From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Fri Nov 4 17:27:19 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Nov 4 17:28:58 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New St Helena newspaper In-Reply-To: <003c01c5d9d3$42626a40$3f62543a@hppav> Message-ID: <000001c5e15c$ac3eba00$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Further to the earlier discussion about internet access to "The Herald", SaintFM today announced that it is launching its own internet-based newspaper, The St.?Helena Independent, which will be available free via their website. Regards, John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. 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From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Fri Nov 4 17:27:19 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Nov 4 17:29:00 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New St Helena newspaper In-Reply-To: <003c01c5d9d3$42626a40$3f62543a@hppav> Message-ID: <000101c5e15c$ae763370$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Further to the earlier discussion about internet access to "The Herald", SaintFM today announced that it is launching its own internet-based newspaper, The St.?Helena Independent, which will be available free via their website. Regards, John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. 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From Larry.Klem at andrew.com Fri Nov 4 19:11:50 2005 From: Larry.Klem at andrew.com (Klem, Larry) Date: Fri Nov 4 19:12:07 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New St Helena newspaper Message-ID: <413616772459A34F9A39ED253F42B3C601BBAFDB@adtxexch1.andrew.com> John, thanks for the update- Is there a web address or will it be listed on the home page? klem in texas -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of John Turner, Manager,Bank of St. Helena Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 10:27 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: [STHELENA] New St Helena newspaper Further to the earlier discussion about internet access to "The Herald", SaintFM today announced that it is launching its own internet-based newspaper, The St.?Helena Independent, which will be available free via their website. Regards, John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of this email is prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [mf2] From PLaudano at Fondelec.com Mon Nov 7 18:11:48 2005 From: PLaudano at Fondelec.com (Peter Laudano) Date: Mon Nov 7 18:12:30 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule Message-ID: <000701c5e3be$56d554c0$3501f80a@IBM7F6A26D871B> I saw the new RMS schedule today and have to say that I am disappointed. While the new schedule may provide better service to Saints, it does little to promote tourism among those of us who have less than a month's vacation time available. Specifically, I had hoped for (and suggested to AWS) that there be some occasional shuttle trips between Ascension and St. Helena during typical vacation periods. This would allow people to visit St. Helena (via RAF Flights to Ascension) within a 2 week vacation period. The RMS had this type of schedule once in December of 2004, but has never repeated it. The new RMS schedule would allow only a 2 day visit to St. Helena for someone wanting to travel by this method. Barring a financial windfall coupled with an extended period of unemployment, it doesn't seem that I will be able to visit St. Helena before the airport is completed. Peter Laudano -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051107/3831de5e/attachment.htm From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Mon Nov 7 20:32:04 2005 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Mon Nov 7 20:32:10 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New St Helena newspaper In-Reply-To: <413616772459A34F9A39ED253F42B3C601BBAFDB@adtxexch1.andrew.com> References: <413616772459A34F9A39ED253F42B3C601BBAFDB@adtxexch1.andrew.com> Message-ID: <436FABB4.1000504@inhouse.co.uk> Here: http://www.saint.fm/Independent/index.htm first edition on the 11th Steve Klem, Larry wrote: >John, thanks for the update- Is there a web address or will it be listed on the home page? > >klem in texas > >-----Original Message----- >From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >Behalf Of John Turner, Manager,Bank of St. Helena >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 10:27 AM >To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' >Subject: [STHELENA] New St Helena newspaper > > >Further to the earlier discussion about internet access to "The Herald", >SaintFM today announced that it is launching its own internet-based >newspaper, The St. Helena Independent, which will be available free via >their website. > >Regards, >John Turner >Manager >Bank of St. Helena >www.SaintHelenaBank.com >Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. >Tel: +290 2044 >Fax: +290 2196 >NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are >those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. >This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for >the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication >privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you >received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any >review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or >any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly >prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in >error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the >communication. Thank you. > > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >This message is for the designated recipient only and may >contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. >If you have received it in error, please notify the sender >immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of >this email is prohibited. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >[mf2] > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Tue Nov 8 09:44:03 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Nov 8 09:45:26 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule In-Reply-To: <000701c5e3be$56d554c0$3501f80a@IBM7F6A26D871B> Message-ID: <002601c5e440$96a80200$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Peter (and all), I'm not convinced that the schedule provides "better service to Saints" either. When I arrived here (January this year) the ship operated to a (broadly) monthly cycle. That meant there was a regular supply of mail, fresh food and tourists, all of which are necessary to keep the island going. Sending the ship off to the UK interrupts this, for no good reason that anyone has ever been able to give me. The only half-tangible explanation is that it costs less to bring a car from the UK on the RMS than to pay for transhipment (so why not send the ship to Japan then?). All the other explanations are purely emotional ("it always used to go to the UK" and "it helps maintain our connection with the UK" being some of the dafter ones I heard). At the 'consultation meeting' I attended, prior to drawing up the new schedule, the retailers and other business people present were unanimous that the ship should continue to operate only in the South Atlantic. But the 'general public' felt otherwise, and apparently their views hold sway. So, for the next two years at least, the ship will periodically wander off to the UK on a cultural jaunt and the local economy will pause to await its return. Whoever said democracy was a good idea? JT (personal, not Bank view) -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Peter Laudano Sent: 07 November 2005 17:12 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule I saw the new RMS schedule today and have to say that I am disappointed. While the new schedule may provide better service to Saints, it does little to promote tourism among those of us who have less than a month's vacation time available. Specifically, I had hoped for (and suggested to AWS) that there be some occasional shuttle trips between Ascension and St. Helena during typical vacation periods. This would allow people to visit St. Helena (via RAF Flights to Ascension) within a 2 week vacation period. The RMS had this type of schedule once in December of 2004, but has never repeated it. The new RMS schedule would allow only a 2 day visit to St. Helena for someone wanting to travel by this method. Barring a financial windfall coupled with an extended period of unemployment, it doesn't seem that I will be able to visit St. Helena before the airport is completed. Peter Laudano __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051108/7ce972fc/attachment.htm From cliffwoodroffe at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 01:12:44 2005 From: cliffwoodroffe at hotmail.com (Clifford Woodroffe) Date: Wed Nov 9 01:12:54 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule References: <002601c5e440$96a80200$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: MessageGod forbid that anyone should ever listen to the "general public" or take any note of their opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager,Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:44 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule Peter (and all), I'm not convinced that the schedule provides "better service to Saints" either. When I arrived here (January this year) the ship operated to a (broadly) monthly cycle. That meant there was a regular supply of mail, fresh food and tourists, all of which are necessary to keep the island going. Sending the ship off to the UK interrupts this, for no good reason that anyone has ever been able to give me. The only half-tangible explanation is that it costs less to bring a car from the UK on the RMS than to pay for transhipment (so why not send the ship to Japan then?). All the other explanations are purely emotional ("it always used to go to the UK" and "it helps maintain our connection with the UK" being some of the dafter ones I heard). At the 'consultation meeting' I attended, prior to drawing up the new schedule, the retailers and other business people present were unanimous that the ship should continue to operate only in the South Atlantic. But the 'general public' felt otherwise, and apparently their views hold sway. So, for the next two years at least, the ship will periodically wander off to the UK on a cultural jaunt and the local economy will pause to await its return. Whoever said democracy was a good idea? JT (personal, not Bank view) -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Peter Laudano Sent: 07 November 2005 17:12 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule I saw the new RMS schedule today and have to say that I am disappointed. While the new schedule may provide better service to Saints, it does little to promote tourism among those of us who have less than a month's vacation time available. Specifically, I had hoped for (and suggested to AWS) that there be some occasional shuttle trips between Ascension and St. Helena during typical vacation periods. This would allow people to visit St. Helena (via RAF Flights to Ascension) within a 2 week vacation period. The RMS had this type of schedule once in December of 2004, but has never repeated it. The new RMS schedule would allow only a 2 day visit to St. Helena for someone wanting to travel by this method. Barring a financial windfall coupled with an extended period of unemployment, it doesn't seem that I will be able to visit St. Helena before the airport is completed. Peter Laudano __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051114/02f90cf7/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Wed Nov 16 11:17:35 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Wed Nov 16 11:18:47 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Christmas on St. Helena Message-ID: <001201c5ea96$fac25180$0a0b000a@shgbank10> We are putting together another SaintFM Investigates, for broadcast early in December, on the subject of Christmas. If you have experienced Christmas on St. Helena and think there is anything peculiar about it that we could include in the programme please could you drop me an email (preferably direct to me, rather than on-list, so that the ideas are not published before the programme). I can't promise to use them all, but all suggestions will be greatly received. If you haven't heard one, SaintFM Investigates is a comedy programme that takes a sideways look at a particular subject. I can email you on request an MP3 file of the latest - SaintFM Investigates Music - but as it is 14Mb you will need broadband and a largish mailbox. Regards, JT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051116/ec411593/attachment.htm From dean.buletti at email.it Wed Nov 16 11:32:37 2005 From: dean.buletti at email.it (Dean Buletti) Date: Wed Nov 16 11:34:34 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Christmas on St. Helena In-Reply-To: <001201c5ea96$fac25180$0a0b000a@shgbank10> References: <001201c5ea96$fac25180$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <487FC48F-DF34-4F03-8108-EAEB78CAA0CA@email.it> Il giorno 16/nov/05, alle ore 11:17, John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena ha scritto: > If you haven't heard one, SaintFM Investigates is a comedy > programme that takes a sideways look at a particular subject. I > can email you on request an MP3 file of the latest - SaintFM > Investigates Music - but as it is 14Mb you will need broadband and > a largish mailbox. Why don't you simply upload it and put it in a webpage, so everyone can download... or try Podcast! Bye Dean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051116/cba1fc34/attachment.htm From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Wed Nov 16 18:16:16 2005 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Wed Nov 16 18:16:32 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Christmas on St. Helena In-Reply-To: <001201c5ea96$fac25180$0a0b000a@shgbank10> References: <001201c5ea96$fac25180$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <437B6960.2030403@inhouse.co.uk> Hi John, If you email me a copy of the mp3, I can make it available for download and email the list with the URL. Regards, Steve John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > We are putting together another SaintFM Investigates, for broadcast > early in December, on the subject of Christmas. > > If you have experienced Christmas on St. Helena and think there is > anything peculiar about it that we could include in the programme > please could you drop me an email (preferably direct to me, rather > than on-list, so that the ideas are not published before the programme). > > I can't promise to use them all, but all suggestions will be greatly > received. > > If you haven't heard one, SaintFM Investigates is a comedy programme > that takes a sideways look at a particular subject. I can email you > on request an MP3 file of the latest - SaintFM Investigates Music - > but as it is 14Mb you will need broadband and a largish mailbox. > > Regards, > JT > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 16/11/2005 > > From rcwilliams at netscape.ca Sun Nov 20 04:17:27 2005 From: rcwilliams at netscape.ca (CHRISTINE WILLIAMS) Date: Sun Nov 20 14:48:02 2005 Subject: Fw: [STHELENA] Anybody who recognize Lihou? Message-ID: i am christine lihou from canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051119/74d86b39/attachment.htm From lloydscott32 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 22 17:20:12 2005 From: lloydscott32 at hotmail.com (Lloyd Scott) Date: Tue Nov 22 17:20:44 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Birthday please Message-ID: <200511221620.jAMGKZFA023679@rex.kulturservern.se> Hi Click on the link below and please enter your birthday for me. I am creating a birthday list of all my friends and family. http://www.birthdayalarm.com/bd1/46048231a729496918b842408964c277564911d904 Many thanks Lloyd From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Fri Nov 25 13:30:40 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Nov 25 13:31:38 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone Message-ID: <000501c5f1bc$0edb0eb0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Does anyone know how you apply to register a new time zone? It occurs to me that we should register "Saint Helena Time" as an official timezone. It would be defined as: "GMT + about 15 minutes, or maybe more, depending on whether the ship is in" JT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051125/3bee1f88/attachment.htm From jvigor at earthlink.net Sat Nov 26 00:03:35 2005 From: jvigor at earthlink.net (John and June Vigor) Date: Sat Nov 26 00:03:08 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone References: <000501c5f1bc$0edb0eb0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <001b01c5f214$780b4780$c204f304@fmk4n> Message John, island time is the same everywhere in the world. I lived in Africa for 40 years and discovered that time is not counted in hours and minutes but in emotions and feelings. Don't be discouraged. St. Helena Time is not unique. What's more, you can count yourself lucky if St. Helena Time is within 15 minutes of real time. In some parts of the world, they think they're on time if they arrive within days, not minutes. And time, in any case, is flexible according to the needs of the beholder. As Faith Baldwin put it: "Time is a dressmaker specializing in alterations." Incidentally, congratulations on the success of St. Helena Youth Games, a very worthwhile project. It seems to have gone very well. Cheers, John V. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager,Bank of St. Helena To: List@Sthelena. Se Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:30 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone Does anyone know how you apply to register a new time zone? It occurs to me that we should register "Saint Helena Time" as an official timezone. It would be defined as: "GMT + about 15 minutes, or maybe more, depending on whether the ship is in" JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051125/5ffeb236/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Sat Nov 26 16:28:42 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (jcoyle@powerup.com.au) Date: Sat Nov 26 16:29:00 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone Message-ID: <20051126232842.fjyestuziegocko8@mymail.com.au> John, it takes some getting used to, I know! Just remember that a Saint will always either get there sometime, or apologise later for not making it, polite people as they are. And one has to remember that ship day is a day when not much else is going to happen anyway! Just imagine how it was after the Capetown Castle stopped calling, and there wasn't any ship at all for about three months. That ship day was something else! John Coyle Does anyone know how you apply to register a new time zone? It occurs to me that we should register "Saint Helena Time" as an official timezone. It would be defined as: "GMT + about 15 minutes, or maybe more, depending on whether the ship is in" ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using MyMail From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Sat Nov 26 19:40:21 2005 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Sat Nov 26 19:40:23 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone In-Reply-To: <000501c5f1bc$0edb0eb0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> References: <000501c5f1bc$0edb0eb0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <4388AC15.9030003@inhouse.co.uk> Hi John, It looks that until 1951 St. Helena did have it's own timezone. This is extract is taken from the timezone sources on one of my FreeBSD boxes: (it's best to show it in a fixed font) # St Helena # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Atlantic/St_Helena -0:22:48 - LMT 1890 # Jamestown -0:22:48 - JMT 1951 # Jamestown Mean Time 0:00 - GMT # The other parts of the St Helena territory are similar: # Tristan da Cunha: on GMT, say Whitman and the CIA # Ascension: on GMT, says usno1995 and the CIA # Gough (scientific station since 1955; sealers wintered previously): # on GMT, says the CIA # Inaccessible, Nightingale: no information, but probably GMT Public timezone files can be found here: (along with other information) http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm As to getting your own time zone recognised again, I not sure how to do that, but you could start by asking on the mailing list shown on the top of that page or maybe get in touch with the NPL (National Physics Laboratory) who are the keepers of time in the UK, they might be able to point you in the correct direction. http://www.npl.co.uk/time/ Good luck...... Steve John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > Does anyone know how you apply to register a new time zone? > > It occurs to me that we should register "Saint Helena Time" as an > official timezone. > > It would be defined as: > > "GMT + about 15 minutes, or maybe more, depending on whether the ship > is in" > > > > JT > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 25/11/2005 > > From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Sun Nov 27 18:50:11 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Sun Nov 27 18:50:30 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule References: <002601c5e440$96a80200$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <005401c5f37b$048502c0$1368d0d5@meg> MessageThe occassional pilgramage to the UK for the RMS seems to be one of those quirks of tradition rather than any thing sensible. As you say, people have said things like "it always used to go to the UK" etc. The key word here though is "used" Today I can see no logical reason for going to the UK as it seems to be a financial loss maker for the operators. My grandmother used to tell me that in her day the (old) RMS was a vital link with the mainland. In this day and age of frequent and reliable air travel, I personally can see no reason why the ship needs to visit the UK at all. Currently the ship is vital to the isalnd and it residents. Personally I would sooner have a regular supply of fresh food, postal items and tourist as these are more use to the island than the fact that the RMS may have been seen in a corner of an under used UK port! Kind regards Jon (Dingey and crime ridden east London correspondant) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:44 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule Peter (and all), I'm not convinced that the schedule provides "better service to Saints" either. When I arrived here (January this year) the ship operated to a (broadly) monthly cycle. That meant there was a regular supply of mail, fresh food and tourists, all of which are necessary to keep the island going. Sending the ship off to the UK interrupts this, for no good reason that anyone has ever been able to give me. The only half-tangible explanation is that it costs less to bring a car from the UK on the RMS than to pay for transhipment (so why not send the ship to Japan then?). All the other explanations are purely emotional ("it always used to go to the UK" and "it helps maintain our connection with the UK" being some of the dafter ones I heard). At the 'consultation meeting' I attended, prior to drawing up the new schedule, the retailers and other business people present were unanimous that the ship should continue to operate only in the South Atlantic. But the 'general public' felt otherwise, and apparently their views hold sway. So, for the next two years at least, the ship will periodically wander off to the UK on a cultural jaunt and the local economy will pause to await its return. Whoever said democracy was a good idea? JT (personal, not Bank view) -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Peter Laudano Sent: 07 November 2005 17:12 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule I saw the new RMS schedule today and have to say that I am disappointed. While the new schedule may provide better service to Saints, it does little to promote tourism among those of us who have less than a month's vacation time available. Specifically, I had hoped for (and suggested to AWS) that there be some occasional shuttle trips between Ascension and St. Helena during typical vacation periods. This would allow people to visit St. Helena (via RAF Flights to Ascension) within a 2 week vacation period. The RMS had this type of schedule once in December of 2004, but has never repeated it. The new RMS schedule would allow only a 2 day visit to St. Helena for someone wanting to travel by this method. Barring a financial windfall coupled with an extended period of unemployment, it doesn't seem that I will be able to visit St. Helena before the airport is completed. Peter Laudano __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051127/21ad25e2/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Sun Nov 27 18:58:00 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Sun Nov 27 18:58:05 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone References: <000501c5f1bc$0edb0eb0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <007901c5f37c$1bfb5e80$1368d0d5@meg> MessageHehe Sorry John, I have no idea about to register or seek aknowledgement for a new time zone (especially one as unpredictable as RMS time) However of you do find out then register it quickly as a news report here in the UK recently quoted American Physists as trying to do away with GMT as a recognised time authority because it is a pain in the bum resetting the atomic clocks every couple of years to allow for something called a "Leap Second" I wonder how these Physists plan to control the speed of the earth rotation to keep it in tune with these clocks?? On a related note, I saw a documentry recently about time zones. Apparently in the UK in the 19th Centuary there were different time zones for different towns and cities depending on how far west of London you were!! These were only abandoned with the coming of the railways and time was then officially set nationally with some place in London called Greenwich!! Strange world we live in (or on, depending on your point of view) Kind regards Jon (dingey and crime ridden east London correspondant) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: List@Sthelena. Se Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone Does anyone know how you apply to register a new time zone? It occurs to me that we should register "Saint Helena Time" as an official timezone. It would be defined as: "GMT + about 15 minutes, or maybe more, depending on whether the ship is in" JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051127/6d260238/attachment.htm From sthelena at inhouse.co.uk Sun Nov 27 19:13:50 2005 From: sthelena at inhouse.co.uk (Steve Wyles) Date: Sun Nov 27 19:13:58 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone In-Reply-To: <007901c5f37c$1bfb5e80$1368d0d5@meg> References: <000501c5f1bc$0edb0eb0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> <007901c5f37c$1bfb5e80$1368d0d5@meg> Message-ID: <4389F75E.6090305@inhouse.co.uk> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jsm28/british-time/ gives a good account of legal time in the UK and how it evolved. Jon (who else?) wrote: > Hehe > > Sorry John, I have no idea about to register or seek aknowledgement > for a new time zone (especially one as unpredictable as RMS time) > However of you do find out then register it quickly as a news report > here in the UK recently quoted American Physists as trying to do away > with GMT as a recognised time authority because it is a pain in the > bum resetting the atomic clocks every couple of years to allow for > something called a "Leap Second" I wonder how these Physists plan to > control the speed of the earth rotation to keep it in tune with these > clocks?? > > On a related note, I saw a documentry recently about time zones. > Apparently in the UK in the 19th Centuary there were different time > zones for different towns and cities depending on how far west of > London you were!! These were only abandoned with the coming of the > railways and time was then officially set nationally with some place > in London called Greenwich!! > > Strange world we live in (or on, depending on your point of view) > > Kind regards > Jon > (dingey and crime ridden east London correspondant) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena > > *To:* List@Sthelena. Se > *Sent:* Friday, November 25, 2005 12:30 PM > *Subject:* [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone > > Does anyone know how you apply to register a new time zone? > > It occurs to me that we should register "Saint Helena Time" as an > official timezone. > > It would be defined as: > > "GMT + about 15 minutes, or maybe more, depending on whether the > ship is in" > > > > JT > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer > the confirm mail. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 25/11/2005 > > From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Mon Nov 28 00:51:55 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (jcoyle@powerup.com.au) Date: Mon Nov 28 00:52:07 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] New RMS Schedule Message-ID: <20051128075155.k4r8wtgbxtmsg040@mymail.com.au> Surely the reason for the RMS still going to the UK is that the mail service is still essentially provided by the Royal Mail,in the UK? When I was on the island, and for many years before and after, mail was carried as part of the UK/South Africa service, and the ships, while not named RMS(i,e. Royal Mail Ship) were contracted to the PMG in England to carry the mail. Union-Castle only opted out in 1969 with the regular passenger services because, they said, the cost of diversion to St. Helena was not compensated for by the revenue derived from mail carried to the island. It took some long negotiation before the service provided by the Good Hope Castle and Southampton Castle was established, and an increase in the rates paid to U-C by government was the deciding factor. HTH John Coyle ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using MyMail From jerry at cccolo.com Mon Nov 28 01:01:30 2005 From: jerry at cccolo.com (jerry@cccolo.com) Date: Mon Nov 28 01:01:42 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone=====toof hurty References: <000501c5f1bc$0edb0eb0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> <007901c5f37c$1bfb5e80$1368d0d5@meg> Message-ID: <00f001c5f3ae$e4d0dec0$6401a8c0@toshibauser> Messagedear friends half way around; here in the western USofA Arizona does not go with day light time,but the Navajo nation within the Arizona borders does go with daylight time, but the Ute Indian nation within the Navajo Nation does not go with daylight time. thus the need for a three handed watch. Kind regards, ps;; what time of day does a chinaman go to the Dentist? ans in subject Jerry P Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone Hehe Sorry John, I have no idea about to register or seek aknowledgement for a new time zone (especially one as unpredictable as RMS time) However of you do find out then register it quickly as a news report here in the UK recently quoted American Physists as trying to do away with GMT as a recognised time authority because it is a pain in the bum resetting the atomic clocks every couple of years to allow for something called a "Leap Second" I wonder how these Physists plan to control the speed of the earth rotation to keep it in tune with these clocks?? On a related note, I saw a documentry recently about time zones. Apparently in the UK in the 19th Centuary there were different time zones for different towns and cities depending on how far west of London you were!! These were only abandoned with the coming of the railways and time was then officially set nationally with some place in London called Greenwich!! Strange world we live in (or on, depending on your point of view) Kind regards Jon (dingey and crime ridden east London correspondant) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: List@Sthelena. Se Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Saint Helena Timezone Does anyone know how you apply to register a new time zone? It occurs to me that we should register "Saint Helena Time" as an official timezone. It would be defined as: "GMT + about 15 minutes, or maybe more, depending on whether the ship is in" JT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051127/6a52812c/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Mon Nov 28 10:02:54 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Sat Dec 3 12:06:04 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena In-Reply-To: <4389F75E.6090305@inhouse.co.uk> Message-ID: <002a01c5f3fa$881d6ad0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> And so it goes - thoughts from St. Helena You know how it is. First there?s the euphoria and general acclaim that, finally, someone is going to do something about it. That can last as little as a few hours, or as long as a few months, but inevitably it is then replaced by the second thoughts. ?I didn?t realise it would mean that?. ?I?m not sure that is such a good idea after all?. So it is with St. Helena?s Airport. I was at the public announcement in Plantation House and remember the cheers and smiles with which the announcement was greeted. That was in April. Now it seems there is a decided backlash underway. This Sunday the UK ?Independent? newspaper carried an article which, as far as I can tell, concluded that the airport is a bad idea because it may disturb some earwigs and a few spiders, who may not even be there anyway. Some people are afraid that the island?s ?uniqueness? will be damaged by having more tourists here. And there are more than few who are worried that their cosy and highly-subsidised way of life is about to be hit by a hard dose of cold economic reality. More amusing are the ?why didn?t they do it this way? proposals that are crawling out of the woodwork. Apparently we don?t need an airport; we just need a better harbour and faster ships. Of perhaps we should have sea planes landing in James Bay (given that it?s often too choppy for the ships I can?t image how a seaplane would cope). It?s only a matter of time before someone suggests a 1,200 mile pontoon bridge or a giant catapult. Personally I am not a fan of the view that governments always get it right. But I do believe that no government spends significant amounts of money on something without a good (in its terms) reason. If the UK government is prepared to put ?80m (the Independent?s figure) into airport for St. Helena, I can only assume that it is because there was no cheaper way of achieving its objective (whatever that objective might be). So whether you believe the airport if there to promote economic regeneration and improve the lives of Saints, or whether you side with the conspiracy theorists who suggest it has a military purpose (for launching a full-scale airborne invasion of Antarctica, perhaps?), it might be better to work with the reality that an airport is coming and we had all better just get on with it. JT {The foregoing is a personal view and does not claim to represent the views of Bank of St. Helena} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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