htm From cagaden at northnet.com.au Wed Nov 22 20:44:51 2006 From: cagaden at northnet.com.au (Caroline Gaden) Date: Wed Nov 22 20:51:11 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" References: Message-ID: <007101c70e6f$8192f8c0$6561543a@Caroline> Chuk I agree with your comment re Betsy B yet there is a new book written in French by a professor [from memory part of a series of Napoleonic books] and in the title calls her La Petite Fianc?e de Napoleon. I asked a local French reader to go through the book looking for the evidence... according to him there was none! I hope the Hollywood movie is shot on the Island so at least the scenery is authentic! Cheers Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" Leave it to Hollywood to corrupt history and make something abominable out what was Napoleon's only pleasant experience during the whole time he spent on St. Helena. How a person views Napoleon Bonaparte depends upon what written history you believe. The British hated him. The French loved him. Regardless, he is one of the giants of history and just doesn't seem right that a complete falsification of history be promoted. I am sure that there will be many people who will base their whole conception about Napoleon on what the see on the screen, while watching "The Monster of Longwood." Napoleon was only at the Briars, with Betsy Balcombe and her family, for a very short time, from November 18, 1815, until December 10, 1815; only 53 days, if you count the day he left for Longwood House. Betsy, according to my records, was only thirteen years of age at that time; and the reason that a friendship grew so fast between her and Napoleon was that she was the only person in the household that spoke French at all well, and Napoleon could not speak English. Napoleon tried to learn English, but it would seem to be one thing that was beyond his genius. After Napoleon was forced to move to Longwood, on December 10, 1815, Betsy came to visit Napoleon at Longwood several times but I don't believe she ever went there by herself, nor was ever really alone with Napoleon. I absolutely don't believe that there was ever anything of a Inappropriate or sexual nature between them. There are many lessons that can be learned from a true study of Napoleon. Napoleon was able to lead millions of soldiers into battle, and he did it for close to 20 years. Napoleon also established the "Code Napoleon" which is still the basis for the French Constitution, today. I feel that it is important to understand, correctly, what made him great; to understand how he accomplished it, and why so many people were willing to follow him into battle time after time. If you don't learn history accurately, you may just have to learn the same lesson again and again. For me, the study of his time spent on St. Helena has always been the most interesting. Except for his time on St. Helena, history moves so fast that it is difficult to see the real and human Napoleon. At St. Helena things slowed down and you are able to see the man, even though so much of his life there was wrapped up in his constant war with Sir Hudson Lowe. You do get to see the man. About twenty years ago, there was a PBS program that had an actor who went to St. Helena, and acted out all of the parts of the different players involved. He did it quite well, and he covered Napoleon's time there from when he first came there on a ship, until his death at Longwood. I would love to have a copy of that program today. However, what I remember the most about the program was the strange and incredible beauty of St. Helena. There just isn't any other place like it in the whole world, in my opinion. I doubt if I will ever be able to go there, but I would love to. Chuk Palm Desert, CA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/544 - Release Date: 21/11/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061123/0e371bd6/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Wed Nov 22 22:11:24 2006 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 22 22:11:38 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" Message-ID: Hi Caroline, as I understand it, the movie is going to be shot somewhere like or near Transilvania; anyway, someplace in eastern Europe. So, we won't be able to see any of St. Helena. That is a shame because St. Helena is such a unique and beautiful place. Chuk'r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061122/db11c25a/attachment.htm From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Wed Nov 22 23:10:02 2006 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed Nov 22 23:10:14 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Not Shot On Location Message-ID: <28F6446A-B7EE-4D09-9D7D-0EDEAA5CF51C@earthlink.net> On Nov 22, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Hdchucker@aol.com wrote: > Hi Caroline, as I understand it, the movie is going to be shot > somewhere like or near Transilvania; anyway, someplace in eastern > Europe. So, we won't be able to see any of St. Helena. That is a > shame because St. Helena is such a unique and beautiful place. > This is unsurprising. A John Wayne movie Gengis Khan, the action of which supposedly takes place in the Gobi Desert, was shot in the southwestwern USA, because some director who'd never seen the Gobi decided that a particular piece of desert he drove by there "looked like" the Gobi. Also, as I discovered recently, logistical support is extraordinarily difficult on-island, and when I asked, the St. Helena Development Agency was unable to tell me what skills were available locally on the island, so anyone hoping to do business there would have to bring _everything_, including every possible skill set, to the island, which itself is rough given transit costs (and space limits) on the RMS St. Helena. If one hopes to shoot, for example, construction of period dwellings, one would have to buy and develop land for the purpose (one can't shoot the original buildings, because they now have plaques and markers and fences and so on that are now incorrect) ... and it seems even people with status as Saints can't all now buy property without a permit. From what I understand, getting permits is apparently impossible even when none of the parties object. I'd like to see business development on the island, especially business that does not require a great deal of traffic on the island, but there are some organs of government that simply aren't working for the interests of the island's economic well-being, and seem motivated by some sort of ideal that requires island-born ownership of everything, even if it kills the island by accelerating loss of local talent due to inability to create new jobs (because foreign business cannot, as a practical matter, gain a foothold). When I visited, I was involved in presenting a project that seemed to have considerable local support, and no deal-killing objections raised by anyone, but ExCo seems to prefer the project die rather than tell us to try it. We're naturally uninterested under the circumstances in attempting a project without at least a nod of approval from the government, since SHG can halt anything we would do through local legislation in a heartbeat and we are really only interested in doing business locally if in effect invited. It's a lovely island and it's full of wonderful people. Unfortunately, the problem of government that doesn't do right my its people is apparently such an epidemic that not even St. Helena has been kept free. Incidentally, our solution to the lack of identifiable skills we'd need for our project was to offer training to locals (our specialists are experienced instructors), and preferentially hire the Saints to do things needed over a several-year initial project period. Hiring off-island personnel would be required initially, but phasing most of them out (thus freeing them for off-island projects) would be a priority. Transiting non-Saints home and back as their rotations came and went (plus housing them somewhere at the project's expense) is obviously bad finance, especially as you begin calculating the wages you'd pay to have people in transit (which dwarfs even the RMS bill). Several locals seemed interested in our offering training in the various fields we described, even locals with hobbyist interests in these fields and no desire to work on our project at all. As a bonus, some of the training would help make the island less dependent on off-island expertise. We proposed providing the training without charge. There were, naturally, a number of very legitimate concerns about how the project should be properly done, if done at all. I for one was very excited that none of these concerns were not subject to being addressed up-front and handled to mutual satisfaction. Every concern was susceptible to some verifiable solution. The issue seemed to be how it should be done, not whether. Yet silence on the part of SHG has the project dead in the water. The last we heard, ExCo was "unable" to make a decision. That is, "unable" to tell us whether ExCo would like to begin discussing the terms under which the project would be done -- no-one has made any specific demand to which ExCo could possibly object; the only question on the table at present is theoretical. This tells us members of ExCo (unlike Saints themselves) are not only uninterested, but lack the decency to tell us so, and have wasted our time. We will be going someplace else instead, in early 2007. Our wages and rents will not be spent anywhere near St. Helena, unfortunately, though our St. Helena budget was in the millions (of pounds). We certainly have our door open in case anyone on St. Helena wants to tell us how to proceed in light of the current situation, but the island has ceased to be our priority. Perhaps the St. Helena Development Agency could offer some tips on how off-island enterprises can successfully train and hire Saints to do work on the island. Saints seem to think this is as good a thing as we ourselves thought; however, interfacing with SHG is another matter entirely. Assistance in lubricating this process would be useful to any off-island enterprise hoping to employ Saints for work on St. Helena. Very best regards, Chris Lewis From jvigor at earthlink.net Wed Nov 22 23:55:21 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Wed Nov 22 23:54:28 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Not Shot On Location References: <28F6446A-B7EE-4D09-9D7D-0EDEAA5CF51C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c70e89$4b225c80$5401f304@fmk4n> Christopher, your experience with the SHG was obviously very disheartening. Can you tell us what the nature of your project was -- and still might be, with any luck? Best wishes, John Vigor From jvigor at earthlink.net Thu Nov 23 00:03:00 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Thu Nov 23 00:02:06 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Message-ID: <005001c70e8a$5cb21980$5401f304@fmk4n> Rob, David, and John: You are welcome to use what you like from my contributions to this listing. I would mention as an aside to John Turner that the attribution I like best, as one who earns his total living by writing, is in the form of those nice crisp notes you keep in the tellers' drawers. The reason most writers are poor is that too many people use their work without paying for it. How many people would have the nerve, I wonder, to say to their doctor: "I'd like you to remove my appendix for nothing--and in return I'll give you attribution on my website."? No matter. That battle is long lost, and I wouldn't want my curmudgeonly tendencies to overcome my natural generosity, so please go ahead and use what you like. If you feel the need to humour me, the attribution that would satisfy me is this: --John Vigor, author of "Small Boat to Freedom" (The Lyons Press; Connecticut; 2005). Of my published books, I chose "Small Boat" because it is the story of my family's 1987 emigration from South Africa to America on a 31-foot sailboat, and it has a chapter devoted to St. Helena. I am a dual British/American citizen living in the Pacific Northwest of the USA but I spent most of my grown-up years as a journalist in South Africa. Best wishes, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:38 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena > John (and others), > > If you can give me an attribution I'll be pleased to use your (now-famous) > line as the intro to the bank's website page for visitors. > > Regards, > John Turner > Manager, Bank of St. Helena -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061122/e2ac8148/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Nov 23 10:43:41 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Nov 23 10:45:19 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Business Development on St. Helena In-Reply-To: <28F6446A-B7EE-4D09-9D7D-0EDEAA5CF51C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <015801c70ee3$ed62f900$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Chris (and others), You may have heard that the new SHG "Tourism and Investment Policy" was issued yesterday. I only have a paper copy at present but have been promised that I will be alerted as soon as it is published on the SHG website, and will include a link on the bank's website and email the link to this list. The new policy aims to encourage inward investment and may be a step towards addressing the issues you have raised. I've also passed your posting to SHDA and will feed back with any comment I get. The bank is unconditionally keen to encourage business development on St.?Helena. If I can do anything to help with projects please contact me directly using manager@sainthelenabank.com PS: I believe I am correct in saying that the 1951 Bogart/Hepburn movie "The African Queen" was shot in the UK on the Thames, and the parrots that were released to make it look like the African Jungle are now feral and causing a nuisance to planes landing at Heathrow. Or maybe that's just another urban myth. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher D. Lewis Sent: 22 November 2006 22:10 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] Not Shot On Location On Nov 22, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Hdchucker@aol.com wrote: > Hi Caroline, as I understand it, the movie is going to be shot > somewhere like or near Transilvania; anyway, someplace in eastern > Europe. So, we won't be able to see any of St. Helena. That is a > shame because St. Helena is such a unique and beautiful place. > This is unsurprising. A John Wayne movie Gengis Khan, the action of which supposedly takes place in the Gobi Desert, was shot in the southwestwern USA, because some director who'd never seen the Gobi decided that a particular piece of desert he drove by there "looked like" the Gobi. Also, as I discovered recently, logistical support is extraordinarily difficult on-island, and when I asked, the St. Helena Development Agency was unable to tell me what skills were available locally on the island, so anyone hoping to do business there would have to bring _everything_, including every possible skill set, to the island, which itself is rough given transit costs (and space limits) on the RMS St. Helena. If one hopes to shoot, for example, construction of period dwellings, one would have to buy and develop land for the purpose (one can't shoot the original buildings, because they now have plaques and markers and fences and so on that are now incorrect) ... and it seems even people with status as Saints can't all now buy property without a permit. From what I understand, getting permits is apparently impossible even when none of the parties object. I'd like to see business development on the island, especially business that does not require a great deal of traffic on the island, but there are some organs of government that simply aren't working for the interests of the island's economic well-being, and seem motivated by some sort of ideal that requires island-born ownership of everything, even if it kills the island by accelerating loss of local talent due to inability to create new jobs (because foreign business cannot, as a practical matter, gain a foothold). When I visited, I was involved in presenting a project that seemed to have considerable local support, and no deal-killing objections raised by anyone, but ExCo seems to prefer the project die rather than tell us to try it. We're naturally uninterested under the circumstances in attempting a project without at least a nod of approval from the government, since SHG can halt anything we would do through local legislation in a heartbeat and we are really only interested in doing business locally if in effect invited. It's a lovely island and it's full of wonderful people. Unfortunately, the problem of government that doesn't do right my its people is apparently such an epidemic that not even St. Helena has been kept free. Incidentally, our solution to the lack of identifiable skills we'd need for our project was to offer training to locals (our specialists are experienced instructors), and preferentially hire the Saints to do things needed over a several-year initial project period. Hiring off-island personnel would be required initially, but phasing most of them out (thus freeing them for off-island projects) would be a priority. Transiting non-Saints home and back as their rotations came and went (plus housing them somewhere at the project's expense) is obviously bad finance, especially as you begin calculating the wages you'd pay to have people in transit (which dwarfs even the RMS bill). Several locals seemed interested in our offering training in the various fields we described, even locals with hobbyist interests in these fields and no desire to work on our project at all. As a bonus, some of the training would help make the island less dependent on off-island expertise. We proposed providing the training without charge. There were, naturally, a number of very legitimate concerns about how the project should be properly done, if done at all. I for one was very excited that none of these concerns were not subject to being addressed up-front and handled to mutual satisfaction. Every concern was susceptible to some verifiable solution. The issue seemed to be how it should be done, not whether. Yet silence on the part of SHG has the project dead in the water. The last we heard, ExCo was "unable" to make a decision. That is, "unable" to tell us whether ExCo would like to begin discussing the terms under which the project would be done -- no-one has made any specific demand to which ExCo could possibly object; the only question on the table at present is theoretical. This tells us members of ExCo (unlike Saints themselves) are not only uninterested, but lack the decency to tell us so, and have wasted our time. We will be going someplace else instead, in early 2007. Our wages and rents will not be spent anywhere near St. Helena, unfortunately, though our St. Helena budget was in the millions (of pounds). We certainly have our door open in case anyone on St. Helena wants to tell us how to proceed in light of the current situation, but the island has ceased to be our priority. Perhaps the St. Helena Development Agency could offer some tips on how off-island enterprises can successfully train and hire Saints to do work on the island. Saints seem to think this is as good a thing as we ourselves thought; however, interfacing with SHG is another matter entirely. Assistance in lubricating this process would be useful to any off-island enterprise hoping to employ Saints for work on St. Helena. Very best regards, Chris Lewis The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From robson at iinet.net.au Thu Nov 23 10:50:44 2006 From: robson at iinet.net.au (A.G.Robertson) Date: Thu Nov 23 10:51:11 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061123174806.028cae68@iinet.net.au> For the uninitiated like me, Kipling's poem can be found at http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/shortstories/RewardsandFairies/chap20.html Alastair Robertson. At 12:50 AM 23/11/2006, you wrote: >Yes, Napy was on Elba during his "first" exile. For some reason the >exile didn't stick and he came back for his "Hundred >Days." Actually, he had a very nice situation there on Elba and >even had some of his family with him if I recall correctly. Had >ladies around for him to flirt with; people who thought his you know >what didn't stink. He certainly had things a whole lot better than >he ever did at St. Helena. > >Re: "How far is St. Helena from the field of Waterloo? A near >way--a clear way--the ship will take you soon. A pleasant place for >gentlemen with little else to do." > >R. Kipling. > >Chuk'r >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061123/befc31c1/attachment.htm From cagaden at northnet.com.au Thu Nov 23 14:35:43 2006 From: cagaden at northnet.com.au (Caroline Gaden) Date: Thu Nov 23 14:37:23 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" References: Message-ID: <007701c70f04$77907470$bd61543a@Caroline> It'll be difficult to get the right views for those imposing cliffs soaring out of the ocean.... or perhaps it'll all be computer driven! Cheers Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/88605a5e/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Thu Nov 23 17:55:59 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Thu Nov 23 17:55:06 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <014401c70ede$c2c99d70$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <000601c70f20$42848660$6303f204@fmk4n> Hi John: Before you commit yourself, there are two copies of that particular book on the island. Edward Thorpe has one, and Cliff Huxtable has the other. You will know these people and I'm sure they'll lend you the book if you ask nicely and maybe beg a little. If, after you've read it, you still want a copy, get back to me and I can send one to you. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'John and June Vigor'" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena > John, > > I'll include the quote in the next update, with the full attribution. I'd > also like to buy a copy of the book. I can order it through Amazon but an > author-signed copy is nicer. Are you able to send me one, and how much > would I need to send you (in USD or the currency of your choice)? > > JT > > > John Turner > Manager, Bank of St. Helena > www.SaintHelenaBank.com > Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. > Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 > > From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Nov 23 18:30:45 2006 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 23 18:31:02 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" Message-ID: I would bet that the movie maker's have some "stock" footage that they can use for the cliffs, for when they show, "The Monster," arriving at St. Helena. Of course they could use CGI to put in an ocean at the bottom of a hillside. I think one of the most remarkable things about St. Helena is the way it suddenly looms out of the ocean; like a huge monolith. I don't know of any other place that is quite like that. Chuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061123/8965871c/attachment.htm From michellehales at hotmail.com Thu Nov 23 19:10:50 2006 From: michellehales at hotmail.com (Michelle Hales) Date: Thu Nov 23 19:11:06 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tristan da Cunha looms. >From: Hdchucker@aol.com >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >To: list@sthelena.se >Subject: Re: [STHELENA] "The Monster of Longwood" >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:30:45 EST > >I would bet that the movie maker's have some "stock" footage that they can >use for the cliffs, for when they show, "The Monster," arriving at St. >Helena. > Of course they could use CGI to put in an ocean at the bottom of a >hillside. I think one of the most remarkable things about St. Helena is >the way it >suddenly looms out of the ocean; like a huge monolith. I don't know of >any >other place that is quite like that. > >Chuk >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb From coalbunny at wyoming.com Thu Nov 23 20:05:18 2006 From: coalbunny at wyoming.com (coalbunny) Date: Thu Nov 23 20:05:38 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena history Message-ID: <4565F0EE.80200@wyoming.com> I have a variety of questions about St. Helena. 1. What was St. Helena's role in WW1 & WW2? 2. What about the other international conflicts, like the Falkland's campaign, Persian Gulf 1&2, Korea, & Vietnam? 3. Was St. Helena a military base in those? 4. What is the history behind St. Helena's military role, if any? 5. What is a good sources of information on the geology or St. Helena? Thanks! Carl USA From emutech16 at tiscali.co.uk Fri Nov 24 05:53:08 2006 From: emutech16 at tiscali.co.uk (Jon (whe else?)) Date: Fri Nov 24 05:53:19 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Business Development on St. Helena References: <015801c70ee3$ed62f900$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <005b01c70f84$6fd44330$106a2b50@megitl89agohfp> What a coincidence, I play Golf (or rather I distribute golf balls to needy charities such the local kids) at a place called Perivale in West London. The course is home to hundreds of these birds. They are very pretty to watch, but as always there are loads of urban legends about how they came to be there. Now I have another one to add to my list. Thanks John. Jon Dingey East London Correspondent > > PS: I believe I am correct in saying that the 1951 Bogart/Hepburn movie "The > African Queen" was shot in the UK on the Thames, and the parrots that were > released to make it look like the African Jungle are now feral and causing a > nuisance to planes landing at Heathrow. Or maybe that's just another urban > myth. > > Regards, > John Turner > Manager, Bank of St. Helena > www.SaintHelenaBank.com > Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. > Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are > those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. > This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for > the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication > privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you > received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any > review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or > any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the > communication. Thank you. From joocee at btopenworld.com Fri Nov 24 10:27:12 2006 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Fri Nov 24 10:08:00 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena history References: <4565F0EE.80200@wyoming.com> Message-ID: <003c01c70fab$0140d9c0$2698fea9@juliet> Geology of St. Helena - a Guide to the Geology of Ascension Island and St. Helena by Barry Weaver - this is the only handbook that I could lay my hands on - I bought it from that excellent Museum in St. Helena, on a recent visit - they may have more, or it maybe obtainable, on loan from a good County or University library. It is an oversized A4 book - bound in a plastic cover with a file holder to keep it all together. But don't let that put you off - good diagrams and photos. - also plenty of info. on the web - go into www.geosciences.ou.edu/-bweaver/Ascension/aigeplmp.htm Hope this is of help. Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "coalbunny" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena history > I have a variety of questions about St. Helena. > > 1. What was St. Helena's role in WW1 & WW2? > 2. What about the other international conflicts, like the Falkland's > campaign, Persian Gulf 1&2, Korea, & Vietnam? > 3. Was St. Helena a military base in those? > 4. What is the history behind St. Helena's military role, if any? > 5. What is a good sources of information on the geology or St. Helena? > Thanks! > Carl > USA > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From g.tordini at tiscali.it Fri Nov 24 10:11:43 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Fri Nov 24 10:12:00 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: <008301c70fa8$8f6b1330$4879dd54@ESSEDI> 24-11-06 Ok, Reino Bauer, mando la risposta anche alla mailing list per quelli come te che comprendono la mia lingua. Caro Dean Bulletti, ecco perch? mi piacerebbe andare a SH: Io amo molto navigare a vela, e non mi dispiace navigare in solitario, anche se lo faccio di rado perch? il Mediterraneo ha molto traffico, e bisogna fare sempre la guardia. Mi piacerebbe pertanto fare un viaggio un po' lungo fuori dalle rotte commerciali, dove poter assorbire il ritmo della navigazione: messa a punto della barca, fare il carteggio, cucinare, leggere, dormire ... e veleggiare. Nel '92, per festeggiare la ricorrenza della scoperta dell?America, sono stato ai Carabi in barca con amici, e sono stati 17 giorni di perfetto relax, anche se eravamo in nove; ciascuno aveva il suo turno di incombenze: tre ore di guardia, un'ora al timone, un turno ogni nove a lavare i piatti, un turno ogni nove a cucinare; e il resto del tempo a leggere, dormire, guardare il mare, sognare, chiedersi cosa ci stiamo a fare, perch? dover tornare a casa e non continuare a vivere sul mare, etc Questo ? sicuramente un motivo: il viaggio di avvicinamento. Un altro ? l'originalit? del viaggio: SH ? fuori da ogni rotta commerciale, lontana dalla rotta degli alisei di nord-est, quelli affollati dalle barche che vanno ai Carabi e da tutti quelli che fanno il giro del mondo; l? non c'? una situazione simile a "Gibilterra-Canarie-Capo Verde-Alisei-Caraibi", non ci sono barche che partono dalla costa africana e vanno in Brasile, ma solo poche barche che vengono dal Sud Africa e vanno in Brasile o ai Caraibi. Un altro ? la quasi assenza del turismo, e quindi la riscoperta di essere un ospite; non c'? l'aeroporto e quindi non c'? turismo di massa; non c'? nemmeno un porto vero, il che limita anche la permanenza per lungo tempo dei "vagabondi del mare"; ? in mezzo a un oceano che ? abbastanza imprevedibile, anche se l'isola ? sulla fascia degli alisei di sud-est. Insomma ? un posto isolato e pieno di storia, casualmente venuto alla conoscenza del mondo solo perch? vi era confinato Napoleone, ma per la sua posizione ancora non troppo contaminato dal turismo. Il clima ? attraente, e gli isolani, proprio perch? isolati, sono ancora sicuramente cordiali con i nuovi arrivi. Sei mai stato all'isola d'Elba? Per alcuni anni ho avuto l? in affitto una bella casa con vista sul porto vecchio, e ho frequentato l?isola solo in bassa stagione, godendo di tutta la storia e le bellezze naturalistiche che l'isola offre; ? forse l'isola pi? ricca di storia che esiste al mondo, a motivo della sua ricchezza in ferro, che ne ha fatto uno dei luoghi pi? ambiti dai potenti fino dagli albori della civilt?. Ebbene, secondo me ? l'isola pi? bella del mondo, ma non ? frequentabile durante la bella stagione, perch? ? a cinque miglia dal porto di Piombino, e c'? un traghetto ogni 30 minuti, perci? va vissuta in bassa stagione e durante i giorni di lavoro. Perch? ti parlo dell'Elba? Perch? ? un'isola, cio? ? un luogo circondato dall'acqua del mare, e perch? ? piena di cose belle, e ha il fascino della storia, Napoleone compreso, ma ? troppo facile da raggiungere, e in estate ? piena di gente che ? interessata solo a fare il bagno nel suo bel mare, e gli isolani hanno imparato a difendersi da tutta questa folla anonima; e solo durante l?inverno l?isola acquista nuovamente la sua vera anima. Concludendo: perch? mi attira SH? Perch? ? un'isola lontana, e per raggiungerla dovrei fare un viaggio lungo in barca a vela; perch? ? sicuramente bella ed ha un buon clima; perch? ha una storia interessante; perch? ha sicuramente una popolazione accogliente; perch? non ? contaminata dal turismo di massa: quando avr? l'aeroporto perder? gran parte del suo fascino, e forse lo perder? del tutto. Insomma, un posto dove potrei anche desiderare di finire i miei giorni. Per questo motivo da anni raccolgo notizie su questo posto, cercando di rendermi conto se ? nelle mie possibilit? di raggiungerla con la mia barca. Nella mia vita mi ? piaciuto vivere intensamente e ho avuto una vita molto piena, che non sto a descriverti, e poich? da questo agosto sono in pensione dall?ospedale (anche se continuo a lavorare come libero professionista perch? il mio lavoro continua a piacermi), cerco di stringere i tempi, perch? con gli anni la forza fisica ? notevolmente calata, e questa potrebbe anche essere la mia ultima avventura. Saluti a tutti. giuliano tordini Giuliano Tordini Via G. Garibaldi 18 59100 Prato g.tordini@tiscali.it +39 0574 42 462 mobile +39 339 60 33 820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But don't let that > put you off - good diagrams and photos. - also plenty of info. on the web - > go into www.geosciences.ou.edu/-bweaver/Ascension/aigeplmp.htm Hope this is > of help. Juliet. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "coalbunny" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena history > > > >> I have a variety of questions about St. Helena. >> >> 1. What was St. Helena's role in WW1 & WW2? >> 2. What about the other international conflicts, like the Falkland's >> campaign, Persian Gulf 1&2, Korea, & Vietnam? >> 3. Was St. Helena a military base in those? >> 4. What is the history behind St. Helena's military role, if any? >> 5. What is a good sources of information on the geology or St. Helena? >> Thanks! >> Carl >> USA >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/39a40d36/attachment.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Fri Nov 24 10:49:26 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Fri Nov 24 10:49:37 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: <011401c70fad$d43e4cc0$4879dd54@ESSEDI> 24-11-06 To sombody who knows it: I have to renew the wooden deck and to paint the deadwork of my boat, a sailing boat of 11,60 meters, 26 years old. I thought to do it next year in Turkey, Greeceland or Tunisia, were the labor is cheaper; but I would like to come to Saint Helena Island in 2007 or 2008 and leave there the boat a year long about. Is in Jamestown somebody who could do this kind of work? And the prices? Could somebody tell me the prices of hauling and launching the boat, and leaving it on a cradle? Thank you very much. Giuliano Giuliano Tordini Via G. Garibaldi 18 59100 Prato g.tordini@tiscali.it +39 0574 42 462 mobile +39 339 60 33 820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/3d3a49d5/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Fri Nov 24 12:28:11 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Nov 24 12:29:30 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <011401c70fad$d43e4cc0$4879dd54@ESSEDI> Message-ID: <022801c70fbb$a4e9b870$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Giuliano, I've passed on your request to SHDA. For the benefit of everyone on the list, SHDA maintains a 'business directory' which indexes all the businesses on the island and what they can do. I'm not sure if they have put this on their website yet, but if you contact their business advisory section, using either address on the CC list to this message, I'm sure they will be delighted to provide information. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of giuliano tordini Sent: 24 November 2006 09:49 To: St Helena Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) 24-11-06 To sombody who knows it: I have to renew the wooden deck and to paint the deadwork of my boat, a sailing boat of 11,60 meters, 26 years old. I thought to do it next year in Turkey, Greeceland or Tunisia, were the labor is cheaper; but I would like to come to Saint Helena Island in 2007 or 2008 and leave there the boat a year long about. Is in Jamestown somebody who could do this kind of work? And the prices? Could somebody tell me the prices of hauling and launching the boat, and leaving it on a cradle? Thank you very much. Giuliano Giuliano Tordini Via G. Garibaldi 18 59100 Prato g.tordini@tiscali.it +39 0574 42 462 mobile +39 339 60 33 820 __________ NOD32 1880 (20061123) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/934c0bff/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Nov 24 13:43:07 2006 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (RobG) Date: Fri Nov 24 13:43:17 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <005001c70e8a$5cb21980$5401f304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <004e01c70fc6$18c9fb60$0a00000a@NODE> David, John... and John, forgive me, I'm slow on the mark this week but I need to respond... "... the attribution I like best, as one who earns his total living by writing, is in the form of those nice crisp notes you keep in the tellers' drawers..." Wahaha, nice retort on John T's behalf - that must be the most tactful written hint I have EVER read! I can't but help identify very closely with John V's valid lament; "The reason most writers are poor is that too many people use their work without paying for it." The real reason is that (good) writers are more interested in performing their "craft" than they are savvy to marketing their talent - and THAT, however, I believe is one of the marks of a "true writer". The recognition is there, but so are the buzzards! Haha, and we all know about "wealthy", deceased artists! Anyway, I greatfully accept the conditions of usage for the now "famous" line... careful now John V, I may fly a film crew over to you for an interview as well! John V, I'd very much like to also order a (signed) copy of your book if I may. Do you have a copy I could purchase from yourself or could you refer me to a local bookstore in Durban? If you do have a copy, then please send me your banking details with costs (incl. postage) and I'll deposit the cash asap... I'll follow up with my address details later. Many thanks in anticipation, Rob Greaves ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Rob, David, and John: You are welcome to use what you like from my contributions to this listing. I would mention as an aside to John Turner that the attribution I like best, as one who earns his total living by writing, is in the form of those nice crisp notes you keep in the tellers' drawers. The reason most writers are poor is that too many people use their work without paying for it. How many people would have the nerve, I wonder, to say to their doctor: "I'd like you to remove my appendix for nothing--and in return I'll give you attribution on my website."? No matter. That battle is long lost, and I wouldn't want my curmudgeonly tendencies to overcome my natural generosity, so please go ahead and use what you like. If you feel the need to humour me, the attribution that would satisfy me is this: --John Vigor, author of "Small Boat to Freedom" (The Lyons Press; Connecticut; 2005). Of my published books, I chose "Small Boat" because it is the story of my family's 1987 emigration from South Africa to America on a 31-foot sailboat, and it has a chapter devoted to St. Helena. I am a dual British/American citizen living in the Pacific Northwest of the USA but I spent most of my grown-up years as a journalist in South Africa. Best wishes, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:38 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena > John (and others), > > If you can give me an attribution I'll be pleased to use your (now-famous) > line as the intro to the bank's website page for visitors. > > Regards, > John Turner > Manager, Bank of St. Helena ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - Release Date: 11/20/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: coalbunny To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] St. Helena history Thank you! carl JULIET COTTAM wrote: Geology of St. Helena - a Guide to the Geology of Ascension Island and St. Helena by Barry Weaver - this is the only handbook that I could lay my hands on - I bought it from that excellent Museum in St. Helena, on a recent visit - they may have more, or it maybe obtainable, on loan from a good County or University library. It is an oversized A4 book - bound in a plastic cover with a file holder to keep it all together. But don't let that put you off - good diagrams and photos. - also plenty of info. on the web - go into www.geosciences.ou.edu/-bweaver/Ascension/aigeplmp.htm Hope this is of help. Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "coalbunny" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena history I have a variety of questions about St. Helena. 1. What was St. Helena's role in WW1 & WW2? 2. What about the other international conflicts, like the Falkland's campaign, Persian Gulf 1&2, Korea, & Vietnam? 3. Was St. Helena a military base in those? 4. What is the history behind St. Helena's military role, if any? 5. What is a good sources of information on the geology or St. Helena? Thanks! Carl USA The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/007e1291/attachment-0001.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Fri Nov 24 13:59:31 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Nov 24 14:00:38 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c70fc8$69daeee0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Interestingly, the Wikipedia entry for the film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_African_Queen) says that "Scenes in which Bogart and Hepburn are seen in the water were all shot in studio tanks in England because of health concerns. Almost all of the other scenes were filmed in central Africa, causing considerable hardship for the cast and crew, but the result was a critical and commercial success." Anyway, back on the subject of shooting films in St. Helena, sadly any film director with a finite budget (?is there any other kind?) is not going to be impressed by the costs and timescale issues of coming here to film, at least before we get the airport. Computer graphics are probably much cheaper and you don't have to leave California. But if any Directors are reading this, I for one would be happy to help them set up some filming here. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri Sent: 24 November 2006 12:43 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen Sorry guys, another urban myth. The movie was shot in the vicinity of the southern Mexican town of Tapachula, Chiapas close to the Pacific coast and the Guatemala border. I should know, it was shot near my long deceased grandfather's coffee plantation............and he didn't like it, so he told me. Luis Calvillo Mexico City -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/54b671af/attachment.htm From nealicc at tiscali.co.uk Fri Nov 24 14:12:17 2006 From: nealicc at tiscali.co.uk (nealicc@tiscali.co.uk) Date: Fri Nov 24 14:12:38 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4565056900003D2D@mail-1-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Not quite, The African Queen was shot at Isleworth in the swimming pool at Witton(?) Studio. Possibly the jungle shots were in Mexico but all the close up stuff with the boat was done in the studio. St Helena... lovely place. I was there for 3 (yes 3!!!) days in 2002 to train the police in use of radar speed guns. Regards...Neal Pearson >-- Original Message -- >From: "Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri" >To: list@sthelena.se >Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:43:11 -0600 >Subject: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > > >
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Sorry guys, another urban myth. The movie was shot in the vicinity of the >southern Mexican town of Tapachula, Chiapas close to the Pacific coast and >the Guatemala border. I should know, it was shot near my long deceased grandfather's >coffee plantation............and he didn't like it, so he told me.

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> >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Nov 24 14:21:07 2006 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (RobG) Date: Fri Nov 24 14:21:12 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen References: <001f01c70fc8$69daeee0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <00af01c70fcb$672dc8e0$0a00000a@NODE> Thank you John, have no doubt, I'll definitely make contact with you come closer to the time I am ready to film in St.Helena!... it has been on my heart for four years now. Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen Interestingly, the Wikipedia entry for the film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_African_Queen) says that "Scenes in which Bogart and Hepburn are seen in the water were all shot in studio tanks in England because of health concerns. Almost all of the other scenes were filmed in central Africa, causing considerable hardship for the cast and crew, but the result was a critical and commercial success." Anyway, back on the subject of shooting films in St. Helena, sadly any film director with a finite budget (?is there any other kind?) is not going to be impressed by the costs and timescale issues of coming here to film, at least before we get the airport. Computer graphics are probably much cheaper and you don't have to leave California. But if any Directors are reading this, I for one would be happy to help them set up some filming here. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri Sent: 24 November 2006 12:43 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen Sorry guys, another urban myth. The movie was shot in the vicinity of the southern Mexican town of Tapachula, Chiapas close to the Pacific coast and the Guatemala border. I should know, it was shot near my long deceased grandfather's coffee plantation............and he didn't like it, so he told me. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/97e4f72d/attachment-0001.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Fri Nov 24 15:24:51 2006 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Fri Nov 24 15:25:09 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen In-Reply-To: <4565056900003D2D@mail-1-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <8C8DDEB70207EBE-BE0-2A5B@WEBMAIL-MC18.sysops.aol.com> Is there that much speeding traffic on the Island? -----Original Message----- From: nealicc@tiscali.co.uk To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 6:12 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen Not quite, The African Queen was shot at Isleworth in the swimming pool at Witton(?) Studio. Possibly the jungle shots were in Mexico but all the close up stuff with the boat was done in the studio. St Helena... lovely place. I was there for 3 (yes 3!!!) days in 2002 to train the police in use of radar speed guns. Regards...Neal Pearson >-- Original Message -- >From: "Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri" >To: list@sthelena.se >Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:43:11 -0600 >Subject: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen >Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > > >
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Sorry guys, another urban myth. The movie was shot in the vicinity of the >southern Mexican town of Tapachula, Chiapas close to the Pacific coast and >the Guatemala border. I should know, it was shot near my long deceased grandfather's >coffee plantation............and he didn't like it, so he told me.

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Sorry guys, another urban myth. The movie was shot in the vicinity >of the >>southern Mexican town of Tapachula, Chiapas close to the Pacific coast and >>the Guatemala border. I should know, it was shot near my long deceased >grandfather's >>coffee plantation............and he didn't like it, so he told me.

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>> >>The S:t Helena Mailing List >>To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > >___________________________________________________________ > >Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! >http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >________________________________________________________________________ >Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading >spam and email virus protection. >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Unlimited Broadband with FREE weekend calls only 12.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From coalbunny at wyoming.com Fri Nov 24 18:19:26 2006 From: coalbunny at wyoming.com (coalbunny) Date: Fri Nov 24 18:19:39 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena history In-Reply-To: <006701c70fc6$c5405f60$0a00000a@NODE> References: <4565F0EE.80200@wyoming.com><003c01c70fab$0140d9c0$2698fea9@juliet> <4566BAAF.70003@wyoming.com> <006701c70fc6$c5405f60$0a00000a@NODE> Message-ID: <4567299E.8080206@wyoming.com> Hmmm. Won't go, either way. Carl RobG wrote: > Er... if you're having a problem with the link as I did, change the > "hyphen/dash" before "bweaver" into a "tilda" key... normally found > underneath the "Escape" button on your keyboard. > > Rob G > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* coalbunny > *To:* All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > > *Sent:* Friday, November 24, 2006 11:26 AM > *Subject:* Re: [STHELENA] St. Helena history > > Thank you! > carl > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/d79e3d29/attachment.htm From Reino.Bauer at t-online.de Fri Nov 24 19:09:41 2006 From: Reino.Bauer at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Fri Nov 24 19:10:01 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding In-Reply-To: <45650AA500004C0F@mail-3-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <45650AA500004C0F@mail-3-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <45673565.5070001@bigfoot.com> Hi, am just back from voyage 91 on the RMS. Interesting reading for a non islander were the two weekly newspapers. They bring the police report from the week passed. And there were speeding tickets mentioned. Hard to believe when we saw the roads and were driven around by Colin in his cheribam (no idea how to spell that). Another one was the lead story on one of the papers titled in large letters "Congestion in Jamestown". It happened for a couple of hours when the 50+ vehicles were offloaded that the RMS had brought down from the UK and brought the capitals activity almost to a standstill. We wondered whether a congestion charge was in the offing. :-) Reino. nealicc@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >Not a lot, 20 mph limit as I remember, but a hell of a nice experience. > > > > >>-- Original Message -- >>To: list@sthelena.se >>Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen >>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:24:51 -0500 >>From: prporter1@aim.com >>Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> >> >>Is there that much speeding traffic on the Island? >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/1b9ab575/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Fri Nov 24 20:30:52 2006 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (RobG) Date: Fri Nov 24 20:31:07 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St. Helena history References: <4565F0EE.80200@wyoming.com><003c01c70fab$0140d9c0$2698fea9@juliet> <4566BAAF.70003@wyoming.com><006701c70fc6$c5405f60$0a00000a@NODE> <4567299E.8080206@wyoming.com> Message-ID: <03ce01c70fff$0f098df0$0a00000a@NODE> Here we go Carl... try this link... it works fine with me. http://ags.ou.edu/~bweaver/Ascension/directory.htm or http://ags.ou.edu/~bweaver/ RobG ----- Original Message ----- From: coalbunny To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] St. Helena history Hmmm. Won't go, either way. Carl RobG wrote: Er... if you're having a problem with the link as I did, change the "hyphen/dash" before "bweaver" into a "tilda" key... normally found underneath the "Escape" button on your keyboard. Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: coalbunny To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] St. Helena history Thank you! carl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/9f3f656a/attachment-0001.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Sat Nov 25 03:14:02 2006 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Sat Nov 25 03:14:25 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Message-ID: There is a say that goes something like this: "Beware of wishing for something, because you might just get it." Wish for an airport to be built, on St. Helena, and you might just get it, and all of the problems that will go along with it. The building of the airport will open St. Helena to the rest of the world; and, provide easy access to many more people than you most likely want. At present it is very difficult to get to St. Helena, and what that has accomplished is the security of St. Helena against modern civilization, and the many types of pollution that comes along with it. Make it so that a person could go there over a three day weekend from work and it could be disastrous to St. Helena and what is so precious about the place. Along with an airport, will come the pressure to build hotels to house the visitors. As more people begin to go there, there will be more and more vehicle's on the roads of St. Helena simply because the visitors will want transportation provided so that they can go out and see the many attractions of the island. The idea of a Golf Course will be pursued and then there will be one. One thing I certainly believe, it is hard to resist those pursuing the Pot of Gold. When the prospect of making money presents itself, there are those who will invest money into making that happen. They will do that because they realize the Pot of Gold that lies at the end of that rainbow, and they will pull out almost all stops in order to achieve their objectives. Few people on the other side are going to be able to do a whole lot about it, because they are not going to make money by offering resistance, they will be losing money. And, in the case of my desert, and St. Helena Island, the people who live here already had our Pot of Gold. I just hope they realize it. I am sure that most people who live on St. Helena realize that living there is not a real easy thing to do. But, most of the people are able to provide for themselves and exist there. While having more people go there will boost the economy, the trade off will be the loss of the very reasons that make the island such a jewel, and such a great place to be. Turn St. Helena into a popular tourist attraction and the islander's will lose the very thing that makes living there so rewarding. To my way of thinking, what makes St. Helena so precious is that it is a place that is frozen in time, and its scenery is completely uncluttered. As I understand it, there are not many more people living there than there was in Napoleon's day. St. Helena's air is clear; its roads are not terribly congested; and, your views about the island are not damaged by man-built structures that destroy the beauty of those vistas. I live in a desert community, and my wife and I have been living here for over 30 years in the same home. When we got here the place was almost wide open and I was very thankful that we had found a place that was so scenic and pure. And, I think the word "pure" is a great way to explain things back then. Needless to say, in the past 30 years the influence of "progress" has turned our community into something that isn't much different from where we moved from those 30 years ago, in order to get away from. Today, we have to drive a ways to get back to what we had back then. But, at least we are still able to do so. Where are people going to drive to on St. Helena? Another thing I must stress, do not think that you are going to be able to resist this pursuit of the Pot of Gold that investors will pursue. Money will change hands to grease the movement, and political support will be offered with connections attached. One hand will wash the other. Soon, there could very well be a hotel sitting next to Napoleon's gravesite in the valley. How about a Golf Course across the street from Longwood? Or, perhaps an amusement park? Chuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061124/a16f4363/attachment.htm From svest at mindspring.com Sat Nov 25 04:13:22 2006 From: svest at mindspring.com (Steve Vest) Date: Sat Nov 25 04:13:33 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Message-ID: <21581285.1164424402242.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061125/206864e2/attachment.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Sun Nov 26 09:48:46 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Sun Nov 26 09:48:58 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: Message-ID: <013701c71137$b1f75b80$d048dd54@ESSEDI> 26-11-06 Dear Chuck, I completely agree with you about your analisis about building an airport, and my meaning is just what I said, in my language, answering to Dean Bulletti: your island is very fascinating, but with the airport will lose his fascination. Because of that I hope to visit your island before the airport. giuliano ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Cc: philo40@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) There is a say that goes something like this: "Beware of wishing for something, because you might just get it." Wish for an airport to be built, on St. Helena, and you might just get it, and all of the problems that will go along with it. The building of the airport will open St. Helena to the rest of the world; and, provide easy access to many more people than you most likely want. At present it is very difficult to get to St. Helena, and what that has accomplished is the security of St. Helena against modern civilization, and the many types of pollution that comes along with it. Make it so that a person could go there over a three day weekend from work and it could be disastrous to St. Helena and what is so precious about the place. Along with an airport, will come the pressure to build hotels to house the visitors. As more people begin to go there, there will be more and more vehicle's on the roads of St. Helena simply because the visitors will want transportation provided so that they can go out and see the many attractions of the island. The idea of a Golf Course will be pursued and then there will be one. One thing I certainly believe, it is hard to resist those pursuing the Pot of Gold. When the prospect of making money presents itself, there are those who will invest money into making that happen. They will do that because they realize the Pot of Gold that lies at the end of that rainbow, and they will pull out almost all stops in order to achieve their objectives. Few people on the other side are going to be able to do a whole lot about it, because they are not going to make money by offering resistance, they will be losing money. And, in the case of my desert, and St. Helena Island, the people who live here already had our Pot of Gold. I just hope they realize it. I am sure that most people who live on St. Helena realize that living there is not a real easy thing to do. But, most of the people are able to provide for themselves and exist there. While having more people go there will boost the economy, the trade off will be the loss of the very reasons that make the island such a jewel, and such a great place to be. Turn St. Helena into a popular tourist attraction and the islander's will lose the very thing that makes living there so rewarding. To my way of thinking, what makes St. Helena so precious is that it is a place that is frozen in time, and its scenery is completely uncluttered. As I understand it, there are not many more people living there than there was in Napoleon's day. St. Helena's air is clear; its roads are not terribly congested; and, your views about the island are not damaged by man-built structures that destroy the beauty of those vistas. I live in a desert community, and my wife and I have been living here for over 30 years in the same home. When we got here the place was almost wide open and I was very thankful that we had found a place that was so scenic and pure. And, I think the word "pure" is a great way to explain things back then. Needless to say, in the past 30 years the influence of "progress" has turned our community into something that isn't much different from where we moved from those 30 years ago, in order to get away from. Today, we have to drive a ways to get back to what we had back then. But, at least we are still able to do so. Where are people going to drive to on St. Helena? Another thing I must stress, do not think that you are going to be able to resist this pursuit of the Pot of Gold that investors will pursue. Money will change hands to grease the movement, and political support will be offered with connections attached. One hand will wash the other. Soon, there could very well be a hotel sitting next to Napoleon's gravesite in the valley. How about a Golf Course across the street from Longwood? Or, perhaps an amusement park? Chuk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/1b7ca899/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Sun Nov 26 18:28:52 2006 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Sun Nov 26 18:29:11 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Message-ID: <230.28b68789.329b28d4@aol.com> I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/3183fce3/attachment.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Sun Nov 26 19:52:29 2006 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Sun Nov 26 19:52:48 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <230.28b68789.329b28d4@aol.com> References: <230.28b68789.329b28d4@aol.com> Message-ID: <8C8DFA32882145B-1134-340F@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Well Chuk, What country do you rudely come from? -----Original Message----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From what I can see, the stage would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude American's getting off the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? Ah yes, the end of tranquility. Hope all is well Chuk The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/71fff7f6/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Sun Nov 26 20:51:12 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Sun Nov 26 20:50:16 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: <230.28b68789.329b28d4@aol.com> Message-ID: <002101c71194$3b3f88c0$021df304@fmk4n> Chuk, why did you single out Americans as rude people? Are they the only rude people you know? John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From what I can see, the stage would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude American's getting off the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? Ah yes, the end of tranquility. Hope all is well Chuk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/a698ea74/attachment.htm From ccprp at planet.nl Sun Nov 26 21:04:11 2006 From: ccprp at planet.nl (Rolf Weijburg) Date: Sun Nov 26 21:04:34 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: <230.28b68789.329b28d4@aol.com> <002101c71194$3b3f88c0$021df304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <001901c71196$0a561a10$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> John, as a writer you should be able to understand that "..a whole batch of very rude Americans.."doesn't mean that Americans are the only rude people. Nor does it mean that all Americans are rude. As far as I understand it only means that these are Americans and that they are rude too. What's wrong with that? Rolf ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Chuk, why did you single out Americans as rude people? Are they the only rude people you know? John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From what I can see, the stage would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude American's getting off the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? Ah yes, the end of tranquility. Hope all is well Chuk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 374 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/0171a089/attachment.htm From takkies at mighty.co.za Sun Nov 26 21:36:23 2006 From: takkies at mighty.co.za (RobG) Date: Sun Nov 26 21:37:10 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: <230.28b68789.329b28d4@aol.com><002101c71194$3b3f88c0$021df304@fmk4n> <001901c71196$0a561a10$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> Message-ID: <004401c7119a$95ee32c0$0a00000a@Rob> Wahaha, I see the funny side of what Chuk (and John V) said and how easily this could all be misinterpreted. I KNOW from past experience AND from friends in the tourism industry - a bus-load of American tourists often appear and come across as "brash" and "rude" - my gawd, I wish I had the time right now to share some of the stories and expressions I've encountered! But Rolf, your disection of what John V said is JUST that too... "it only means that these are Americans, and that they are rude too". John V clearly suggests that they ARE rude, but NOT necessarily the "only" rude people on this planet - afterall, John V is now living in the American heartland and should know better. Lucky for John V, I still think he has gallons of South African blood left in him :-)) Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolf Weijburg To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) John, as a writer you should be able to understand that "..a whole batch of very rude Americans.."doesn't mean that Americans are the only rude people. Nor does it mean that all Americans are rude. As far as I understand it only means that these are Americans and that they are rude too. What's wrong with that? Rolf ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Chuk, why did you single out Americans as rude people? Are they the only rude people you know? John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From what I can see, the stage would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude American's getting off the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? Ah yes, the end of tranquility. Hope all is well Chuk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 374 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/803f8695/attachment-0001.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Sun Nov 26 21:57:30 2006 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Sun Nov 26 21:57:47 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <004401c7119a$95ee32c0$0a00000a@Rob> References: <230.28b68789.329b28d4@aol.com><002101c71194$3b3f88c0$021df304@fmk4n> <001901c71196$0a561a10$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> <004401c7119a$95ee32c0$0a00000a@Rob> Message-ID: <8C8DFB49F360246-F00-F90@FWM-D32.sysops.aol.com> Probably more like South AFRIKA blood -----Original Message----- From: takkies@mighty.co.za To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Wahaha, I see the funny side of what Chuk (and John V) said and how easily this could all be misinterpreted. I KNOW from past experience AND from friends in the tourism industry - a bus-load of American tourists often appear and come across as "brash" and "rude" - my gawd, I wish I had the time right now to share some of the stories and expressions I've encountered! But Rolf, your disection of what John V said is JUST that too... "it only means that these are Americans, and that they are rude too". John V clearly suggests that they ARE rude, but NOT necessarily the "only" rude people on this planet - afterall, John V is now living in the American heartland and should know better. Lucky for John V, I still think he has gallons of South African blood left in him :-)) Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolf Weijburg To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) John, as a writer you should be able to understand that "..a whole batch of very rude Americans.."doesn't mean that Americans are the only rude people. Nor does it mean that all Americans are rude. As far as I understand it only means that these are Americans and that they are rude too. What's wrong with that? Rolf ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Chuk, why did you single out Americans as rude people? Are they the only rude people you know? John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From what I can see, the stage would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude American's getting off the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? Ah yes, the end of tranquility. Hope all is well Chuk The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 374 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/2006 The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/027f0e48/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Sun Nov 26 23:50:28 2006 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Sun Nov 26 23:50:42 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Rude People Message-ID: Perhaps, what I should say, due to all of the reaction about people being rude, is this: It is absolutely impossible for anybody else in the whole world, and the entire universe for that matter, to be rude; absoluely impossible. The only people that are rude, and can ever possibly be rude, are Americans. Does that make things perfectly clear? Opps, I are one. Chuk Palm Desert, CA. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/7ae8ab62/attachment.htm From coalbunny at wyoming.com Mon Nov 27 00:10:47 2006 From: coalbunny at wyoming.com (coalbunny) Date: Mon Nov 27 00:11:01 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Rude People In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <456A1EF7.4010703@wyoming.com> Well. With that said.... Hdchucker@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps, what I should say, due to all of the reaction about people > being rude, is this: > > It is absolutely impossible for anybody else in the whole world, and > the entire universe for that matter, to be rude; absoluely impossible. > > The only people that are rude, and can ever possibly be rude, are > Americans. > > Does that make things perfectly clear? > > Opps, I are one. > > Chuk > Palm Desert, CA. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/a6e1cb2b/attachment.htm From prporter1 at aim.com Mon Nov 27 00:25:58 2006 From: prporter1 at aim.com (prporter1@aim.com) Date: Mon Nov 27 00:26:19 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Rude People In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8DFC95CA47F74-B2C-10F40@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> Yes Chuk, you are rude. Please don't include the rest in your elite little club. -----Original Message----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rude People Perhaps, what I should say, due to all of the reaction about people being rude, is this: It is absolutely impossible for anybody else in the whole world, and the entire universe for that matter, to be rude; absoluely impossible. The only people that are rude, and can ever possibly be rude, are Americans. Does that make things perfectly clear? Opps, I are one. Chuk Palm Desert, CA. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/8974139c/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 03:37:40 2006 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Mon Nov 27 03:37:55 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Rude People In-Reply-To: <8C8DFC95CA47F74-B2C-10F40@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20061127023740.38079.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> A quote from the book "Man's Search for Meaning" by Viktor E. Frankl should put the cherry on this one. "There are two races of men in this world, but only these two--the "race" of the decent man and the "race" of the indecent man. Both are found EVERYWHERE and they penetrate ALL groups of society." We can only truly be responsible for our own behavior and should not speak gratuitously of the possible behavior of others. Aaaahhhhhh, this list is absolutely wonderful if for no other reason than its ability to act as a catalyst for reflection and sharing around the world. I love it. Thanks to all who take part! Nissa --- prporter1@aim.com wrote: > Yes Chuk, you are rude. Please don't include the > rest in your elite little club. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hdchucker@aol.com > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rude People > > > Perhaps, what I should say, due to all of the > reaction about people being rude, is this: > > It is absolutely impossible for anybody else in the > whole world, and the entire universe for that > matter, to be rude; absoluely impossible. > > The only people that are rude, and can ever possibly > be rude, are Americans. > > Does that make things perfectly clear? > > Opps, I are one. > > Chuk > Palm Desert, CA. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of > storage and industry-leading spam and email virus > protection. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From svest at mindspring.com Mon Nov 27 05:12:59 2006 From: svest at mindspring.com (Steven W. Vest) Date: Mon Nov 27 06:11:11 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Rude People In-Reply-To: <20061127023740.38079.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061127023740.38079.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1164600779.20423.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thank you for bringing sanity to these posts. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Nissa Nystrom Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rude People Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:37:40 -0800 (PST) Size: 4897 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061126/3078468a/attachment.eml From manager at sainthelenabank.com Mon Nov 27 09:46:40 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Mon Nov 27 09:47:39 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding In-Reply-To: <45673565.5070001@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <010301c71200$91fc27b0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> "A charabanc (pronounced sha-ra-bang) is a kind of open-topped bus common in Britain during the early part of the 20th century. It was especially popular for "works outings" to the country or the seaside that businesses would hold once a year. The name derives from the French char ? bancs ("carriage with wooden benches"), where it originated in the early 19th century." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charabanc). I've not experienced the charabanc ride personally but I'm told it is one of the most delightful ways to see the island. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Reino Bauer Sent: 24 November 2006 18:10 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding Hi, am just back from voyage 91 on the RMS. Interesting reading for a non islander were the two weekly newspapers. They bring the police report from the week passed. And there were speeding tickets mentioned. Hard to believe when we saw the roads and were driven around by Colin in his cheribam (no idea how to spell that). Another one was the lead story on one of the papers titled in large letters "Congestion in Jamestown". It happened for a couple of hours when the 50+ vehicles were offloaded that the RMS had brought down from the UK and brought the capitals activity almost to a standstill. We wondered whether a congestion charge was in the offing. :-) Reino. nealicc@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >Not a lot, 20 mph limit as I remember, but a hell of a nice experience. > > > > >>-- Original Message -- >>To: list@sthelena.se >>Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen >>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:24:51 -0500 >>From: prporter1@aim.com >>Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> >> >>Is there that much speeding traffic on the Island? >> >> >> has notified the sender that this message has been received. __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/eb86057a/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Mon Nov 27 09:54:29 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Mon Nov 27 09:55:31 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010e01c71201$a993c710$2d0b000a@shgbank45> It always interests me that the people who want the island to remain "frozen in time" are not themselves actually planning to live here. Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, the island will continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and uninhabitable) by the middle of the century. We've had that debate - let's move on. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Hdchucker@aol.com Sent: 25 November 2006 02:14 To: list@sthelena.se Cc: philo40@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) There is a say that goes something like this: "Beware of wishing for something, because you might just get it." Wish for an airport to be built, on St. Helena, and you might just get it, and all of the problems that will go along with it. The building of the airport will open St. Helena to the rest of the world; and, provide easy access to many more people than you most likely want. At present it is very difficult to get to St. Helena, and what that has accomplished is the security of St. Helena against modern civilization, and the many types of pollution that comes along with it. Make it so that a person could go there over a three day weekend from work and it could be disastrous to St. Helena and what is so precious about the place. Along with an airport, will come the pressure to build hotels to house the visitors. As more people begin to go there, there will be more and more vehicle's on the roads of St. Helena simply because the visitors will want transportation provided so that they can go out and see the many attractions of the island. The idea of a Golf Course will be pursued and then there will be one. One thing I certainly believe, it is hard to resist those pursuing the Pot of Gold. When the prospect of making money presents itself, there are those who will invest money into making that happen. They will do that because they realize the Pot of Gold that lies at the end of that rainbow, and they will pull out almost all stops in order to achieve their objectives. Few people on the other side are going to be able to do a whole lot about it, because they are not going to make money by offering resistance, they will be losing money. And, in the case of my desert, and St. Helena Island, the people who live here already had our Pot of Gold. I just hope they realize it. I am sure that most people who live on St. Helena realize that living there is not a real easy thing to do. But, most of the people are able to provide for themselves and exist there. While having more people go there will boost the economy, the trade off will be the loss of the very reasons that make the island such a jewel, and such a great place to be. Turn St. Helena into a popular tourist attraction and the islander's will lose the very thing that makes living there so rewarding. To my way of thinking, what makes St. Helena so precious is that it is a place that is frozen in time, and its scenery is completely uncluttered. As I understand it, there are not many more people living there than there was in Napoleon's day. St. Helena's air is clear; its roads are not terribly congested; and, your views about the island are not damaged by man-built structures that destroy the beauty of those vistas. I live in a desert community, and my wife and I have been living here for over 30 years in the same home. When we got here the place was almost wide open and I was very thankful that we had found a place that was so scenic and pure. And, I think the word "pure" is a great way to explain things back then. Needless to say, in the past 30 years the influence of "progress" has turned our community into something that isn't much different from where we moved from those 30 years ago, in order to get away from. Today, we have to drive a ways to get back to what we had back then. But, at least we are still able to do so. Where are people going to drive to on St. Helena? Another thing I must stress, do not think that you are going to be able to resist this pursuit of the Pot of Gold that investors will pursue. Money will change hands to grease the movement, and political support will be offered with connections attached. One hand will wash the other. Soon, there could very well be a hotel sitting next to Napoleon's gravesite in the valley. How about a Golf Course across the street from Longwood? Or, perhaps an amusement park? Chuk __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/aee0bfa0/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Mon Nov 27 10:13:31 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Mon Nov 27 10:14:32 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <004401c7119a$95ee32c0$0a00000a@Rob> Message-ID: <012a01c71204$52242c60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I have to say that the American tourists I have encountered, both here and elsewhere, have been charming. We also get a lot of visiting US naval vessels and the crew are also delightful people to have around. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of RobG Sent: 26 November 2006 20:36 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Wahaha, I see the funny side of what Chuk (and John V) said and how easily this could all be misinterpreted. I KNOW from past experience AND from friends in the tourism industry - a bus-load of American tourists often appear and come across as "brash" and "rude" - my gawd, I wish I had the time right now to share some of the stories and expressions I've encountered! But Rolf, your disection of what John V said is JUST that too... "it only means that these are Americans, and that they are rude too". John V clearly suggests that they ARE rude, but NOT necessarily the "only" rude people on this planet - afterall, John V is now living in the American heartland and should know better. Lucky for John V, I still think he has gallons of South African blood left in him :-)) Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolf Weijburg To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) John, as a writer you should be able to understand that "..a whole batch of very rude Americans.."doesn't mean that Americans are the only rude people. Nor does it mean that all Americans are rude. As far as I understand it only means that these are Americans and that they are rude too. What's wrong with that? Rolf ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Chuk, why did you single out Americans as rude people? Are they the only rude people you know? John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From what I can see, the stage would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude American's getting off the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? Ah yes, the end of tranquility. Hope all is well Chuk _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 374 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/2006 __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/19b7aee5/attachment-0001.htm From sayhello at freemail.hu Mon Nov 27 10:16:06 2006 From: sayhello at freemail.hu (deskpro) Date: Mon Nov 27 10:16:33 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <010e01c71201$a993c710$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: l am agree Liz "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" ?rta: > It always interests me that the people who want the island to remain "frozen > in time" are not themselves actually planning to live here. > > Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, the island will > continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and uninhabitable) by the > middle of the century. We've had that debate - let's move on. > > JT > > > > _____ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Hdchucker@aol.com > Sent: 25 November 2006 02:14 > To: list@sthelena.se > Cc: philo40@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) > > > There is a say that goes something like this: "Beware of wishing for > something, because you might just get it." > > Wish for an airport to be built, on St. Helena, and you might just get it, > and all of the problems that will go along with it. The building of the > airport will open St. Helena to the rest of the world; and, provide easy > access to many more people than you most likely want. At present it is very > difficult to get to St. Helena, and what that has accomplished is the > security of St. Helena against modern civilization, and the many types of > pollution that comes along with it. Make it so that a person could go there > over a three day weekend from work and it could be disastrous to St. Helena > and what is so precious about the place. > > Along with an airport, will come the pressure to build hotels to house the > visitors. As more people begin to go there, there will be more and more > vehicle's on the roads of St. Helena simply because the visitors will want > transportation provided so that they can go out and see the many attractions > of the island. The idea of a Golf Course will be pursued and then there > will be one. One thing I certainly believe, it is hard to resist those > pursuing the Pot of Gold. > > When the prospect of making money presents itself, there are those who will > invest money into making that happen. They will do that because they > realize the Pot of Gold that lies at the end of that rainbow, and they will > pull out almost all stops in order to achieve their objectives. Few people > on the other side are going to be able to do a whole lot about it, because > they are not going to make money by offering resistance, they will be losing > money. And, in the case of my desert, and St. Helena Island, the people who > live here already had our Pot of Gold. I just hope they realize it. > > I am sure that most people who live on St. Helena realize that living there > is not a real easy thing to do. But, most of the people are able to provide > for themselves and exist there. While having more people go there will > boost the economy, the trade off will be the loss of the very reasons that > make the island such a jewel, and such a great place to be. Turn St. Helena > into a popular tourist attraction and the islander's will lose the very > thing that makes living there so rewarding. > > To my way of thinking, what makes St. Helena so precious is that it is a > place that is frozen in time, and its scenery is completely uncluttered. As > I understand it, there are not many more people living there than there was > in Napoleon's day. St. Helena's air is clear; its roads are not terribly > congested; and, your views about the island are not damaged by man-built > structures that destroy the beauty of those vistas. > > I live in a desert community, and my wife and I have been living here for > over 30 years in the same home. When we got here the place was almost wide > open and I was very thankful that we had found a place that was so scenic > and pure. And, I think the word "pure" is a great way to explain things > back then. Needless to say, in the past 30 years the influence of > "progress" has turned our community into something that isn't much different > from where we moved from those 30 years ago, in order to get away from. > Today, we have to drive a ways to get back to what we had back then. But, > at least we are still able to do so. Where are people going to drive to on > St. Helena? > > Another thing I must stress, do not think that you are going to be able to > resist this pursuit of the Pot of Gold that investors will pursue. Money > will change hands to grease the movement, and political support will be > offered with connections attached. One hand will wash the other. Soon, > there could very well be a hotel sitting next to Napoleon's gravesite in the > valley. How about a Golf Course across the street from Longwood? Or, > perhaps an amusement park? > > Chuk > > > __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________ Mesek?nyvek 30% kedvezm?nnyel! Nyitott K?nyvek ?jszak?ja a M?ra K?nyvkiad?val a Bookline-on november 29-30-?n! http://www.bookline.hu/control/news?newsid=311&affiliate=frenykkar3244 From joocee at btopenworld.com Mon Nov 27 10:51:20 2006 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Mon Nov 27 10:30:05 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding References: <010301c71200$91fc27b0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <004f01c71209$9992f860$2698fea9@juliet> The charabanc is a real experience- and to have Colin Corker (the owner) as chauffeur and guide adds to that experience - the vehicle is noisy, but what do you expect from such an antique motor- it negoiated all those corkscrews on the roads ,into and out of Jamestown with only the odd protesting grunt. We saw so many lovely spots - Sane valley, with Napoleons tomb - being my favourite, so quiet and we all found ourselves whispering to maintain the hush - the wild flowers that we struggle to grow in our suburban gardens. Stroking the islands oldest resident under his chin - was a privilege - Johnathan, the seychelles tortoise at Plantation house - and I could go on - there are so many treasured memories of my visit in October - but the charabanc is is an unique way to se the interior of this very special island - thank you Colin for the treat. Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding "A charabanc (pronounced sha-ra-bang) is a kind of open-topped bus common in Britain during the early part of the 20th century. It was especially popular for "works outings" to the country or the seaside that businesses would hold once a year. The name derives from the French char ? bancs ("carriage with wooden benches"), where it originated in the early 19th century." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charabanc). I've not experienced the charabanc ride personally but I'm told it is one of the most delightful ways to see the island. JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Reino Bauer Sent: 24 November 2006 18:10 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding Hi, am just back from voyage 91 on the RMS. Interesting reading for a non islander were the two weekly newspapers. They bring the police report from the week passed. And there were speeding tickets mentioned. Hard to believe when we saw the roads and were driven around by Colin in his cheribam (no idea how to spell that). Another one was the lead story on one of the papers titled in large letters "Congestion in Jamestown". It happened for a couple of hours when the 50+ vehicles were offloaded that the RMS had brought down from the UK and brought the capitals activity almost to a standstill. We wondered whether a congestion charge was in the offing. :-) Reino. nealicc@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >Not a lot, 20 mph limit as I remember, but a hell of a nice experience. > > > > >>-- Original Message -- >>To: list@sthelena.se >>Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen >>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:24:51 -0500 >>From: prporter1@aim.com >>Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> >> >>Is there that much speeding traffic on the Island? >> >> >> has notified the sender that this message has been received. __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/f1725686/attachment.htm From joocee at btopenworld.com Mon Nov 27 10:56:44 2006 From: joocee at btopenworld.com (JULIET COTTAM) Date: Mon Nov 27 10:35:32 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: <012a01c71204$52242c60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <006c01c7120a$5aa23020$2698fea9@juliet> Can we move on from the 'rude American' debate - I have felt over the weekend, if this continues, I will cancel my subscription to the site ! I am only interested in the future of St. Helena. but wasn't it one of those 'rude Americans' that initated the recent shortwave radio connection with Japan, Sweden, UK, etc. so recently. I shared a table with Robert on the RMS. so know that he did this almost totally unsponsored, paid his own way and provided the eqipment - well done, Robert, and I am sure all lot of the Saints would say echo that sentiment. Juliet. ----- Original Message -----liet. From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I have to say that the American tourists I have encountered, both here and elsewhere, have been charming. We also get a lot of visiting US naval vessels and the crew are also delightful people to have around. JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of RobG Sent: 26 November 2006 20:36 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Wahaha, I see the funny side of what Chuk (and John V) said and how easily this could all be misinterpreted. I KNOW from past experience AND from friends in the tourism industry - a bus-load of American tourists often appear and come across as "brash" and "rude" - my gawd, I wish I had the time right now to share some of the stories and expressions I've encountered! But Rolf, your disection of what John V said is JUST that too... "it only means that these are Americans, and that they are rude too". John V clearly suggests that they ARE rude, but NOT necessarily the "only" rude people on this planet - afterall, John V is now living in the American heartland and should know better. Lucky for John V, I still think he has gallons of South African blood left in him :-)) Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolf Weijburg To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) John, as a writer you should be able to understand that "..a whole batch of very rude Americans.."doesn't mean that Americans are the only rude people. Nor does it mean that all Americans are rude. As far as I understand it only means that these are Americans and that they are rude too. What's wrong with that? Rolf ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Chuk, why did you single out Americans as rude people? Are they the only rude people you know? John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From what I can see, the stage would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude American's getting off the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? Ah yes, the end of tranquility. Hope all is well Chuk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 374 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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A nice group of people gathered on the RMS and on the island, tourists and Saints. One of the most discussed issues was obviously the airport question. It is clear, those like me, staying on SH for a week, anyway temporily for that matter, like the remotness and tranquility of the place. It is different for those staying a long time or for ever. Nowadays it is not conceivable anymore to not have an easier access to the island to get there and from. So the opinions are different when you talk to "locals" or visitors. And who has the main word to say? The question of developping tourism comes second IMHO. It is questionable for me whether it has to be dealt with as a big package, i.e. airport, 5 star hotel, golf ressort and so on, or on a step by step basis, like organic growing. The investment would be huge and the return on the lot may come too late. The risk for some time is then to have an underutilised hotel and a golf course that sees more lawn mowers than players. All degrading slowly. However the airport will come and has to be first. Why not build the airport just at the necessary size to be accessible from the most convenient place, such as Namibia? ( The resistance (if there really is one) to open up Ascension Island more does not fit anymore in todays global situation either.) Once the access to SH has been made easier then tourism can develop at its own pace. Is there sufficient demand then the interest to invest in hotels etc will come automatically. My 2 (Euro) cents. And go there as soon as possible anyway. Reino. Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > It always interests me that the people who want the island to remain > "/frozen in time/" are not themselves actually planning to live here. > > Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, the island will > continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and uninhabitable) by > the middle of the century. We've had that debate - let's move on. > > JT > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *Hdchucker@aol.com > *Sent:* 25 November 2006 02:14 > *To:* list@sthelena.se > *Cc:* philo40@hotmail.com > *Subject:* Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) > > There is a say that goes something like this: "Beware of wishing for > something, because you might just get it." > > Wish for an airport to be built, on St. Helena, and you might just get > it, and all of the problems that will go along with it. The building > of the airport will open St. Helena to the rest of the world; and, > provide easy access to many more people than you most likely want. At > present it is very difficult to get to St. Helena, and what that has > accomplished is the security of St. Helena against modern > civilization, and the many types of pollution that comes along with > it. Make it so that a person could go there over a three day weekend > from work and it could be disastrous to St. Helena and what is so > precious about the place. > > Along with an airport, will come the pressure to build hotels to house > the visitors. As more people begin to go there, there will be more > and more vehicle's on the roads of St. Helena simply because the > visitors will want transportation provided so that they can go out and > see the many attractions of the island. The idea of a Golf Course > will be pursued and then there will be one. One thing I certainly > believe, it is hard to resist those pursuing the Pot of Gold. > > When the prospect of making money presents itself, there are those who > will invest money into making that happen. They will do that because > they realize the Pot of Gold that lies at the end of that rainbow, and > they will pull out almost all stops in order to achieve their > objectives. Few people on the other side are going to be able to do a > whole lot about it, because they are not going to make money by > offering resistance, they will be losing money. And, in the case of > my desert, and St. Helena Island, the people who live here already had > our Pot of Gold. I just hope they realize it. > > I am sure that most people who live on St. Helena realize that living > there is not a real easy thing to do. But, most of the people are > able to provide for themselves and exist there. While having more > people go there will boost the economy, the trade off will be the loss > of the very reasons that make the island such a jewel, and such a > great place to be. Turn St. Helena into a popular tourist attraction > and the islander's will lose the very thing that makes living there so > rewarding. > > To my way of thinking, what makes St. Helena so precious is that it is > a place that is frozen in time, and its scenery is completely > uncluttered. As I understand it, there are not many more people > living there than there was in Napoleon's day. St. Helena's air is > clear; its roads are not terribly congested; and, your views about the > island are not damaged by man-built structures that destroy the beauty > of those vistas. > > I live in a desert community, and my wife and I have been living here > for over 30 years in the same home. When we got here the place was > almost wide open and I was very thankful that we had found a place > that was so scenic and pure. And, I think the word "pure" is a great > way to explain things back then. Needless to say, in the past 30 > years the influence of "progress" has turned our community into > something that isn't much different from where we moved from those 30 > years ago, in order to get away from. Today, we have to drive a ways > to get back to what we had back then. But, at least we are still able > to do so. Where are people going to drive to on St. Helena? > > Another thing I must stress, do not think that you are going to be > able to resist this pursuit of the Pot of Gold that investors will > pursue. Money will change hands to grease the movement, and political > support will be offered with connections attached. One hand will wash > the other. Soon, there could very well be a hotel sitting next to > Napoleon's gravesite in the valley. How about a Golf Course across > the street from Longwood? Or, perhaps an amusement park? > > Chuk > > > __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/9618a38a/attachment.htm From Reino.Bauer at t-online.de Mon Nov 27 10:48:10 2006 From: Reino.Bauer at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Mon Nov 27 10:48:26 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding In-Reply-To: <010301c71200$91fc27b0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <010301c71200$91fc27b0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <456AB45A.6050008@bigfoot.com> Thanks for that, JT. Once explained it is so easy. Reino. Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > "A charabanc (pronounced sha-ra-bang) is a kind of open-topped bus > common in Britain during the early part of the 20th century. It was > especially popular for "works outings" to the country or the seaside > that businesses would hold once a year. The name derives from the > French char ? bancs ("carriage with wooden benches"), where it > originated in the early 19th century." > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charabanc). > > I've not experienced the charabanc ride personally but I'm told it is > one of the most delightful ways to see the island. > > JT > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] *On > Behalf Of *Reino Bauer > *Sent:* 24 November 2006 18:10 > *To:* All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > *Subject:* Re: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding > > Hi, am just back from voyage 91 on the RMS. Interesting reading for a > non islander were the two weekly newspapers. They bring the police > report from the week passed. And there were speeding tickets mentioned. > Hard to believe when we saw the roads and were driven around by Colin in > his cheribam (no idea how to spell that). > > Another one was the lead story on one of the papers titled in large > letters "Congestion in Jamestown". It happened for a couple of hours > when the 50+ vehicles were offloaded that the RMS had brought down from > the UK and brought the capitals activity almost to a standstill. We > wondered whether a congestion charge was in the offing. :-) > > Reino. > > nealicc@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > > >Not a lot, 20 mph limit as I remember, but a hell of a nice experience. > > > > > > > > > >>-- Original Message -- > >>To: list@sthelena.se > >>Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen > >>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:24:51 -0500 > >>From: prporter1@aim.com > >>Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > >>> > >> > >> > >>Is there that much speeding traffic on the Island? > >> > >> > >> > > has notified the sender that this > message has been received. > > > > __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/d03e37ff/attachment.htm From john.robertson at fwag.org.uk Mon Nov 27 11:51:43 2006 From: john.robertson at fwag.org.uk (John Robertson) Date: Mon Nov 27 11:54:12 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Orkney Island View Message-ID: <001701c71212$09aef240$0605a8c0@John> Hi All Have read the emails here for some time and enjoy. Airport? Influx of tourists? Loss of a way of life? Well here's the Orkney story. Farming has had the squeeze on it for so long that there's not a lot left. Sons no longer take over from dads but rather enter professions elsewhere. Fishing? The EU has seen to that and there are virtually no boats left going out from Orkney - there were two dozen fifteen years ago and two hundred fifty years ago. Visitors? Twenty years ago a few hippies came up annually and most left before the end of the first winter. Those that stayed were mostly good and brought new blood as well as new ideas. Things have grown from there. The ferry service became much cheaper (subsidised) and boats bigger and bigger. shorter crossing times and better roads up to the ferry departure points in Scotland. people came for holidays and kept coming and kept coming. Tourism now provides 70% of our income. They eat our (superb) local produce and then want more when they go home again. This has helped Orkney's processing industries of food grow and we export less raw material and more finished goods (means more cash stays here). Restaurants sprouted up and there are jobs all over. Farmers started Bed and Breakfast industries which have replaced lost income from farming. Fishermen catch scallops, lobsters, crabs and process them instead of sending off huge volumes of unprocessed cheap white fish. Local cheese and local beer big business with the proceeds going into local hands. Tours of the isles, thriving jewerly businesses. knitwear, pottery. and loads more I cant remember at the minute. Oh yes - 7 ex-fishing boats taking tourist divers out to see our unspoilt waters. However, more and more tourists move here and buy a house. the prices have been driven up and locals struggle to compete with English hose prices as much higher bidders come up here well armed with cash. Often it is not people in their 50s onwards who move here so schools and pubs benefit less and there is a bigger strain on our hospitals. Some islands have no Orkney people left on them which seems a bit weird to a 7 generation islanders like me. Some incomers are very vocal and a pain. but so are some islanders! Do we like it? Well, we loved our close community before (key always in the car and never in the front door, kids free to knock on any door and ask for juice and biscuits, safe to go home from the pub in any condition without the possibility of being set upon and more). but we are happy now that BECAUSE we have adapted we STILL HAVE a community - albeit a changed one that has taken in good and bad. if you are standing still you are really going backwards since progress moves on all around. Freeze framed society - go to Madame Toussaint's for that one.... anyway there's my tupence worth!! jr Dr. John Robertson Viking Heaths Project Officer Orkney Farming and Wildlife Advisory Group (FWAG) 54 - 56 Junction Road Kirkwall Orkney Islands KW15 1AW Tel: 01856 874974 Fax: 01856 875809 www.fwag.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/dc1fa957/attachment-0001.htm From lizaevans at aol.com Mon Nov 27 12:46:18 2006 From: lizaevans at aol.com (lizaevans@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 27 12:46:38 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <200611270937.kAR9bJiS016226@rex.kulturservern.se> References: <200611270937.kAR9bJiS016226@rex.kulturservern.se> Message-ID: <8C8E030C940D364-C60-784@WEBMAIL-MB21.sysops.aol.com> Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity of the island. -----Original Message----- From: list-request@sthelena.se To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 9.37AM Subject: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 Send List mailing list submissions to list@sthelena.se To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to list-request@sthelena.se You can reach the person managing the list at list-owner@sthelena.se When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) (deskpro) 2. Re: Re:Speeding (JULIET COTTAM) 3. Re: (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) (JULIET COTTAM) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:16:06 +0100 (CET) From: deskpro Subject: RE: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic" Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2 l am agree Liz "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" ?rta: > It always interests me that the people who want the island to remain "frozen > in time" are not themselves actually planning to live here. > > Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, the island will > continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and uninhabitable) by the > middle of the century. We've had that debate - let's move on. > > JT > > > > _____ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Hdchucker@aol.com > Sent: 25 November 2006 02:14 > To: list@sthelena.se > Cc: philo40@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) > > > There is a say that goes something like this: "Beware of wishing for > something, because you might just get it." > > Wish for an airport to be built, on St. Helena, and you might just get it, > and all of the problems that will go along with it. The building of the > airport will open St. Helena to the rest of the world; and, provide easy > access to many more people than you most likely want. At present it is very > difficult to get to St. Helena, and what that has accomplished is the > security of St. Helena against modern civilization, and the many types of > pollution that comes along with it. Make it so that a person could go there > over a three day weekend from work and it could be disastrous to St. Helena > and what is so precious about the place. > > Along with an airport, will come the pressure to build hotels to house the > visitors. As more people begin to go there, there will be more and more > vehicle's on the roads of St. Helena simply because the visitors will want > transportation provided so that they can go out and see the many attractions > of the island. The idea of a Golf Course will be pursued and then there > will be one. One thing I certainly believe, it is hard to resist those > pursuing the Pot of Gold. > > When the prospect of making money presents itself, there are those who will > invest money into making that happen. They will do that because they > realize the Pot of Gold that lies at the end of that rainbow, and they will > pull out almost all stops in order to achieve their objectives. Few people > on the other side are going to be able to do a whole lot about it, because > they are not going to make money by offering resistance, they will be losing > money. And, in the case of my desert, and St. Helena Island, the people who > live here already had our Pot of Gold. I just hope they realize it. > > I am sure that most people who live on St. Helena realize that living there > is not a real easy thing to do. But, most of the people are able to provide > for themselves and exist there. While having more people go there will > boost the economy, the trade off will be the loss of the very reasons that > make the island such a jewel, and such a great place to be. Turn St. Helena > into a popular tourist attraction and the islander's will lose the very > thing that makes living there so rewarding. > > To my way of thinking, what makes St. Helena so precious is that it is a > place that is frozen in time, and its scenery is completely uncluttered. As > I understand it, there are not many more people living there than there was > in Napoleon's day. St. Helena's air is clear; its roads are not terribly > congested; and, your views about the island are not damaged by man-built > structures that destroy the beauty of those vistas. > > I live in a desert community, and my wife and I have been living here for > over 30 years in the same home. When we got here the place was almost wide > open and I was very thankful that we had found a place that was so scenic > and pure. And, I think the word "pure" is a great way to explain things > back then. Needless to say, in the past 30 years the influence of > "progress" has turned our community into something that isn't much different > from where we moved from those 30 years ago, in order to get away from. > Today, we have to drive a ways to get back to what we had back then. But, > at least we are still able to do so. Where are people going to drive to on > St. Helena? > > Another thing I must stress, do not think that you are going to be able to > resist this pursuit of the Pot of Gold that investors will pursue. Money > will change hands to grease the movement, and political support will be > offered with connections attached. One hand will wash the other. Soon, > there could very well be a hotel sitting next to Napoleon's gravesite in the > valley. How about a Golf Course across the street from Longwood? Or, > perhaps an amusement park? > > Chuk > > > __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________ Mesek?nyvek 30% kedvezm?nnyel! Nyitott K?nyvek ?jszak?ja a M?ra K?nyvkiad?val a Bookline-on november 29-30-?n! http://www.bookline.hu/control/news?newsid=311&affiliate=frenykkar3244 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:51:20 -0000 From: "JULIET COTTAM" Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" Message-ID: <004f01c71209$9992f860$2698fea9@juliet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The charabanc is a real experience- and to have Colin Corker (the owner) as chauffeur and guide adds to that experience - the vehicle is noisy, but what do you expect from such an antique motor- it negoiated all those corkscrews on the roads ,into and out of Jamestown with only the odd protesting grunt. We saw so many lovely spots - Sane valley, with Napoleons tomb - being my favourite, so quiet and we all found ourselves whispering to maintain the hush - the wild flowers that we struggle to grow in our suburban gardens. Stroking the islands oldest resident under his chin - was a privilege - Johnathan, the seychelles tortoise at Plantation house - and I could go on - there are so many treasured memories of my visit in October - but the charabanc is is an unique way to se the interior of this very special island - thank you Colin for the treat. Juliet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding "A charabanc (pronounced sha-ra-bang) is a kind of open-topped bus common in Britain during the early part of the 20th century. It was especially popular for "works outings" to the country or the seaside that businesses would hold once a year. The name derives from the French char ? bancs ("carriage with wooden benches"), where it originated in the early 19th century." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charabanc). I've not experienced the charabanc ride personally but I'm told it is one of the most delightful ways to see the island. JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Reino Bauer Sent: 24 November 2006 18:10 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding Hi, am just back from voyage 91 on the RMS. Interesting reading for a non islander were the two weekly newspapers. They bring the police report from the week passed. And there were speeding tickets mentioned. Hard to believe when we saw the roads and were driven around by Colin in his cheribam (no idea how to spell that). Another one was the lead story on one of the papers titled in large letters "Congestion in Jamestown". It happened for a couple of hours when the 50+ vehicles were offloaded that the RMS had brought down from the UK and brought the capitals activity almost to a standstill. We wondered whether a congestion charge was in the offing. :-) Reino. nealicc@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >Not a lot, 20 mph limit as I remember, but a hell of a nice experience. > > > > >>-- Original Message -- >>To: list@sthelena.se >>Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen >>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:24:51 -0500 >>From: prporter1@aim.com >>Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> >> >>Is there that much speeding traffic on the Island? >> >> >> has notified the sender that this message has been received. __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/f1725686/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:56:44 -0000 From: "JULIET COTTAM" Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" Message-ID: <006c01c7120a$5aa23020$2698fea9@juliet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can we move on from the 'rude American' debate - I have felt over the weekend, if this continues, I will cancel my subscription to the site ! I am only interested in the future of St. Helena. but wasn't it one of those 'rude Americans' that initated the recent shortwave radio connection with Japan, Sweden, UK, etc. so recently. I shared a table with Robert on the RMS. so know that he did this almost totally unsponsored, paid his own way and provided the eqipment - well done, Robert, and I am sure all lot of the Saints would say echo that sentiment. Juliet. ----- Original Message -----liet. From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I have to say that the American tourists I have encountered, both here and elsewhere, have been charming. We also get a lot of visiting US naval vessels and the crew are also delightful people to have around. JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of RobG Sent: 26 November 2006 20:36 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Wahaha, I see the funny side of what Chuk (and John V) said and how easily this could all be misinterpreted. I KNOW from past experience AND from friends in the tourism industry - a bus-load of American tourists often appear and come across as "brash" and "rude" - my gawd, I wish I had the time right now to share some of the stories and expressions I've encountered! But Rolf, your disection of what John V said is JUST that too... "it only means that these are Americans, and that they are rude too". John V clearly suggests that they ARE rude, but NOT necessarily the "only" rude people on this planet - afterall, John V is now living in the American heartland and should know better. Lucky for John V, I still think he has gallons of South African blood left in him :-)) Rob G ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolf Weijburg To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) John, as a writer you should be able to understand that "..a whole batch of very rude Americans.."doesn't mean that Americans are the only rude people. Nor does it mean that all Americans are rude. As far as I understand it only means that these are Americans and that they are rude too. What's wrong with that? Rolf ----- Original Message ----- From: John and June Vigor To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Chuk, why did you single out Americans as rude people? Are they the only rude people you know? John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. Trump, I would be waiting idly by for someone else to build the airport, and then possibly wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. Then, I would pounce. A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in the world; which, there are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise ships to come to, and with 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go and with a controlling government that would love to get some revenue out of the island instead of having it the other way around; which would throw the doors wide open to welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From what I can see, the stage would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude American's getting off the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/a8973915/attachment-0001.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Mon Nov 27 13:22:52 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Mon Nov 27 13:23:50 2006 Subject: FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 Message-ID: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat unrealistic. In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, largely because that which made sense before the airport was announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, everyone here is a newcomer! JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of lizaevans@aol.com Sent: 27 November 2006 11:46 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity of the island. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/299facf8/attachment.htm From cplowe at mchsi.com Mon Nov 27 14:21:57 2006 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Mon Nov 27 14:22:12 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: Message-ID: <000601c71227$03bfbb70$6801a8c0@Pam> I have been watching with amusement as those of us who do not live there give our opinions about what is best for the island. I would hate to see St. Helena wither from lack of, or become tawdry from over done development. I trust wise heads like you John and others who live there, have the best interest of the island at heart, and an understanding of what is worth preserving to guide the developmental trust. I for one would love to visit but have been daunted by the prospect of the landing off the mail boat. Hope to see you all in St Helena. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "deskpro" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:16 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) >l am agree > > Liz > > "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" ?rta: > >> It always interests me that the people who want the island to > remain "frozen >> in time" are not themselves actually planning to live here. >> >> Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, the island will >> continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and uninhabitable) > by the >> middle of the century. We've had that debate - let's move on. >> >> JT >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > On Behalf >> Of Hdchucker@aol.com >> Sent: 25 November 2006 02:14 >> To: list@sthelena.se >> Cc: philo40@hotmail.com >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) >> >> >> There is a say that goes something like this: "Beware of wishing for >> something, because you might just get it." >> >> Wish for an airport to be built, on St. Helena, and you might just get > it, >> and all of the problems that will go along with it. The building of the >> airport will open St. Helena to the rest of the world; and, provide easy >> access to many more people than you most likely want. At present it > is very >> difficult to get to St. Helena, and what that has accomplished is the >> security of St. Helena against modern civilization, and the many types > of >> pollution that comes along with it. Make it so that a person could go > there >> over a three day weekend from work and it could be disastrous to St. > Helena >> and what is so precious about the place. >> >> Along with an airport, will come the pressure to build hotels to house > the >> visitors. As more people begin to go there, there will be more and > more >> vehicle's on the roads of St. Helena simply because the visitors will > want >> transportation provided so that they can go out and see the many > attractions >> of the island. The idea of a Golf Course will be pursued and then > there >> will be one. One thing I certainly believe, it is hard to resist those >> pursuing the Pot of Gold. >> >> When the prospect of making money presents itself, there are those > who will >> invest money into making that happen. They will do that because > they >> realize the Pot of Gold that lies at the end of that rainbow, and they > will >> pull out almost all stops in order to achieve their objectives. Few > people >> on the other side are going to be able to do a whole lot about it, > because >> they are not going to make money by offering resistance, they will be > losing >> money. And, in the case of my desert, and St. Helena Island, the > people who >> live here already had our Pot of Gold. I just hope they realize it. >> >> I am sure that most people who live on St. Helena realize that living > there >> is not a real easy thing to do. But, most of the people are able to > provide >> for themselves and exist there. While having more people go there > will >> boost the economy, the trade off will be the loss of the very reasons > that >> make the island such a jewel, and such a great place to be. Turn St. > Helena >> into a popular tourist attraction and the islander's will lose the very >> thing that makes living there so rewarding. >> >> To my way of thinking, what makes St. Helena so precious is that it is > a >> place that is frozen in time, and its scenery is completely uncluttered. > As >> I understand it, there are not many more people living there than > there was >> in Napoleon's day. St. Helena's air is clear; its roads are not terribly >> congested; and, your views about the island are not damaged by > man-built >> structures that destroy the beauty of those vistas. >> >> I live in a desert community, and my wife and I have been living here > for >> over 30 years in the same home. When we got here the place was > almost wide >> open and I was very thankful that we had found a place that was so > scenic >> and pure. And, I think the word "pure" is a great way to explain > things >> back then. Needless to say, in the past 30 years the influence of >> "progress" has turned our community into something that isn't much > different >> from where we moved from those 30 years ago, in order to get away > from. >> Today, we have to drive a ways to get back to what we had back > then. But, >> at least we are still able to do so. Where are people going to drive > to on >> St. Helena? >> >> Another thing I must stress, do not think that you are going to be > able to >> resist this pursuit of the Pot of Gold that investors will pursue. Money >> will change hands to grease the movement, and political support will > be >> offered with connections attached. One hand will wash the other. > Soon, >> there could very well be a hotel sitting next to Napoleon's gravesite > in the >> valley. How about a Golf Course across the street from Longwood? > Or, >> perhaps an amusement park? >> >> Chuk >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Mesek?nyvek 30% kedvezm?nnyel! Nyitott K?nyvek ?jszak?ja a M?ra > K?nyvkiad?val a Bookline-on november 29-30-?n! > http://www.bookline.hu/control/news?newsid=311&affiliate=frenykkar3244 > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From nanystrom at yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 17:26:05 2006 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Mon Nov 27 17:26:32 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <010e01c71201$a993c710$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <20061127162605.81891.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> My thoughts exactly! Thanks John. I would actually like to read some positive ideas about how the island can move into the 21st century successfully and possibly at a happy medium for everyone (or at least a majority). I often marvel at the intelligence that is constantly expressed on this site. It would be great to see some acceptance of the inevitable changes with some positive input on how it can work instead of how it will end an era. Nissa --- "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" wrote: > It always interests me that the people who want the > island to remain "frozen > in time" are not themselves actually planning to > live here. > > Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, > the island will > continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and > uninhabitable) by the > middle of the century. We've had that debate - > let's move on. > > JT > > > > _____ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Hdchucker@aol.com > Sent: 25 November 2006 02:14 > To: list@sthelena.se > Cc: philo40@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss > of the Pot of Gold) > > > There is a say that goes something like this: > "Beware of wishing for > something, because you might just get it." > > Wish for an airport to be built, on St. Helena, and > you might just get it, > and all of the problems that will go along with it. > The building of the > airport will open St. Helena to the rest of the > world; and, provide easy > access to many more people than you most likely > want. At present it is very > difficult to get to St. Helena, and what that has > accomplished is the > security of St. Helena against modern civilization, > and the many types of > pollution that comes along with it. Make it so that > a person could go there > over a three day weekend from work and it could be > disastrous to St. Helena > and what is so precious about the place. > > Along with an airport, will come the pressure to > build hotels to house the > visitors. As more people begin to go there, there > will be more and more > vehicle's on the roads of St. Helena simply because > the visitors will want > transportation provided so that they can go out and > see the many attractions > of the island. The idea of a Golf Course will be > pursued and then there > will be one. One thing I certainly believe, it is > hard to resist those > pursuing the Pot of Gold. > > When the prospect of making money presents itself, > there are those who will > invest money into making that happen. They will do > that because they > realize the Pot of Gold that lies at the end of that > rainbow, and they will > pull out almost all stops in order to achieve their > objectives. Few people > on the other side are going to be able to do a whole > lot about it, because > they are not going to make money by offering > resistance, they will be losing > money. And, in the case of my desert, and St. > Helena Island, the people who > live here already had our Pot of Gold. I just hope > they realize it. > > I am sure that most people who live on St. Helena > realize that living there > is not a real easy thing to do. But, most of the > people are able to provide > for themselves and exist there. While having more > people go there will > boost the economy, the trade off will be the loss of > the very reasons that > make the island such a jewel, and such a great place > to be. Turn St. Helena > into a popular tourist attraction and the islander's > will lose the very > thing that makes living there so rewarding. > > To my way of thinking, what makes St. Helena so > precious is that it is a > place that is frozen in time, and its scenery is > completely uncluttered. As > I understand it, there are not many more people > living there than there was > in Napoleon's day. St. Helena's air is clear; its > roads are not terribly > congested; and, your views about the island are not > damaged by man-built > structures that destroy the beauty of those vistas. > > I live in a desert community, and my wife and I have > been living here for > over 30 years in the same home. When we got here > the place was almost wide > open and I was very thankful that we had found a > place that was so scenic > and pure. And, I think the word "pure" is a great > way to explain things > back then. Needless to say, in the past 30 years > the influence of > "progress" has turned our community into something > that isn't much different > from where we moved from those 30 years ago, in > order to get away from. > Today, we have to drive a ways to get back to what > we had back then. But, > at least we are still able to do so. Where are > people going to drive to on > St. Helena? > > Another thing I must stress, do not think that you > are going to be able to > resist this pursuit of the Pot of Gold that > investors will pursue. Money > will change hands to grease the movement, and > political support will be > offered with connections attached. One hand will > wash the other. Soon, > there could very well be a hotel sitting next to > Napoleon's gravesite in the > valley. How about a Golf Course across the street > from Longwood? Or, > perhaps an amusement park? > > Chuk > > > __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information > __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From nanystrom at yahoo.com Mon Nov 27 17:28:15 2006 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Mon Nov 27 17:28:29 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <012a01c71204$52242c60$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <20061127162815.18311.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com> Again, thanks John! I strive to be counted as one of the charming. Nissa --- "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" wrote: > I have to say that the American tourists I have > encountered, both here and > elsewhere, have been charming. We also get a lot of > visiting US naval > vessels and the crew are also delightful people to > have around. > > JT > > > > _____ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of RobG > Sent: 26 November 2006 20:36 > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss > of the Pot of Gold) > > > Wahaha, I see the funny side of what Chuk (and John > V) said and how easily > this could all be misinterpreted. I KNOW from past > experience AND from > friends in the tourism industry - a bus-load of > American tourists often > appear and come across as "brash" and "rude" - my > gawd, I wish I had the > time right now to share some of the stories and > expressions I've > encountered! But Rolf, your disection of what John V > said is JUST that > too... "it only means that these are Americans, and > that they are rude too". > John V clearly suggests that they ARE rude, but NOT > necessarily the "only" > rude people on this planet - afterall, John V is now > living in the American > heartland and should know better. Lucky for John V, > I still think he has > gallons of South African blood left in him :-)) > > Rob G > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rolf Weijburg > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss > of the Pot of Gold) > > John, as a writer you should be able to understand > that "..a whole batch of > very rude Americans.."doesn't mean that Americans > are the only rude people. > Nor does it mean that all Americans are rude. > As far as I understand it only means that these are > Americans and that they > are rude too. > What's wrong with that? > Rolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John and June > Vigor > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the > > South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss > of the Pot of Gold) > > > Chuk, why did you single out Americans as rude > people? Are they the only > rude people you know? > > John Vigor > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hdchucker@aol.com > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss > of the Pot of Gold) > > > > I can only say that if I was a billionaire, like Mr. > Trump, I would be > waiting idly by for someone else to build the > airport, and then possibly > wait for some improvement in the docking facilities. > Then, I would pounce. > > > A completely unspoiled, for the most part, place in > the world; which, there > are hardly any left. A new place for the cruise > ships to come to, and with > 5 Star accommodations to boot. Some place new to go > and with a controlling > government that would love to get some revenue out > of the island instead of > having it the other way around; which would throw > the doors wide open to > welcome the new birth of the British Empire. From > what I can see, the stage > would be set. I can see a whole batch of very rude > American's getting off > the cruise ship now. Some New York City types? Ah > yes, the end of > tranquility. > > Hope all is well > > Chuk > > > > > _____ > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > _____ > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > _____ > > Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter > 374 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. > Download de gratis SPAMfighter > > vandaag nog! > > > > _____ > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > _____ > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - > Release Date: 11/25/2006 > > > > > __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information > __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From svest at mindspring.com Mon Nov 27 17:37:57 2006 From: svest at mindspring.com (Steven W. Vest) Date: Mon Nov 27 17:38:12 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <20061127162605.81891.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061127162605.81891.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1164645477.32034.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Exactly. As someone living in the US, I cannot comprehend the situation on the island. The residents of the island must decide what is best for them. Yes, I would like the island to remain as natural as possible, but I don't think it is realistic. I do think people are overestimating how much development will occur. Even with an airport, Saint Helena is still a long way to go. I think that fact and limited resources will cause the growth to occur at a reasonable rate. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Nissa Nystrom Subject: RE: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:26:05 -0800 (PST) Size: 8749 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/0ffe4b18/attachment.eml From Reino.Bauer at t-online.de Mon Nov 27 17:53:18 2006 From: Reino.Bauer at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Mon Nov 27 17:54:03 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <000601c71227$03bfbb70$6801a8c0@Pam> References: <000601c71227$03bfbb70$6801a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: <456B17FE.9040406@bigfoot.com> C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD wrote: > I for one would love to visit but have been daunted by the prospect > of the landing off the mail boat. Hope to see you all in St Helena. > Pam Hi Pam, My wife and I made this "daunting" experience just 6 weeks or so ago. Boarding on Ascension, unboarding and boarding again on SH. My wife was very worried when she learned that she had to go on a launch to get on land. Ask her today and she will tell you that there is no reason to be alarmed. People of any age and fitness did it without problems. You are not climbing the launch directly from the RMS, they fix a quite large platform or ponton to the ship which makes it a 3 phased action. Descend the gangway from RMS to the ponton - stay there for a moment - and board the comfortable launch. During the whole procedure you are surrounded and assisted by experienced crew members. So really nothing to worry about. Safe journey then! Reino. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/4cdc891d/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Mon Nov 27 18:52:52 2006 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Mon Nov 27 18:53:21 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000601c70f20$42848660$6303f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213B148E@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Hi John V, I have a copy of your book waiting for me at one of my favorite Portland places: that book lover's heaven, Powell's Books. They had two used copies. I look forward to picking mine up sometime today. Tessa -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:56 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Hi John: Before you commit yourself, there are two copies of that particular book on the island. Edward Thorpe has one, and Cliff Huxtable has the other. You will know these people and I'm sure they'll lend you the book if you ask nicely and maybe beg a little. If, after you've read it, you still want a copy, get back to me and I can send one to you. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'John and June Vigor'" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena > John, > > I'll include the quote in the next update, with the full attribution. I'd > also like to buy a copy of the book. I can order it through Amazon but an > author-signed copy is nicer. Are you able to send me one, and how much > would I need to send you (in USD or the currency of your choice)? > > JT > > > John Turner > Manager, Bank of St. Helena > www.SaintHelenaBank.com > Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. > Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 > > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From jvigor at earthlink.net Mon Nov 27 19:13:38 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Mon Nov 27 19:12:39 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213B148E@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <000901c7124f$c46de040$e31ff304@fmk4n> Hi Tessa: Yes, Powell's is a wonderful place for book lovers. If you have a choice, get the hardcover version, now sold out, which has useful maps on the endpapers. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena > Hi John V, > > I have a copy of your book waiting for me at one of my favorite Portland > places: that book lover's heaven, Powell's Books. They had two used > copies. I look forward to picking mine up sometime today. > > Tessa From cplowe at mchsi.com Mon Nov 27 19:15:10 2006 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (cplowe@mchsi.com) Date: Mon Nov 27 19:15:24 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Message-ID: <112720061815.13796.456B2B2E00010C29000035E4219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Thanks! I have an older video of St Helena showing the landing at what must be the old dock off the pilot boats. Did you go to the island by cruise ship? I am a poor sailor so tend to stick with the larger cruise ships hopefully for the stability. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Reino.Bauer@t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:54:22 +0000 Size: 3200 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/ec010489/attachment.eml From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Mon Nov 27 19:17:04 2006 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Mon Nov 27 19:17:29 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000901c7124f$c46de040$e31ff304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213B14AA@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Hi John, It is a hardcover! Excellent! My best, Tessa Tessa Hughley BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:14 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena Hi Tessa: Yes, Powell's is a wonderful place for book lovers. If you have a choice, get the hardcover version, now sold out, which has useful maps on the endpapers. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, John Vigor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Visit to St. Helena > Hi John V, > > I have a copy of your book waiting for me at one of my favorite Portland > places: that book lover's heaven, Powell's Books. They had two used > copies. I look forward to picking mine up sometime today. > > Tessa The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From DAVEINBHAM at aol.com Mon Nov 27 19:20:23 2006 From: DAVEINBHAM at aol.com (DAVEINBHAM@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 27 19:20:49 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Message-ID: JT, I am curious as to why the island would become " uninhabitable " without an airport. Care to elaborate on that ? Kindest regards, Dave Holder Birmingham, Alabama ****************************************************************************** ************* Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, the island will continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and uninhabitable) by the middle of the century. We've had that debate - let's move on. JT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/e6dfc976/attachment.htm From sea_dragons at earthlink.net Mon Nov 27 19:55:04 2006 From: sea_dragons at earthlink.net (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Mon Nov 27 19:55:19 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <176DBAFB-AF8F-4073-B1F4-947C6E6E19D6@earthlink.net> On Nov 27, 2006, at 12:20 PM, DAVEINBHAM@aol.com wrote: > I am curious as to why the island would become " uninhabitable " > without an airport. > Care to elaborate on that ? Could be worse. There are people who would declare it uninhabitable now, because there is no Starbucks. That is to say, some people have wildly different ideas of what makes a location 'habitable' than those who enjoy living in small-town remoteness. Although it is no longer the case, Pleak, Texas was once "remote" from Houston, and had a population of 97; I enjoyed it immensely, even though there was no hope of getting anyone to lay cable television lines in the area. St. Helena reminds me very much of life where I grew up, but has the advantage of a large moat to protect it from aggressive engulfment by adjacent development. (Pleak was actually incorporated for the purpose of preventing other towns from engulfing it in order to tax locals for services that would not be provided. Pleak was founded on the principle of no taxes, and no services. The $1500 village incorporation cost was funded with the proceeds from a local charity garage sale. When I lived there, there was no city tax and all elections were conducted by count of hands at a local feed store's gravel parking lot.) I enjoyed St. Helena immensely. I would like very much to discover what SHG has in mind with respect to the project over which I visited the island, and work out a route to turning the project (which does not require tourist traffic on the island to succeed) into a working reality for myself and several colleagues -- not to mention Saints interested in the work. I think people are talking about "the airport" and whether it is good or bad without realizing that it's not the airport per se that will make the change. The question is whether visitor traffic is good or bad, and the extent to which the current development plans (airport, resort, etc.) will in fact drive up visitor traffic. There may be some opportunities outside visitor traffic that may make the airport seem favorable. Of course being net favorable is hard to measure: the noise when an intercontinental flight passes overhead drives down property values in the US near airports, and that's in an environment where valuable silence is even scarcer. It'd be a pity to lure in ecotourists, only to have to issue earplugs due to the airport noise. I don't pretend to be an expert on airports or on St. Helena, but I wish Saints all the best, come what may. It's a beautiful place and it is full of the most pleasant people. One thing I was surprised to find is that one cannot open a bank account without proving some substantial connection to the island. There are quite a few folks in Texas who have money in savings accounts that pay less than St. Helena's bank pays, and would be interested not only in the higher interest but use of the local currency (equivalent to the British pound) as a hedge against US dollar weakness. People with a long-term bearish view on the US dollar might be interested in building savings in a currency like the pound, and investing in British-traded companies rather than exclusively US-traded companies. An advantage of developing a financial services economy is that it requires no foot traffic. The Marshall Islands, as an example of one remote island which has found success selling intangibles to distant foreigners, obtains revenue from foreigners for ship registration -- without ever having to see the ship. It's a benefit to locals, who enjoy having foreigners in effect contribute to their tax base. Offering financial services -- banking and investments -- may be a way to create local revenue without having to sacrifice local assets. Planning for financial independence is something individuals, and not just governments, need to do; but in this case the two may work together. I would enjoy hearing serious thought on why St. Helena should not develop financial services and other traffic-independent revenue sources. Are there serious barriers to this? I keep thinking about the Channel Islands, the Marshall Islands, and I wonder why St. Helena can't drink from the same stream. Best regards, Chris From emutech16 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Nov 27 19:51:37 2006 From: emutech16 at tiscali.co.uk (Jon (whe else?)) Date: Mon Nov 27 19:57:42 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes to responses on this list. I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are of the British Government. Headlines in the London Evening Standard like "Only 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me wonder if Britain's open door policy needs to be reviewed. In the last 5 years so many of my colleagues have emigrated abroad, that it has got to the stage where I am beginning to think about it. There is always a predictable pattern. A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the countryside to try and provide a better standard of living for his family. The local community where he has moved to saw him (and others like him) as a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same fears could be felt on St Helena if there wasn't some sort of control) so for quite some time he was still an "outsider" Ultimately my colleague realised that despite having moved from London he is still resident in a country with little regard for immigration control, so he decides to emigrate with his family to some where better such as Australia. He then spends in excess of ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight into a job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before leaving for Australia and this sped up his application making it much easier and quicker for him. However he was told throughout the whole process that he residency in Australia will subject to continuous review for a period of upto 10 years (however as a policeman he unlikely to experience any problems) Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and emigrate to. St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for granted" conveniences of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of the list for people to emigrate to unless there is a family connection with the island or some other reason. However, St Helena is part of the United Kingdom, and that could be used by today's economic migrants (a horrible term, but one that is so true) as a means to gain entry to the UK. Therefore I agree with the need for some sort of immigration control even if only to protect the local population of the island. However if some one is financial solvent and has skills that could be of benefit to the Island, I don't see the need to frustrate an application to settle on St Helena. Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration control, I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and subsequently too generous) in a lot of instances or far too complicated/hard in others. I do not profess to having all the answers. Like so many other people in other countries I just have to live with their governments policy. One day Britain's may improve! Jon Dingey East London Correspondent ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat unrealistic. In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, largely because that which made sense before the airport was announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, everyone here is a newcomer! JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of lizaevans@aol.com Sent: 27 November 2006 11:46 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity of the island. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: 27/11/2006 13:40 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/b0ab65a3/attachment.htm From emutech16 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Nov 27 19:59:59 2006 From: emutech16 at tiscali.co.uk (Jon (whe else?)) Date: Mon Nov 27 20:00:21 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: Message-ID: <00a101c71256$3cce7800$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> The population of the island is decreasing constantly due to the lack of work and opportunities on the island for the new emerging generations. Even today a vast amount of the available workforce actually works off island (the airport on the Falklands being a prime example of where a lot of Saints can be found) An airport would do a lot to boost tourism to the island, which would provide a lot of work for the local population and therefore enable more people to work where they actually live. Who knows, people may actually move to St Helena to look for work (fully qualified baggage handler here - seeks employment!!) Hope this answers your question Jon Dingey East London Correspondent ----- Original Message ----- From: DAVEINBHAM@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) JT, I am curious as to why the island would become " uninhabitable " without an airport. Care to elaborate on that ? Kindest regards, Dave Holder Birmingham, Alabama ******************************************************************************************* Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, the island will continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and uninhabitable) by the middle of the century. We've had that debate - let's move on. 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The > local community where he has moved to saw him (and others like him) as > a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same fears could be felt > on St Helena if there wasn't some sort of control) so for quite some > time he was still an "outsider" Ultimately my colleague realised that > despite having moved from London he is still resident in a country > with little regard for immigration control, so he decides to emigrate > with his family to some where better such as Australia. He then > spends in excess of ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. > Just to be an immigrant like those he ran away from ? Reino. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061127/f2c34475/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Mon Nov 27 20:28:46 2006 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Mon Nov 27 21:28:58 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] The immigrant to escape immigration In-Reply-To: <456B44A6.2050306@bigfoot.com> References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45>, <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp>, <456B44A6.2050306@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <456B4A7E.1659.2A4ECF@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 27 Nov 2006 at 21:03, Reino Bauer wrote: > > he is still resident in a country with little regard for > > immigration control, so he decides to emigrate > > with his family to some where better such as Australia. He then > > spends in excess of 10,000 arranging his families emigration. > Just to be an immigrant like those he ran away from ? Although the post does seem somewhat paradoxical, there is actually a strong logic to it. What he (the policeman, as reported) does not specify, out of delicacy for some people's susceptibilities, is that his basic desire is to avoid non-white immigrants - that's the coded meaning of "immigration control". So he is fleeing to Australia, a predominantly white country. It is true that from the local's point of view he will be a despised Pom, but the mutual dislike will be much less, than in the situation he is leaving. Thomas Goodey *************************************** To surrender was not even thought of - better by far to die a clean death. There could not be any question of pardon or sentence to mere imprisonment... for the strife between Civilization and Boskonia in no way resembled the wars between fundamentally similar and friendly countries which Terra knew so frequently of old. It was a galaxy-wide struggle for survival between two diametrically opposed, mutually exclusive, and absolutely incompatible cultures; a duel to the death in which quarter was neither asked nor given; a conflict which was and had to be one of ruthless, complete, and utter extinction... ..........First Lensman, by E. E. Smith From apparat at welho.com Mon Nov 27 23:08:31 2006 From: apparat at welho.com (Jukka Tuominen) Date: Mon Nov 27 23:08:43 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question In-Reply-To: <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> Message-ID: <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> Is St Helena "an EU member" or "a part of the EU", in the same way as the French overseas territories such as Nouvelle Cal?donie, R?union, Guyana Fran?aise, Tahiti, Guadeloupe, etc. are? Or is it not, is it rather like Isle of Man or the Channel Islands? Does anyone know? Thanks for your attention. The conversation here alone justifies the existence of the Internet! Juki Correspondent in the Baltic area Jon (whe else?) kirjoitti: > As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes to > responses on this list. > > I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are of > the British Government. Headlines in the London Evening Standard like > "Only 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me wonder if > Britain's open door policy needs to be reviewed. In the last 5 years > so many of my colleagues have emigrated abroad, that it has got to the > stage where I am beginning to think about it. There is always a > predictable pattern. > > A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the countryside > to try and provide a better standard of living for his family. The > local community where he has moved to saw him (and others like him) as > a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same fears could be felt > on St Helena if there wasn't some sort of control) so for quite some > time he was still an "outsider" Ultimately my colleague realised that > despite having moved from London he is still resident in a country > with little regard for immigration control, so he decides to emigrate > with his family to some where better such as Australia. He then > spends in excess of ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. > > My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight into a > job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before leaving > for Australia and this sped up his application making it much easier > and quicker for him. However he was told throughout the whole process > that he residency in Australia will subject to continuous review for a > period of upto 10 years (however as a policeman he unlikely to > experience any problems) > > Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and emigrate > to. St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for granted" > conveniences of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of the list for > people to emigrate to unless there is a family connection with the > island or some other reason. However, St Helena is part of the United > Kingdom, and that could be used by today's economic migrants (a > horrible term, but one that is so true) as a means to gain entry to > the UK. Therefore I agree with the need for some sort of immigration > control even if only to protect the local population of the island. > However if some one is financial solvent and has skills that could be > of benefit to the Island, I don't see the need to frustrate an > application to settle on St Helena. > > Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration > control, I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and subsequently > too generous) in a lot of instances or far too complicated/hard in > others. I do not profess to having all the answers. Like so many > other people in other countries I just have to live with their > governments policy. One day Britain's may improve! > > Jon > Dingey East London Correspondent > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > > *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM > *Subject:* FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 > > Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, > largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those > who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the > nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these > restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat > unrealistic. > > In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, > largely because that which made sense before the airport was > announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your > complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I > can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as > possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. > > St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, > if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, > everyone here is a newcomer! > > JT > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > *On Behalf Of *lizaevans@aol.com > *Sent:* 27 November 2006 11:46 > *To:* list@sthelena.se > *Subject:* [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 > > Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and > airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" > does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and > buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be > happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed > out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine > folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and > longevity of the island. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: > 27/11/2006 13:40 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From Reino.Bauer at t-online.de Mon Nov 27 23:46:40 2006 From: Reino.Bauer at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Mon Nov 27 23:47:04 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question In-Reply-To: <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> Message-ID: <456B6AD0.1090207@bigfoot.com> All I know is they get some money from the EU and apply environmental standards. Reino Jukka Tuominen wrote: > Is St Helena "an EU member" or "a part of the EU", in the same way as > the French overseas territories such as Nouvelle Cal?donie, R?union, > Guyana Fran?aise, Tahiti, Guadeloupe, etc. are? Or is it not, is it > rather like Isle of Man or the Channel Islands? Does anyone know? > Thanks for your attention. The conversation here alone justifies the > existence of the Internet! > Juki > Correspondent in the Baltic area > > > > > Jon (whe else?) kirjoitti: > >> As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes >> to responses on this list. >> >> I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are of >> the British Government. Headlines in the London Evening Standard >> like "Only 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me wonder if >> Britain's open door policy needs to be reviewed. In the last 5 years >> so many of my colleagues have emigrated abroad, that it has got to >> the stage where I am beginning to think about it. There is always a >> predictable pattern. >> >> A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the >> countryside to try and provide a better standard of living for his >> family. The local community where he has moved to saw him (and >> others like him) as a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same >> fears could be felt on St Helena if there wasn't some sort of >> control) so for quite some time he was still an "outsider" >> Ultimately my colleague realised that despite having moved from >> London he is still resident in a country with little regard for >> immigration control, so he decides to emigrate with his family to >> some where better such as Australia. He then spends in excess of >> ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. >> >> My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight into a >> job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before leaving >> for Australia and this sped up his application making it much easier >> and quicker for him. However he was told throughout the whole >> process that he residency in Australia will subject to continuous >> review for a period of upto 10 years (however as a policeman he >> unlikely to experience any problems) >> >> Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and emigrate >> to. St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for granted" >> conveniences of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of the list >> for people to emigrate to unless there is a family connection with >> the island or some other reason. However, St Helena is part of the >> United Kingdom, and that could be used by today's economic migrants >> (a horrible term, but one that is so true) as a means to gain entry >> to the UK. Therefore I agree with the need for some sort of >> immigration control even if only to protect the local population of >> the island. However if some one is financial solvent and has skills >> that could be of benefit to the Island, I don't see the need to >> frustrate an application to settle on St Helena. >> >> Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration >> control, I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and >> subsequently too generous) in a lot of instances or far too >> complicated/hard in others. I do not profess to having all the >> answers. Like so many other people in other countries I just have to >> live with their governments policy. One day Britain's may improve! >> >> Jon >> Dingey East London Correspondent >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena >> >> *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >> Atlantic(Eng)' >> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM >> *Subject:* FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >> >> Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, >> largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those >> who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the >> nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these >> restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat >> unrealistic. >> In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, >> largely because that which made sense before the airport was >> announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your >> complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I >> can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as >> possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. >> St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After >> all, >> if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, >> everyone here is a newcomer! >> JT >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] >> *On Behalf Of *lizaevans@aol.com >> *Sent:* 27 November 2006 11:46 >> *To:* list@sthelena.se >> *Subject:* [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >> >> Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and >> airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" >> does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and >> buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be >> happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed >> out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine >> folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and >> longevity of the island. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: >> 27/11/2006 13:40 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course we smiled indulgently but found to our cost that you should always listen to local advice. Uphill traffic has the right of way on the island, so trying to get DOWN to Jamestown as the working population is heading UP to the ?burbs on a road that carries only one lane of traffic can take a looooooong time ? about 45 minutes actually. So if you?re visiting, be aware of the rush hour from about 4.30!! Reino. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Manager, Bank of St. Helena Sent: Monday, 27 November 2006 7:47 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding "A charabanc (pronounced sha-ra-bang) is a kind of open-topped bus common in Britain during the early part of the 20th century. It was especially popular for "works outings" to the country or the seaside that businesses would hold once a year. The name derives from the French char ? bancs ("carriage with wooden benches"), where it originated in the early 19th century." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charabanc). I've not experienced the charabanc ride personally but I'm told it is one of the most delightful ways to see the island. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Reino Bauer Sent: 24 November 2006 18:10 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re:Speeding Hi, am just back from voyage 91 on the RMS. Interesting reading for a non islander were the two weekly newspapers. They bring the police report from the week passed. And there were speeding tickets mentioned. Hard to believe when we saw the roads and were driven around by Colin in his cheribam (no idea how to spell that). Another one was the lead story on one of the papers titled in large letters "Congestion in Jamestown". It happened for a couple of hours when the 50+ vehicles were offloaded that the RMS had brought down from the UK and brought the capitals activity almost to a standstill. We wondered whether a congestion charge was in the offing. :-) Reino. nealicc@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >Not a lot, 20 mph limit as I remember, but a hell of a nice experience. > > > > >>-- Original Message -- >>To: list@sthelena.se >>Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: The African Queen >>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:24:51 -0500 >>From: prporter1@aim.com >>Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> >> >>Is there that much speeding traffic on the Island? >> >> >> has notified the sender that this message has been received. __________ NOD32 1882 (20061124) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/71796d61/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Tue Nov 28 00:09:17 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Tue Nov 28 00:08:15 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45><006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> Message-ID: <001101c71279$11a33580$bf09f204@fmk4n> Jukka, St. Helena is a British Overseas Territory, one of the last dozen or so vestiges of the British Empire. Saints are British citizens by virtue of the Royal Charter of 1673 and enjoy all the privileges thereof. They have the right to work in Britain and right of permanent abode there. In fact, it is estimated that there are now as many island-born Saints living in Britain as there are left on the island (3,900 at last count). As Reino points out, the island also receives grants from the EU and they apply the environmental standards of the EU. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Tuominen" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:08 PM Subject: [STHELENA] A question > Is St Helena "an EU member" or "a part of the EU", in the same way as > the French overseas territories such as Nouvelle Cal?donie, R?union, > Guyana Fran?aise, Tahiti, Guadeloupe, etc. are? Or is it not, is it > rather like Isle of Man or the Channel Islands? Does anyone know? > Thanks for your attention. The conversation here alone justifies the > existence of the Internet! > Juki > Correspondent in the Baltic area From ccprp at planet.nl Tue Nov 28 00:59:32 2006 From: ccprp at planet.nl (Rolf Weijburg) Date: Tue Nov 28 00:59:47 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> Message-ID: <002401c71280$15809290$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> All I know is that Nouvelle Cal?donie, and Tahiti (i.e French Polynesia) are n?t part of the EU, they ar Overseas territories. Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guyana being Overseas Departments ?re however, like Spanish Canaries and Portuguese Madeira and Azores. Look on the map of your Euro notes and you'll see them included in little inserts in the lower left. Rolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Tuominen" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [STHELENA] A question > Is St Helena "an EU member" or "a part of the EU", in the same way as the > French overseas territories such as Nouvelle Cal?donie, R?union, Guyana > Fran?aise, Tahiti, Guadeloupe, etc. are? Or is it not, is it rather like > Isle of Man or the Channel Islands? Does anyone know? > Thanks for your attention. The conversation here alone justifies the > existence of the Internet! > Juki > Correspondent in the Baltic area > > > > > Jon (whe else?) kirjoitti: >> As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes to >> responses on this list. >> I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are of the >> British Government. Headlines in the London Evening Standard like "Only >> 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me wonder if Britain's open >> door policy needs to be reviewed. In the last 5 years so many of my >> colleagues have emigrated abroad, that it has got to the stage where I am >> beginning to think about it. There is always a predictable pattern. >> A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the countryside >> to try and provide a better standard of living for his family. The local >> community where he has moved to saw him (and others like him) as a threat >> to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same fears could be felt on St Helena >> if there wasn't some sort of control) so for quite some time he was still >> an "outsider" Ultimately my colleague realised that despite having moved >> from London he is still resident in a country with little regard for >> immigration control, so he decides to emigrate with his family to some >> where better such as Australia. He then spends in excess of ?10,000 >> arranging his families emigration. >> My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight into a >> job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before leaving for >> Australia and this sped up his application making it much easier and >> quicker for him. However he was told throughout the whole process that >> he residency in Australia will subject to continuous review for a period >> of upto 10 years (however as a policeman he unlikely to experience any >> problems) >> Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and emigrate to. >> St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for granted" conveniences >> of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of the list for people to >> emigrate to unless there is a family connection with the island or some >> other reason. However, St Helena is part of the United Kingdom, and that >> could be used by today's economic migrants (a horrible term, but one that >> is so true) as a means to gain entry to the UK. Therefore I agree with >> the need for some sort of immigration control even if only to protect the >> local population of the island. However if some one is financial solvent >> and has skills that could be of benefit to the Island, I don't see the >> need to frustrate an application to settle on St Helena. >> Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration control, >> I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and subsequently too >> generous) in a lot of instances or far too complicated/hard in others. I >> do not profess to having all the answers. Like so many other people in >> other countries I just have to live with their governments policy. One >> day Britain's may improve! >> Jon >> Dingey East London Correspondent >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena >> >> *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >> Atlantic(Eng)' >> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM >> *Subject:* FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >> >> Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, >> largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those >> who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the >> nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these >> restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat >> unrealistic. >> In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, >> largely because that which made sense before the airport was >> announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your >> complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I >> can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as >> possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. >> St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, >> if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, >> everyone here is a newcomer! >> JT >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] >> *On Behalf Of *lizaevans@aol.com >> *Sent:* 27 November 2006 11:46 >> *To:* list@sthelena.se >> *Subject:* [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >> >> Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and >> airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" >> does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and >> buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be >> happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed >> out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine >> folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and >> longevity of the island. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: >> 27/11/2006 13:40 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 375 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 28 01:38:55 2006 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Tue Nov 28 01:39:07 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <112720061815.13796.456B2B2E00010C29000035E4219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200611280038.kAS0ctWO008942@mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au> You certainly don't have to worry about getting ashore at St Helena because even if you can't manage the steps down to the landing pontoon or the step ashore at the wharf you can make use of the air taxi. This is a cage containing seats that is loaded aboard a large stable pontoon by the ship's crane and then unloaded at the wharf. I don't think that a visit to the island by cruise ship is really worth doing because they are there for such a short time. The RMS St Helena is fitted with stabilizers and although it is only a small ship it doesn't move very much, especially on the voyages to and from Cape Town where it is running before or into the wind. This means that although it may pitch a little in really heavy seas, there is little rolling. The shorter trip to Ascension Island can be rougher at times because the route crosses the wave patterns. My wide and I have done six trips on the RMS - with a seventh booked for next April - and have never experienced a twinge of seasickness. Whilst it is true that some folk feel a bit queasy the first day out (and the dining salon can be quite empty) they are usually all back on their feet by lunch the next day. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of cplowe@mchsi.com Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2006 5:15 AM To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Thanks! I have an older video of St Helena showing the landing at what must be the old dock off the pilot boats. Did you go to the island by cruise ship? I am a poor sailor so tend to stick with the larger cruise ships hopefully for the stability. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From apparat at welho.com Tue Nov 28 02:40:49 2006 From: apparat at welho.com (Jukka Tuominen) Date: Tue Nov 28 02:41:01 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question In-Reply-To: <002401c71280$15809290$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> <002401c71280$15809290$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> Message-ID: <456B93A1.4030505@welho.com> Yes, you are right. My question was a bit silly, as it is all explained for instance here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_their_relations_with_the_EU#Overseas_countries_and_territories_.28OCTs.29 Very complicated. Juki Rolf Weijburg kirjoitti: > All I know is that Nouvelle Cal?donie, and Tahiti (i.e French > Polynesia) are n?t part of the EU, they ar Overseas territories. > Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guyana being Overseas Departments > ?re however, like Spanish Canaries and Portuguese Madeira and Azores. > Look on the map of your Euro notes and you'll see them included in > little inserts in the lower left. > Rolf > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Tuominen" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:08 PM > Subject: [STHELENA] A question > > >> Is St Helena "an EU member" or "a part of the EU", in the same way as >> the French overseas territories such as Nouvelle Cal?donie, R?union, >> Guyana Fran?aise, Tahiti, Guadeloupe, etc. are? Or is it not, is it >> rather like Isle of Man or the Channel Islands? Does anyone know? >> Thanks for your attention. The conversation here alone justifies the >> existence of the Internet! >> Juki >> Correspondent in the Baltic area >> >> >> >> >> Jon (whe else?) kirjoitti: >>> As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes >>> to responses on this list. >>> I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are >>> of the British Government. Headlines in the London Evening Standard >>> like "Only 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me wonder if >>> Britain's open door policy needs to be reviewed. In the last 5 >>> years so many of my colleagues have emigrated abroad, that it has >>> got to the stage where I am beginning to think about it. There is >>> always a predictable pattern. >>> A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the >>> countryside to try and provide a better standard of living for his >>> family. The local community where he has moved to saw him (and >>> others like him) as a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same >>> fears could be felt on St Helena if there wasn't some sort of >>> control) so for quite some time he was still an "outsider" >>> Ultimately my colleague realised that despite having moved from >>> London he is still resident in a country with little regard for >>> immigration control, so he decides to emigrate with his family to >>> some where better such as Australia. He then spends in excess of >>> ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. >>> My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight into >>> a job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before >>> leaving for Australia and this sped up his application making it >>> much easier and quicker for him. However he was told throughout the >>> whole process that he residency in Australia will subject to >>> continuous review for a period of upto 10 years (however as a >>> policeman he unlikely to experience any problems) >>> Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and >>> emigrate to. St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for >>> granted" conveniences of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of >>> the list for people to emigrate to unless there is a family >>> connection with the island or some other reason. However, St Helena >>> is part of the United Kingdom, and that could be used by today's >>> economic migrants (a horrible term, but one that is so true) as a >>> means to gain entry to the UK. Therefore I agree with the need for >>> some sort of immigration control even if only to protect the local >>> population of the island. However if some one is financial solvent >>> and has skills that could be of benefit to the Island, I don't see >>> the need to frustrate an application to settle on St Helena. >>> Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration >>> control, I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and >>> subsequently too generous) in a lot of instances or far too >>> complicated/hard in others. I do not profess to having all the >>> answers. Like so many other people in other countries I just have >>> to live with their governments policy. One day Britain's may improve! >>> Jon >>> Dingey East London Correspondent >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena >>> >>> *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >>> Atlantic(Eng)' >>> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM >>> *Subject:* FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >>> >>> Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, >>> largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those >>> who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the >>> nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these >>> restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat >>> unrealistic. >>> In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, >>> largely because that which made sense before the airport was >>> announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your >>> complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I >>> can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as >>> possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. >>> St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, >>> if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, >>> everyone here is a newcomer! >>> JT >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] >>> *On Behalf Of *lizaevans@aol.com >>> *Sent:* 27 November 2006 11:46 >>> *To:* list@sthelena.se >>> *Subject:* [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >>> >>> Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and >>> airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" >>> does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and >>> buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be >>> happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed >>> out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine >>> folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and >>> longevity of the island. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: >>> 27/11/2006 13:40 >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter > 375 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. > Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > From manager at sainthelenabank.com Tue Nov 28 09:49:14 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Nov 28 09:50:29 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007a01c712ca$1f7b3350$2d0b000a@shgbank45> At the moment the inhabitants rely on the provision of basic services, such as hospitals, electricity, imported food & equipment, etc. As the population declines, the cost-per-capita of providing these rises. For example, if you have one doctor for 4,000 people, how many doctors do you have for 2,000? 1,000? 100? It's either one or none. Would the RMS visit monthly for 500 people? I think not (ask the residents of Tristan da Cunha). Social life also declines with the population, thus making the island a less interesting place to live and accelerating the decline. At some point the UK government would probably decide that it could no longer afford to provide the basic services, and would then offer the remaining islanders resettlement elsewhere. Apart form a very hardy few, who didn't mind having no services, the island would then be, to most people, uninhabited and uninhabitable. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of DAVEINBHAM@aol.com Sent: 27 November 2006 18:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) JT, I am curious as to why the island would become " uninhabitable " without an airport. Care to elaborate on that ? Kindest regards, Dave Holder Birmingham, Alabama **************************************************************************** *************** Let's stay focused - if the airport isn't developed, the island will continue to depopulate and will be uninhabited (and uninhabitable) by the middle of the century. We've had that debate - let's move on. JT __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/9361e576/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Tue Nov 28 09:56:05 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Nov 28 09:57:02 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (why St. Helena should not develop financial services and other traffic-independent revenue sources...) In-Reply-To: <176DBAFB-AF8F-4073-B1F4-947C6E6E19D6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008501c712cb$0d03ea90$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I wasn't here when the banking rules were set up, so the following is technically inadmissible as evidence but is probably correct. The big problem with accepting 'offshore' funds is prevention of "money laundering" (that's when criminals; drug barons; terrorists; etc. move money through the banking system to 'clean' it and disguise its 'dirty' origins). In a small island with little prior experience of international banking that would have been a major risk. I'm sure the British Government didn't want St.?Helena to get a reputation as a haven for money launderers. So the simplest protection is to ban the acceptance of international money. I hope that, as the bank develops, and now that the international treaties and anti-money laundering practices are also developing, we may be able to request that this rule is revisited. Then you will be welcome to invest here and we will happily use your money to help grow the island's economy. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher D. Lewis Sent: 27 November 2006 18:55 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) On Nov 27, 2006, at 12:20 PM, DAVEINBHAM@aol.com wrote: > I am curious as to why the island would become " uninhabitable " > without an airport. > Care to elaborate on that ? Could be worse. There are people who would declare it uninhabitable now, because there is no Starbucks. That is to say, some people have wildly different ideas of what makes a location 'habitable' than those who enjoy living in small-town remoteness. Although it is no longer the case, Pleak, Texas was once "remote" from Houston, and had a population of 97; I enjoyed it immensely, even though there was no hope of getting anyone to lay cable television lines in the area. St. Helena reminds me very much of life where I grew up, but has the advantage of a large moat to protect it from aggressive engulfment by adjacent development. (Pleak was actually incorporated for the purpose of preventing other towns from engulfing it in order to tax locals for services that would not be provided. Pleak was founded on the principle of no taxes, and no services. The $1500 village incorporation cost was funded with the proceeds from a local charity garage sale. When I lived there, there was no city tax and all elections were conducted by count of hands at a local feed store's gravel parking lot.) I enjoyed St. Helena immensely. I would like very much to discover what SHG has in mind with respect to the project over which I visited the island, and work out a route to turning the project (which does not require tourist traffic on the island to succeed) into a working reality for myself and several colleagues -- not to mention Saints interested in the work. I think people are talking about "the airport" and whether it is good or bad without realizing that it's not the airport per se that will make the change. The question is whether visitor traffic is good or bad, and the extent to which the current development plans (airport, resort, etc.) will in fact drive up visitor traffic. There may be some opportunities outside visitor traffic that may make the airport seem favorable. Of course being net favorable is hard to measure: the noise when an intercontinental flight passes overhead drives down property values in the US near airports, and that's in an environment where valuable silence is even scarcer. It'd be a pity to lure in ecotourists, only to have to issue earplugs due to the airport noise. I don't pretend to be an expert on airports or on St. Helena, but I wish Saints all the best, come what may. It's a beautiful place and it is full of the most pleasant people. One thing I was surprised to find is that one cannot open a bank account without proving some substantial connection to the island. There are quite a few folks in Texas who have money in savings accounts that pay less than St. Helena's bank pays, and would be interested not only in the higher interest but use of the local currency (equivalent to the British pound) as a hedge against US dollar weakness. People with a long-term bearish view on the US dollar might be interested in building savings in a currency like the pound, and investing in British-traded companies rather than exclusively US-traded companies. An advantage of developing a financial services economy is that it requires no foot traffic. The Marshall Islands, as an example of one remote island which has found success selling intangibles to distant foreigners, obtains revenue from foreigners for ship registration -- without ever having to see the ship. It's a benefit to locals, who enjoy having foreigners in effect contribute to their tax base. Offering financial services -- banking and investments -- may be a way to create local revenue without having to sacrifice local assets. Planning for financial independence is something individuals, and not just governments, need to do; but in this case the two may work together. I would enjoy hearing serious thought on why St. Helena should not develop financial services and other traffic-independent revenue sources. Are there serious barriers to this? I keep thinking about the Channel Islands, the Marshall Islands, and I wonder why St. Helena can't drink from the same stream. Best regards, Chris The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From manager at sainthelenabank.com Tue Nov 28 10:03:29 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Nov 28 10:04:35 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> Message-ID: <008901c712cc$15ebc5f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Every nation needs immigrants. Can anyone tell me when I can get hold of a TV programme made by Eddie Izzard for, I think, Channel 4, called 'Mongrel Nation' (I guess it's available on DVD/VHS but I can't find it anywhere on the Internet)? It explains how many of Britain's major industries and core social values were shaped by waves of immigrants over the course of its history. I'd like to show it to people here. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Jon (whe else?) Sent: 27 November 2006 18:52 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes to responses on this list. I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are of the British Government. Headlines in the London Evening Standard like "Only 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me wonder if Britain's open door policy needs to be reviewed. In the last 5 years so many of my colleagues have emigrated abroad, that it has got to the stage where I am beginning to think about it. There is always a predictable pattern. A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the countryside to try and provide a better standard of living for his family. The local community where he has moved to saw him (and others like him) as a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same fears could be felt on St Helena if there wasn't some sort of control) so for quite some time he was still an "outsider" Ultimately my colleague realised that despite having moved from London he is still resident in a country with little regard for immigration control, so he decides to emigrate with his family to some where better such as Australia. He then spends in excess of ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight into a job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before leaving for Australia and this sped up his application making it much easier and quicker for him. However he was told throughout the whole process that he residency in Australia will subject to continuous review for a period of upto 10 years (however as a policeman he unlikely to experience any problems) Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and emigrate to. St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for granted" conveniences of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of the list for people to emigrate to unless there is a family connection with the island or some other reason. However, St Helena is part of the United Kingdom, and that could be used by today's economic migrants (a horrible term, but one that is so true) as a means to gain entry to the UK. Therefore I agree with the need for some sort of immigration control even if only to protect the local population of the island. However if some one is financial solvent and has skills that could be of benefit to the Island, I don't see the need to frustrate an application to settle on St Helena. Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration control, I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and subsequently too generous) in a lot of instances or far too complicated/hard in others. I do not profess to having all the answers. Like so many other people in other countries I just have to live with their governments policy. One day Britain's may improve! Jon Dingey East London Correspondent ----- Original Message ----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat unrealistic. In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, largely because that which made sense before the airport was announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, everyone here is a newcomer! JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of lizaevans@aol.com Sent: 27 November 2006 11:46 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity of the island. _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: 27/11/2006 13:40 __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/0284e694/attachment-0001.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Tue Nov 28 10:07:08 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Nov 28 10:08:13 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question In-Reply-To: <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> Message-ID: <008e01c712cc$9895c910$2d0b000a@shgbank45> St.?Helena is not itself a 'nation', it is a British Overseas Territory, so cannot be an EU Member itself (not being even remotely 'in Europe' may be a problem too). We do seem to benefit from EU Funds, but don't seem to have to implement all the EU Rules (there are some contradictions that don't need to be resolved!). JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Jukka Tuominen Sent: 27 November 2006 22:09 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] A question Is St Helena "an EU member" or "a part of the EU", in the same way as the French overseas territories such as Nouvelle Cal?donie, R?union, Guyana Fran?aise, Tahiti, Guadeloupe, etc. are? Or is it not, is it rather like Isle of Man or the Channel Islands? Does anyone know? Thanks for your attention. The conversation here alone justifies the existence of the Internet! Juki Correspondent in the Baltic area Jon (whe else?) kirjoitti: > As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes to > responses on this list. > > I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are of > the British Government. Headlines in the London Evening Standard like > "Only 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me wonder if > Britain's open door policy needs to be reviewed. In the last 5 years > so many of my colleagues have emigrated abroad, that it has got to the > stage where I am beginning to think about it. There is always a > predictable pattern. > > A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the countryside > to try and provide a better standard of living for his family. The > local community where he has moved to saw him (and others like him) as > a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same fears could be felt > on St Helena if there wasn't some sort of control) so for quite some > time he was still an "outsider" Ultimately my colleague realised that > despite having moved from London he is still resident in a country > with little regard for immigration control, so he decides to emigrate > with his family to some where better such as Australia. He then > spends in excess of ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. > > My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight into a > job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before leaving > for Australia and this sped up his application making it much easier > and quicker for him. However he was told throughout the whole process > that he residency in Australia will subject to continuous review for a > period of upto 10 years (however as a policeman he unlikely to > experience any problems) > > Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and emigrate > to. St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for granted" > conveniences of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of the list for > people to emigrate to unless there is a family connection with the > island or some other reason. However, St Helena is part of the United > Kingdom, and that could be used by today's economic migrants (a > horrible term, but one that is so true) as a means to gain entry to > the UK. Therefore I agree with the need for some sort of immigration > control even if only to protect the local population of the island. > However if some one is financial solvent and has skills that could be > of benefit to the Island, I don't see the need to frustrate an > application to settle on St Helena. > > Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration > control, I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and subsequently > too generous) in a lot of instances or far too complicated/hard in > others. I do not profess to having all the answers. Like so many > other people in other countries I just have to live with their > governments policy. One day Britain's may improve! > > Jon > Dingey East London Correspondent > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena > > *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng)' > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM > *Subject:* FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 > > Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, > largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those > who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the > nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these > restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat > unrealistic. > > In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, > largely because that which made sense before the airport was > announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your > complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I > can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as > possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. > > St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, > if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, > everyone here is a newcomer! > > JT > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > *On Behalf Of *lizaevans@aol.com > *Sent:* 27 November 2006 11:46 > *To:* list@sthelena.se > *Subject:* [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 > > Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and > airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" > does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and > buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be > happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed > out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine > folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and > longevity of the island. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: > 27/11/2006 13:40 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From manager at sainthelenabank.com Tue Nov 28 10:09:29 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Nov 28 10:10:53 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <200611280038.kAS0ctWO008942@mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <009501c712cc$ec4d3660$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I have photos of the Air Taxi in operation, in case anyone is considering it. I won't post them here (big files) but please email me direct if you want to see them. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 28 November 2006 00:39 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the loss of the Pot of Gold) You certainly don't have to worry about getting ashore at St Helena because even if you can't manage the steps down to the landing pontoon or the step ashore at the wharf you can make use of the air taxi. This is a cage containing seats that is loaded aboard a large stable pontoon by the ship's crane and then unloaded at the wharf. I don't think that a visit to the island by cruise ship is really worth doing because they are there for such a short time. The RMS St Helena is fitted with stabilizers and although it is only a small ship it doesn't move very much, especially on the voyages to and from Cape Town where it is running before or into the wind. This means that although it may pitch a little in really heavy seas, there is little rolling. The shorter trip to Ascension Island can be rougher at times because the route crosses the wave patterns. My wide and I have done six trips on the RMS - with a seventh booked for next April - and have never experienced a twinge of seasickness. Whilst it is true that some folk feel a bit queasy the first day out (and the dining salon can be quite empty) they are usually all back on their feet by lunch the next day. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of cplowe@mchsi.com Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2006 5:15 AM To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Thanks! I have an older video of St Helena showing the landing at what must be the old dock off the pilot boats. Did you go to the island by cruise ship? I am a poor sailor so tend to stick with the larger cruise ships hopefully for the stability. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From cbenjamin at uwc.ac.za Tue Nov 28 10:20:26 2006 From: cbenjamin at uwc.ac.za (Carmelita Benjamin) Date: Tue Nov 28 10:21:13 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <009501c712cc$ec4d3660$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <200611280038.kAS0ctWO008942@mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au> <009501c712cc$ec4d3660$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <456C1B7B0200005D0000A636@gwia2.uwc.ac.za> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/uwc2006/content/mail_disclaimer/index.htm From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Tue Nov 28 10:49:29 2006 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Tue Nov 28 10:51:40 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <008901c712cc$15ebc5f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> References: <008901c712cc$15ebc5f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <456C0629.1010707@inhouse.co.uk> Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > Every nation needs immigrants. Can anyone tell me when I can get hold of a > TV programme made by Eddie Izzard for, I think, Channel 4, called 'Mongrel > Nation' (I guess it's available on DVD/VHS but I can't find it anywhere on > the Internet)? It explains how many of Britain's major industries and core > social values were shaped by waves of immigrants over the course of its > history. I'd like to show it to people here. > JT I believe it was made for The Discovery Channel http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/history/mongrel_nation/index.shtml The programme/series might be available for download on their site. Steve From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Tue Nov 28 10:58:41 2006 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Tue Nov 28 11:00:48 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <456C0629.1010707@inhouse.co.uk> References: <008901c712cc$15ebc5f0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <456C0629.1010707@inhouse.co.uk> Message-ID: <456C0851.1030808@inhouse.co.uk> Steve Wyles wrote: > Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > >> Every nation needs immigrants. Can anyone tell me when I can get hold >> of a >> TV programme made by Eddie Izzard for, I think, Channel 4, called >> 'Mongrel >> Nation' (I guess it's available on DVD/VHS but I can't find it >> anywhere on >> the Internet)? It explains how many of Britain's major industries and >> core >> social values were shaped by waves of immigrants over the course of its >> history. I'd like to show it to people here. >> JT > > > I believe it was made for The Discovery Channel > > http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/history/mongrel_nation/index.shtml > > The programme/series might be available for download on their site. Actually, it appears to be available on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mongrel+Nation&search=Search From Reino.Bauer at t-online.de Tue Nov 28 12:57:17 2006 From: Reino.Bauer at t-online.de (Reino Bauer) Date: Tue Nov 28 12:57:35 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question In-Reply-To: <456B93A1.4030505@welho.com> References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> <002401c71280$15809290$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> <456B93A1.4030505@welho.com> Message-ID: <456C241D.6070005@bigfoot.com> Thanks Jukka for pointing out this wikipedia link. What a confusion! What I found strange however is, that coming from the UK by plane you go through passport and customs control at Ascencion Island. Even more strange is that you have to go through the same procedure again when you arrive at St. Helena coming from Ascension, which is under the rule of the same governor, i.e. the one residing on St. Helena and driving around the island with just a crown on his cars as a number plate. Lets say it keeps people employed. Reino. Jukka Tuominen wrote: > Yes, you are right. My question was a bit silly, as it is all > explained for instance here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_their_relations_with_the_EU#Overseas_countries_and_territories_.28OCTs.29 > > Very complicated. > Juki > > > Rolf Weijburg kirjoitti: > >> All I know is that Nouvelle Cal?donie, and Tahiti (i.e French >> Polynesia) are n?t part of the EU, they ar Overseas territories. >> Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guyana being Overseas Departments >> ?re however, like Spanish Canaries and Portuguese Madeira and Azores. >> Look on the map of your Euro notes and you'll see them included in >> little inserts in the lower left. >> Rolf >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Tuominen" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:08 PM >> Subject: [STHELENA] A question >> >> >>> Is St Helena "an EU member" or "a part of the EU", in the same way >>> as the French overseas territories such as Nouvelle Cal?donie, >>> R?union, Guyana Fran?aise, Tahiti, Guadeloupe, etc. are? Or is it >>> not, is it rather like Isle of Man or the Channel Islands? Does >>> anyone know? >>> Thanks for your attention. The conversation here alone justifies the >>> existence of the Internet! >>> Juki >>> Correspondent in the Baltic area >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jon (whe else?) kirjoitti: >>> >>>> As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes >>>> to responses on this list. >>>> I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are >>>> of the British Government. Headlines in the London Evening >>>> Standard like "Only 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me >>>> wonder if Britain's open door policy needs to be reviewed. In the >>>> last 5 years so many of my colleagues have emigrated abroad, that >>>> it has got to the stage where I am beginning to think about it. >>>> There is always a predictable pattern. >>>> A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the >>>> countryside to try and provide a better standard of living for his >>>> family. The local community where he has moved to saw him (and >>>> others like him) as a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the >>>> same fears could be felt on St Helena if there wasn't some sort of >>>> control) so for quite some time he was still an "outsider" >>>> Ultimately my colleague realised that despite having moved from >>>> London he is still resident in a country with little regard for >>>> immigration control, so he decides to emigrate with his family to >>>> some where better such as Australia. He then spends in excess of >>>> ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. >>>> My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight >>>> into a job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before >>>> leaving for Australia and this sped up his application making it >>>> much easier and quicker for him. However he was told throughout >>>> the whole process that he residency in Australia will subject to >>>> continuous review for a period of upto 10 years (however as a >>>> policeman he unlikely to experience any problems) >>>> Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and >>>> emigrate to. St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for >>>> granted" conveniences of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of >>>> the list for people to emigrate to unless there is a family >>>> connection with the island or some other reason. However, St >>>> Helena is part of the United Kingdom, and that could be used by >>>> today's economic migrants (a horrible term, but one that is so >>>> true) as a means to gain entry to the UK. Therefore I agree with >>>> the need for some sort of immigration control even if only to >>>> protect the local population of the island. However if some one is >>>> financial solvent and has skills that could be of benefit to the >>>> Island, I don't see the need to frustrate an application to settle >>>> on St Helena. >>>> Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration >>>> control, I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and >>>> subsequently too generous) in a lot of instances or far too >>>> complicated/hard in others. I do not profess to having all the >>>> answers. Like so many other people in other countries I just have >>>> to live with their governments policy. One day Britain's may improve! >>>> Jon >>>> Dingey East London Correspondent >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena >>>> >>>> *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >>>> Atlantic(Eng)' >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM >>>> *Subject:* FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >>>> >>>> Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, >>>> largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those >>>> who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the >>>> nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these >>>> restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat >>>> unrealistic. >>>> In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, >>>> largely because that which made sense before the airport was >>>> announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your >>>> complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I >>>> can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as >>>> possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. >>>> St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, >>>> if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, >>>> everyone here is a newcomer! >>>> JT >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] >>>> *On Behalf Of *lizaevans@aol.com >>>> *Sent:* 27 November 2006 11:46 >>>> *To:* list@sthelena.se >>>> *Subject:* [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >>>> >>>> Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and >>>> airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" >>>> does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and >>>> buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be >>>> happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed >>>> out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine >>>> folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and >>>> longevity of the island. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: >>>> 27/11/2006 13:40 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter >> 375 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. >> Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/851a31ea/attachment.htm From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Tue Nov 28 13:19:55 2006 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Tue Nov 28 13:22:02 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question In-Reply-To: <456C241D.6070005@bigfoot.com> References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com> <002401c71280$15809290$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> <456B93A1.4030505@welho.com> <456C241D.6070005@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <456C296B.6010900@inhouse.co.uk> Reino Bauer wrote: > Thanks Jukka for pointing out this wikipedia link. What a confusion! > What I found strange however is, that coming from the UK by plane you go > through passport and customs control at Ascencion Island. That doesn't surprise me. The airport on Ascencion is under US military control, so you are effectively going from Britain to US soil first. Even more > strange is that you have to go through the same procedure again when you > arrive at St. Helena coming from Ascension, which is under the rule of > the same governor, Nothing wrong with doing something twice, especially when it is as important as Immigration control. Remember, not everybody on the RMS would have boarded at Ascencion and it is easier to apply the same procedure to everybody disembarking. Steve From cplowe at mchsi.com Tue Nov 28 14:22:09 2006 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Tue Nov 28 14:22:27 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: <009501c712cc$ec4d3660$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Message-ID: <001601c712f0$35c9ff30$6801a8c0@Pam> Thanks to both Terry and John for the updated info on "the landing". The previous method of landing as portrayed on the video did not seem to be for the faint of heart. Are there any recent videos of the island? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:09 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the loss of the Pot of Gold) >I have photos of the Air Taxi in operation, in case anyone is considering > it. I won't post them here (big files) but please email me direct if you > want to see them. > JT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Terry Herbert > Sent: 28 November 2006 00:39 > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the loss of > the Pot of Gold) > > You certainly don't have to worry about getting ashore at St Helena > because > even if you can't manage the steps down to the landing pontoon or the step > ashore at the wharf you can make use of the air taxi. This is a cage > containing seats that is loaded aboard a large stable pontoon by the > ship's > crane and then unloaded at the wharf. > > I don't think that a visit to the island by cruise ship is really worth > doing because they are there for such a short time. The RMS St Helena is > fitted with stabilizers and although it is only a small ship it doesn't > move > very much, especially on the voyages to and from Cape Town where it is > running before or into the wind. This means that although it may pitch a > little in really heavy seas, there is little rolling. The shorter trip to > Ascension Island can be rougher at times because the route crosses the > wave > patterns. > > My wide and I have done six trips on the RMS - with a seventh booked for > next April - and have never experienced a twinge of seasickness. Whilst it > is true that some folk feel a bit queasy the first day out (and the dining > salon can be quite empty) they are usually all back on their feet by lunch > the next day. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of cplowe@mchsi.com > Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2006 5:15 AM > To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) > > Thanks! I have an older video of St Helena showing the landing at what > must > > be the old dock off the pilot boats. Did you go to the island by cruise > ship? > I am a poor sailor so tend to stick with the larger cruise ships hopefully > for the stability. > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From manager at sainthelenabank.com Tue Nov 28 15:08:35 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Nov 28 15:09:40 2006 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BSTHELENA=5D_How_to_get_Videos_of_St.=A0Helena_?= In-Reply-To: <001601c712f0$35c9ff30$6801a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: <000901c712f6$b59cdec0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Try http://www.capricorn-studios.com/ JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD Sent: 28 November 2006 13:22 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Thanks to both Terry and John for the updated info on "the landing". The previous method of landing as portrayed on the video did not seem to be for the faint of heart. Are there any recent videos of the island? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:09 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the loss of the Pot of Gold) >I have photos of the Air Taxi in operation, in case anyone is >considering it. I won't post them here (big files) but please email >me direct if you want to see them. > JT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf Of Terry Herbert > Sent: 28 November 2006 00:39 > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the > loss of the Pot of Gold) > > You certainly don't have to worry about getting ashore at St Helena > because even if you can't manage the steps down to the landing pontoon > or the step ashore at the wharf you can make use of the air taxi. This > is a cage containing seats that is loaded aboard a large stable > pontoon by the ship's crane and then unloaded at the wharf. > > I don't think that a visit to the island by cruise ship is really > worth doing because they are there for such a short time. The RMS St > Helena is fitted with stabilizers and although it is only a small ship > it doesn't move very much, especially on the voyages to and from Cape > Town where it is running before or into the wind. This means that > although it may pitch a little in really heavy seas, there is little > rolling. The shorter trip to Ascension Island can be rougher at times > because the route crosses the wave patterns. > > My wide and I have done six trips on the RMS - with a seventh booked > for next April - and have never experienced a twinge of seasickness. > Whilst it is true that some folk feel a bit queasy the first day out > (and the dining salon can be quite empty) they are usually all back on > their feet by lunch the next day. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On > Behalf Of cplowe@mchsi.com > Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2006 5:15 AM > To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) > > Thanks! I have an older video of St Helena showing the landing at > what must > > be the old dock off the pilot boats. Did you go to the island by > cruise ship? > I am a poor sailor so tend to stick with the larger cruise ships > hopefully for the stability. > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Herbote at aol.com Tue Nov 28 19:37:24 2006 From: Herbote at aol.com (Herbote@aol.com) Date: Tue Nov 28 19:37:53 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Message-ID: Dear Friends, Do you know whether the St. Helena Catalogue is a dead issue? _www.sthcatalogue.net_ (http://www.sthcatalogue.net) The email address does not work and the last edition is from 2004. Any idea? Thank you and best wishes Burkhard Herbote Editor, WorldTourismDirectory.com Herbote International Research Walkerberg 20 59269 Beckum, Germany Tel: ++49 (0) 2521 823333 Fax: ++49 (0) 2521 823334 editor@worldtourismdirectory.com _www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com/) Skype: herbote The (c) WorldTourismDirectory.com is the world's most comprehensive tourism information online directory for the international travel community and the traveling consumer, who both rely on the accuracy of its content. Country by country source of all international, national, regional, local tourism authorities, associations and organizations, travel services, corporations and travel and tourism media, government information sources, tourism investment agencies, non-profit organizations and much more. It also has the most comprehensive listing of international associations, organizations and services in travel and tourism. A service by _www.herbote.com_ (http://www.herbote.com/) Our further reference publication is the Directory of German-International Relations, available at _www.laenderkontakte.de_ (http://www.laenderkontakte.de/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/a517ad65/attachment.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 28 20:33:17 2006 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Tue Nov 28 20:33:32 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) In-Reply-To: <001601c712f0$35c9ff30$6801a8c0@Pam> Message-ID: <200611281933.kASJXH77022519@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Those DVDs by Darrin and Sharon Henry advertised on their Capricorn site http://www.capricorn-studios.com/ are well worth getting. Excellent photography. And you'll be supporting a St Helena business if you order them. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 12:22 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the loss of the Pot of Gold) Thanks to both Terry and John for the updated info on "the landing". The previous method of landing as portrayed on the video did not seem to be for the faint of heart. Are there any recent videos of the island? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:09 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the loss of the Pot of Gold) >I have photos of the Air Taxi in operation, in case anyone is considering > it. I won't post them here (big files) but please email me direct if you > want to see them. > JT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Terry Herbert > Sent: 28 November 2006 00:39 > To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport,and the loss of > the Pot of Gold) > > You certainly don't have to worry about getting ashore at St Helena > because > even if you can't manage the steps down to the landing pontoon or the step > ashore at the wharf you can make use of the air taxi. This is a cage > containing seats that is loaded aboard a large stable pontoon by the > ship's > crane and then unloaded at the wharf. > > I don't think that a visit to the island by cruise ship is really worth > doing because they are there for such a short time. The RMS St Helena is > fitted with stabilizers and although it is only a small ship it doesn't > move > very much, especially on the voyages to and from Cape Town where it is > running before or into the wind. This means that although it may pitch a > little in really heavy seas, there is little rolling. The shorter trip to > Ascension Island can be rougher at times because the route crosses the > wave > patterns. > > My wide and I have done six trips on the RMS - with a seventh booked for > next April - and have never experienced a twinge of seasickness. Whilst it > is true that some folk feel a bit queasy the first day out (and the dining > salon can be quite empty) they are usually all back on their feet by lunch > the next day. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert > > DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, > Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of cplowe@mchsi.com > Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2006 5:15 AM > To: rbauer@bigfoot.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) > > Thanks! I have an older video of St Helena showing the landing at what > must > > be the old dock off the pilot boats. Did you go to the island by cruise > ship? > I am a poor sailor so tend to stick with the larger cruise ships hopefully > for the stability. > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From bgsco at juno.com Tue Nov 28 20:46:11 2006 From: bgsco at juno.com (bgsco@juno.com) Date: Tue Nov 28 20:47:37 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] LEAVING THE LIST Message-ID: <20061128.114636.8480.1109343@webmail35.nyc.untd.com> Hello, Jon! (It is Jon, isn't it?) I joined the list some time ago because of my interest in Tristan da Cunha. A lot has happened to me in the ensuing years, and at present I'm not able to deal with the numerous message. So, I'm asking to be removed from the list at present but reserve the "right" to be reinstated at some time in the future. (smile) I still have a few books and photocopied articles about Tristan and am leaving a note in my strongbox saying they are to be forwarded to you (in case I should die before unearthing from storage and sending them ahead of that dire event). Beverly Gaye Scofield 9230 Alamo Creek Road Santa Maria CA 93454 USA BGSco@juno.com From rp at t-kartor.se Tue Nov 28 21:23:48 2006 From: rp at t-kartor.se (Rich Perkins) Date: Tue Nov 28 21:22:24 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Hellooooo list Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20061128210300.0375a5b8@194.52.167.3> Hi all, The recent flurry of activity has reminded me that despite joining a couple of months back and watching with interest, I have never introduced myself, so figured I may as well do it now. My name is Rich Perkins, and I am a 27year old currently based - i travel extensively and regularly for work etc - in a town called Kristianstad in Southern Sweden. I am interested in the Island through my Grandmother (Heather Sim, for anybody that may be aware of the family) who was born and grew up on St. Helena, before emigrating to England around 50years ago. My parents visited for a few weeks in the 1970s, and stories from all have long instilled an interest in, and dream to visit the Island. The fact that I am a serial traveller, and also a non flyer (never been on a plane in my life, but been to maybe 70? 80? - no idea exactly - countries, and always travelling) makes the prospect of a trip to St. Helena all the more enticing - I've never done more than a 4 day ship voyage before, or been anywhere as remote. And even better, it would also combine extremely well with another long term dream of mine, namely crossing the African continent by land, something which almost happened a couple of years ago before a sad late change in plan. Everything fits together almost too well for me not to visit. Anyhow, I have been perusing the Timetables for RMS St.Helena, and hope to make the voyage either next autumn, or early 2008. Whilst a short visit would at least give me some taste/idea of life there, Ideally I would like to move there and live for 6-12months (or maybe longer depending upon how things turn out), and wondering what potential options there are for work on the Island for such a time period? Just working for board and accommodation and doing something fairly menial would be fine, as I accept that i'm unlikely to find a "serious" job there due to the lack of positions open and unemployment levels. Having said that, I am a cartographer and i suppose that there is at least a vague chance that somebody may be able to use my skills/experience. So, I suppose, as well as saying hello to the group, i'm wondering if anybody on the island can give me a basic idea if there might be some use/interest (either paid or voluntarily) in somebody with cartographic etc skills, or what options there might be to stay/work on the island for a minimum 6month stint in other lines of work. Thanks, and hopefully I can contribute more to the group in the coming months Rich Btw - as an aside, regarding a recent topic, namely the airport plans, I thought that it came down as much to cost analysis by the UK government (regarding cost of building the airport against that of the need to replace RMS St. Helena in the not too distant future) as much as any particular desire by the Islanders to either get an airport or stay connected by ship only. V?nliga h?lsningar / Regards Rich ******************************************** Richard Perkins T-Kartor Sweden AB Box 5097 S-291 05 Kristianstad SWEDEN tel: (direkt) +46 44 20 68 11 tel: (v?xel/switchboard) +46 44 20 68 00 tel: (British mobile) +44 7968 799881 fax: +46 44 12 82 56 e-mail: rp@t-kartor.se http://www.t-kartor.se map:http://www.karthotellet.com/ ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/9ad55d08/attachment.htm From g.tordini at tiscali.it Tue Nov 28 22:15:53 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Tue Nov 28 22:15:53 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: <112720061815.13796.456B2B2E00010C29000035E4219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF0A9901049F0C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <021901c71332$6323c690$7278dd54@ESSEDI> Hi. I did not understand your name. I am interested to see your old video. Do you think is it possible? giuliano ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) > Thanks! I have an older video of St Helena showing the landing at what > must > be the old dock off the pilot boats. Did you go to the island by cruise > ship? > I am a poor sailor so tend to stick with the larger cruise ships hopefully > for > the stability. > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From g.tordini at tiscali.it Tue Nov 28 22:25:39 2006 From: g.tordini at tiscali.it (giuliano tordini) Date: Tue Nov 28 22:25:41 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: <022201c71333$c0926d30$7278dd54@ESSEDI> Dear John Turner, I am interested in your photos, and I think my PC is enough strong to receive that. giuliano Giuliano Tordini Via G. Garibaldi 18 59100 Prato g.tordini@tiscali.it +39 0574 42 462 mobile +39 339 60 33 820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/db76e8dd/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Tue Nov 28 23:16:07 2006 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Tue Nov 28 23:16:21 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <01a501c70a9e$5ef9fae0$2b96f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: <20061128221607.10639.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> A note to John Vigor, Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my interest. Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line to get more information. I love a good book. What I read about it on-line prompted me also to order a copy through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover with jacket, used but in new condition. The fact that it was written by a member of the list makes it even more intriguing. I am looking forward to reading it! Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have both finished it. =-) Have a great day! Nissa Nystrom Fargo, North Dakota --- John and June Vigor wrote: > Giuliano: There is a large Sennebogen mobile crane > on the wharf used to unload containers and haul > local boats out of the water. It should be capable > of hauling your boat also. You would have to > arrange with the harbormaster for a cradle to be > made when you get there. > > You could also put down your own mooring off > Jamestown, as many local people do. > > It would be best to check with the harbormaster > first by e-mail. If you e-mail the tourist bureau at > the following address, they should be able to tell > you how to contact the harbormaster: > > sthelena.tourism@helanta.sh > > Alternatively, John Turner, the bank manager, who > often offers his wisdom to this list, might have > some knowledge of value to you. > > Cheers, > > John Vigor > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From jvigor at earthlink.net Wed Nov 29 00:57:00 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Wed Nov 29 00:56:01 2006 Subject: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena References: <20061128221607.10639.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c71348$e6e21de0$3d09f204@fmk4n> Hi Nissa: Yes, the reviews for that book were very good, the one from the Washington Times in particular. But strangely enough, the travel genre is not as popular today among readers as it once was. If good reviews automatically translated into money in the bank, I'd be heading out for more time in St. Helena and another long trip on the RMS before she disappears. Incidentally, it's feeling a bit like North Dakota in Western Washington right now. We had 15 inches of snow the night before last and it's 15?F right now in Bellingham. The Garden Flat, in Cambrian House, on St. Helena, with its one acre of beautiful tropical flowers, trees, and vegetables, is but a warm memory. Best wishes, and happy reading! John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nissa Nystrom" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > A note to John Vigor, > > Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my > interest. Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line > to get more information. I love a good book. What I > read about it on-line prompted me also to order a copy > through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating > and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover > with jacket, used but in new condition. The fact that > it was written by a member of the list makes it even > more intriguing. I am looking forward to reading it! > Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have > both finished it. =-) Have a great day! > > Nissa Nystrom > Fargo, North Dakota From mwelfeld at hotmail.com Wed Nov 29 01:14:15 2006 From: mwelfeld at hotmail.com (Martin Welfeld) Date: Wed Nov 29 01:14:28 2006 Subject: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <002c01c71348$e6e21de0$3d09f204@fmk4n> Message-ID: Well, its 65F in Chicago on November 28! Watch out for those flying pigs! Sorry about the bad weather John, ours has had an extreme move in the other direction. I have fond and warm memories of St. Helena also, but they tend to include Ann's Place when a couple of large sailing yachts were stopping at SH. Sailing a long distance promotes the desire to party! Marty Welfeld ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John and June Vigor" Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:57:00 -0800 Hi Nissa: Yes, the reviews for that book were very good, the one from the Washington Times in particular. But strangely enough, the travel genre is not as popular today among readers as it once was. If good reviews automatically translated into money in the bank, I'd be heading out for more time in St. Helena and another long trip on the RMS before she disappears. Incidentally, it's feeling a bit like North Dakota in Western Washington right now. We had 15 inches of snow the night before last and it's 15°F right now in Bellingham. The Garden Flat, in Cambrian House, on St. Helena, with its one acre of beautiful tropical flowers, trees, and vegetables, is but a warm memory. Best wishes, and happy reading! John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nissa Nystrom" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > A note to John Vigor, > > Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my > interest. Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line > to get more information. I love a good book. What I > read about it on-line prompted me also to order a copy > through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating > and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover > with jacket, used but in new condition. The fact that > it was written by a member of the list makes it even > more intriguing. I am looking forward to reading it! > Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have > both finished it. =-) Have a great day! > > Nissa Nystrom > Fargo, North Dakota The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 01:42:04 2006 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Nov 29 01:42:17 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] What book?? In-Reply-To: <20061128221607.10639.qmail@web54509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200611290042.kAT0g4xh017219@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> I've only just joined the List, so I missed the earlier part of this thread - which book are we talking about here? All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 9:16 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) A note to John Vigor, Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my interest. Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line to get more information. I love a good book. What I read about it on-line prompted me also to order a copy through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover with jacket, used but in new condition. The fact that it was written by a member of the list makes it even more intriguing. I am looking forward to reading it! Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have both finished it. =-) Have a great day! Nissa Nystrom Fargo, North Dakota From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Wed Nov 29 01:52:40 2006 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Wed Nov 29 01:53:01 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] What book?? In-Reply-To: <200611290042.kAT0g4xh017219@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213EC827@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Small Boat to Freedom - A Journey of Conscience to a New Life in America by John Vigor. I have my copy in hand and am very excited to begin the journey. John, your description of landing on the steps is hilarious! (I went right to the St. Helena bits but will of course read the entire book) :-) Tessa -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:42 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] What book?? I've only just joined the List, so I missed the earlier part of this thread - which book are we talking about here? All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 9:16 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) A note to John Vigor, Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my interest. Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line to get more information. I love a good book. What I read about it on-line prompted me also to order a copy through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover with jacket, used but in new condition. The fact that it was written by a member of the list makes it even more intriguing. I am looking forward to reading it! Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have both finished it. =-) Have a great day! Nissa Nystrom Fargo, North Dakota The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/808f8eda/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Wed Nov 29 01:55:15 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Wed Nov 29 01:54:18 2006 Subject: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena References: Message-ID: <000b01c71351$09fb6ea0$461ef304@fmk4n> Hi Martin: Yes the weather's back-to-front this year. We rarely get snow, let alone 15 inches in one night. Took me 45 minutes to dig the car out this morning and the freeway was a parking lot. Cars off to the side everywhere, drivers just abandoning them and walking home, or to the nearest hotel. Anne's Place is still going strong. We first met Anne in 1987 when we were there in our own yacht, and we met her again earlier this year. She's limping a little, but doing fine. She has guest books going back more than 20 years filled with messages, sketches, and photographs from the 180 or more yachts that stop at the island every year--her place is a veritable Post Office Stone in the sense of the old square riggers. We added our message this time, 19 years after the fact. We didn't want to leave any traces in 1987 because we were smuggling gold. But we felt braver this time. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Welfeld" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena > Well, its 65F in Chicago on November 28! Watch out for those flying pigs! > > Sorry about the bad weather John, ours has had an extreme move in the other > direction. > > I have fond and warm memories of St. Helena also, but they tend to include > Ann's Place when a couple of large sailing yachts were stopping at SH. > Sailing a long distance promotes the desire to party! > > Marty Welfeld > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John and June Vigor" > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:57:00 -0800 > > Hi Nissa: > > Yes, the reviews for that book were very good, the one from the Washington > Times in particular. But strangely enough, the travel genre is not as > popular today among readers as it once was. If good reviews automatically > translated into money in the bank, I'd be heading out for more time in St. > Helena and another long trip on the RMS before she disappears. > > Incidentally, it's feeling a bit like North Dakota in Western Washington > right now. We had 15 inches of snow the night before last and it's 15?F > right now in Bellingham. The Garden Flat, in Cambrian House, on St. Helena, > with its one acre of beautiful tropical flowers, trees, and vegetables, is > but a warm memory. > > Best wishes, and happy reading! > > John V. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nissa Nystrom" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > > > > A note to John Vigor, > > > > Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my > > interest. Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line > > to get more information. I love a good book. What I > > read about it on-line prompted me also to order a copy > > through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating > > and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover > > with jacket, used but in new condition. The fact that > > it was written by a member of the list makes it even > > more intriguing. I am looking forward to reading it! > > Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have > > both finished it. =-) Have a great day! > > > > Nissa Nystrom > > Fargo, North Dakota > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From jvigor at earthlink.net Wed Nov 29 02:09:55 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Wed Nov 29 02:08:58 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] What book?? References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213EC827@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <002d01c71353$163788a0$461ef304@fmk4n> RE: [STHELENA] What book??Hi Tessa: They've added a higher pad to the landing steps now. It wasn't there on my second visit in 1987. You have no idea how tricky it is to land at those steps, with the swells going up and down, and to pull your rubber dinghy out of the water behind you. You can't leave it in the water because there's no calm place to tie it up. And getting it back in the water is a hoot, too, because--as you have obviously read already--as you put it in the water, the swell inevitably drops, so you step into the place where the dinghy used to be, only it isn't there any more, it's five feet down, and then it's suddenly coming up to meet you as you're flying down. Of all the things St. Helena needs, a safe harbor tops the list, long before an airport. Well, that's my humble and biased opinion, anyhow. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa M. Hughley To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] What book?? Small Boat to Freedom - A Journey of Conscience to a New Life in America by John Vigor. I have my copy in hand and am very excited to begin the journey. John, your description of landing on the steps is hilarious! (I went right to the St. Helena bits but will of course read the entire book) :-) Tessa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/1a8845ee/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Wed Nov 29 02:17:10 2006 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Wed Nov 29 02:17:47 2006 Subject: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena References: <000b01c71351$09fb6ea0$461ef304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <059001c71354$1f10be00$0300a8c0@PRAXIS> John and Martin, I can tell you from personal experience that Anne has always been great fun to be with. My first wife Pat and I spent a lot of time with her and her husband Keith, including memorable New Year's Day picnics and a trip to Sandy Bay - before they built the road, too! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and June Vigor" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena > Hi Martin: > > Yes the weather's back-to-front this year. We rarely get snow, let alone > 15 > inches in one night. Took me 45 minutes to dig the car out this morning > and > the freeway was a parking lot. Cars off to the side everywhere, drivers > just abandoning them and walking home, or to the nearest hotel. > > Anne's Place is still going strong. We first met Anne in 1987 when we were > there in our own yacht, and we met her again earlier this year. She's > limping a little, but doing fine. She has guest books going back more than > 20 years filled with messages, sketches, and photographs from the 180 or > more yachts that stop at the island every year--her place is a veritable > Post Office Stone in the sense of the old square riggers. We added our > message this time, 19 years after the fact. We didn't want to leave any > traces in 1987 because we were smuggling gold. But we felt braver this > time. > > Cheers, > > John V. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Welfeld" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena > > >> Well, its 65F in Chicago on November 28! Watch out for those flying >> pigs! >> >> Sorry about the bad weather John, ours has had an extreme move in the > other >> direction. >> >> I have fond and warm memories of St. Helena also, but they tend to >> include >> Ann's Place when a couple of large sailing yachts were stopping at SH. >> Sailing a long distance promotes the desire to party! >> >> Marty Welfeld >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "John and June Vigor" >> Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:57:00 -0800 >> >> Hi Nissa: >> >> Yes, the reviews for that book were very good, the one from the >> Washington >> Times in particular. But strangely enough, the travel genre is not as >> popular today among readers as it once was. If good reviews automatically >> translated into money in the bank, I'd be heading out for more time in >> St. >> Helena and another long trip on the RMS before she disappears. >> >> Incidentally, it's feeling a bit like North Dakota in Western Washington >> right now. We had 15 inches of snow the night before last and it's 15?F >> right now in Bellingham. The Garden Flat, in Cambrian House, on St. > Helena, >> with its one acre of beautiful tropical flowers, trees, and vegetables, >> is >> but a warm memory. >> >> Best wishes, and happy reading! >> >> John V. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nissa Nystrom" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) >> >> >> > A note to John Vigor, >> > >> > Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my >> > interest. Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line >> > to get more information. I love a good book. What I >> > read about it on-line prompted me also to order a copy >> > through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating >> > and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover >> > with jacket, used but in new condition. The fact that >> > it was written by a member of the list makes it even >> > more intriguing. I am looking forward to reading it! >> > Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have >> > both finished it. =-) Have a great day! >> > >> > Nissa Nystrom >> > Fargo, North Dakota >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From cliffwoodroffe at hotmail.com Wed Nov 29 02:32:17 2006 From: cliffwoodroffe at hotmail.com (Clifford Woodroffe) Date: Wed Nov 29 02:32:32 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] A question References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45> <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp> <456B61DF.8020703@welho.com><002401c71280$15809290$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> <456B93A1.4030505@welho.com> Message-ID: I don't think it was a silly question at all. When I was on the island I was lucky enough to meet the chap whose job it was to bring St Helena's laws up to date (lovely fellow though his name escapes me). He was having a mare of a time wondering whether the multitudinous European edicts were applicable to the island. Clifford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Tuominen" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A question > Yes, you are right. My question was a bit silly, as it is all explained > for instance here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_their_relations_with_the_EU#Overseas_countries_and_territories_.28OCTs.29 > Very complicated. > Juki > > > Rolf Weijburg kirjoitti: >> All I know is that Nouvelle Cal?donie, and Tahiti (i.e French Polynesia) >> are n?t part of the EU, they ar Overseas territories. Guadeloupe, >> Martinique and French Guyana being Overseas Departments ?re however, like >> Spanish Canaries and Portuguese Madeira and Azores. >> Look on the map of your Euro notes and you'll see them included in little >> inserts in the lower left. >> Rolf >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Tuominen" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:08 PM >> Subject: [STHELENA] A question >> >> >>> Is St Helena "an EU member" or "a part of the EU", in the same way as >>> the French overseas territories such as Nouvelle Cal?donie, R?union, >>> Guyana Fran?aise, Tahiti, Guadeloupe, etc. are? Or is it not, is it >>> rather like Isle of Man or the Channel Islands? Does anyone know? >>> Thanks for your attention. The conversation here alone justifies the >>> existence of the Internet! >>> Juki >>> Correspondent in the Baltic area >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jon (whe else?) kirjoitti: >>>> As always John you are the voice of reason and sanity when it comes to >>>> responses on this list. >>>> I do sometimes wonder though about what the policies (if any) are of >>>> the British Government. Headlines in the London Evening Standard like >>>> "Only 1 in 3 Londoners born in UK" sometimes make me wonder if >>>> Britain's open door policy needs to be reviewed. In the last 5 years >>>> so many of my colleagues have emigrated abroad, that it has got to the >>>> stage where I am beginning to think about it. There is always a >>>> predictable pattern. >>>> A colleague of mine started by moving out of London to the countryside >>>> to try and provide a better standard of living for his family. The >>>> local community where he has moved to saw him (and others like him) as >>>> a threat to their rural ideal (I'm sure the same fears could be felt on >>>> St Helena if there wasn't some sort of control) so for quite some time >>>> he was still an "outsider" Ultimately my colleague realised that >>>> despite having moved from London he is still resident in a country with >>>> little regard for immigration control, so he decides to emigrate with >>>> his family to some where better such as Australia. He then spends in >>>> excess of ?10,000 arranging his families emigration. >>>> My colleague was lucky, he is a policeman, and walked straight into a >>>> job with the Queensland Police Force. He had the job before leaving >>>> for Australia and this sped up his application making it much easier >>>> and quicker for him. However he was told throughout the whole process >>>> that he residency in Australia will subject to continuous review for a >>>> period of upto 10 years (however as a policeman he unlikely to >>>> experience any problems) >>>> Australia is an attractive place for many people to try and emigrate >>>> to. St Helena doesn't have all of the modern "taken for granted" >>>> conveniences of Australia, so is unlikely to be on top of the list for >>>> people to emigrate to unless there is a family connection with the >>>> island or some other reason. However, St Helena is part of the United >>>> Kingdom, and that could be used by today's economic migrants (a >>>> horrible term, but one that is so true) as a means to gain entry to the >>>> UK. Therefore I agree with the need for some sort of immigration >>>> control even if only to protect the local population of the island. >>>> However if some one is financial solvent and has skills that could be >>>> of benefit to the Island, I don't see the need to frustrate an >>>> application to settle on St Helena. >>>> Whilst I accept that every country has some sort of immigration >>>> control, I feel that Britain's is either way to soft (and subsequently >>>> too generous) in a lot of instances or far too complicated/hard in >>>> others. I do not profess to having all the answers. Like so many >>>> other people in other countries I just have to live with their >>>> governments policy. One day Britain's may improve! >>>> Jon >>>> Dingey East London Correspondent >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Manager, Bank of St. Helena >>>> >>>> *To:* 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >>>> Atlantic(Eng)' >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2006 12:22 PM >>>> *Subject:* FW: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >>>> >>>> Every nation on the planet has some restrictions on immigration, >>>> largely as a mechanism to distinguish the "gold digger" from those >>>> who "are keen to contribute to the growth and longevity" of the >>>> nation concerned. I presume your complaint is not that these >>>> restrictions exist - if it were then you would be being somewhat >>>> unrealistic. >>>> In St. Helena at the moment these policies are under review, >>>> largely because that which made sense before the airport was >>>> announced may not make sense in the airport era. I assume your >>>> complaint is that things are backlogged during this review. All I >>>> can say is I'm sure the review will be completed as quickly as >>>> possible given the sensitivities involved, so please be patient. >>>> St. Helena has a long history of welcoming newcomers. After all, >>>> if you look from a perspective of just over 500 years ago, >>>> everyone here is a newcomer! >>>> JT >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] >>>> *On Behalf Of *lizaevans@aol.com >>>> *Sent:* 27 November 2006 11:46 >>>> *To:* list@sthelena.se >>>> *Subject:* [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 29, Issue 24 >>>> >>>> Actually I WOULD like to live on St Helena with or without and >>>> airport but the red tape that currently exists for "foreigners" >>>> does not make this an easy option -namely visas, working and >>>> buying a home. Incidentally I am not a "gold digger" and would be >>>> happy to move immediately if the above issues could be ironed >>>> out. There needs to be a change in policy to accommodate genuine >>>> folk like myself who are keen to contribute to the growth and >>>> longevity of the island. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.18/554 - Release Date: >>>> 27/11/2006 13:40 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter >> 375 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. >> Download de gratis SPAMfighter vandaag nog! >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Wed Nov 29 02:34:46 2006 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Wed Nov 29 02:35:02 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] What book?? In-Reply-To: <002d01c71353$163788a0$461ef304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213EC82C@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> John, The landing steps were improved the last time I was home, which was in December/January 2003. I had gotten my feet wet before that though and been forced into near splits when, with one foot on the step, one foot still in the boat the water drops way down. I hope you get to visit again. Tessa ________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:10 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What book?? Hi Tessa: They've added a higher pad to the landing steps now. It wasn't there on my second visit in 1987. You have no idea how tricky it is to land at those steps, with the swells going up and down, and to pull your rubber dinghy out of the water behind you. You can't leave it in the water because there's no calm place to tie it up. And getting it back in the water is a hoot, too, because--as you have obviously read already--as you put it in the water, the swell inevitably drops, so you step into the place where the dinghy used to be, only it isn't there any more, it's five feet down, and then it's suddenly coming up to meet you as you're flying down. Of all the things St. Helena needs, a safe harbor tops the list, long before an airport. Well, that's my humble and biased opinion, anyhow. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa M. Hughley To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] What book?? Small Boat to Freedom - A Journey of Conscience to a New Life in America by John Vigor. I have my copy in hand and am very excited to begin the journey. John, your description of landing on the steps is hilarious! (I went right to the St. Helena bits but will of course read the entire book) :-) Tessa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/a8c571a7/attachment-0001.htm From ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au Wed Nov 29 02:39:45 2006 From: ghenesh_49 at optusnet.com.au (Terry Herbert) Date: Wed Nov 29 02:39:56 2006 Subject: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <000b01c71351$09fb6ea0$461ef304@fmk4n> Message-ID: <200611290139.kAT1dkJM019407@mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au> Anne?s Place was closed when we were there in July and although it re-opened (I think her daughter was running it?) I saw a note in St Helena Herald a month or two later that it was closed until further notice. I gather Anne was going off-island. There is a new Chinese/Indonesian restaurant ? The Lemon Tree that had only opened a week or two before we got there. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:55 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena Hi Martin: Yes the weather's back-to-front this year. We rarely get snow, let alone 15 inches in one night. Took me 45 minutes to dig the car out this morning and the freeway was a parking lot. Cars off to the side everywhere, drivers just abandoning them and walking home, or to the nearest hotel. Anne's Place is still going strong. We first met Anne in 1987 when we were there in our own yacht, and we met her again earlier this year. She's limping a little, but doing fine. She has guest books going back more than 20 years filled with messages, sketches, and photographs from the 180 or more yachts that stop at the island every year--her place is a veritable Post Office Stone in the sense of the old square riggers. We added our message this time, 19 years after the fact. We didn't want to leave any traces in 1987 because we were smuggling gold. But we felt braver this time. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Welfeld" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena > Well, its 65F in Chicago on November 28! Watch out for those flying pigs! > > Sorry about the bad weather John, ours has had an extreme move in the other > direction. > > I have fond and warm memories of St. Helena also, but they tend to include > Ann's Place when a couple of large sailing yachts were stopping at SH. > Sailing a long distance promotes the desire to party! > > Marty Welfeld > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John and June Vigor" > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:57:00 -0800 > > Hi Nissa: > > Yes, the reviews for that book were very good, the one from the Washington > Times in particular. But strangely enough, the travel genre is not as > popular today among readers as it once was. If good reviews automatically > translated into money in the bank, I'd be heading out for more time in St. > Helena and another long trip on the RMS before she disappears. > > Incidentally, it's feeling a bit like North Dakota in Western Washington > right now. We had 15 inches of snow the night before last and it's 15?F > right now in Bellingham. The Garden Flat, in Cambrian House, on St. Helena, > with its one acre of beautiful tropical flowers, trees, and vegetables, is > but a warm memory. > > Best wishes, and happy reading! > > John V. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nissa Nystrom" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > > > > A note to John Vigor, > > > > Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my > > interest. Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line > > to get more information. I love a good book. What I > > read about it on-line prompted me also to order a copy > > through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating > > and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover > > with jacket, used but in new condition. The fact that > > it was written by a member of the list makes it even > > more intriguing. I am looking forward to reading it! > > Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have > > both finished it. =-) Have a great day! > > > > Nissa Nystrom > > Fargo, North Dakota > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From jvigor at earthlink.net Wed Nov 29 05:30:43 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Wed Nov 29 05:29:44 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: Cambrian House References: <7A91A47B3B43D34D985936BD7C8ED9213EC82F@bpmcexch2.wcbcorps.com> Message-ID: <001801c7136f$237646c0$2c96f204@fmk4n> Tessa, we saw Nick Thorpe on several occasions but never had the privilege of meeting him. We did, however, become firm friends with his sons Edward and Henry. Lovely people, all of them. Edward, in particular, went out of his way to make our stay on the island as pleasant as possible. We'll never forget the day he and Henry, members of the SH Nature Conservation Group, led us on a walk to the Heart-Shaped Waterfall. We knew it was something out of the ordinary when they arrived with machetes and bow saws in their backpacks. It was like a scene from a Tarzan movie as they hacked a path through the dense jungle at the bottom of the valley, mostly a tangle of wild mangoes. I've never seen anything like it before. It was an experience (and quite a testing one physically for a pair of city slickers like June and me) that we'll not forget in a hurry. Our young guides just galloped along like mountain goats, of course. I have to say the effort was worth it. The bowl of the waterfall was just gorgeous. The trek they shared with us so generously was very special, almost a pilgrimage, as it lies quite close to The Briars, where Napoleon stayed at the beginning of his incarceration. It was a secret place on a secret island. Edward also used to bring us jugs of crystal-clear water from the natural spring at Cason's, which we appreciated greatly. It's free to collect, and made us wonder why anybody would buy the bottles of imported water on sale in the supermarket. Everybody remarks on how friendly the Saints are, but that seems a totally inadequate description of the hospitality you experience when you visit the island. At first I thought the nickname "Saints" was very strange, if not a little precious, but it didn't take me long to realise that it's actually very apt and well deserved. They are saints. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa M. Hughley To: jvigor@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Cambrian House Hi John, If you stayed at Cambrian House (The cottage), you must know Nick Thorpe. He is a very dear friend of mine and a lovely person. I am hoping to go back sometime in 2007. Normally this Christmas would be my time to go (every two or three years) but I've gotten off schedule. That beautiful quote of your's has certainly invigorated the list. Thank you!! Tessa Tessa Hughley BPM Senior Living Company 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, Oregon 97209 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061128/c2848027/attachment.htm From emutech16 at tiscali.co.uk Wed Nov 29 07:49:24 2006 From: emutech16 at tiscali.co.uk (Jon (whe else?)) Date: Wed Nov 29 07:49:38 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Getting ashore.....was(The Airport, and the loss of the Pot of Gold) References: <200611281933.kASJXH77022519@mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <009b01c71382$8b06bfa0$71162f50@megitl89agohfp> I have these DVD's, they are great. They were posted from the UK rather than from St Helena, which probably speeds up delivery times. Jon Dingey East London Correspondent > Those DVDs by Darrin and Sharon Henry advertised on their Capricorn site > http://www.capricorn-studios.com/ are well worth getting. Excellent > photography. And you'll be supporting a St Helena business if you order > them. > > All the best > > Terry Herbert From manager at sainthelenabank.com Wed Nov 29 09:44:35 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Wed Nov 29 09:45:38 2006 Subject: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <200611290139.kAT1dkJM019407@mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <006201c71392$9c424450$2d0b000a@shgbank45> Don't despair - Anne's place is just having a refit. It will be open again soon. JT -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Terry Herbert Sent: 29 November 2006 01:40 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena Anne?s Place was closed when we were there in July and although it re-opened (I think her daughter was running it?) I saw a note in St Helena Herald a month or two later that it was closed until further notice. I gather Anne was going off-island. There is a new Chinese/Indonesian restaurant ? The Lemon Tree that had only opened a week or two before we got there. All the best Terry Herbert DONCASTER EAST VIC 3109, Australia -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John and June Vigor Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:55 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena Hi Martin: Yes the weather's back-to-front this year. We rarely get snow, let alone 15 inches in one night. Took me 45 minutes to dig the car out this morning and the freeway was a parking lot. Cars off to the side everywhere, drivers just abandoning them and walking home, or to the nearest hotel. Anne's Place is still going strong. We first met Anne in 1987 when we were there in our own yacht, and we met her again earlier this year. She's limping a little, but doing fine. She has guest books going back more than 20 years filled with messages, sketches, and photographs from the 180 or more yachts that stop at the island every year--her place is a veritable Post Office Stone in the sense of the old square riggers. We added our message this time, 19 years after the fact. We didn't want to leave any traces in 1987 because we were smuggling gold. But we felt braver this time. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Welfeld" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena > Well, its 65F in Chicago on November 28! Watch out for those flying pigs! > > Sorry about the bad weather John, ours has had an extreme move in the other > direction. > > I have fond and warm memories of St. Helena also, but they tend to > include Ann's Place when a couple of large sailing yachts were stopping at SH. > Sailing a long distance promotes the desire to party! > > Marty Welfeld > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John and June Vigor" > Reply-To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Subject: Re: [STHELENA]A visit to St. Helena > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:57:00 -0800 > > Hi Nissa: > > Yes, the reviews for that book were very good, the one from the > Washington Times in particular. But strangely enough, the travel genre > is not as popular today among readers as it once was. If good reviews > automatically translated into money in the bank, I'd be heading out for more time in St. > Helena and another long trip on the RMS before she disappears. > > Incidentally, it's feeling a bit like North Dakota in Western > Washington right now. We had 15 inches of snow the night before last > and it's 15?F right now in Bellingham. The Garden Flat, in Cambrian House, on St. Helena, > with its one acre of beautiful tropical flowers, trees, and > vegetables, is but a warm memory. > > Best wishes, and happy reading! > > John V. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nissa Nystrom" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] (no subject) > > > > A note to John Vigor, > > > > Talk between you and Tessa of your book peaked my > interest. > Tessa gave me the title and I went on-line > to get more information. > I love a good book. What I > read about it on-line prompted me also > to order a copy > through Barnes & Noble. You have led a fascinating > > and courageous life! I was able to find a hardcover > with jacket, > used but in new condition. The fact that > it was written by a > member of the list makes it even > more intriguing. I am looking > forward to reading it! > > Tessa and I will probably discuss it after we have > both finished > it. =-) Have a great day! > > > > Nissa Nystrom > > Fargo, North Dakota > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From manager at sainthelenabank.com Wed Nov 29 09:48:48 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Wed Nov 29 09:49:51 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006901c71393$32d83960$2d0b000a@shgbank45> I believe it is still operating, but only issues every 6 months or so. The local link is the Y&T Enterprizes (sic) shop, and I've emailed Vanessa to find new links for you. JT _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Herbote@aol.com Sent: 28 November 2006 18:37 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Dear Friends, Do you know whether the St. Helena Catalogue is a dead issue? www.sthcatalogue.net The email address does not work and the last edition is from 2004. Any idea? Thank you and best wishes Burkhard Herbote Editor, WorldTourismDirectory.com Herbote International Research Walkerberg 20 59269 Beckum, Germany Tel: ++49 (0) 2521 823333 Fax: ++49 (0) 2521 823334 editor@worldtourismdirectory.com www.worldtourismdirectory.com Skype: herbote The (c) WorldTourismDirectory.com is the world's most comprehensive tourism information online directory for the international travel community and the traveling consumer, who both rely on the accuracy of its content. Country by country source of all international, national, regional, local tourism authorities, associations and organizations, travel services, corporations and travel and tourism media, government information sources, tourism investment agencies, non-profit organizations and much more. It also has the most comprehensive listing of international associations, organizations and services in travel and tourism. A service by www.herbote.com Our further reference publication is the Directory of German-International Relations, available at www.laenderkontakte.de __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you very much and kind greetings from Germany Best regards Burkhard Herbote In einer eMail vom 29.11.2006 09:50:21 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit schreibt manager@sainthelenabank.com: I believe it is still operating, but only issues every 6 months or so. The local link is the Y&T Enterprizes (sic) shop, and I've emailed Vanessa to find new links for you. JT ____________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Herbote@aol.com Sent: 28 November 2006 18:37 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Dear Friends, Do you know whether the St. Helena Catalogue is a dead issue? _www.sthcatalogue.net_ (http://www.sthcatalogue.net/) The email address does not work and the last edition is from 2004. Any idea? Thank you and best wishes Burkhard Herbote Editor, WorldTourismDirectory.com Herbote International Research Walkerberg 20 59269 Beckum, Germany Tel: ++49 (0) 2521 823333 Fax: ++49 (0) 2521 823334 editor@worldtourismdirectory.com _www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com/) Skype: herbote The (c) WorldTourismDirectory.com is the world's most comprehensive tourism information online directory for the international travel community and the traveling consumer, who both rely on the accuracy of its content. Country by country source of all international, national, regional, local tourism authorities, associations and organizations, travel services, corporations and travel and tourism media, government information sources, tourism investment agencies, non-profit organizations and much more. It also has the most comprehensive listing of international associations, organizations and services in travel and tourism. A service by _www.herbote.com_ (http://www.herbote.com/) Our further reference publication is the Directory of German-International Relations, available at _www.laenderkontakte.de_ (http://www.laenderkontakte.de/) __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. _http://www.eset.com_ (http://www.eset.com/) The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061129/b989da45/attachment.htm From philip.myrtle at ashmole.org.uk Wed Nov 29 17:03:29 2006 From: philip.myrtle at ashmole.org.uk (ashmoles) Date: Wed Nov 29 17:04:09 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Fw: Prosperous Bay Plain and endemic invertebrates Message-ID: <00b301c713cf$f0fd0420$51589356@user6a472e7d3e> ----- Original Message ----- From: ashmoles To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Prosperous Bay Plain and endemic invertebrates Prosperous Bay Plain, the proposed airport site, is a fascinating area from the point of view of biologists. It is especially important for endemic invertebrate species, several of which live there and nowhere else on the island. If you want to find out more about this go to www.kidstonmill.org.uk . On this site you will find the report on the Invertebrates of PBP that we submitted to St Helena Government two years ago. Also (in case you are interested) our guide to the invertebrates of PBP is now also on the website. I see a lot of talk about books. In case anyone out there has an interest in the biology, geology, geography etc of the island, don?t forget our book ?St Helena and Ascension Island; a natural history? by Philip and Myrtle Ashmole ? again see our website. Cheers Myrtle Ashmole *************************************************************************** Philip and Myrtle Ashmole, Kidston Mill, Peebles EH45 8PH, UK. email: philip.myrtle@ashmole.org.uk web site: www.kidstonmill.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061129/dc8f63c1/attachment.htm From thomas at flyingkettle.com Wed Nov 29 16:14:50 2006 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Wed Nov 29 17:15:15 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Natural History of St Helena (presumably a spam) In-Reply-To: <013f01c713d0$f2ad08a0$51589356@user6a472e7d3e> References: <013f01c713d0$f2ad08a0$51589356@user6a472e7d3e> Message-ID: <456DB1FA.17142.5D600D@thomas.flyingkettle.com> On 29 Nov 2006 at 16:10, ashmoles wrote: > It is a very special place from the point of view of endemic invertebrates. Yes. It's also a very special place from the point of view of facilitating modern human life upon the island in the future, because that is the only practicable place to build an airport. And I think that people come before squishy-squashies. Thomas Goodey *************************************** To surrender was not even thought of - better by far to die a clean death. There could not be any question of pardon or sentence to mere imprisonment... for the strife between Civilization and Boskonia in no way resembled the wars between fundamentally similar and friendly countries which Terra knew so frequently of old. It was a galaxy-wide struggle for survival between two diametrically opposed, mutually exclusive, and absolutely incompatible cultures; a duel to the death in which quarter was neither asked nor given; a conflict which was and had to be one of ruthless, complete, and utter extinction... ..........First Lensman, by E. E. Smith From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Nov 30 16:18:11 2006 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Nov 30 16:19:24 2006 Subject: FW: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Message-ID: <001c01c71492$c33b1b80$2d0b000a@shgbank45> _____ From: Y & T Enterprizes Sent: 30 November 2006 15:14 To: Manager, Bank of St. Helena Subject: RE: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Dear John The email has been forwarded to the editor Brian Frederick in the UK. The last edition of the catalogue was August 2006 but I am not sure why the website hasn't been updated. Brian should be able to explain. Many Thanks Vanessa -----Original Message----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena Sent: 29 November 2006 08:48 To: yandtenterprizes Subject: FW: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Vanessa, I thought you might want to see this. If you send me updated details I can post them to this group. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Herbote@aol.com Sent: 28 November 2006 18:37 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Dear Friends, Do you know whether the St. Helena Catalogue is a dead issue? www.sthcatalogue.net The email address does not work and the last edition is from 2004. Any idea? Thank you and best wishes Burkhard Herbote Editor, WorldTourismDirectory.com Herbote International Research Walkerberg 20 59269 Beckum, Germany Tel: ++49 (0) 2521 823333 Fax: ++49 (0) 2521 823334 editor@worldtourismdirectory.com www.worldtourismdirectory.com Skype: herbote The (c) WorldTourismDirectory.com is the world's most comprehensive tourism information online directory for the international travel community and the traveling consumer, who both rely on the accuracy of its content. Country by country source of all international, national, regional, local tourism authorities, associations and organizations, travel services, corporations and travel and tourism media, government information sources, tourism investment agencies, non-profit organizations and much more. It also has the most comprehensive listing of international associations, organizations and services in travel and tourism. A service by www.herbote.com Our further reference publication is the Directory of German-International Relations, available at www.laenderkontakte.de __________ NOD32 1884 (20061127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _____ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Cable & Wireless St. Helena e-mail security system - powered by McAfee. _____ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Cable & Wireless St. Helena e-mail security system - powered by McAfee. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/e237cbb7/attachment.htm From Herbote at aol.com Thu Nov 30 16:37:14 2006 From: Herbote at aol.com (Herbote@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 30 16:37:45 2006 Subject: FW: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Message-ID: Dear Vanessa, This is strange. Not just the section with the information about the last edition isn't updated, also the email address at their website does not work and by calling the phone number an other number is confirmed (by an answering machine). The website looks like the complete project is a dead issue. Would you please advise the new, full, complete contact details of The Saint Helena Catalogue? Thank you very much! Burkhard Herbote In einer eMail vom 30.11.2006 16:20:43 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit schreibt manager@sainthelenabank.com: ____________________________________ From: Y & T Enterprizes Sent: 30 November 2006 15:14 To: Manager, Bank of St. Helena Subject: RE: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Dear John The email has been forwarded to the editor Brian Frederick in the UK. The last edition of the catalogue was August 2006 but I am not sure why the website hasn't been updated. Brian should be able to explain. Many Thanks Vanessa -----Original Message----- From: Manager, Bank of St. Helena Sent: 29 November 2006 08:48 To: yandtenterprizes Subject: FW: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Vanessa, I thought you might want to see this. If you send me updated details I can post them to this group. Regards, John Turner Manager, Bank of St. Helena _www.SaintHelenaBank.com_ (http://www.sainthelenabank.com/) Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, Island of St. Helena. Tel: +290 2044; Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ____________________________________ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Herbote@aol.com Sent: 28 November 2006 18:37 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Dear Friends, Do you know whether the St. Helena Catalogue is a dead issue? _www.sthcatalogue.net_ (http://www.sthcatalogue.net/) The email address does not work and the last edition is from 2004. Any idea? Thank you and best wishes Burkhard Herbote Editor, WorldTourismDirectory.com Herbote International Research Walkerberg 20 59269 Beckum, Germany Tel: ++49 (0) 2521 823333 Fax: ++49 (0) 2521 823334 editor@worldtourismdirectory.com _www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com/) Skype: herbote The (c) WorldTourismDirectory.com is the world's most comprehensive tourism information online directory for the international travel community and the traveling consumer, who both rely on the accuracy of its content. Country by country source of all international, national, regional, local tourism authorities, associations and organizations, travel services, corporations and travel and tourism media, government information sources, tourism investment agencies, non-profit organizations and much more. It also has the most comprehensive listing of international associations, organizations and services in travel and tourism. A service by _www.herbote.com_ (http://www.herbote.com/) Our further reference publication is the Directory of German-International Relations, available at _www.laenderkontakte.de_ (http://www.laenderkontakte.de/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/a35787f0/attachment-0001.htm From IrvingDylan at aol.com Thu Nov 30 16:43:04 2006 From: IrvingDylan at aol.com (IrvingDylan@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 30 16:43:38 2006 Subject: FW: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Message-ID: How could anyone be so ignorant, but this town's hack has to hold his hands up. Please, anyone, what is the St Helena Catalogue? Irv-of-Cressroads -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/9dbcecbd/attachment.htm From Herbote at aol.com Thu Nov 30 16:55:37 2006 From: Herbote at aol.com (Herbote@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 30 16:55:57 2006 Subject: FW: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Message-ID: <306.26ea3904.32a058f9@aol.com> _www.shlcatalogue.net_ (http://www.shlcatalogue.net) - but maybe that one is dead ???? Regards Burkhard Herbote In einer eMail vom 30.11.2006 16:44:02 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit schreibt IrvingDylan@aol.com: How could anyone be so ignorant, but this town's hack has to hold his hands up. Please, anyone, what is the St Helena Catalogue? Irv-of-Cressroads -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/dd6d55db/attachment.htm From IrvingDylan at aol.com Thu Nov 30 17:05:09 2006 From: IrvingDylan at aol.com (IrvingDylan@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 30 17:05:29 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re. St Helena Catalogue ... Message-ID: <587.f10d553.32a05b35@aol.com> ... and its has come to light the Catalogue is no more? Irv-of-Cressroads -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/b41704db/attachment.htm From Herbote at aol.com Thu Nov 30 17:16:50 2006 From: Herbote at aol.com (Herbote@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 30 17:17:24 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] Re. St Helena Catalogue ... Message-ID: In einer eMail vom 30.11.2006 17:06:14 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit schreibt IrvingDylan@aol.com: ... and its has come to light the Catalogue is no more? Irv-of-Cressroads I don't know. I have asked the same, but two people said it is still existing, but it seams the website is not updated. No idea why? Please follow the correspondence posted to this group since few days ago. I can not say more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/7917b6d7/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Thu Nov 30 19:30:39 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Thu Nov 30 19:29:36 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue References: Message-ID: <002101c714ad$a4d3f340$4602f304@fmk4n> Burkhard: I have on my desk at this moment a copy of the St. Helena Catalogue of February 2006. Is there anything in it that I can look up for you? Cheers, John V. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/8844a00c/attachment.htm From Herbote at aol.com Thu Nov 30 19:34:33 2006 From: Herbote at aol.com (Herbote@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 30 19:34:54 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Message-ID: John, yes, thank you! If there is some kind of imprint, so the contact details of the publisher/editor, I am looking for the most up-to-date postal address, phone/fax numbers, email and website address. (Maybe I did just found an old website and beside they have an other, more up-to-date one?) Thank you for your assistance! Kind regards from Germany Burkhard Editor of _www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com) - have a look In einer eMail vom 30.11.2006 19:30:25 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit schreibt jvigor@earthlink.net: Burkhard: I have on my desk at this moment a copy of the St. Helena Catalogue of February 2006. Is there anything in it that I can look up for you? Cheers, John V. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/43c17f1b/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Thu Nov 30 20:18:06 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Thu Nov 30 20:17:28 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue References: Message-ID: <004201c714b4$52abad40$8905f304@fmk4n> Burkhard: Here is the information from the catalog: It's published (or was published) quarterly in February, May, August and November. Subscriptions: Five pounds for the next four editions including UK postage; seven pounds Europe; nine pounds other destinations. Cheques/postal orders made payable to St. Helena Catalogue, to 33 Birch Close, Broom, Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, SG18 9NR Editor: Brian Frederick Production Editor and Advertising: Dianne Peters -- both same address as above. Telephone: 01767 313892 Fax: 01767 316597 e-mail: bfred@rmplc.co.uk Web site: www.shlcatalogue.net Published by Hertfordshire Associates, copyright 2000. Price one pound. Printed by Minuteman Press, Milton Keynes. Telephone: 01908 675000 Good luck, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: Herbote@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue John, yes, thank you! If there is some kind of imprint, so the contact details of the publisher/editor, I am looking for the most up-to-date postal address, phone/fax numbers, email and website address. (Maybe I did just found an old website and beside they have an other, more up-to-date one?) Thank you for your assistance! Kind regards from Germany Burkhard Editor of www.worldtourismdirectory.com - have a look -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/5064f55c/attachment.htm From cagaden at northnet.com.au Thu Nov 30 20:10:15 2006 From: cagaden at northnet.com.au (Caroline Gaden) Date: Thu Nov 30 20:23:45 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] The immigrant to escape immigration References: <001201c7121e$c653fba0$2d0b000a@shgbank45>, <006201c71255$11489cc0$ca3b2f50@megitl89agohfp>, <456B44A6.2050306@bigfoot.com> <456B4A7E.1659.2A4ECF@thomas.flyingkettle.com> Message-ID: <014001c714b5$02b39c70$a960543a@Caroline> Poms are more than welcome in Australia... even though their cricket skills need more Yorkshiremen of the Trueman variety Cheers Caroline Ex Yorkshire lass who has been welcomes Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Goodey" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:28 AM Subject: [STHELENA] The immigrant to escape immigration > On 27 Nov 2006 at 21:03, Reino Bauer wrote: > >> > he is still resident in a country with little regard for >> > immigration control, so he decides to emigrate >> > with his family to some where better such as Australia. He then >> > spends in excess of 10,000 arranging his families emigration. > >> Just to be an immigrant like those he ran away from ? > > Although the post does seem somewhat paradoxical, there is actually a > strong > logic to it. What he (the policeman, as reported) does not specify, out of > delicacy for some people's susceptibilities, is that his basic desire is > to > avoid non-white immigrants - that's the coded meaning of "immigration > control". > So he is fleeing to Australia, a predominantly white country. It is true > that > from the local's point of view he will be a despised Pom, but the mutual > dislike will be much less, than in the situation he is leaving. > > Thomas Goodey > > *************************************** > To surrender was not even thought of - better by far > to die a clean death. There could not be any > question of pardon or sentence to mere > imprisonment... for the strife between Civilization > and Boskonia in no way resembled the wars > between fundamentally similar and friendly > countries which Terra knew so frequently of old. It > was a galaxy-wide struggle for survival between two > diametrically opposed, mutually exclusive, and > absolutely incompatible cultures; a duel to the > death in which quarter was neither asked nor given; > a conflict which was and had to be one of ruthless, > complete, and utter extinction... > > ..........First Lensman, by E. E. Smith > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: > 25/11/2006 > > From jvigor at earthlink.net Thu Nov 30 20:25:19 2006 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Thu Nov 30 20:24:13 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue References: Message-ID: <008101c714b5$4729b420$8905f304@fmk4n> Burkhard: The Web site I gave you in my last post is correct. It works. I think you may have had a "Q" in place of a "G" in the word catalogue. This works for me: www.shlcatalogue.net Cheers, John V. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/bc99dff5/attachment.htm From Herbote at aol.com Thu Nov 30 20:32:05 2006 From: Herbote at aol.com (Herbote@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 30 20:32:40 2006 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Catalogue Message-ID: Thank you, also for your other email on the imprint data! I tried again the telephone number and I spoke to the wife of the Editor Brian Frederik. The number is the private number. The number advised is an office number. If one is calling the office number and there is nobody in, the call is forwarded to the home number. If nobody is at home, the answering machine is advising an other number and the person calling does not know whether he/she is right.... The email address is no more bfred@.... it is brian.frederik@..., but it is not published at the website.... The website works. But it is not updated since 2 years because the person in charge moved back to St Helena and nobody is care about so far. They obviously are not aware about the "danger" everybody visiting the website and find the info "last edition November 2004" - automatic expect the publication is stopped. But it is not. They simply does not know how to update their website. It is a simple know how problem, but can result into huge problems, because international publishers/researchers will delete them from their related lists.... Thank you for your help! Burkhard Herbote, Germany In einer eMail vom 30.11.2006 20:24:48 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit schreibt jvigor@earthlink.net: Burkhard: The Web site I gave you in my last post is correct. It works. I think you may have had a "Q" in place of a "G" in the word catalogue. This works for me: _www.shlcatalogue.net_ (http://www.shlcatalogue.net/) Cheers, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20061130/7af48aec/attachment.htm