From chrisbarwick at boltblue.com Wed Mar 2 16:20:31 2005 From: chrisbarwick at boltblue.com (Chris Barwick) Date: Fri Mar 4 09:35:31 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Your list Message-ID: <003f01c51f3b$633e83a0$359f073e@com> We are visiting in April for two half days on the Rhapsody. We like to "do our own thing" so your updates would be useful Thanks Chris Barwick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050302/aae7fc0c/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Fri Mar 4 10:11:15 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Mar 4 10:09:36 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Credit Cards on St. Helena In-Reply-To: <003f01c51f3b$633e83a0$359f073e@com> Message-ID: <001e01c5209a$22017360$0a0b000a@shgbank10> I know the subject of credit/debit card acceptance on St. Helena has been running for a while, so I am pleased to pass on some good news. At the branch in Jamestown we are now testing a facility that will enable us to make cash advances on credit and debit cards, providing they are issued under the Visa, Mastercard, Visa Delta or Maestro schemes. The facility has not yet had its official launch, and we may continue to encounter teething problems, so if you are leaving soon for St. Helena it is still worth bringing travellers cheques, but for those of you visiting in or after April we hope to have the service fully operational. Details will appear on our website. If the service is successful we aim to roll out the same facility to the Ascension Island branch. John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050304/a53e9622/attachment.htm From lnlglobal at therock.bm Fri Mar 4 10:15:54 2005 From: lnlglobal at therock.bm (Cecilia) Date: Mon Mar 7 10:33:26 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Your list References: <003f01c51f3b$633e83a0$359f073e@com> Message-ID: <00a201c5209a$c541bf80$782af9d8@lynnefpx2bgs68> To: Chris Have a great time on your cruise the Rhapsody is a beautiful ship. I did an Atlantic Crossing on her in 2003. Cecilia ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Barwick To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Your list We are visiting in April for two half days on the Rhapsody. We like to "do our own thing" so your updates would be useful Thanks Chris Barwick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050304/879707ba/attachment.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Tue Mar 8 11:42:51 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Tue Mar 8 11:43:09 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Doing 'your own thing' when Rhapsody in is James Bay Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF84511610691269FC@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Chris Barwick wants to make the most of two half days visiting St Helena. I can suggest a 'game plan' which he may like to bear in mind. Day One. Get ashore as soon as you can. Hire a taxi for a trip around the island. Arrange to take a packed lunch if that is possible. Obtain a simple map. If a half day equals about 5 hrs spend at least half this time sighting seeing around the Peaks, Sandy Bay and Prosperous Bay Plain. Jamestown can be 'covered' en route to the ship for the 1st night's stay. Look for the Museum, Consulate Hotel, Donny's and the St Helena Coffee Shop. The last two are both by the wharf. Refreshment is available from all places named except the Museum. The =E4ns: nej F=F6rk=F6p: ja Kort beskrivning: Tre av Jamaicas b=E4sta s=E5ngerskor =E4r p=E5 turn=E9, tillsammans! 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The taxi may not be able to take you all the way to Ball Alley, you may have to walk the last 200-300 yards. An off-roader would have no trouble. This may sound hectic but remember St Helena is only one-third the size of the Isle of Wight. It is packed solid with impressive landscapes and you can see many of them. With a little organisation, it is possible to gather life-lasting memories to cherish in 2 half-day visits. Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050308/760b6ecd/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Tue Mar 8 12:28:39 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Mar 8 12:27:08 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Doing 'your own thing' when Rhapsody in is James Bay In-Reply-To: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF84511610691269FC@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Message-ID: <000501c523d1$fd3b5bf0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> I endorse all of this with, if I may, a couple of observations: * Donny's and the Coffee Shop are not open every day, but do tend to open when there is a ship in so you should be OK. Very little opens on a Sunday, even if there is a ship in. * If you have time to go up to High Knoll fort, which is just above Jamestown, you will get (on a clear day) a spectacular view of the NW quadrant of the island. This can be done en-route to many of the places Vince mentions. Regards, John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Thompson Vince Sent: 08 March 2005 10:43 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Doing 'your own thing' when Rhapsody in is James Bay Chris Barwick wants to make the most of two half days visiting St Helena. I can suggest a 'game plan' which he may like to bear in mind. Day One. Get ashore as soon as you can. Hire a taxi for a trip around the island. Arrange to take a packed lunch if that is possible. Obtain a simple map. If a half day equals about 5 hrs spend at least half this time sighting seeing around the Peaks, Sandy Bay and Prosperous Bay Plain. Jamestown can be 'covered' en route to the ship for the 1st night's stay. Look for the Museum, Consulate Hotel, Donny's and the St Helena Coffee Shop. The last two are both by the wharf. Refreshment is available from all places named except the Museum. The Museum sells the best quality souvenirs. When reflecting upon the vast expanse of ocean while relaxing on Donny's 'promenade deck' - decide which places 'in the country' you want take a closer look at on day two. Don't forget, you probably will not have another chance to do this. Day Two Start as on Day One. Tell the taxi driver your preferences for your second island tour. Many taxi drivers have been on Tourist Board training sessions and St. Helenians are naturally very helpful anyway. So the taxi driver will recommend other places en route worth looking at. Everybody wants to see Longwood House and The Briars, which is understandable, but there are many other more impressive sites on the island. Don't bother with Napoleon's grave. A postcard is good enough. Again the general idea is to take in Jamestown en route to the ship. Jamestown is essentially a main street with one or two side roads. While there are places worth seeing in town, it is very compact and all notable places are literally a few yards from each other. If you want to buy books of the island there is usually a good selection in Solomon's Souvenir Shop. I think it has moved since I was last there and is now in Main Street - wharf side of the Post Office. The Post Office always has an interesting range of stamps, 1st Day Covers and coins. If you want to get back on ship super-confident you have seen a fantastic view which no one else on the ship has even heard of - head for the following, Signal Cottage on King & Queen Rocks [Prosperous Bay Plain] - staggering views of the eastern shoreline, The Barn, Turks Cap, Prosperous Bay Beach and more. Allow yourself an hour to walk up to and down from Signal Cottage [an East India Co. look out station] also Ball Alley [at the end of the Peaks and overlooking Sandy Bay] - panoramic vista of multi-coloured volcanic landscape. Look down through the Gates of Chaos towards Sandy Bay then upwards on the other side to Sandy Bay Barn, White Hill, the Devil's Garden and the entire windward side of the Peaks. The taxi may not be able to take you all the way to Ball Alley, you may have to walk the last 200-300 yards. An off-roader would have no trouble. This may sound hectic but remember St Helena is only one-third the size of the Isle of Wight. It is packed solid with impressive landscapes and you can see many of them. With a little organisation, it is possible to gather life-lasting memories to cherish in 2 half-day visits. Vince Thompson **************************************************************************** ******************** The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. 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I am not the webmaster and the next two weeks I am not in the office. For those ones of this list who speak German, the portal _www.laenderkontakte.de_ (http://www.laenderkontakte.de) Directory of German-International Relations also might be interesting. Please feel free to arrange a link to this directory/ies from your website. Kind regards Burkhard Herbote Editor, WorldTourismDirectory.com Burkhard Herbote Verlag Walkerberg 20 59269 Beckum, Germany Tel: ++49 (0) 2521 823333 Fax: ++49 (0) 2521 823334 editor@worldtourismdirectory.com _www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com/) The (c) WorldTourismDirectory.com is the world's most comprehensive tourism information online directory for the international travel community and the traveling consumer, who both rely on the accuracy of its content. Country by country source of all international, national, regional, local tourism authorities, associations and organizations, travel services, corporations and travel and tourism media, government information sources, tourism investment agencies, non-profit organizations and much more. It also has the most comprehensive listing of international associations, organizations and services in travel and tourism. A service by _www.herbote.com_ (http://www.herbote.com/) Our further reference publication is the Directory of German-International Relations, available by _www.laenderkontakte.de_ (http://www.laenderkontakte.de/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050308/f3dd6c30/attachment.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Wed Mar 9 14:31:34 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Wed Mar 9 14:32:41 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] World Tourism Directory.com - St Helena Section Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A05@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Burkhard Herbote has a very comprehensive subject/contact list for St Helena on his website http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com . The only additional information I can think of is the reasons for visiting the island. I realise this aspect may not be part of the function / remit of Herr Herbote's website. However, the plain fact is - in terms of tourism & tourists - very few people know St Helena exists. Of those that do, few have any inkling what to expect if they ever travelled there and fewer still would probably know how to get there without embarking on significant detective work. Part of that work will include searching for websites like http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com. The most notable attractions are the spectacular natural landscapes, the Georgian facades in Jamestown and the wonderful sociableness of the islanders. Ideal situations are offered to photographers, walkers and people who just like to party! In close support there are the very evident historic legacies of the East India Company [the age of exploration] and Napoleon's incarceration. For others there is extraordinarily good fishing for most of the year, sea diving among ship wrecks and the uncaught fish, also some sailing / boat trips around the island. Herr Herbote's website gives the contacts which cover these subjects and activities - but determined attempts have to be made to persuade web-surfers and non-committed enquirers to seek out this information in the first place. This problem has perplexed The St Helena Tourist Board, and many others, for some time now. 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I forgot about it for a while, but then decided to look at the RMS' homepage, and sure enough, I see it now stops in Namibia (Walvis Bay and Luderitz) but not Tristan. When did this happen, and was there a reason given? I managed to take the RMS to both St. Helena and Tristan a few years ago, and am just curious now, what transportation options there are for Tristan for visitors (other than cruise ships). Ovenstone and the SA Agullus (sp?) ship I suppose are options, but is that pretty much it? How did the Tristanians feel about this? I realize the RMS didn't really do much cargo for Tristan, it was mostly tourists, but what was the reason for dropping Tristan? Also, I wonder how Saints feel about the RMS stopping in Namibia.. since most cargo and goods went through CPT, how much now goes through Namibia instead? (I suppose Namibia is closer, but wouldn't most supplies still come from suppliers in SA?) Is the choice of Namibia more for tourists? And (sorry, this has probably been covered, but I've missed it), how goes the "ship vs air" debate lately? Any chance of a gov't-funded airport, or is private (shelco, etc) the only option on the table? Any more wind turbines ever installed on the island, or just the 3 from a few years ago? Cheers, Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050311/2d16fbb3/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Fri Mar 11 12:31:04 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Mar 11 12:29:32 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] RMS and Tristan? In-Reply-To: <002a01c52621$cc53d6f0$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <002101c5262d$d2f67c40$0a0b000a@shgbank10> The visits to Tristan and the UK were suspended last year because it was felt that a better service for St. Helena and Ascension could be provided by the RMS following a simpler route: Cape Town / Luderitz / Walvis Bay / Jamestown / Georgetown then back. This has the effect of creating a monthly (approx) sailing in each direction from Jamestown. Recently it has been announced that, in late 2005, the RMS will make two visits to the UK and, possibly, one to Tristan. This information should be on the RMS website, but if not it was in the St. Helena Herald (see www.news.co.sh). Goods from the UK are now trans-shipped, either at Walvis Bay or at Cape Town. There have been some problems with the RMS departure from Walvis Bay having to be delayed because the southbound cargo from the UK was running late. There have also been some accusations that the new arrangement is more costly - I don't have any experience on which to base a comment. As far as I know, apart from the possible RMS visit, the only way to Tristan is to hitch a lift on a naval vessel that is heading for the met. station on Gough Island. All the best, John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: 11 March 2005 10:05 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] RMS and Tristan? Hello all. I haven't posted much here lately, but a while back I remember reading that the RMS no longer stops at Tristan. I forgot about it for a while, but then decided to look at the RMS' homepage, and sure enough, I see it now stops in Namibia (Walvis Bay and Luderitz) but not Tristan. When did this happen, and was there a reason given? I managed to take the RMS to both St. Helena and Tristan a few years ago, and am just curious now, what transportation options there are for Tristan for visitors (other than cruise ships). Ovenstone and the SA Agullus (sp?) ship I suppose are options, but is that pretty much it? How did the Tristanians feel about this? I realize the RMS didn't really do much cargo for Tristan, it was mostly tourists, but what was the reason for dropping Tristan? Also, I wonder how Saints feel about the RMS stopping in Namibia.. since most cargo and goods went through CPT, how much now goes through Namibia instead? (I suppose Namibia is closer, but wouldn't most supplies still come from suppliers in SA?) Is the choice of Namibia more for tourists? And (sorry, this has probably been covered, but I've missed it), how goes the "ship vs air" debate lately? Any chance of a gov't-funded airport, or is private (shelco, etc) the only option on the table? Any more wind turbines ever installed on the island, or just the 3 from a few years ago? Cheers, Larry __________ NOD32 1.1023 (20050310) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050311/9a26bd8c/attachment.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Fri Mar 11 12:46:47 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Fri Mar 11 15:43:07 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: News Update Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A12@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Thompson Vince > Sent: 11 March 2005 11:46 > To: > Subject: News Update > > > The simplest way to answer Larry Greenfild's second query is to copy the Questions recently asked inthe House of Commons by Nigel Jones MP. > > St. Helena > Mr. Nigel Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development what assessment he has made of the length of runway required for an airport on St. Helena; and if he will make a statement > Mr. Gareth Thomas: A report by Atkins Management Consultants, which I sent on 9 November 2004 to the hon. Member and other parliamentary colleagues, identified three possible options to maintain future access for St. Helena. Two of them would require providing an airport, while the third would replace the existing ship. The report indicated that the airport options would entail total runway lengths of either 2000m or 2250m, both inclusive of runway end safety areas. Decisions will be announced, in consultation with the St. Helena Government, as soon as it is possible to do so. > > Mr. Nigel Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development what discussions he has had with Shelco regarding its proposal to build (a) an airport and (b) other infrastructure requirements on St. Helena; and if he will make a statement. > Mr. Gareth Thomas: I met with Shelco representatives on 8 September 2004. There have also been discussions between Shelco and the St. Helena Government. All investor interest in St. Helena is welcome and will be considered on an equal footing. > > Mr. Nigel Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development (1) what estimate he has made of the level of public funding necessary to sustain St. Helena in the next 10 years (a) without an airport and (b) with an airport; and if he will make a statement; > (2) what assessment he has made of St. Helena's potential for earning income from tourism (a) without an airport and (b) with an airport; and if he will make a statement; > (3) what assessment he has made of the potential for St. Helena to attract tourists from (a) France, (b) the United States of America and (c) the United Kingdom if an airport is built on the Island; and what assessment he has made of the implications for UK support to St. Helena of an increase in tourism on the island. > > Mr. Gareth Thomas: Data of the kind requested, but not necessarily in this exact form, has been compiled for an analysis of three shortlisted access options which is under consideration. The outcome will be announced, in consultation with the St. Helena Government, just as soon as it is possible to do so. At that stage, in keeping with our previous practice for material prepared to shortlist the options, we shall consider publication as appropriate. > > Mr. Nigel Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development how much public funding has been made available to St. Helena in each year since 1997. > Mr. Gareth Thomas: DFID bilateral disbursements for St. Helena in the financial years 1997-98 to 2003-04 were as follows: > > Financial year ?000 > 1997-98 8,384 > 1998-99 8,594 > 1999-2000 9,185 > 2000-01 9,968 > 2001-02 9,833 > 2002-03 9,343 > 2003-04 10,419 > > St. Helena also receives some assistance from the FCO Good Governance Fund and FCO Economic Diversification Programme. Those disbursements were as follows: > > Fin. year ?000 > Disbursements > 1997-98 211 > 1998-99 163 > 1999-2000 231 > 2000-01 212 > 2001-02 321 > 2002-03 436 > 2003-04 260 > > In addition, over the same period, allocations totalling some > EUR> 14.35 million (around ?9.5 million) were made to St. Helena by the European Commission (EC), of which the UK share was about 13 per cent. Disbursement of the EC allocations is on going. > > With regard to the RMS Schedules, the short answer is the changes were made to save money. This has not happened. There will be sailings to the northern hemisphere after September '05 with calls still being made at Walvis Bay. Another mess Hollamby left for Clancy to sort out.> > > Vince Thompson > > ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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References: <002a01c52621$cc53d6f0$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <00ac01c5264c$cd20dc60$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> Hi Larry, Check out John Turner's web log especially the entry for 16th February 2005, where you will find loads of local information about life on a South Atlantic Island. With regards to your question about the wind turbines, John's web log record: There are three wind turbines to add extra capacity. Sadly only one of the wind turbines actually works - the others are waiting for spare parts (since about 2003). The electricity men refuse to climb the towers (Health and Safety) so only the boss, goes up there, manfully waving his socket-set in the hope of achieving something. He got the one that does work going, before which there were all just expensive eyesores. Despite the reliability of the national grid here in the UK wind turbines are becoming more popular as the trend for more eco-friendly power gets up to speed. 5 years ago, my family and I were toying with the idea of moving to the Ramsgate/Margate area of Kent. Very close by was a large wind farm that fed off the air speed coming in from the English Channel, I was fascinated by these things and could watch them all day. Sadly senior management (the wife!) over-ruled the decission to move there, so I am still in deepest grotiest druggiest East London. Hows this for an advertising slogan, "Come to Manor Park, there were only 2 murders last year" catchy huh? Anyway, 18 months ago, I was sent (deported more like) to a place called Cockermouth in the lake distrct region of our wonderful country on an outward bounds training and team bonding course. Cockermouth is home to Wharrels Hill Wind Farm and Visitor Center, I had a great time. To hell with climbing hills and absailing down rock faces whilst dealing with unimaginable "No Win" scenarios in order to test my leadership abilities, I went wind farm spotting!! And just to make life a bit more interesting, my sister who lives in the town of March in Cambridgeshire, has told me that her town now has its own wind turbine, located next to Whitemoor prison - time to visit the siblings I think!! Hope you enjoy the web log Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Greenfield To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: [STHELENA] RMS and Tristan? Hello all. I haven't posted much here lately, but a while back I remember reading that the RMS no longer stops at Tristan. I forgot about it for a while, but then decided to look at the RMS' homepage, and sure enough, I see it now stops in Namibia (Walvis Bay and Luderitz) but not Tristan. When did this happen, and was there a reason given? I managed to take the RMS to both St. Helena and Tristan a few years ago, and am just curious now, what transportation options there are for Tristan for visitors (other than cruise ships). Ovenstone and the SA Agullus (sp?) ship I suppose are options, but is that pretty much it? How did the Tristanians feel about this? I realize the RMS didn't really do much cargo for Tristan, it was mostly tourists, but what was the reason for dropping Tristan? Also, I wonder how Saints feel about the RMS stopping in Namibia.. since most cargo and goods went through CPT, how much now goes through Namibia instead? (I suppose Namibia is closer, but wouldn't most supplies still come from suppliers in SA?) Is the choice of Namibia more for tourists? And (sorry, this has probably been covered, but I've missed it), how goes the "ship vs air" debate lately? Any chance of a gov't-funded airport, or is private (shelco, etc) the only option on the table? Any more wind turbines ever installed on the island, or just the 3 from a few years ago? Cheers, Larry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050311/197d82e5/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Fri Mar 11 16:21:28 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Fri Mar 11 16:22:34 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: News Update References: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A12@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Message-ID: <00bb01c5264d$ff304d20$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> FW: News UpdateThis was actually getting quite interesting until I saw the words "A report by Atkins Management Consultants" Sadly ( I speak from experience here) Atkins (or whatever name they are using today, they've had few over the years) are the epitome of inefficiencey. I used to have to deal with them when I worked for a parking machine company. WS Atkins (as they were then) were supposed to arrange the installations of these machines. Every one of the planned installations fell flat on its face BIG TIME!! If thedevelopment of the proposed airport is left to them, the best I expect you can hope for is a packet of feathers in the post!! Sorry to sound so negative, but I used to lose the will to live whilst working with these guys. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson Vince To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: [STHELENA] FW: News Update -----Original Message----- From: Thompson Vince Sent: 11 March 2005 11:46 To: Subject: News Update The simplest way to answer Larry Greenfild's second query is to copy the Questions recently asked inthe House of Commons by Nigel Jones MP. St. Helena Mr. Nigel Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development what assessment he has made of the length of runway required for an airport on St. Helena; and if he will make a statement Mr. Gareth Thomas: A report by Atkins Management Consultants, which I sent on 9 November 2004 to the hon. Member and other parliamentary colleagues, identified three possible options to maintain future access for St. Helena. Two of them would require providing an airport, while the third would replace the existing ship. The report indicated that the airport options would entail total runway lengths of either 2000m or 2250m, both inclusive of runway end safety areas. Decisions will be announced, in consultation with the St. Helena Government, as soon as it is possible to do so. Mr. Nigel Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development what discussions he has had with Shelco regarding its proposal to build (a) an airport and (b) other infrastructure requirements on St. Helena; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Gareth Thomas: I met with Shelco representatives on 8 September 2004. There have also been discussions between Shelco and the St. Helena Government. All investor interest in St. Helena is welcome and will be considered on an equal footing. Mr. Nigel Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development (1) what estimate he has made of the level of public funding necessary to sustain St. Helena in the next 10 years (a) without an airport and (b) with an airport; and if he will make a statement; (2) what assessment he has made of St. Helena's potential for earning income from tourism (a) without an airport and (b) with an airport; and if he will make a statement; (3) what assessment he has made of the potential for St. Helena to attract tourists from (a) France, (b) the United States of America and (c) the United Kingdom if an airport is built on the Island; and what assessment he has made of the implications for UK support to St. Helena of an increase in tourism on the island. Mr. Gareth Thomas: Data of the kind requested, but not necessarily in this exact form, has been compiled for an analysis of three shortlisted access options which is under consideration. The outcome will be announced, in consultation with the St. Helena Government, just as soon as it is possible to do so. At that stage, in keeping with our previous practice for material prepared to shortlist the options, we shall consider publication as appropriate. Mr. Nigel Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development how much public funding has been made available to St. Helena in each year since 1997. Mr. Gareth Thomas: DFID bilateral disbursements for St. Helena in the financial years 1997-98 to 2003-04 were as follows: Financial year ?000 1997-98 8,384 1998-99 8,594 1999-2000 9,185 2000-01 9,968 2001-02 9,833 2002-03 9,343 2003-04 10,419 St. Helena also receives some assistance from the FCO Good Governance Fund and FCO Economic Diversification Programme. Those disbursements were as follows: Fin. year ?000 Disbursements 1997-98 211 1998-99 163 1999-2000 231 2000-01 212 2001-02 321 2002-03 436 2003-04 260 In addition, over the same period, allocations totalling some ?14.35 million (around ?9.5 million) were made to St. Helena by the European Commission (EC), of which the UK share was about 13 per cent. Disbursement of the EC allocations is on going. With regard to the RMS Schedules, the short answer is the changes were made to save money. This has not happened. There will be sailings to the northern hemisphere after September '05 with calls still being made at Walvis Bay. Another mess Hollamby left for Clancy to sort out. Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050311/5719a40c/attachment-0001.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Mon Mar 14 15:13:33 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Mon Mar 14 15:13:41 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: Airport Announcement Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A23@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Thompson Vince > Sent: 14 March 2005 14:13 > To: 'list@sthelena.se' > Subject: Airport Announcement > > > > I have read the statement and the decision is, of course, welcomed. > > From what I have read I understand that;- > > The UK government will 'fund the building of an airport' and this will NOT be capped at ?26m. as was previously the case. > > The UK government will provide 'help' to establish regular air services and 'support' inward investment opportunities opened up by the construction of an airport. > > The only date mentioned is 'in or around 2010, and that refers to the demise of the RMS. It has been my feeling for some time that HMG is gearing itself to this deadline rather than getting the air operation up and running ASAP to reverse the current population and economic trends. Also, the statement does not include plans for future links by sea. Such links will still be equally important for bulk food supplies etc. > > One cannot expect precise definitions of funding, help and support in a statement of this nature however one wonders if the airport construction funding will include infrastructure for ancillary operations such as those required by the emergency services and also for improved access to / from the airport and other parts of the island. > > Helping to establish air services will probably first include technical advice/expertise. The extent of this 'help' also needs definition. I hope this help from the UK government, with the tendering of air service contracts, does not delay matters to the same extent as they have been delayed so far. > > Support for inward investment is also required in so far as technical advice/expertise is needed. Again, much more detail on how this will work needs to be known. Inward investment is a general term which can cover several scenarios - from Shelco's proposal for a 5 star plus hotel at Broad Bottom to 'seed capital' to kick start a plan for a good quality fish restaurant put forward by a St Helenian who maybe was head chef on the RMS. The general subject of inward investment can also include 'supporting' cost items such as related training schemes - to ensure St Helenians have the chance to get most of the best service industry jobs. > > Improved facilities for tourists could be more of a public service than the usual commercial investment when both the remoteness of the island and the acceptable size of the tourist industry are taken into account. A case in point would be convenient access to ATMs. These details are all part of the 'product' being sold and form part of the 'attractiveness equation' when tourist make a judgement on their visit to the island. > > Finally the reference to all private sector investment being considered equitably is in one sense only to be expected. However it echoes a statement from SHG issued after their recent agreement on principles with Shelco. I hope DfID / FCO are not still jittery about Shelco's involvement and fear they may assume a monopolistic position in the island's economy. If so there is scope for further delay while HMG repeat previous efforts to get inward investment from other big budget developers. The tendering process is of course required but if there is interest only from Shelco this should be accepted without prevarication and manoeuvres in a fruitless attempt to bring other large private sector interests on board. > > Kind Regards > > Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. 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I am a lady, now middle aged, travelling alone and would appreciate any tips from anyone who has travelled from England via Brize Norton and Ascension Island. I am looking to spend a month self catering on the island. I am a little concerned that I might find myself with no accommodation on Ascension Island if RMS St. Helena is delayed and someone else has booked my room and of course on the return journey via the same route. Has this ever happened? Also, as I don't want to be isolated whilst staying on the island, has anyone any tips on good accommodation, close to or in Jamestown? Whilst I know that the better weather etc is around November, I am looking to travel from April onwards and the dates aren't critical. I do have brochures re St Helena voyages and have the sailing schedules so with enough information I may yet fulfil this childhood dream! I realise that this may not be the usual reason for posting messages on this site but any information and/or tips would be gratefully received. Many thanks, Diane Gaskell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050314/86b35c4f/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Tue Mar 15 10:30:28 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Mar 15 10:29:01 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena In-Reply-To: <000b01c528c2$99003020$a45128d5@mrjwjbev8ayn5z> Message-ID: <001501c52941$a3b04b20$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Dear Diane, The main thing to do is not to worry - things here tend to work themselves out. As far as I know nobody has ever been kicked out of the Obsidian because the boat was delayed, but if you are concerned, drop them an email - their website is at http://www.obsidian.co.ac/hotel.html and it has contact details. The weather will be cooler in April, but you may find that to be a blessing because the experience of coming from a UK winter to a St. Helena summer can be quite a shock. It's hard to be isolated in St. Helena because everyone will want to get to know you. But to answer your specific question, there are plenty of holiday lets, many of them in Jamestown. It's worth arranging that in advance. You should be able to find out about them through the shipping office who arranged your visit, but if not try the tourist office website at http://www.sthelenatourism.com/ One point about flying from Brize - it's not Heathrow. That means you probably won't have to queue for two hours to check in, but also that there are very few airport services. Bring a few sandwiches in case the plan is delayed. You will find that locally produced things here are cheap by UK standards, but imported stuff is quite expensive. I hope you like Tuna! Getting money is easy - just come into the bank with either sterling cash, travellers cheques, a credit / debit card or even a UK cheque book (with a cheque guarantee card). Please note that there is not an ATM (cash machine) on the island - or on Ascension - but the shops accept UK money so having some UK cash is a good idea. If you have any other specific concerns please feel free to contact me direct (john.turner@sainthelenabank.com) and I will try to answer them or pass them on to someone who can. I hope you enjoy your visit! John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of digas Sent: 14 March 2005 18:20 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena I am aiming to visit St Helena for the first time, after a life time of wishing to see the island, to see first hand if I can find any information about my Great Grandmother who was born there. I am a lady, now middle aged, travelling alone and would appreciate any tips from anyone who has travelled from England via Brize Norton and Ascension Island. I am looking to spend a month self catering on the island. I am a little concerned that I might find myself with no accommodation on Ascension Island if RMS St. Helena is delayed and someone else has booked my room and of course on the return journey via the same route. Has this ever happened? Also, as I don't want to be isolated whilst staying on the island, has anyone any tips on good accommodation, close to or in Jamestown? Whilst I know that the better weather etc is around November, I am looking to travel from April onwards and the dates aren't critical. I do have brochures re St Helena voyages and have the sailing schedules so with enough information I may yet fulfil this childhood dream! I realise that this may not be the usual reason for posting messages on this site but any information and/or tips would be gratefully received. Many thanks, Diane Gaskell __________ NOD32 1.1026 (20050314) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050315/7aeec622/attachment-0001.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Tue Mar 15 12:21:34 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Tue Mar 15 12:21:45 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: St Helena Travel Tips Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A2B@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Thompson Vince > Sent: 15 March 2005 11:16 > To: 'list@sthelena.se' > Subject: St Helena Travel Tips > > > Having made the journey to St Helena [and back] 5 times I would like to add to John's good advice. > > 1. Book the ship, plane and Ascension accommodation as early as you can. > This is to make sure you get the flight which connects with the ship and your first choice cabin. > > 2. Arrive at Brize Norton about 09.00pm if the flight is at the usual 11.45pm departure time. > It means a longish wait but the chore of registering your luggage is much easier. Later there are queues. > > 3. On arrival at Ascension [Wide-awake] airfield, don't lag behind the main throng leaving the aircraft at Ascension [as I once did]. > The hotel transport which conveys customers from the airfield to the hotel may well have departed when you finally get the other side of the passport check.. > The transport does come back to collect you - but it means a longish wait and probably a phone call to the hotel. > > 4. It is worth hiring a car - at about ?20 a day. > A two to three hour drive around the island is well worth the hire charge. The views from the Green Mountain road are memorable. > The 'Volcano Club' at the USAF Base will serve fairly good quality and substantial meals. > The Obsidian now has its own restaurant and serves meals which are more 'English' as well as local dishes. > > 5. Wear good footwear and casual clothes for boarding the ship. > Some St Helena/Ascension travel advice makes much of the manner in which the RMS St Helena has to be boarded. > This involves a transfer from the wharf to the RMS in a motor launch. > It is sometimes a little tricky stepping from the wharf to the launch, especially if there is a bit of a swell. > The main thing is two very experienced stevedore types will stand either side of you and ensure you transfer safely from wharf to launch and launch to ship. > Also, apart from sea spray and splashes any small deposits of grease or soot from the ship's funnel may mean smart > white apparel could suffer. A similar procedure exists when disembarking at St Helena. > > 6. First sight of St Helena > The RMS Captains, in my experience, are very informal with regard to visits to the bridge and the observation platforms on either side of it. > These observation platforms give the best vantage points for your first views of St Helena. > You could spend two hours watching a blue haze on the horizon gradually take spectacular shape as the RMS draws nearer. > As for me, I'm always mesmerized by the spectacle. > > 7. Self Catering Accommodation > The air in Jamestown itself can be close and a little uncomfortable at some times of the year. > It is on the leeward side, in a deep valley and the air is very still most of the time. > A compromise between country air and town facilities is 'Cambrian House', which comprises three self catering apartments. > It is situated towards the head of James [Chapel] Valley. The Heart Shaped Waterfall is 'just round the corner'. > It is also within walking distance [less than a mile] of all Jamestown's facilities. > One of the three is the 'Garden Flat' where we stayed on our last visit and found it very satisfactory. > > 8 Car Hire > The rental should be around ?10 per day. There are several car rental outlets on the island. > During April there should not be too much demand for the cars available for rent. > The Tourist Office will give you help with this. > > 9 Socialising > You are already off to a good start. You will find everybody is willing to talk and to help. All you have to do is say 'Good Morning'. > Not acknowledging passers-by can be construed to be bad manners! > > 10 Your Great Grandmother > You will need to visit The Archives in Jamestown to start tracing the family tree. > If you have an interest in history as well as your great grandmother you will find many documents > > of the East India Company carefully bound and filed and fully available for close inspection. > > Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050315/221287d3/attachment.htm From linsi_art at bluewin.ch Wed Mar 16 14:23:24 2005 From: linsi_art at bluewin.ch (Iris Linsi) Date: Wed Mar 16 14:23:14 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas References: <000b01c528c2$99003020$a45128d5@mrjwjbev8ayn5z> Message-ID: <007e01c52a2b$710795d0$99f1bac3@pcm5grzvna6ipq> It seems there were two Thomas families - one 'town' one 'country', according to my aunt who is now 84 !! I am a country 'Thomas'.I last visited the island in 1994 and am fairly up-to-date about family history, from my great-grand-father George Thomas onwards. If you are interested, please contact me privately. IN THE MEANTIME - see who I am under www.sthelena.se under 'art' and my website www.linsi-art.com. Look forward to hearing from you. Regards linsi_art@bluewin.ch ----- Original Message ----- From: digas To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena I am aiming to visit St Helena for the first time, after a life time of wishing to see the island, to see first hand if I can find any information about my Great Grandmother who was born there. I am a lady, now middle aged, travelling alone and would appreciate any tips from anyone who has travelled from England via Brize Norton and Ascension Island. I am looking to spend a month self catering on the island. I am a little concerned that I might find myself with no accommodation on Ascension Island if RMS St. Helena is delayed and someone else has booked my room and of course on the return journey via the same route. Has this ever happened? Also, as I don't want to be isolated whilst staying on the island, has anyone any tips on good accommodation, close to or in Jamestown? Whilst I know that the better weather etc is around November, I am looking to travel from April onwards and the dates aren't critical. I do have brochures re St Helena voyages and have the sailing schedules so with enough information I may yet fulfil this childhood dream! I realise that this may not be the usual reason for posting messages on this site but any information and/or tips would be gratefully received. Many thanks, Diane Gaskell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050317/2d4b8031/attachment.htm From mbra at wanadoo.mg Thu Mar 17 07:43:00 2005 From: mbra at wanadoo.mg (mboara andrianarimanana) Date: Thu Mar 17 07:44:00 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas References: <000b01c528c2$99003020$a45128d5@mrjwjbev8ayn5z> <007e01c52a2b$710795d0$99f1bac3@pcm5grzvna6ipq> Message-ID: <005b01c52abc$99c37930$2102a8c0@mae.mg> I am a journalist from Madagascar and would like to write a story about St Helena. One of my friends visited St Helena few years ago and met a community originated from Madagascar. Members of this community have a singular name, beginning with RA (e.g. Rawalker, Rahopkins). I am interested in being in touch with a member of this community. Please write to : Mboara Andrianarimanana mbra@wanadoo.mg Regards Mboara Andrianarimanana ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Linsi To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas It seems there were two Thomas families - one 'town' one 'country', according to my aunt who is now 84 !! I am a country 'Thomas'.I last visited the island in 1994 and am fairly up-to-date about family history, from my great-grand-father George Thomas onwards. If you are interested, please contact me privately. IN THE MEANTIME - see who I am under www.sthelena.se under 'art' and my website www.linsi-art.com. Look forward to hearing from you. Regards linsi_art@bluewin.ch ----- Original Message ----- From: digas To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena I am aiming to visit St Helena for the first time, after a life time of wishing to see the island, to see first hand if I can find any information about my Great Grandmother who was born there. I am a lady, now middle aged, travelling alone and would appreciate any tips from anyone who has travelled from England via Brize Norton and Ascension Island. I am looking to spend a month self catering on the island. I am a little concerned that I might find myself with no accommodation on Ascension Island if RMS St. Helena is delayed and someone else has booked my room and of course on the return journey via the same route. Has this ever happened? Also, as I don't want to be isolated whilst staying on the island, has anyone any tips on good accommodation, close to or in Jamestown? Whilst I know that the better weather etc is around November, I am looking to travel from April onwards and the dates aren't critical. I do have brochures re St Helena voyages and have the sailing schedules so with enough information I may yet fulfil this childhood dream! I realise that this may not be the usual reason for posting messages on this site but any information and/or tips would be gratefully received. Many thanks, Diane Gaskell -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050317/084b17c0/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 17 09:25:38 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 17 09:24:09 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Airport agreed for St Helena In-Reply-To: <001301c52abb$75992970$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> Message-ID: <000a01c52aca$e993b8e0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> You heard right. There are links from the bank's website to the relevant announcements, and it is also on the BBC news website (do a search for "Saint Helena"). Regards, John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Jon (who else?) Sent: 17 March 2005 06:35 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: [STHELENA] Airport agreed for St Helena I heard the tail end of a report on Radio 5 on Wednesday night in which the Governor of St Helena Michael Clancy was quite chuffed about the decission by the Department for International Development to provide funding the much debated St Helena Airport. The airport will have a runway of 2,250 metres which is capable of accepting a Boeing 737 or an Airbus 320 and it is hoped will be built by 2010. Anyone else heard this on their news stations or was I suffering from extreme tiredness when I think I heard this? Regards Jon __________ NOD32 1.1027 (20050316) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050317/36bd7c2d/attachment-0001.htm From rjyon at dircon.co.uk Thu Mar 17 14:56:08 2005 From: rjyon at dircon.co.uk (Robert Yon) Date: Thu Mar 17 14:53:34 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Airport agreed for St Helena References: <001301c52abb$75992970$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> Message-ID: <001901c52af9$35859f60$db3570c2@oemcomputer> Hi Jon The following appeared in the Guardian (UK) on Tuesday 15th March. Hope my OCR scanner has copied it faithfully. Regards Bob Yon __________________________________________________ >From : Dr. Robert J. Yon (Retired Reader in Biochemistry, University of Greenwich, UK) rjyon@dircon.co.uk St Helena prepares to see the flights Kirsty Scott It beguiled Charles Darwin and bedevilled Napoleon, who spent his last years in lonely ex- ile on its remote, rocky shores. Now the fortunes of the tiny sub-tropical island of St He- lena, a speck in the South At- lantic some 2,000km west of Africa, are to be transformed by a new government funded multi-million pound airport. One of 13 remaining British overseas territories, St Helena is only accessible by a lengthy sea voyage from mainland Africa or Britain on an ageing passenger vessel which is due to go out of service in five years time. "Getting here is an adventure in itself," said Pamela Young, St Helena's director of tourism, yesterday. "It takes two days from Ascenison Island or three and half days from Namibia. The journey itself takes up a lot of your leave." It is thought the airport, to be built on the island's Pros- perous Bay Plain, could cost ?40m and be ready by 2010. Officials from the Depart- ment for International Devel- opment say the project is nec- essary to improve the islands links to the outside world a: boost its economy. As it stands St Helena's export industry are worth less than ?200,000 a year, consisting largely frozen tuna, coffee and honey. The island's governor Michael Clancy, said the government's commitment to help fund the scheme was expression of confidence in the 4,000-strong community British citizens. "We're sure we can develop the proposal into a huge suc- cess that will lead to economic growth and considerable ad- vantages for the island," he said. Napoleon was sent to St. He- lena in 1815. He lived at Long- wood House until his death in May 1821. Twenty years later his body was exhumed and repatriated to France. Much of the island's attrac- tion lies in its flora and fauna which prompted Charles Dar- win to describe it as, "a little world within itself which ex- cites our curiosity". The DFID, said the project would only go ahead after con- sulting the residents and an environmental assessment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Airport agreed for St Helena I heard the tail end of a report on Radio 5 on Wednesday night in which the Governor of St Helena Michael Clancy was quite chuffed about the decission by the Department for International Development to provide funding the much debated St Helena Airport. The airport will have a runway of 2,250 metres which is capable of accepting a Boeing 737 or an Airbus 320 and it is hoped will be built by 2010. Anyone else heard this on their news stations or was I suffering from extreme tiredness when I think I heard this? Regards Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050317/2fea6800/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Thu Mar 17 17:31:08 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Thu Mar 17 17:31:24 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas Message-ID: There are no families on St. Helena with the names Rawalker or Rahopkins. There are families by the name of Hopkins though. (But no Walkers) -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of mboara andrianarimanana Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:43 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas I am a journalist from Madagascar and would like to write a story about St Helena. One of my friends visited St Helena few years ago and met a community originated from Madagascar. Members of this community have a singular name, beginning with RA (e.g. Rawalker, Rahopkins). I am interested in being in touch with a member of this community. Please write to : Mboara Andrianarimanana mbra@wanadoo.mg Regards Mboara Andrianarimanana ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Linsi To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas It seems there were two Thomas families - one 'town' one 'country', according to my aunt who is now 84 !! I am a country 'Thomas'.I last visited the island in 1994 and am fairly up-to-date about family history, from my great-grand-father George Thomas onwards. If you are interested, please contact me privately. IN THE MEANTIME - see who I am under www.sthelena.se under 'art' and my website www.linsi-art.com. Look forward to hearing from you. Regards linsi_art@bluewin.ch ----- Original Message ----- From: digas To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena I am aiming to visit St Helena for the first time, after a life time of wishing to see the island, to see first hand if I can find any information about my Great Grandmother who was born there. I am a lady, now middle aged, travelling alone and would appreciate any tips from anyone who has travelled from England via Brize Norton and Ascension Island. I am looking to spend a month self catering on the island. I am a little concerned that I might find myself with no accommodation on Ascension Island if RMS St. Helena is delayed and someone else has booked my room and of course on the return journey via the same route. Has this ever happened? Also, as I don't want to be isolated whilst staying on the island, has anyone any tips on good accommodation, close to or in Jamestown? Whilst I know that the better weather etc is around November, I am looking to travel from April onwards and the dates aren't critical. I do have brochures re St Helena voyages and have the sailing schedules so with enough information I may yet fulfil this childhood dream! I realise that this may not be the usual reason for posting messages on this site but any information and/or tips would be gratefully received. Many thanks, Diane Gaskell _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ Upgrade Your Email - Click here! _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050317/b3bc905d/attachment.htm From linsi_art at bluewin.ch Thu Mar 17 19:59:08 2005 From: linsi_art at bluewin.ch (Iris Linsi) Date: Thu Mar 17 19:58:20 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas / Madagascan connections References: Message-ID: <002f01c52b23$69d98540$c28903d5@pcm5grzvna6ipq> The Hopkins family originates from my maternal Great-grand-father Will Hopkins a widower from Wales who went to the island with his two daughters and married Granny Moyce by whom he had about ten children - one of whom my was my grandmother Alice Hopkins. I know the family history since then and there is certainly no connection to anyone from Madagascar ----- Original Message ----- From: Tessa M. Hughley To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas There are no families on St. Helena with the names Rawalker or Rahopkins. There are families by the name of Hopkins though. (But no Walkers) -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of mboara andrianarimanana Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:43 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas I am a journalist from Madagascar and would like to write a story about St Helena. One of my friends visited St Helena few years ago and met a community originated from Madagascar. Members of this community have a singular name, beginning with RA (e.g. Rawalker, Rahopkins). I am interested in being in touch with a member of this community. Please write to : Mboara Andrianarimanana mbra@wanadoo.mg Regards Mboara Andrianarimanana ----- Original Message ----- From: Iris Linsi To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena / Digas It seems there were two Thomas families - one 'town' one 'country', according to my aunt who is now 84 !! I am a country 'Thomas'.I last visited the island in 1994 and am fairly up-to-date about family history, from my great-grand-father George Thomas onwards. If you are interested, please contact me privately. IN THE MEANTIME - see who I am under www.sthelena.se under 'art' and my website www.linsi-art.com. Look forward to hearing from you. Regards linsi_art@bluewin.ch ----- Original Message ----- From: digas To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena I am aiming to visit St Helena for the first time, after a life time of wishing to see the island, to see first hand if I can find any information about my Great Grandmother who was born there. I am a lady, now middle aged, travelling alone and would appreciate any tips from anyone who has travelled from England via Brize Norton and Ascension Island. I am looking to spend a month self catering on the island. I am a little concerned that I might find myself with no accommodation on Ascension Island if RMS St. Helena is delayed and someone else has booked my room and of course on the return journey via the same route. Has this ever happened? Also, as I don't want to be isolated whilst staying on the island, has anyone any tips on good accommodation, close to or in Jamestown? Whilst I know that the better weather etc is around November, I am looking to travel from April onwards and the dates aren't critical. I do have brochures re St Helena voyages and have the sailing schedules so with enough information I may yet fulfil this childhood dream! I realise that this may not be the usual reason for posting messages on this site but any information and/or tips would be gratefully received. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050317/c151ae73/replyAll.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Fri Mar 18 12:15:41 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Fri Mar 18 12:16:25 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena? Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A40@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> In response to Larry Greenfield's question, I have copied the relavant extract from Shelco's website. Shelco aspires to create and operate St Helena's dedicated airline, tailored to the needs and requirements of St Helenians worldwide, and also to serve a wider customer base of discerning St Helena tourists than is presently possible. Iam not aware of any other publicly stated interest. Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/41295f0f/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Fri Mar 18 21:32:44 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Fri Mar 18 21:33:00 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena? References: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A40@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Message-ID: <001001c52bf9$a40c7ca0$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena?Maybe the airline could be called St Air, with the catchphrase of StAir way to heaven!! I'm sorry, only trying to help Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson Vince To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena? In response to Larry Greenfield's question, I have copied the relavant extract from Shelco's website. Shelco aspires to create and operate St Helena's dedicated airline, tailored to the needs and requirements of St Helenians worldwide, and also to serve a wider customer base of discerning St Helena tourists than is presently possible. Iam not aware of any other publicly stated interest. Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. 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References: <001001c52bf9$a40c7ca0$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> Message-ID: <423B3DA6.000004.00780@JAMES-VT5C100AC> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 8841 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/7b639fa6/attachment-0001.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 2284 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/7b639fa6/attachment-0001.jpg From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Fri Mar 18 21:58:34 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Fri Mar 18 21:58:46 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Message-ID: I will give credit for all of the wit flying around but I for one am thoroughly depressed with the news of the airport. I see the end of St. Helena as I know it. I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. There will no doubt be some trickle down effect but so much will have been lost in the process. There must be another way to improve the situation of the island. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Jon (who else?) Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:33 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Maybe the airline could be called St Air, with the catchphrase of StAir way to heaven!! I'm sorry, only trying to help Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson Vince To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena? In response to Larry Greenfield's question, I have copied the relavant extract from Shelco's website. Shelco aspires to create and operate St Helena's dedicated airline, tailored to the needs and requirements of St Helenians worldwide, and also to serve a wider customer base of discerning St Helena tourists than is presently possible. Iam not aware of any other publicly stated interest. Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/55a79758/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Fri Mar 18 22:57:00 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Fri Mar 18 22:57:17 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? References: Message-ID: <003501c52c05$6a4ae900$6400a8c0@main> What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena?Interesting, Tessa. I didn't want to chime in because, as a non-Saint, I felt it's not for me to say. After all, I'm not going to be the one whom it will affect. But seeing your post, I thought maybe I'd just mention a few things, as just an outsider whose opinions in the end really don't matter on this. First of all, as an outsider, it would be in "my" interest not to have the airport... after all, if someone really wants to visit, they can find ways to visit (witness myself, and a lot of people on this list probably). The airport, after all, will take away much of St. Helena's uniqueness. That said though, the other part of me asks myself that if I were the one living on St Helena, would I want to be treated like a specimin in a bottle, cared about more for the fact of being "old-fashioned", than for what we can become as a people? This is an incredibly complex issue (not the "airport" per se, but progress, and what price progress). Is allowing WalMart to come to small towns and destroy the local atmosphere of the town really progress? But then what about bringing in TV, video, and the internet to an isolated island that has existed happily without them for so many years? I'm sure I don't need to tell everyone this, but everything has a price. Will the airport speed up the diminishing population of the island, as more Saints (esp now with UK citizenship) opt to leave, or will it create an economy where more jobs are available, encouranging those people to stay or return home? You write: I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. But this is what you will have to fight for. The devil is in the details. If you fear wealthy foreigners buying up land, adopt rules closer to that of TDC, severly restricting emigration and ownership of land by outsiders. If wealthy business interests want to buy up all of Half Tree Hollow and turn it into an irrigated 18-hole golf course, or if Hilton wants to open up the Hilton Jamestown, pass local ordinances forbidding this. The airport will definitely mean those who want to preserve a way of life must be on guard more -- including taking preemptive action, passing laws before the problems arrise. Personally, I don't disagree with you, Tessa. I am a little sad, knowing that indeed the airport will change the lifestyle on the island. At the same time, if I were a Saint living on the island, I honestly (honestly) don't know how I would vote on this. I've always been completely torn right down the middle (not caring about making it easier for tourists, but considering the medical/cargo benefits of an airport). And with apologies to the involved private companies up to now, I was completely against any private/corporate funding of an airport. A country's infrastructure is the responsibility of its government. There are a few things that should NOT be left to the free market (Right now in the US, some prisons and problem schools are partially-to-fully managed by corporate businesses, something that is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope the trend ends). You know, ever since I was in primary school, I've been part of a group fighting to keep one of the last areas of wetlands here in California from being turned into another housing tract and shopping mall (20+ years). There have been victories and loses, but we held our ground, and in the end, managed to save most of the wetlands. It's a cliche that people always want to "return to the good old days" of the past. But life is all about change. For better or worse, there's going to be an airport. That airport's going to mean more work and effort to keep what you hold dear about St. Helena still in place -- but if the effort is undertaken, the ill effects of the airport can be managed. If the will is there. And that's what's important. Make the airport of St. Helena work for the SAINTS. Just my thoughts. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/19c56a1d/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Fri Mar 18 23:35:08 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Fri Mar 18 23:35:20 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Message-ID: Great points Larry. I agree this is an extraordinarily complex issue. I have considered all sides of it as well. I admit, and I think I wrote in an email to this list some time ago, that my unhappiness with the coming airport is somewhat selfish. I wish the island could remain the place that is etched in my mind, my memories and my soul, for the same reasons that many of us long for "home" in whatever form that takes. But I do also wish progress and prosperity for the island more than anything. I am afraid of the losses outweighing the benefits though. I think I would be less afraid if the the airport and development were (more) the idea and a project of the government. We hope that one's government has the people's best interest in mind (perhaps not in this country (US) right now...) but a private company has only one interest, that being the "bottom line" and revenues, pleasing their investors etc. The devil IS in the details. Hopefully someone will be ironing out those details and looking out for the best interest of the Saints. To all those with an interest in St. Helena. I would recommend a visit as soon as possible. My sense is that most of you are interested in the island for what it is, the wonderful people and beautiful, varied scenery; as lovely in it's stark coastal areas as it is in lush, ancient Sandy Bay. There's no place like home! -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:57 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Interesting, Tessa. I didn't want to chime in because, as a non-Saint, I felt it's not for me to say. After all, I'm not going to be the one whom it will affect. But seeing your post, I thought maybe I'd just mention a few things, as just an outsider whose opinions in the end really don't matter on this. First of all, as an outsider, it would be in "my" interest not to have the airport... after all, if someone really wants to visit, they can find ways to visit (witness myself, and a lot of people on this list probably). The airport, after all, will take away much of St. Helena's uniqueness. That said though, the other part of me asks myself that if I were the one living on St Helena, would I want to be treated like a specimin in a bottle, cared about more for the fact of being "old-fashioned", than for what we can become as a people? This is an incredibly complex issue (not the "airport" per se, but progress, and what price progress). Is allowing WalMart to come to small towns and destroy the local atmosphere of the town really progress? But then what about bringing in TV, video, and the internet to an isolated island that has existed happily without them for so many years? I'm sure I don't need to tell everyone this, but everything has a price. Will the airport speed up the diminishing population of the island, as more Saints (esp now with UK citizenship) opt to leave, or will it create an economy where more jobs are available, encouranging those people to stay or return home? You write: I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. But this is what you will have to fight for. The devil is in the details. If you fear wealthy foreigners buying up land, adopt rules closer to that of TDC, severly restricting emigration and ownership of land by outsiders. If wealthy business interests want to buy up all of Half Tree Hollow and turn it into an irrigated 18-hole golf course, or if Hilton wants to open up the Hilton Jamestown, pass local ordinances forbidding this. The airport will definitely mean those who want to preserve a way of life must be on guard more -- including taking preemptive action, passing laws before the problems arrise. Personally, I don't disagree with you, Tessa. I am a little sad, knowing that indeed the airport will change the lifestyle on the island. At the same time, if I were a Saint living on the island, I honestly (honestly) don't know how I would vote on this. I've always been completely torn right down the middle (not caring about making it easier for tourists, but considering the medical/cargo benefits of an airport). And with apologies to the involved private companies up to now, I was completely against any private/corporate funding of an airport. A country's infrastructure is the responsibility of its government. There are a few things that should NOT be left to the free market (Right now in the US, some prisons and problem schools are partially-to-fully managed by corporate businesses, something that is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope the trend ends). You know, ever since I was in primary school, I've been part of a group fighting to keep one of the last areas of wetlands here in California from being turned into another housing tract and shopping mall (20+ years). There have been victories and loses, but we held our ground, and in the end, managed to save most of the wetlands. It's a cliche that people always want to "return to the good old days" of the past. But life is all about change. For better or worse, there's going to be an airport. That airport's going to mean more work and effort to keep what you hold dear about St. Helena still in place -- but if the effort is undertaken, the ill effects of the airport can be managed. If the will is there. And that's what's important. Make the airport of St. Helena work for the SAINTS. Just my thoughts. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/364edad0/attachment-0001.htm From vobryant at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 19 03:56:09 2005 From: vobryant at sbcglobal.net (Vanessa OBryant) Date: Sat Mar 19 03:56:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <200503182235.j2IMZbVh009267@rex.kulturservern.se> Message-ID: <20050319025609.80787.qmail@web80808.mail.yahoo.com> I agree. I think that putting in an airport will bring about some very undesirable consequences. Look at Fiji. I realize that there will be some great benefits, but will those outweight the consequences? list-request@sthelena.se wrote:Send List mailing list submissions to list@sthelena.se To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to list-request@sthelena.se You can reach the person managing the list at list-owner@sthelena.se When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? (Tessa M. Hughley) 2. Re: What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? (Larry Greenfield) 3. RE: What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? (Tessa M. Hughley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:58:34 -0800 From: "Tessa M. Hughley" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I will give credit for all of the wit flying around but I for one am thoroughly depressed with the news of the airport. I see the end of St. Helena as I know it. I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. There will no doubt be some trickle down effect but so much will have been lost in the process. There must be another way to improve the situation of the island. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Jon (who else?) Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:33 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Maybe the airline could be called St Air, with the catchphrase of StAir way to heaven!! I'm sorry, only trying to help Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson Vince To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena? In response to Larry Greenfield's question, I have copied the relavant extract from Shelco's website. Shelco aspires to create and operate St Helena's dedicated airline, tailored to the needs and requirements of St Helenians worldwide, and also to serve a wider customer base of discerning St Helena tourists than is presently possible. Iam not aware of any other publicly stated interest. Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/55a79758/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:57:00 -0800 From: "Larry Greenfield" Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" Message-ID: <003501c52c05$6a4ae900$6400a8c0@main> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena?Interesting, Tessa. I didn't want to chime in because, as a non-Saint, I felt it's not for me to say. After all, I'm not going to be the one whom it will affect. But seeing your post, I thought maybe I'd just mention a few things, as just an outsider whose opinions in the end really don't matter on this. First of all, as an outsider, it would be in "my" interest not to have the airport... after all, if someone really wants to visit, they can find ways to visit (witness myself, and a lot of people on this list probably). The airport, after all, will take away much of St. Helena's uniqueness. That said though, the other part of me asks myself that if I were the one living on St Helena, would I want to be treated like a specimin in a bottle, cared about more for the fact of being "old-fashioned", than for what we can become as a people? This is an incredibly complex issue (not the "airport" per se, but progress, and what price progress). Is allowing WalMart to come to small towns and destroy the local atmosphere of the town really progress? But then what about bringing in TV, video, and the internet to an isolated island that has existed happily without them for so many years? I'm sure I don't need to tell everyone this, but everything has a price. Will the airport speed up the diminishing population of the island, as more Saints (esp now with UK citizenship) opt to leave, or will it create an economy where more jobs are available, encouranging those people to stay or return home? You write: I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. But this is what you will have to fight for. The devil is in the details. If you fear wealthy foreigners buying up land, adopt rules closer to that of TDC, severly restricting emigration and ownership of land by outsiders. If wealthy business interests want to buy up all of Half Tree Hollow and turn it into an irrigated 18-hole golf course, or if Hilton wants to open up the Hilton Jamestown, pass local ordinances forbidding this. The airport will definitely mean those who want to preserve a way of life must be on guard more -- including taking preemptive action, passing laws before the problems arrise. Personally, I don't disagree with you, Tessa. I am a little sad, knowing that indeed the airport will change the lifestyle on the island. At the same time, if I were a Saint living on the island, I honestly (honestly) don't know how I would vote on this. I've always been completely torn right down the middle (not caring about making it easier for tourists, but considering the ! medical/cargo benefits of an airport). And with apologies to the involved private companies up to now, I was completely against any private/corporate funding of an airport. A country's infrastructure is the responsibility of its government. There are a few things that should NOT be left to the free market (Right now in the US, some prisons and problem schools are partially-to-fully managed by corporate businesses, something that is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope the trend ends). You know, ever since I was in primary school, I've been part of a group fighting to keep one of the last areas of wetlands here in California from being turned into another housing tract and shopping mall (20+ years). There have been victories and loses, but we held our ground, and in the end, managed to save most of the wetlands. It's a cliche that people always want to "return to the good old days" of the past. But life is all about change. For better or worse, there's going to be an airport. That airport's going to mean more work and effort to keep what you hold dear about St. Helena still in place -- but if the effort is undertaken, the ill effects of the airport can be managed. If the will is there. And that's what's important. Make the airport of St. Helena work for the SAINTS. Just my thoughts. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/19c56a1d/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:35:08 -0800 From: "Tessa M. Hughley" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Great points Larry. I agree this is an extraordinarily complex issue. I have considered all sides of it as well. I admit, and I think I wrote in an email to this list some time ago, that my unhappiness with the coming airport is somewhat selfish. I wish the island could remain the place that is etched in my mind, my memories and my soul, for the same reasons that many of us long for "home" in whatever form that takes. But I do also wish progress and prosperity for the island more than anything. I am afraid of the losses outweighing the benefits though. I think I would be less afraid if the the airport and development were (more) the idea and a project of the government. We hope that one's government has the people's best interest in mind (perhaps not in this country (US) right now...) but a private company has only one interest, that being the "bottom line" and revenues, pleasing their investors etc. The devil IS in the details. Hopefully someone will be ironing out those details and looking out for the best interest of the Saints. To all those with an interest in St. Helena. I would recommend a visit as soon as possible. My sense is that most of you are interested in the island for what it is, the wonderful people and beautiful, varied scenery; as lovely in it's stark coastal areas as it is in lush, ancient Sandy Bay. There's no place like home! -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:57 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Interesting, Tessa. I didn't want to chime in because, as a non-Saint, I felt it's not for me to say. After all, I'm not going to be the one whom it will affect. But seeing your post, I thought maybe I'd just mention a few things, as just an outsider whose opinions in the end really don't matter on this. First of all, as an outsider, it would be in "my" interest not to have the airport... after all, if someone really wants to visit, they can find ways to visit (witness myself, and a lot of people on this list probably). The airport, after all, will take away much of St. Helena's uniqueness. That said though, the other part of me asks myself that if I were the one living on St Helena, would I want to be treated like a specimin in a bottle, cared about more for the fact of being "old-fashioned", than for what we can become as a people? This is an incredibly complex issue (not the "airport" per se, but progress, and what price progress). Is allowing WalMart to come to small towns and destroy the local atmosphere of the town really progress? But then what about bringing in TV, video, and the internet to an isolated island that has existed happily without them for so many years? I'm sure I don't need to tell everyone this, but everything has a price. Will the airport speed up the diminishing population of the island, as more Saints (esp now with UK citizenship) opt to leave, or will it create an economy where more jobs are available, encouranging those people to stay or return home? You write: I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. But this is what you will have to fight for. The devil is in the details. If you fear wealthy foreigners buying up land, adopt rules closer to that of TDC, severly restricting emigration and ownership of land by outsiders. If wealthy business interests want to buy up all of Half Tree Hollow and turn it into an irrigated 18-hole golf course, or if Hilton wants to open up the Hilton Jamestown, pass local ordinances forbidding this. The airport will definitely mean those who want to preserve a way of life must be on guard more -- including taking preemptive action, passing laws before the problems arrise. Personally, I don't disagree with you, Tessa. I am a little sad, knowing that indeed the airport will change the lifestyle on the island. At the same time, if I were a Saint living on the island, I honestly (honestly) don't know how I would vote on this. I've always been completely torn right down the middle (not caring about making it easier for tourists, but considering the ! medical/cargo benefits of an airport). And with apologies to the involved private companies up to now, I was completely against any private/corporate funding of an airport. A country's infrastructure is the responsibility of its government. There are a few things that should NOT be left to the free market (Right now in the US, some prisons and problem schools are partially-to-fully managed by corporate businesses, something that is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope the trend ends). You know, ever since I was in primary school, I've been part of a group fighting to keep one of the last areas of wetlands here in California from being turned into another housing tract and shopping mall (20+ years). There have been victories and loses, but we held our ground, and in the end, managed to save most of the wetlands. It's a cliche that people always want to "return to the good old days" of the past. But life is all about change. For better or worse, there's going to be an airport. That airport's going to mean more work and effort to keep what you hold dear about St. Helena still in place -- but if the effort is undertaken, the ill effects of the airport can be managed. If the will is there. And that's what's important. Make the airport of St. Helena work for the SAINTS. Just my thoughts. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/364edad0/attachment.htm ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ List mailing list List@sthelena.se http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list End of List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 *********************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/b2c004e4/attachment-0001.htm From vmawson at iprimus.com.au Sat Mar 19 05:36:01 2005 From: vmawson at iprimus.com.au (Vivienne Mawson) Date: Sat Mar 19 05:40:07 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65ADEC82-9830-11D9-B34D-000A95CF459A@iprimus.com.au> Good for you, Tessa! I, too, am appalled. The qualities that make the island so extraordinary and so special will disappear, and with it any chance of its being attractive to people looking for something different (and there are increasing numbers of those). I cannot fathom why the island didn't push for a small ship linking Ascension and St Helena (the large catamarans are quite capable of making the trip--and one built in Tasmania holds the world speed record for crossing the Atlantic). Ascension airport can take large planes from the US and UK. The cost would have been less, and the destruction of half the island averted. But this dream of a plane (a cargo cult if there ever was one) has been around for many, many years. I think it's a disaster. Vivienne Mawson (a frequent visitor to the island in the past 40 years) Tasmania On 19/03/2005, at 7:58 AM, Tessa M. Hughley wrote: > I will give credit for all of the wit flying around but I for one am > thoroughly depressed with the news of the airport.? I see the end of > St. Helena as I know it.? I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; > the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who > will come in and take possession of the soul of the island.? There > will no doubt be some trickle down effect but so much will have been > lost in the process. > ? > There must be another way to improve the situation of the island. > -----Original Message----- > From:list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf OfJon (who else?) > Sent:Friday, March 18, 2005 12:33 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject:Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving > St.Helena? > > Maybe the airline could be called St Air, with the catchphrase of > StAir way to heaven!! > ? > I'm sorry, only trying to help > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thompson Vince > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent:Friday, March 18, 2005 11:15 AM > Subject:[STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St. > Helena? > > > > > In response to Larry Greenfield's question, I have copied the relavant > extract from Shelco's website. > > Shelco aspires to create and operate St Helena's dedicated airline, > tailored to the needs and requirements of St Helenians worldwide, and > also to serve a wider customer base of discerning St Helena tourists > than is presently possible. > > Iam not aware of any other publicly stated interest. > > Vince Thompson > > *********************************************************************** > ************************* > > The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may > also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. > > This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original > intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is > not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by > mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the > email and any copies from your system. > > Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the > senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. > > *********************************************************************** > ************************* > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. Vivienne Mawson (Dr) 11 Balemo Street South Arm, Tas 7022 tel: +61 (0)3 6239 9935 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5544 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050319/a38ab763/attachment.bin From roncroker at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 23:07:04 2005 From: roncroker at gmail.com (Ron Croker) Date: Sat Mar 19 23:07:34 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Message-ID: <004201c52cd0$09958220$f0122b54@homedmtl5utncf> May I add my total agreement to this thread. It is the uniqueness of St Helena and its remoteness that is its main attraction to visitors. Once it is opened up to mass tourism this will all be lost. I have heard several Saints say we already have an airport - at Ascension. What we need is a frequent fast sea shuttle between Ascension and St Helena. A fortnight holiday package giving 3 days in Ascension, a week in St Helena and a sea cruise of 3 days with connecting flights via Ascension to UK and Cape Town. I am sure that would be very popular. It would bring all the benefits of tourism to the island without destroying what is the special mystery and uniqueness of St Helena. There are many problems associated with an airport at St Helena that don't appear to have been discussed or considered either by the developers, prospective airlines or the tourist industry and public in general. Getting the required giant earth removers, bulldozers, lorries etc up to Prosperous Plain from Jamestown for building the runway will be a major problem in itself. The roads are far too narrow with hairpin bends. Perhaps a brand new road straight up to the plain could be built from Rupert's valley but this would be a major project in itself. There is a limit to the length of the runway with steep cliffs at one end and hills at the other. Only one runway could be built. Little research has been done on the weather conditions that can exist on Prosperous Plain. While it can be hot, dry and sunny down in Jamestown, on the Plain it can be wet, chilly with thick fog and low cloud over the hills for hours or even days on end. On top of this a severe wind shear at low level and updraught from the cliffs frequently exists. This could rate St Helena as one of the most dangerour airports in the world similar to the island of Madeira and Thorshavn in the Faroe Islands. Finally bearing all these points in mind there is the choice of aircraft to use and the economics of running the air service. Any aircraft has to be large enough to carry the fuel needed for the 1000 mile journey. Up to an hour to hold over the island waiting for possible weather improvement and in the worse case sufficient fuel to return to the nearest airport. Additionally there is also a reserve of fuel required to cover the worst case. It wouldn't take any airline long to discover that frequent cancelled flights or aborted landings plus minimum passenger load factor were proving the whole route uneconomic. It took 20 years of research and planning before the three small wind generators were built on the island to quickly became white elephants. Is the planned airfield for St Helena going to end up a white mammoth! Ron Croker. Ex Weatherman Bottom Woods 1987-1991 ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivienne Mawson To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Good for you, Tessa! I, too, am appalled. The qualities that make the island so extraordinary and so special will disappear, and with it any chance of its being attractive to people looking for something different (and there are increasing numbers of those). I cannot fathom why the island didn't push for a small ship linking Ascension and St Helena (the large catamarans are quite capable of making the trip--and one built in Tasmania holds the world speed record for crossing the Atlantic). Ascension airport can take large planes from the US and UK. The cost would have been less, and the destruction of half the island averted. But this dream of a plane (a cargo cult if there ever was one) has been around for many, many years. I think it's a disaster. Vivienne Mawson (a frequent visitor to the island in the past 40 years) Tasmania On 19/03/2005, at 7:58 AM, Tessa M. Hughley wrote: I will give credit for all of the wit flying around but I for one am thoroughly depressed with the news of the airport. I see the end of St. Helena as I know it. I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. There will no doubt be some trickle down effect but so much will have been lost in the process. There must be another way to improve the situation of the island. From Hdchucker at aol.com Sun Mar 20 01:46:18 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 20 01:46:30 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Message-ID: <1c8.24e37879.2f6e21da@aol.com> It might be that the people on St. Helena should either adjust their lives to the way it is on the Island, or find some way of getting away from it. It reminds me of a town in the eastern Sierra's called Bridgeport. There is a constant flux of people to go there as it is a mountain paradise. But, when they get there they find that the people who live there don't want economic advancement to happen. The new people, hoping to make it there, soon find their dreams fading away. There is a constant fight over anything to promote the economy, and many are only too glad when the summer season is over so that the town is once again a little mountain community. I don't think St. Helena is exactly like Bridgeport, but it does remind me a bit of it. A whole lot of "Yeah-Butts" whenever something is proposed. It may be that the island is just too small to withstand a large amount of tourism. I am sure that there are many there who celebrate the way the island is, and enjoy watching the sun go to bed in the evening. Chuk'r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050319/fadfe1b3/attachment.htm From svest at mindspring.com Sun Mar 20 01:07:04 2005 From: svest at mindspring.com (Steven W. Vest) Date: Sun Mar 20 02:07:58 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? In-Reply-To: <1c8.24e37879.2f6e21da@aol.com> References: <1c8.24e37879.2f6e21da@aol.com> Message-ID: <1111277223.4375.7.camel@shemp> I am just a person interested in the culture of the island. I have never been to Saint Helena and do not anticipate getting a chance to go there. I am just fascinated by the remote society. When it comes to an airport, it kind of bothers me too. The remoteness is the attraction of the island. But I think what happens to the island should be what the inhabitants decide. It is there home and nothing can change that. It is fine to say, if you want a more modern lifestyle, go somewhere else, but nothing is like home. This is purely an issue for the inhabitants, although I would prefer the island remain remote and hopefully some day I will get a chance to visit. My 2 cents, Steve Vest -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Hdchucker@aol.com Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:46:18 EST Size: 5573 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050319/26d7f2b0/attachment.eml From cplowe at mchsi.com Sun Mar 20 05:39:42 2005 From: cplowe at mchsi.com (C. Pamela Lowe-Hoyte, MD) Date: Sun Mar 20 05:39:52 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? References: <004201c52cd0$09958220$f0122b54@homedmtl5utncf> Message-ID: <000f01c52d06$d5e7a930$0200a8c0@Pam> I have never visited the island but had a great grand mother and grand mother born there and a great grand father stationed there during the Boer War. I have been fascinated by all it has to offer and by its remoteness but certainly understand the desire of the inhabitants to have access to the mod-cons available to others. I wondered about flying and landing conditions, was particulary thinking about wind sheer and had already decided that I would probably prefer to land from a cruise ship even though that looks like an adventure in itself. I was interested to read you view of the problems to be encountered in getting jet service. Thanks for the info and I hope you and others keep us posted with progress or lack thereof. I hope to visit some day. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Croker" To: "STH News Group" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? > May I add my total agreement to this thread. It is the uniqueness of St > Helena and its remoteness that is its main attraction to visitors. Once > it > is opened up to mass tourism this will all be lost. I have heard several > Saints say we already have an airport - at Ascension. What we need is a > frequent fast sea shuttle between Ascension and St Helena. > > A fortnight holiday package giving 3 days in Ascension, a week in St > Helena > and a sea cruise of 3 days with connecting flights via Ascension to UK and > Cape Town. I am sure that would be very popular. It would bring all the > benefits of tourism to the island without destroying what is the special > mystery and uniqueness of St Helena. > > There are many problems associated with an airport at St Helena that don't > appear to have been discussed or considered either by the developers, > prospective airlines or the tourist industry and public in general. > > Getting the required giant earth removers, bulldozers, lorries etc up to > Prosperous Plain from Jamestown for building the runway will be a major > problem in itself. The roads are far too narrow with hairpin bends. > Perhaps > a brand new road straight up to the plain could be built from Rupert's > valley but this would be a major project in itself. > > There is a limit to the length of the runway with steep cliffs at one end > and hills at the other. Only one runway could be built. > Little research has been done on the weather conditions that can exist on > Prosperous Plain. While it can be hot, dry and sunny down in Jamestown, on > the Plain it can be wet, chilly with thick fog and low cloud over the > hills > for hours or even days on end. On top of this a severe wind shear at low > level and updraught from the cliffs frequently exists. This could rate St > Helena as one of the most dangerour airports in the world similar to the > island of Madeira and Thorshavn in the Faroe Islands. > > Finally bearing all these points in mind there is the choice of aircraft > to > use and the economics of running the air service. Any aircraft has to be > large enough to carry the fuel needed for the 1000 mile journey. Up to an > hour to hold over the island waiting for possible weather improvement and > in > the worse case sufficient fuel to return to the nearest airport. > Additionally there is also a reserve of fuel required to cover the worst > case. It wouldn't take any airline long to discover that frequent > cancelled > flights or aborted landings plus minimum passenger load factor were > proving > the whole route uneconomic. > > It took 20 years of research and planning before the three small wind > generators were built on the island to quickly became white elephants. Is > the planned airfield for St Helena going to end up a white mammoth! > > Ron Croker. > Ex Weatherman Bottom Woods 1987-1991 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vivienne Mawson > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:36 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving > St.Helena? > > > Good for you, Tessa! I, too, am appalled. The qualities that make the > island > so extraordinary and so special will disappear, and with it any chance of > its being attractive to people looking for something different (and there > are increasing numbers of those). I cannot fathom why the island didn't > push > for a small ship linking Ascension and St Helena (the large catamarans are > quite capable of making the trip--and one built in Tasmania holds the > world > speed record for crossing the Atlantic). Ascension airport can take large > planes from the US and UK. The cost would have been less, and the > destruction of half the island averted. But this dream of a plane (a cargo > cult if there ever was one) has been around for many, many years. I think > it's a disaster. > Vivienne Mawson (a frequent visitor to the island in the past 40 years) > Tasmania > On 19/03/2005, at 7:58 AM, Tessa M. Hughley wrote: > > > I will give credit for all of the wit flying around but I for one am > thoroughly depressed with the news of the airport. I see the end of St. > Helena as I know it. I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the > housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will > come > in and take possession of the soul of the island. There will no doubt be > some trickle down effect but so much will have been lost in the process. > > There must be another way to improve the situation of the island. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From ahs at st-helena.org Sun Mar 20 21:31:11 2005 From: ahs at st-helena.org (A.H.Schulenburg) Date: Sun Mar 20 21:31:35 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? References: <004201c52cd0$09958220$f0122b54@homedmtl5utncf> Message-ID: <00e901c52d8b$f0403150$7a1a86d4@TIME2003> Ron Corker wrote: > Getting the required giant earth removers, bulldozers, lorries etc up to > Prosperous Plain from Jamestown for building the runway will be a major > problem in itself. The roads are far too narrow with hairpin bends. > Perhaps > a brand new road straight up to the plain could be built from Rupert's > valley but this would be a major project in itself. The last I heard was that the heavy machinery would be landed at Prosperous Bay and taken up to the Plain via from there. Regards, Alexander Schulenburg From digas at supanet.com Sun Mar 20 20:19:34 2005 From: digas at supanet.com (digas) Date: Sun Mar 20 21:45:39 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] 1st visit to St Helena Message-ID: <002701c52d8d$c0b84e70$44ac6fd4@mrjwjbev8ayn5z> Thank you John and Vince for your replies to my request for information re my visit to the island. With your advice in mind I have booked my passage for the end of April. My only disappointment being that, because of the boat schedule, I could not stay for the month that was my ideal. I am so looking forward to this visit. As to talking to passers by, I must have inherited the trait because where ever I have travelled I have always been able to talk to the local residents! That is the whole point of travel as far as I am concerned. Whilst on the island I hope I will be able to trace some of my family tree, my Great Grandmother Thomas having been born there. Once again, many thanks. Regards, Diane Gaskell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050320/487ef3ef/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Mon Mar 21 09:53:00 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Mon Mar 21 09:51:38 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Pros and cons of the airport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c52df3$65d83c20$0a0b000a@shgbank10> I arrived this morning to an unusually large crop of email messages, and found that most of them are from this group discussing the relative merits of St. Helena having an airport. Few seemed to be in favour, so let me update you with a few local realities: * The island is currently supported by the UK taxpayer, to the tune of at least ?13m/annum. Everyone agrees it needs an economy. * The island's population has halved since 1998 and many local businesses are operating on or below the verge of viability because there are just too few customers. * If the trend continues, the island will become the isolated natural paradise some of the writers seem to desire, because it will be completely devoid of any permanent human population. I agree there are risks to having an airport. Any change has risks. The important thing to consider (and I speak as an experienced change manager) is that not changing also has risks. The island's economic future is dependent, at least in the medium term, on tourism. As many of you who have attempted to visit will testify, that requires an international airport. It has taken the UK Government many years to come to that conclusion, with just about every other solution having been tried and having failed. DfID have now committed to spending a large sum of money on the airport (no figures have been released but estimates run in the ?60-100m range) because, they have concluded, it is the only way forward for the island. Judging by what has been said here since last Monday, the island, on the whole, agrees. To address two specific dangers that people have raised (both of which, you will be pleased to hear, have already been considered extensively when making the decision): * St. Helena is never going to be Ibiza in the South Atlantic. It wouldn't be practicable - given our location - even if we wanted it to happen. The island recognises that it's environment is the main attraction for visitors and that over-development of tourism would destroy the very thing the visitors come to see. We are fortunate that we have many examples elsewhere (positive and negative) to learn from in this respect. * Who benefits from the economic development will depend on the islanders. There is an opportunity for local businesses to thrive, serving the needs of tourism. The alternative, where all the skills are imported and the islanders just become toilet cleaners, is not an acceptable option. I believe St. Helena can achieve this and have (publicly) committed the bank to helping in the process. Read our press release (home page of www.sainthelenabank.com). St. Helena is not an ecological experiment, it's a living place. It will change, airport or not. With the airport that change can be positive - without it, the evidence shows, it will be negative. John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050321/db7768e7/attachment.htm From hkitabayashi at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 11:17:35 2005 From: hkitabayashi at yahoo.com (Hikaru Kitabayashi) Date: Mon Mar 21 11:17:46 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Pros and cons of the airport In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050321101735.74291.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been a passive member of this list for perhaps six or seven years, having become a member for the whimsical reason that I have a soft spot for the name, Helen, and its different variations. I have learned a lot and am well pleased with my membership. However, I now think I should voice support for Mr. Turner's latest email to this list. Wherever mankind has settled, human beings have always become a critical part of the ecology and, when people abandon an area they have previously settled, it almost never can return to what it was before human settlement took place. Usually the resulting environmental balance remains in a more or less degraded state. The important thing is not stopping, reversing, or blocking environmental and social change, but to manage it as only enlightened, well-educated, human beings are capable of doing. My position is that after several hundred years of human settlement, the only feasible way to protect the St. Helena ecological system is by human intervention and human investment. This, it seems to me, can only be possible over the long run if the St. Helena economy is producing a healthy economic surplus and, barring a solution to St. Helena's isolation from the world economy, any hope of this occuring naturally seems misguided. I think that an airport is an extremely important first step in reversing an economic decline which, in any major economy, would have already caused a worldwide economic depression of devastating proportions. I personally would like to be on the first plane of visitors to touch down at the airport when it is finished. Hikaru Kitabayashi Hikaru Kitabayashi, Chair Department of English Faculty of Foreign Languages Daito Bunka University 1-9-1 Takashimadaira Itabashi-ku, Tokyo-to 175-8571 JAPAN From ccprp at planet.nl Mon Mar 21 11:36:33 2005 From: ccprp at planet.nl (Rolf Weijburg) Date: Mon Mar 21 11:36:42 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Pros and cons of the airport References: <000001c52df3$65d83c20$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <000e01c52e01$d9bcc800$0e00000a@rolf276084b285> MessageI think you're completely right in all this, John. But why isn't the "in between" option of using Ascension as Saint Helena's airport considered. One could intercontinentally fly into Ascension, then change onto a regular inter-island boat connection to Saint Helena. This would save a large part of the 60 to 100 million you mention, while still bring enough change to SH plus preserve something of SH's isolation. What I dont understand is that while there is a fully equipped and very large Airport not too far away the UK Govt has decided after all those debates on pros and cons to go for the costliest of all options... Is this because the military on Ascension oppose to too many strangers strolling about their installations? Rolf Weijburg ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Pros and cons of the airport I arrived this morning to an unusually large crop of email messages, and found that most of them are from this group discussing the relative merits of St. Helena having an airport. Few seemed to be in favour, so let me update you with a few local realities: a.. The island is currently supported by the UK taxpayer, to the tune of at least ?13m/annum. Everyone agrees it needs an economy. b.. The island's population has halved since 1998 and many local businesses are operating on or below the verge of viability because there are just too few customers. c.. If the trend continues, the island will become the isolated natural paradise some of the writers seem to desire, because it will be completely devoid of any permanent human population. I agree there are risks to having an airport. Any change has risks. The important thing to consider (and I speak as an experienced change manager) is that not changing also has risks. The island's economic future is dependent, at least in the medium term, on tourism. As many of you who have attempted to visit will testify, that requires an international airport. It has taken the UK Government many years to come to that conclusion, with just about every other solution having been tried and having failed. DfID have now committed to spending a large sum of money on the airport (no figures have been released but estimates run in the ?60-100m range) because, they have concluded, it is the only way forward for the island. Judging by what has been said here since last Monday, the island, on the whole, agrees. To address two specific dangers that people have raised (both of which, you will be pleased to hear, have already been considered extensively when making the decision): a.. St. Helena is never going to be Ibiza in the South Atlantic. It wouldn't be practicable - given our location - even if we wanted it to happen. The island recognises that it's environment is the main attraction for visitors and that over-development of tourism would destroy the very thing the visitors come to see. We are fortunate that we have many examples elsewhere (positive and negative) to learn from in this respect. b.. Who benefits from the economic development will depend on the islanders. There is an opportunity for local businesses to thrive, serving the needs of tourism. The alternative, where all the skills are imported and the islanders just become toilet cleaners, is not an acceptable option. I believe St. Helena can achieve this and have (publicly) committed the bank to helping in the process. Read our press release (home page of www.sainthelenabank.com). St. Helena is not an ecological experiment, it's a living place. It will change, airport or not. With the airport that change can be positive - without it, the evidence shows, it will be negative. John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050321/257f2118/attachment-0001.htm From jrnixon at canl.nc Sat Mar 19 07:05:49 2005 From: jrnixon at canl.nc (John Nixon) Date: Mon Mar 21 12:03:36 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 References: <20050319025609.80787.qmail@web80808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c52c49$b4384af0$d2d84aca@R600> I must say that this forum has become extremely interesting over the last few weeks, with input from some very knowledgeable and focussed people. Airport: I would not comment on the wiseness of the projected airport at St Helena, but I would like to add a few words concerning aviation in the South Pacific Island countries. I have lived and worked for over 40 years in several of these Island nations (New Caledonia, Vanuatu, Solomon Islands, Tahiti, Fiji....), providing computer sytems (hardware, software and support) to their governments, banks, and commercial enterprises. To just about everybody in this region, it would be unthinkable to be without air transport. Urgent medical evacuations happen almost daily taking people back to Australia and New Zealand for often lifesaving treatment. I note the excellent information provided by the bank officer on St Helena. No doubt they use some form of computerised accounting systems. I remember vividly when a cyclone took the roof off the (concrete) Banque Indosuez building in Port Vila, and completely destroyed the data processing equipment there. The bank (and public service) was virtually shut down until I, the incumbent supplier, found a solution. We had file and software backups at another site naturally, but I had to phone around the world to quickly find a replacement central processor and disk drives. The units were airfreighted to Tontouta airport in New Caledonia within 48 hours, and I chartered a Twin Otter aircraft with cargo doors to get the equipment from New Caledonia to Vanuatu. A mate and I (both pilots) flew the precious cargo through frightful weather to Port Vila, and had the bank up and running again in no time. For both the bank, and the government, we were heros! But without an airport? I can't imagine what would have happened. But Vanessa says " I think that putting in an airport will bring about some very undesirable consequences. Look at Fiji." What about Fiji Vanessa? What's your point? Fiji has always had airports, the main one at Nadi has been a Pacific Hub for ages. Suva has had an airport also for longer than I've been around (a long time....) The only real drama in Fiji had nothing to do with airports as far as I know. It was the British Government encouraging the import of Indian labourers way back (and no doubt by boat) to work in the cane fields. The Indians and Melanesians have never integrated, and just about all of the dramas there over the last half century at least have stemmed from racial issues related to this. Anyway I send greetings to all on the list, and will pull back out of the debate, but follow it with great interest. John Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: Vanessa OBryant To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15 I agree. I think that putting in an airport will bring about some very undesirable consequences. Look at Fiji. I realize that there will be some great benefits, but will those outweight the consequences? list-request@sthelena.se wrote: Send List mailing list submissions to list@sthelena.se To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to list-request@sthelena.se You can reach the person managing the list at list-owner@sthelena.se When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? (Tessa M. Hughley) 2. Re: What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? (Larry Greenfield) 3. RE: What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? (Tessa M. Hughley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12! :58:34 -0800 From: "Tessa M. Hughley" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I will give credit for all of the wit flying around but I for one am thoroughly depressed with the news of the airport. I see the end of St. Helena as I know it. I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. There will no doubt be some trickle down effect but so much will have been lost in the process. There must be another way to improve the situation of the island. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On! Behalf Of Jon (who else?) Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:33 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Maybe the airline could be called St Air, with the catchphrase of StAir way to heaven!! I'm sorry, only trying to help Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson Vince To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena? In response to Larry Greenfield's question, I have copied the relavant extract from Shelco's website. Shelco aspires to create and operate St Helena's dedicated airline, tailored to the needs and requirements of St Helenians worldwide, and also to serve a wider customer base of discerning St Helena tourists than is presently possible. Iam not aware of! any other publicly stated interest. Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/55a79758/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:57:00 -0800 From: "Larry Greenfield" Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" Message-ID: <003501c52c05$6a4ae900$6400a8c0@main> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What airlines would be interested in serving St. Helena?Interesting, Tessa. I didn't want to chime in because, as a non-Saint, I felt it's not for me to say. After all, I'm not going to be the one whom it will affect. But seeing your post, I thought maybe I'd just mention a few things, as just ! an outsider whose opinions in the end really don't matter on this. First of all, as an outsider, it would be in "my" interest not to have the airport... after all, if someone really wants to visit, they can find ways to visit (witness myself, and a lot of people on this list probably). The airport, after all, will take away much of St. Helena's uniqueness. That said though, the other part of me asks myself that if I were the one living on St Helena, would I want to be treated like a specimin in a bottle, cared about more for the fact of being "old-fashioned", than for what we can become as a people? This is an incredibly complex issue (not the "airport" per se, but progress, and what price progress). Is allowing WalMart to come to small towns and destroy the local atmosphere of the town really progress? But then what about bringing in TV, video, and the internet to an isolated island that has existed happily without them for so many years? I'm sure I don't need t! o tell everyone this, but everything has a price. Will the airport speed up the diminishing population of the island, as more Saints (esp now with UK citizenship) opt to leave, or will it create an economy where more jobs are available, encouranging those people to stay or return home? You write: I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in and take possession of the soul of the island. But this is what you will have to fight for. The devil is in the details. If you fear wealthy foreigners buying up land, adopt rules closer to that of TDC, severly restricting emigration and ownership of land by outsiders. If wealthy business interests want to buy up all of Half Tree Hollow and turn it into an irrigated 18-hole golf course, or if Hilton wants to open up the Hilton Jamestown, pass local ordinances forbidding this. The airport will definitely mean those who want to preserve a way of li! fe must be on guard more -- including taking preemptive action, passing laws before the problems arrise. Personally, I don't disagree with you, Tessa. I am a little sad, knowing that indeed the airport will change the lifestyle on the island. At the same time, if I were a Saint living on the island, I honestly (honestly) don't know how I would vote on this. I've always been completely torn right down the middle (not caring about making it easier for tourists, but considering the ! medical/cargo benefits of an airport). And with apologies to the involved private companies up to now, I was completely against any private/corporate funding of an airport. A country's infrastructure is the responsibility of its government. There are a few things that should NOT be left to the free market (Right now in the US, some prisons and problem schools are partially-to-fully managed by corporate businesses, something that is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope the trend ends). You know, eve! r since I was in primary school, I've been part of a group fighting to keep one of the last areas of wetlands here in California from being turned into another housing tract and shopping mall (20+ years). There have been victories and loses, but we held our ground, and in the end, managed to save most of the wetlands. It's a cliche that people always want to "return to the good old days" of the past. But life is all about change. For better or worse, there's going to be an airport. That airport's going to mean more work and effort to keep what you hold dear about St. Helena still in place -- but if the effort is undertaken, the ill effects of the airport can be managed. If the will is there. And that's what's important. Make the airport of St. Helena work for the SAINTS. Just my thoughts. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050318/19c56a1d/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:35:08 -0800 From: "Tessa M. Hughley" Subject: RE: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Great points Larry. I agree this is an extraordinarily complex issue. I have considered all sides of it as well. I admit, and I think I wrote in an email to this list some time ago, that my unhappiness with the coming airport is somewhat selfish. I wish the island could remain the place that is etched in my mind, my memories and my soul, for the same reasons that many of us long for "home" in whatever form that takes. B! ut I do also wish progress and prosperity for the island more than anything. I am afraid of the losses outweighing the benefits though. I think I would be less afraid if the the airport and development were (more) the idea and a project of the government. We hope that one's government has the people's best interest in mind (perhaps not in this country (US) right now...) but a private company has only one interest, that being the "bottom line" and revenues, pleasing their investors etc. The devil IS in the details. Hopefully someone will be ironing out those details and looking out for the best interest of the Saints. To all those with an interest in St. Helena. I would recommend a visit as soon as possible. My sense is that most of you are interested in the island for what it is, the wonderful people and beautiful, varied scenery; as lovely in it's stark coastal areas as it is in lush, ancient Sandy Bay. There's no place like home! -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:57 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] What airlines would be interested in serving St.Helena? Interesting, Tessa. I didn't want to chime in because, as a non-Saint, I felt it's not for me to say. After all, I'm not going to be the one whom it will affect. But seeing your post, I thought maybe I'd just mention a few things, as just an outsider whose opinions in the end really don't matter on this. First of all, as an outsider, it would be in "my" interest not to have the airport... after all, if someone really wants to visit, they can find ways to visit (witness myself, and a lot of people on this list probably). The airport, after all, will take away much of St. Helena's uniqueness. That said though, the other part of me asks myself that if I wer! e the one living on St Helena, would I want to be treated like a specimin in a bottle, cared about more for the fact of being "old-fashioned", than for what we can become as a people? This is an incredibly complex issue (not the "airport" per se, but progress, and what price progress). Is allowing WalMart to come to small towns and destroy the local atmosphere of the town really progress? But then what about bringing in TV, video, and the internet to an isolated island that has existed happily without them for so many years? I'm sure I don't need to tell everyone this, but everything has a price. Will the airport speed up the diminishing population of the island, as more Saints (esp now with UK citizenship) opt to leave, or will it create an economy where more jobs are available, encouranging those people to stay or return home? You write: I see the Saints becoming a servant culture; the housekeepers, bedmakers and caddies for the wealthy outsiders who will come in a! nd take possession of the soul of the island. But this is what you will have to fight for. The devil is in the details. If you fear wealthy foreigners buying up land, adopt rules closer to that of TDC, severly restricting emigration and ownership of land by outsiders. If wealthy business interests want to buy up all of Half Tree Hollow and turn it into an irrigated 18-hole golf course, or if Hilton wants to open up the Hilton Jamestown, pass local ordinances forbidding this. The airport will definitely mean those who want to preserve a way of life must be on guard more -- including taking preemptive action, passing laws before the problems arrise. Personally, I don't disagree with you, Tessa. I am a little sad, knowing that indeed the airport will change the lifestyle on the island. At the same time, if I were a Saint living on the island, I honestly (honestly) don't know how I would vote on this. I've always been completely torn right down the middle (not caring about makin! g it easier for tourists, but considering the ! medical/cargo benefits of an airport). And with apologies to the involved private companies up to now, I was completely against any private/corporate funding of an airport. A country's infrastructure is the responsibility of its government. There are a few things that should NOT be left to the free market (Right now in the US, some prisons and problem schools are partially-to-fully managed by corporate businesses, something that is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope the trend ends). You know, ever since I was in primary school, I've been part of a group fighting to keep one of the last areas of wetlands here in California from being turned into another housing tract and shopping mall (20+ years). There have been victories and loses, but we held our ground, and in the end, managed to save most of the wetlands. It's a cliche that people always want to "return to the good old days" of the past. But life is all about ch! ange. For better or worse, there's going to be an airport. That airport's going to mean more work and effort to keep what you hold dear about St. Helena still in place -- but if the effort is undertaken, the ill effects of the airport can be managed. If the will is there. And that's what's important. 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I think for those of us living abroad we want to see the St Helena we know and love whenever we have the chance to go back there. But no community exists in a museum. All communities must evolve, in a Darwinesque kind of way, or probably die. With the current, permanent, economic stagnation and depopulation of the island there are many islanders who are genuinely afraid of the latter scenario. 'Will the last person to leave the island please switch off the lights' was a bit of dry humour on some people's lips not long ago. In an e-mail I received today from St Helena, the writer put the situation very succinctly. He said, 'Definitely the 'word on the streets' is that we need an airport and the problems it will bring are manageable whereas the ones caused by its absence are not.' Kind Regards Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050321/5c12fba0/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Tue Mar 22 21:04:11 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Tue Mar 22 21:04:39 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Bank of St. Helena References: <000001c52df3$65d83c20$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <005e01c52f1a$50a08740$6400a8c0@main> MessageTo change the subject from the airport just a bit, since we have a banker here on the ML, I thought I'd ask: has the credit card service charge been standarized on the island yet? I see on the bank's page that cash advances are 5%.. but I'm wondering about purchases. When I visited in 2001, the surcharge for using a credit card ranged from nothing (the Jamestown Spar, yay!) to .. I think it was 5% or 8%? I forget because I didn't use the card much, but remember some of the hotels had a higher rate. At C&W, I remember being told it was 5%, but then the lady only charged me 2.5%. At the time (and again, cards were still relatively new, so I know people were getting used to them), there was a wide range of surcharges for the card.. and I like that the Jamestown Spar (don't know about the HTH one) didn't tack on a service charge for charging purchases (not cash advances, but purchases). I'm wondering if it's now been standardized on the island or not, and where the card transactions go through. I ask this, because when I returned home and saw my Visa bill, for the Jamestown Spar purchases, it was listed as coming from the "South Georgia Museum, Falkland Islands, FK" By the way, on the bank's page about advacnes, you show the MasterCard & Maestro logo.. it might be helpful to show the Cirrus logo too, as I believe they are interchangable (they're all part of the MasterCard universe), and at least in the US, more people identify with Cirrus than Maestro (even though as I said, I believe if a system accespts MasterCard, it will also accept both Maestro and Cirrus cards). Any thoughts of putting a few ATMs on the island? (even for locals? Perhaps on other parts of the island for convenience?) I realize it's not like you need 20 of them, but maybe one in Jamestown, and one in Longwood, or something like that? Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050322/cfa706d3/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Tue Mar 22 21:11:46 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Tue Mar 22 21:12:10 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Pros and cons of the airport References: <20050321101735.74291.qmail@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006c01c52f1b$604b3090$6400a8c0@main> Just a passing thought to add on what Hikaru wrote... There are plenty of countries that will put the environment (both natural, and living) care low on their list of priorities. But there are also countries (including many in Africa and South America) that make the environment a top priority. Many African countries rely on "eco-tourism" for dollars, and they know if the animals and their habitat aren't protected, the reason for toursits coming to visit will disappear (think about it... why does the average traveller come to Africa? It's not to walk around the moutains of Lesotho, it's to see big game in a natural setting). This goes back to what I said earlier in my post.. that while the airport may create some difficulties, if the will is there, and steps are taken, you can still preserve a lot of the way of life on the island -- not only for those living there, but coming full circle, for the economy as well. St. Helena can be grouped into an "eco-tourism" catagory as being a unique place. The airport won't necessarily change it. It's still the only place to see a wirebird, certain plants, Napoleon's place, and an isolated way of life. As long as restrictions are put on the airport and flights so that the airport serves the people, instead of the people serving the airport, it might work out ok. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hikaru Kitabayashi" To: ; Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:17 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Pros and cons of the airport >I have been a passive member of this list for perhaps > six or seven years, having become a member for the > whimsical reason that I have a soft spot for the name, > Helen, and its different variations. I have learned a > lot and am well pleased with my membership. However, I > now think I should voice support for Mr. Turner's > latest email to this list. > > Wherever mankind has settled, human beings have always > become a critical part of the ecology and, when people > abandon an area they have previously settled, it > almost never can return to what it was before human > settlement took place. Usually the resulting > environmental balance remains in a more or less > degraded state. The important thing is not stopping, > reversing, or blocking environmental and social > change, but to manage it as only enlightened, > well-educated, human beings are capable of doing. > > My position is that after several hundred years of > human settlement, the only feasible way to protect the > St. Helena ecological system is by human intervention > and human investment. This, it seems to me, can only > be possible over the long run if the St. Helena > economy is producing a healthy economic surplus and, > barring a solution to St. Helena's isolation from the > world economy, any hope of this occuring naturally > seems misguided. > > I think that an airport is an extremely important > first step in reversing an economic decline which, in > any major economy, would have already caused a > worldwide economic depression of devastating > proportions. I personally would like to be on the > first plane of visitors to touch down at the airport > when it is finished. > > Hikaru Kitabayashi > > > Hikaru Kitabayashi, Chair > Department of English > Faculty of Foreign Languages > Daito Bunka University > 1-9-1 Takashimadaira > Itabashi-ku, Tokyo-to 175-8571 > JAPAN > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Wed Mar 23 09:44:31 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Wed Mar 23 09:43:40 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] RE: Bank of St. Helena In-Reply-To: <005e01c52f1a$50a08740$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <000b01c52f84$8b00ef50$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Thanks Larry for some interesting questions. Here we go with answers: * The bank is not (currently) a merchant acquirer - sorry for the technical term - so each outlet makes its own arrangement with a bank outside St. Helena for credit card acceptance. The amount the outlets charge is, I assume, dependent on the costs that apply to their particular arrangement. Any attempt to standardise these by law would be contrary to the spirit of competition, so is unlikely. If the bank is ever able to become a merchant acquirer (i.e. the local representative of the major international card schemes) it would help, but I think that is some way in the future. * I'll check with our card scheme about Cirrus. * ATMs are a long running debate, but there is no chance of progress at least until we have an airport. An ATM machine needs regular expert servicing. There is nobody on St. Helena qualified to do this work, and we can't bring someone here or justify the cost of training someone for only a few hours work (we could currently only justify having one machine). When the airport opens we will (hopefully) have enough demand to support multiple ATMs and will be able to justify the costs of flying someone in to service them or training a local person. Until then cash is available from our very friendly and helpful staff during normal banking hours. All the best, John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Greenfield [mailto:lgreenf@ktb.net] Sent: 22 March 2005 20:04 To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Bank of St. Helena To change the subject from the airport just a bit, since we have a banker here on the ML, I thought I'd ask: has the credit card service charge been standarized on the island yet? I see on the bank's page that cash advances are 5%.. but I'm wondering about purchases. When I visited in 2001, the surcharge for using a credit card ranged from nothing (the Jamestown Spar, yay!) to .. I think it was 5% or 8%? I forget because I didn't use the card much, but remember some of the hotels had a higher rate. At C&W, I remember being told it was 5%, but then the lady only charged me 2.5%. At the time (and again, cards were still relatively new, so I know people were getting used to them), there was a wide range of surcharges for the card.. and I like that the Jamestown Spar (don't know about the HTH one) didn't tack on a service charge for charging purchases (not cash advances, but purchases). I'm wondering if it's now been standardized on the island or not, and where the card transactions go through. I ask this, because when I returned home and saw my Visa bill, for the Jamestown Spar purchases, it was listed as coming from the "South Georgia Museum, Falkland Islands, FK" By the way, on the bank's page about advacnes, you show the MasterCard & Maestro logo.. it might be helpful to show the Cirrus logo too, as I believe they are interchangable (they're all part of the MasterCard universe), and at least in the US, more people identify with Cirrus than Maestro (even though as I said, I believe if a system accespts MasterCard, it will also accept both Maestro and Cirrus cards). Any thoughts of putting a few ATMs on the island? (even for locals? Perhaps on other parts of the island for convenience?) I realize it's not like you need 20 of them, but maybe one in Jamestown, and one in Longwood, or something like that? Larry __________ NOD32 1.1032 (20050323) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050323/72b411c2/attachment.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Wed Mar 23 12:51:22 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Wed Mar 23 12:51:27 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Cedit card costs Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A5C@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Regarding Larry's and John's previous messages - this may be a small help to some on the List. Nationwide - in the UK - does not charge an additional commission for overseas purchases made using thier credit card . I have not looked thoroughly into this deeply fascinating aspect of the exciting credit card conditions universe - but I have not come across another credit card using it as a selling point. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050323/e7e53acf/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Wed Mar 23 17:05:29 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Wed Mar 23 17:04:42 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] RE: Cirrus Cards Message-ID: <001301c52fc2$250fa3b0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Our card scheme people tell me that cards bearing the cirrus logo can be used through an ATM also bearing the cirrus logo, but this does not allow them to be used for purchases or cash-advances, which are on a separate system to the ATM's. Our terminal is configured for cash-advances, so we will not be able to accept a Cirrus card unless it is also capable of acting as a MasterCard / Maestro debit card in a credit card cash-advance terminal. Have a look at www.mastercard.com/uk/findacard/debit-cirrus.html which may help. I'm sorry if this is not as clear as it might be - please blame international card scheme complexity, not me! John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: John Turner, Bank of St. Helena [mailto:john.turner@sainthelenabank.com] Sent: 23 March 2005 08:45 To: 'Larry Greenfield'; 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: Bank of St. Helena Thanks Larry for some interesting questions. Here we go with answers: * The bank is not (currently) a merchant acquirer - sorry for the technical term - so each outlet makes its own arrangement with a bank outside St. Helena for credit card acceptance. The amount the outlets charge is, I assume, dependent on the costs that apply to their particular arrangement. Any attempt to standardise these by law would be contrary to the spirit of competition, so is unlikely. If the bank is ever able to become a merchant acquirer (i.e. the local representative of the major international card schemes) it would help, but I think that is some way in the future. * I'll check with our card scheme about Cirrus. * ATMs are a long running debate, but there is no chance of progress at least until we have an airport. An ATM machine needs regular expert servicing. There is nobody on St. Helena qualified to do this work, and we can't bring someone here or justify the cost of training someone for only a few hours work (we could currently only justify having one machine). When the airport opens we will (hopefully) have enough demand to support multiple ATMs and will be able to justify the costs of flying someone in to service them or training a local person. Until then cash is available from our very friendly and helpful staff during normal banking hours. All the best, John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Greenfield [mailto:lgreenf@ktb.net] Sent: 22 March 2005 20:04 To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Bank of St. Helena To change the subject from the airport just a bit, since we have a banker here on the ML, I thought I'd ask: has the credit card service charge been standarized on the island yet? I see on the bank's page that cash advances are 5%.. but I'm wondering about purchases. When I visited in 2001, the surcharge for using a credit card ranged from nothing (the Jamestown Spar, yay!) to .. I think it was 5% or 8%? I forget because I didn't use the card much, but remember some of the hotels had a higher rate. At C&W, I remember being told it was 5%, but then the lady only charged me 2.5%. At the time (and again, cards were still relatively new, so I know people were getting used to them), there was a wide range of surcharges for the card.. and I like that the Jamestown Spar (don't know about the HTH one) didn't tack on a service charge for charging purchases (not cash advances, but purchases). I'm wondering if it's now been standardized on the island or not, and where the card transactions go through. I ask this, because when I returned home and saw my Visa bill, for the Jamestown Spar purchases, it was listed as coming from the "South Georgia Museum, Falkland Islands, FK" By the way, on the bank's page about advacnes, you show the MasterCard & Maestro logo.. it might be helpful to show the Cirrus logo too, as I believe they are interchangable (they're all part of the MasterCard universe), and at least in the US, more people identify with Cirrus than Maestro (even though as I said, I believe if a system accespts MasterCard, it will also accept both Maestro and Cirrus cards). Any thoughts of putting a few ATMs on the island? (even for locals? Perhaps on other parts of the island for convenience?) I realize it's not like you need 20 of them, but maybe one in Jamestown, and one in Longwood, or something like that? 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I had many of the same questions that you did. I also need to know what is the best time of the year and what the cost is from either England or the Canary Islands . I am hoping to go in 2006. (Before they tear down Longwood to put up a golf club and/or a Hilton Hotel and conference center which I am sure will come eventually with the new airport) I would enjoy hearing from you with any information that you might have found out. Sincerely, Helen Bray 2102 S. Westnedge Ave. Kalamazoo, Mi. 49008 U.S.A. From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Mar 24 08:46:37 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 24 08:46:49 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena Message-ID: <1a4.3468978e.2f73ca5d@aol.com> Hi Helen: It would appear that St., Helena is becoming less and less what it was 184 years ago. Life on the island is very much in flux and it is difficult to even survive there for any length of time. As best I can understand it, nothing as far as the life of people who live there has improved, since the time of the little corporal. I also understand that there is talk about the creation of an airport. But that is something that might be, or might not be, there in the future. It has been said that it is more difficult to go there than it was back in the days of Napoleon's exile. At the time of Napoleon there was a considerable amount of commerce going on there, but after Napoleon the island pretty much became something of a handicap to Great Britain, and the island suffered as a consequence. The island is very small. When you get past the history of Napoleon's exile you end up with an island that is less in size than Catalina Island, just off Los Angeles, California. As beautiful as some of its vistas are, there just may not be enough to sell it as a tourist's destination. As I understand it, the only thing about Longwood that is original are the stone steps that lead into the front door. They have tried their best to rebuild the Longwood house to what it was when Napoleon lived there during his exile. But, it is a like the old saying of Paul Bunyons' axe, "Here is Paul Bunyons axe; it has only had two new handles and one new heard." I guess it is as close as they can make it to the original stucture, and they even carved out viewing holes in the window blinds have been recreated. Napoleon cut holes in the blinds so that he could watch the English outside Longwood, while he was not able to be seen. It got very childish at times between 1816 and 1821. There was a termite invasion that destroyed almost every structure on the island; Longwood included. After the death of Napoleon, Longwood did not enjoy any reverence, regardless. It became a livestock barn, and no attempt was made to keep it in any way, any kind of a possible human inhabited building. It was pretty much a done deal even before the termites ate it. St. Helena has some things that are to be found nowhere else in the world. It is just that St Helena is very small, and there are very few luxuries to be found there, that would be acceptable to the average tourist. A little like going to Nepal. Those of us who would be willing to accept the hardships, whatever they might be, will be rewarded with a place that is very much untouched for the last 184 years. To be honest with you, what more could you want. Just remember that Longwood is a complete reproduction, other than the front steps. You can stand on those steps and thing that Napoleon Bonapart placed his feet on those very steps. I guess, that is about the best you can do. Still, I would love to go there. There was a PBS program about 20 years ago that consisted of an English actor who acted out all the parts of the people in question. I am talking about Napoleon; Sir Hudson Lowe; and others. It was filmed at St. Helena and included Jamestown, Longwood, and many other features of the island. I loved it. I have wanted to got here ever since. The program showed an island that was absolutely beautiful and was different from any other place in the world. Totally unique. Perhaps when you go there, you might run into my wife and I. My name is Chuk, my wife's name is Patty. I hope you make it there. I hope I make it there. Happy sailing, or flying, if the airport ever gets built... Chuk and Patty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050324/007bb6a8/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Thu Mar 24 09:48:28 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Mar 24 09:47:39 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] RE: travel to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <8862-42421AE4-1465@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <002601c5304e$43f243a0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> For all potential visitors: The official St. Helena tourist board website is the best place to start for travel and accommodation information. They are at http://www.sthelenatourism.com/ You may find it difficult to enter the site because there was recently a broken link on the title page. I found that clicking on the sun image worked. I have reported the error, so it may have been fixed by the time you read this (but this is St. Helena so don't be surprised if it hasn't). There are also lots of useful links on our website - www.sainthelenabank.com - in the "our region" part of the menu. Also, the St. Helena Government website - www.sainthelena.gov.sh/ - has general information about St. Helena. Finally, to learn about life on St. Helena you could try www.news.co.sh or www.saint.fm which are the island's two media organisations. Do come - this really is a fascinating place! John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: Helen Bray [mailto:helenbray@webtv.net] Sent: 24 March 2005 01:42 To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com Subject: travel to St. Helena Dear Mr. Turner, I have for some time wanted to take a trip to St, Helena but am finding it difficult to get travel information. I thought I might get some by subscribing to the list but most of the correspondence is just about the airport. I tried to get some information from the British Tourist office but they were very uninformed. I know that transportation can be from England or the Canary Islands and that the journey is about 10 days. Can you give me some idea of the cost of travel and frequency of runs? I would like to plan a trip in 2006 (Before they tear down Longwood for a golf club and build a Hilton Hotel and conference center which will certainly come eventually with the airport). I would appreciate any information either by mail or e mail. Thank you, Helen Bray 2102 S. Westnedge Ave. Kalmazoo, Mi. 49008, U.S.A. __________ NOD32 1.1033 (20050323) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Herbote at aol.com Thu Mar 24 09:57:26 2005 From: Herbote at aol.com (Herbote@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 24 09:57:40 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena Message-ID: Dear Ms Gaskell and Ms Bray, Please feel free to visit the file on St. Helena at _www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com) where you might find some interesting contacts for your plans. Further, my personal comment - I do hope there NEVER EVER will be a hotel like Hilton or Marriott or similar in St Helena. It is an American sickness when traveling always staying in this American "islands" or "satellites" instead of choose a typical local accommodation and to learn about other countries, cultures, food and mentalities etc. but always return to these "islands" and just watch CNN or similar. That is not good for the human understanding. Therefore I do hope, such hotels will never exist in St. Helena - and I am quite sure the management of this chains are not interested in St. Helena at all. Kind regards Burkhard Herbote In einer eMail vom 24.03.2005 02:22:02 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit schreibt helenbray@webtv.net: Dear Ms. Gaskell, I read your e mail with interest. I, too, am a middle aged person who has wanted for a long time to visit St, Helena. I have not been able to get much information. I even inquired at the British Tourist office the last time I was in London. They put me in touch with the shipping company who sent me somethng on my e mail but was not what I wanted to know. I had many of the same questions that you did. I also need to know what is the best time of the year and what the cost is from either England or the Canary Islands . I am hoping to go in 2006. (Before they tear down Longwood to put up a golf club and/or a Hilton Hotel and conference center which I am sure will come eventually with the new airport) I would enjoy hearing from you with any information that you might have found out. Sincerely, Helen Bray 2102 S. Westnedge Ave. Kalamazoo, Mi. 49008 U.S.A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050324/e4926959/attachment.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Tue Mar 22 15:08:00 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Thu Mar 24 10:18:26 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: Use Wide-awake airfield instead? Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A57@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Thompson Vince > Sent: 21 March 2005 12:44 > To: 'list@sthelena.se' > Subject: FW: Use Wide-awake airfield instead? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thompson Vince > Sent: 21 March 2005 12:34 > To: 'list@sthelena.se' > Subject: Use Wide-awake airfield instead? > > > > Sorry, I cannot resist making another contribution after sifting through the contributions on my computer this morning. > > Flying to Ascension and then taking the ship from there is a standard route to St Helena at present. > The itinerary is as follows:- > > 1 Depart Brize Norton about 11.45 pm [say Thursday] > 2. Arrive Ascension about 07.30 am Friday morning > 3. One night stay at the Obsidian Hotel [minimum stop over] > Connecting with a ship departing the same day you arrive is not guaranteed and discouraged. > I had to take a 5 night stop over [the maximum] on my last visit. No complaints, I enjoyed it. > 4. Depart Ascension Saturday 2.30 pm. > 5. Arrive St Helena Monday 4.00 pm > > This means 5 days travelling [minimum] to get where you want to be. Don't forget the cost of the visitors permit, wharfage charge and accommodation on Ascension, which for most people will be an unwanted cost. A one night Ascension stop over will cost about ?150 going out and again on the return. > > So, five days travel each way and a few hundred pounds on the holiday budget for something not desired. This does not attract the uncommitted as they idly skim through a stack of holiday brochures. > > On the other hand, a two-centre holiday with connecting flights throughout is an option I'm sure the likes of Shelco are contemplating. This would help Ascension's economy as well as St Helena's. Ascension is already making a modest name for itself as a paradise for ocean fishing sport. > > Lastly, someone made reference to St Helenians being tied in to the 'servant' straightjacket when it comes to job prospects. Sorry if this is not an accurate representation. > Not long ago the only way to get off the island was to 'go into service'. Today, it is still an option some people take. > But more importantly, the very fact that St Helena relies on UK subsidies means there is, unavoidably, a dependency culture among some parts of the population. Dependency is, I think, worse than limited job prospects. I foresee many St Helenians seeing opportunities to be self employed once the airport starts channelling tourists in their direction. There also needs to be assurances that additional resources will be devoted to training St Helenians so they have an even chance when applying for the best jobs in the service industry. I think this last point is accepted by those who hold the purse strings - but it needs official commitment and quantification at some point. > > Regards > > Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050322/cd311069/attachment-0001.htm From foxtrot at aaanet.ru Thu Mar 24 10:39:38 2005 From: foxtrot at aaanet.ru (Roman Pavlenko) Date: Thu Mar 24 10:39:40 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena In-Reply-To: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A57@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> References: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A57@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Message-ID: <356844140.20050324123938@aaanet.ru> Hello, Anybody can give me some pics of the island? I've been making a site about it and need more pictures (amateur pictures maybe). Thanks Best regards, Roman Pavlenko Rostov-on-Don Russia mailto:foxtrot@aaanet.ru From grillfest at hot.ee Thu Mar 24 11:08:35 2005 From: grillfest at hot.ee (Tiit Treve) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:08:31 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena In-Reply-To: <356844140.20050324123938@aaanet.ru> Message-ID: <002401c53059$71c9a470$640ba8c0@kylamaja> Privet. U menja gdeto 150 images, no kak ih peresolatj? Regards, Tiit Treve P.S Ja bol v Rostove Na Donu 1989 godu, horosije vspominanija -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Roman Pavlenko Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:40 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena Hello, Anybody can give me some pics of the island? I've been making a site about it and need more pictures (amateur pictures maybe). Thanks Best regards, Roman Pavlenko Rostov-on-Don Russia mailto:foxtrot@aaanet.ru The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Thu Mar 24 11:52:53 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Thu Mar 24 11:53:06 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Life in St Helena today Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A60@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Two recent messages on the list have prompted me to give, hopefully unbiased, and factual responses. My first visit to St Helena was in 1974. My impression then was that I had entered a 1950's time wharp - compared to the UK at the time. By 1991 there were many changes, both in the number and quality of houses and the standard of living. The time wharp was probably still there, but less pronounced. Today, there are car parking problems in Jamestown and debates over which areas of the island should be allocated for more housing. The usual 'urban' areas are becoming full. The majority of islanders have most or all of the usual trappings of modern life in terms of electonic gadgets, power tools and domestic applicances. Longwood House is home to the most Napoleon artifacts of any Napoleonic musuem in the world. It is well cared for by the French Consulate Michel Martineau who has recently increased the number of rooms with public access. The island is about 4 miles by 7 and has several different topographical areas ranging from dense vegetation on high ridges and guts to spectacular and colourful volcanic features and also dry and fairly flat plains. Despite its size, you would need a couple of months to get to know the island in detail. That is if you like walking and want to walk somewhere different and absorbing most days during your visit. The climates also varies significantly according to the time of year and the location on the island. There are several different types of accommodation from self-catering to guest house to country lodge. None of which entail any hardship - unless you accept nothing better than a Hilton or a Marriot. If this is the case, it is probably best not to go. As for the best time of year to go, the winter can be wet and foggy, especially when you want to take a taxi up on the ridges to admire the views. September or October would probably be best. Any earlier could be too wintery, any later and there will be problems with plane & ship bookings due to the Christmas rush. Personally, I prefer staying in the country rather than the town. The town is in a valley and is often afflicted by still, dry air. In the country, the air is fresher and cooler during the day. A flight from Brize Norton RAF Base to Ascension followed by the RMS St Helena to the island will cost about ?2,000 one way. The precise amount depends on the type of cabin you prefer and the length of the stop over on Ascension. Alternatively a flight to RSA / Namibia and the ship from there may prove cheaper overall if the departure point is the USA. Check Andrew Weir's website for precise fares. I understand travel agents in the USA offer an 'itinerary' to their clients. This itinerary can dictate a person's movements for every hour of each day while travelling. I have seen some people from the USA travelling in the UK and following these lists slavishly. This detail you will not get. Sorting out the best route to St Helena according to fares and schedules needs persistence. Having done that, much advice is available regarding where to go and what you do, but the timetable you choose is your own. 'Relax and go with the flow' has to be the attitude to ensure your visit is thoroughly enjoyed. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050324/377014e4/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Thu Mar 24 18:52:18 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Thu Mar 24 18:52:42 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Life in St Helena today References: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A60@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Message-ID: <002501c5309a$39056980$6400a8c0@main> Life in St Helena today >>I understand travel agents in the USA offer an 'itinerary' to their clients. This itinerary can dictate a person's movements for every >>hour of each day while travelling. I have seen some people from the USA travelling in the UK and following these lists slavishly I can tell you this is no more an American thing than a Japanese or European thing. It depends on the traveller. If you're talking about middle-aged or older folks it's not surprising. I don't think there's one person under 30 from the US that travels this way (or if forced to take a tour, doesn't just leave it any chance he/she gets). Speaking of the USA, I remember chatting to (ex-Gov) Hollamby about this. There is no knowledge of St. Helena in the US (except for those who are Napoleon buffs, or rare exceptions). Of course St. Helena is part of the UK not the US, and it's half a world away. Most Americans have never been to Guam (or could even point it out to someone on a world map) but they've at least heard of it (as it's a US protectorate). Ask anyone here in the US and no one has heard of St. Helena. As I said this isn't all that unusual (I wonder how many average people in the UK know of Guam?) but my point was that the island has been trying to promote tourism, and there's a huge untapped pool of people in the US that would be interested in St. Helena if they knew about it (again putting aside the debate on whether tourism is a good or bad thing for a place). But I remember the Gov saying they would occasionally take out small ads in the London papers and other travel publications to advertise... even just a small ad once a year in the NY or LA Times -- or sending "travel pieces" to US papers to be published (for instance, when the island had its 500th anniversary. There was nothing in the papers here) just to let people know there is a place called St. Helena. But to date, any budget for promotion seems to have focused on Europe. I was the only American on the RMS or on the island at the time I was there. I'm sure, given the fact that there are 280 million Americans, that there have been others of course. But it's not a bad suggestion, if you're going to promote tourism anyway, to promote it outside of the UK. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050324/0a7a8178/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Mar 24 19:57:35 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 24 19:57:51 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena Message-ID: <9e.230bfc91.2f74679f@aol.com> I want to comment on the "American Sickness." My wife and I managed campgrounds in the High Sierra for six years. What bothered us the most was the motorhome crowd. They spent most of their time inside their motorhomes and they also had very little respect for others who were there to enjoy the wilderness and nature. It was common for me to have to inform people that the generator that was running so that they could watch a taped television show, was infringing on the other's in camp. I appeared as though those watching TV, could not understand why others in the camp were not doing the same. Some of the motorhomer's had men and boys who would go out during the day to fish. We had a real hard time with them to prevent them from cleaning their fish in the streams in the campground. But, the women always had a tendency to stay inside their motorhomes all day and read or watch TV. With all the untouched wilderness that we have in the USA, it is amazing to me that so few people really appreciate it. They cannot turn loose of home things long enough to plug into what the eastern Sierra has to offer. Sad, and as was said above, sick. Why come to the wilderness? I guess for many it was simply because their husbands dragged them there. Chuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050324/9ad72331/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 20:45:25 2005 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Mar 24 20:45:34 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324194525.98498.qmail@web54510.mail.yahoo.com> That is a very sad commentary on the sedentary lifestyle we as Americans have adopted. Why go out into the wilderness if you aren't going to fully experience and enjoy it? As a child my family lived in very rural areas in several different states and I remember my sisters and I would travel miles from home on horseback and on foot exploring everything there was to see. I look back on those experiences and wish I could do it all over again. If I ever get the chance to visit St. Helena I will make it a point to explore the island in the same manner I explored as a child. I don't want to miss a thing! Nissa --- Hdchucker@aol.com wrote: > I want to comment on the "American Sickness." My > wife and I managed > campgrounds in the High Sierra for six years. What > bothered us the most was the > motorhome crowd. They spent most of their time > inside their motorhomes and they > also had very little respect for others who were > there to enjoy the > wilderness and nature. It was common for me to > have to inform people that the > generator that was running so that they could watch > a taped television show, was > infringing on the other's in camp. I appeared as > though those watching TV, > could not understand why others in the camp were > not doing the same. > > Some of the motorhomer's had men and boys who would > go out during the day to > fish. We had a real hard time with them to prevent > them from cleaning their > fish in the streams in the campground. But, the > women always had a tendency > to stay inside their motorhomes all day and read or > watch TV. > > With all the untouched wilderness that we have in > the USA, it is amazing to > me that so few people really appreciate it. They > cannot turn loose of home > things long enough to plug into what the eastern > Sierra has to offer. Sad, > and as was said above, sick. > > Why come to the wilderness? I guess for many it > was simply because their > husbands dragged them there. > > Chuk > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Mar 24 21:20:09 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 24 21:20:31 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena Message-ID: <86.24a85197.2f747af9@aol.com> The only times that my wife and I would be inside our trailer would be when we slept, took a shower, or used the toilet facilities. Oh yes, when it rained and we could not think of anywhere to drive to in the truck. It was at Buckeye Campground that I first heard of 9/11, as it was happening. Every morning I had coffee sitting outside at the table while listening to the radio newscasts. On September 11, 2001, I could not believe my ears. Even though my wife always wanted a campfire, I seldom wanted one as it took away my night vision. We did all of our cooking outside if it wasn't raining. If it was raining, we would often go to Twin Lakes to eat at the restaurant that was there. Good food and not expensive. Large portions. Thankfully, I rather doubt if you will ever have very many ugly Americans going to St. Helena. They travel more for the accommodations that a place offers, and the shopping opportunities, than any scenic beauty and historical significance a place may have. Many go to a place, and never leave the hotel. Yeah, I went to Tahiti...The water in the hotel's swimming pool was great. Chuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050324/2969d6e8/attachment.htm From john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se Thu Mar 24 22:11:28 2005 From: john.ekwall at mailbox.swipnet.se (john.ekwall@mailbox.swipnet.se) Date: Thu Mar 24 22:11:42 2005 Subject: Sv: RE: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena Message-ID: Hi Tiit, Pardon my curiosity - when did you visit St Helena? John Ekwall, Sweden > > Fr?n: "Tiit Treve" > Datum: 2005/03/24 Thu AM 11:08:35 CET > Till: "'Roman Pavlenko'" , > "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > ?mne: RE: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena > > Privet. > U menja gdeto 150 images, no kak ih peresolatj? > > Regards, > Tiit Treve > P.S > Ja bol v Rostove Na Donu 1989 godu, horosije vspominanija > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of > Roman Pavlenko > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:40 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena > > > Hello, > > Anybody can give me some pics of the island? I've been making a site about > it and need more pictures (amateur pictures maybe). > > Thanks > > Best regards, > Roman Pavlenko > Rostov-on-Don > Russia > > mailto:foxtrot@aaanet.ru > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fr?n Tele2 http://www.tele2.se ------------------------------------------------- From grillfest at hot.ee Thu Mar 24 22:43:44 2005 From: grillfest at hot.ee (Tiit Treve) Date: Thu Mar 24 22:43:13 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008101c530ba$8e5ac1d0$640ba8c0@kylamaja> Hi John! Nice to hear from yuo and agen- thank`s for help. You know, I send out several askings to several instants with questions a) what will be the best trip/price to get there b) what formulas( and where) I need to fill to ask long term stayng there. till today I have not answers, but I desided to wait 1- 2 weeks more and then to start with new circle. Aniway, I am ready to star immediately. With thwe best, Tiit. P.S. Last summer me and my wife spend some wanderful days in Sweden ( we had trip thru the Sweden to Denmark), included visiting Norrk?ping and Aby there are living my relatives. ----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of john.ekwall@mailbox.swipnet.se Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:11 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic"Eng" Subject: Sv: RE: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena Hi Tiit, Pardon my curiosity - when did you visit St Helena? John Ekwall, Sweden > > Fr?n: "Tiit Treve" > Datum: 2005/03/24 Thu AM 11:08:35 CET > Till: "'Roman Pavlenko'" , > "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" > > ?mne: RE: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena > > Privet. > U menja gdeto 150 images, no kak ih peresolatj? > > Regards, > Tiit Treve > P.S > Ja bol v Rostove Na Donu 1989 godu, horosije vspominanija > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of > Roman Pavlenko > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:40 AM > To: list@sthelena.se > Subject: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena > > > Hello, > > Anybody can give me some pics of the island? I've been making a site about > it and need more pictures (amateur pictures maybe). > > Thanks > > Best regards, > Roman Pavlenko > Rostov-on-Don > Russia > > mailto:foxtrot@aaanet.ru > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fr?n Tele2 http://www.tele2.se ------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From jerry at cccolo.com Fri Mar 25 01:15:15 2005 From: jerry at cccolo.com (jerry@cccolo.com) Date: Fri Mar 25 01:15:28 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Life in St Helena today In-Reply-To: <002501c5309a$39056980$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: DEAR FOLKS OF ST HELENA, BEING AN AMERICAN, LIVING IN COLORADO, AND BEING INTERESTED IN GEOGRAPHY AND PEOPLE, I AM ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THE WORLD WIDE REPORT OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES EVERY YEAR. ST HELENA HAS THE GREATES NUMBER OF OUR PEOPLE PER POPULATION OUT OF 235 COUNTRIES. AS ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES I WOULD LOVE TO VISIT YOUR ISLAND SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE. ONE OF EVERY 28 PEOPLE ON YOUR ISLAND IS A WITNESS. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING YOUR ISLAND IN OUR REPORTS FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS AND AM WONDERING IF THE SCOPIO FAMILY STILL LIVE ON ST HELENA. I WOULD LOVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM OR THEIR SONS JERRY P WILSON -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:52 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Life in St Helena today >>I understand travel agents in the USA offer an 'itinerary' to their clients. This itinerary can dictate a person's movements for every >>hour of each day while travelling. I have seen some people from the USA travelling in the UK and following these lists slavishly I can tell you this is no more an American thing than a Japanese or European thing. It depends on the traveller. If you're talking about middle-aged or older folks it's not surprising. I don't think there's one person under 30 from the US that travels this way (or if forced to take a tour, doesn't just leave it any chance he/she gets). Speaking of the USA, I remember chatting to (ex-Gov) Hollamby about this. There is no knowledge of St. Helena in the US (except for those who are Napoleon buffs, or rare exceptions). Of course St. Helena is part of the UK not the US, and it's half a world away. Most Americans have never been to Guam (or could even point it out to someone on a world map) but they've at least heard of it (as it's a US protectorate). Ask anyone here in the US and no one has heard of St. Helena. As I said this isn't all that unusual (I wonder how many average people in the UK know of Guam?) but my point was that the island has been trying to promote tourism, and there's a huge untapped pool of people in the US that would be interested in St. Helena if they knew about it (again putting aside the debate on whether tourism is a good or bad thing for a place). But I remember the Gov saying they would occasionally take out small ads in the London papers and other travel publications to advertise... even just a small ad once a year in the NY or LA Times -- or sending "travel pieces" to US papers to be published (for instance, when the island had its 500th anniversary. There was nothing in the papers here) just to let people know there is a place called St. Helena. But to date, any budget for promotion seems to have focused on Europe. I was the only American on the RMS or on the island at the time I was there. I'm sure, given the fact that there are 280 million Americans, that there have been others of course. But it's not a bad suggestion, if you're going to promote tourism anyway, to promote it outside of the UK. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050324/cb12b6b6/attachment-0001.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Fri Mar 25 19:38:59 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Fri Mar 25 19:39:26 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc References: <001301c52fc2$250fa3b0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <002b01c53169$e9422340$6400a8c0@main> MessageFew quick things: John, Thanks for the info on the banking situation.. now I understand. (As for Cirrus, yes, you're right.. same network, but Cirrus is for ATMs, so perhaps in the future if ATMs come to the island...) And BTW, for what it's worth, you're right about the "friendly service". I can't think of any other bank where the customers in front of me were greeted by name, and the teller was nothing but pleasant and helpful (offering to research in depth simply a passing question I had). Vince: the US doesn't charge a surcharge on credit card purchases either (in fact, it's against the law. You can have a "cash discount", but not a surcharge for credit, so there is that loophole. But for instance, if a store advertises a product for $19.95, they can't charge more if you use a credit card. Usually the only time you see a cash discount is maybe a mom-and-pop shop or something worked out informally. No big store offers a "cash discount" but it is a legal way in the US to get around the "no surcharge for credit cards" law). RE: comments on the way Americans travel. You know, I could say the same general, sweeping statements about Brits (or any countries). While in Thailand during songkran (when people splash water on each other), I remember once the only people who seemed to have a hissy fit and be unable to accept someone gleefully putting a bit of water on you in 40C temperatures always seemed to be British ("Nigel, make it stop! Get me out of here!") Was quite funny to see. Do I then extrapolate that all (or most) British travellers are this way? No. Because I've met plenty backpacking in Africa when I was. Oh wait, I'm American. What was *I* doing backpacking in Africa? Did my motorhome break down? If you run a campground, you're GOING to come in contact with people of a certain mindset. If you go backpacking somewhere, you'll see people of THAT (different) mindset as well. Of all the cultures one might rag on for this, I would pick Japan. Have any of you here been on a Japanese tour? (I have). It can be summed up as: "drive by" the point of interest, but stop and spend all the time at the gift shop so you can buy omiyage. I've been on a Japanese tour in both the US and Japan and they were both this way. Common perception is that Japanese always travel in groups, and never leave the group. But gee, how does one explain seeing the Japanese backpackers I've met along the way in my travels (along with their Japanese independent traveller books)? I realize this is off-topic for the list, but seeing as how there were at least 3 or 4 posts on Americans and how they travel, it deserves being said. You can say "many Americans" but if you just say "Americans" (or "Brits" or "Japanese"), then you know what? Chances are you haven't really travelled in other modes or methods yourself, because if you have, you'd know that was totally false. RE: Ascension as airport base. I suppose this could have been an alternate solution, but it would only have been a half-solution at best (in medical emergencies for instance, you still have ship travel time). And Ascension has been changing from what it once was. Not to mention, I could be wrong, but I believe only RAF flights from the UK go there? Since it's basically just a military/communication island, would they ever LET tourist SAA or KLM flights go there? PS: I know it's not intentional, but for those who type in CAPITAL LETTERS FOR THEIR ENTIRE MESSAGE please try to use lowercase, as generally this signifies that you're shouting (again, I know it's not intentional, but please try to use lowercase). Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050325/f92574fe/attachment.htm From kurt at terrapintech.com Fri Mar 25 21:20:10 2005 From: kurt at terrapintech.com (Kurt Lysne) Date: Fri Mar 25 21:20:26 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc In-Reply-To: <002b01c53169$e9422340$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <1100340440-779325405@smtp.terrapin-net.com> Thank you Larry, As a Canadian-American, I too tire of simplistic assumptions of North Americans. Being in the banking business myself, I am enjoying the discussions on John's nuts & bolts problems. Kurt ___________________________________________________ Kurt Lysne Terrapin Technologies (763) 533-1621 kurt@terrapintech.com _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:39 PM To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com; 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc Few quick things: John, Thanks for the info on the banking situation.. now I understand. (As for Cirrus, yes, you're right.. same network, but Cirrus is for ATMs, so perhaps in the future if ATMs come to the island...) And BTW, for what it's worth, you're right about the "friendly service". I can't think of any other bank where the customers in front of me were greeted by name, and the teller was nothing but pleasant and helpful (offering to research in depth simply a passing question I had). Vince: the US doesn't charge a surcharge on credit card purchases either (in fact, it's against the law. You can have a "cash discount", but not a surcharge for credit, so there is that loophole. But for instance, if a store advertises a product for $19.95, they can't charge more if you use a credit card. Usually the only time you see a cash discount is maybe a mom-and-pop shop or something worked out informally. No big store offers a "cash discount" but it is a legal way in the US to get around the "no surcharge for credit cards" law). RE: comments on the way Americans travel. You know, I could say the same general, sweeping statements about Brits (or any countries). While in Thailand during songkran (when people splash water on each other), I remember once the only people who seemed to have a hissy fit and be unable to accept someone gleefully putting a bit of water on you in 40C temperatures always seemed to be British ("Nigel, make it stop! Get me out of here!") Was quite funny to see. Do I then extrapolate that all (or most) British travellers are this way? No. Because I've met plenty backpacking in Africa when I was. Oh wait, I'm American. What was *I* doing backpacking in Africa? Did my motorhome break down? If you run a campground, you're GOING to come in contact with people of a certain mindset. If you go backpacking somewhere, you'll see people of THAT (different) mindset as well. Of all the cultures one might rag on for this, I would pick Japan. Have any of you here been on a Japanese tour? (I have). It can be summed up as: "drive by" the point of interest, but stop and spend all the time at the gift shop so you can buy omiyage. I've been on a Japanese tour in both the US and Japan and they were both this way. Common perception is that Japanese always travel in groups, and never leave the group. But gee, how does one explain seeing the Japanese backpackers I've met along the way in my travels (along with their Japanese independent traveller books)? I realize this is off-topic for the list, but seeing as how there were at least 3 or 4 posts on Americans and how they travel, it deserves being said. You can say "many Americans" but if you just say "Americans" (or "Brits" or "Japanese"), then you know what? Chances are you haven't really travelled in other modes or methods yourself, because if you have, you'd know that was totally false. RE: Ascension as airport base. I suppose this could have been an alternate solution, but it would only have been a half-solution at best (in medical emergencies for instance, you still have ship travel time). And Ascension has been changing from what it once was. Not to mention, I could be wrong, but I believe only RAF flights from the UK go there? Since it's basically just a military/communication island, would they ever LET tourist SAA or KLM flights go there? PS: I know it's not intentional, but for those who type in CAPITAL LETTERS FOR THEIR ENTIRE MESSAGE please try to use lowercase, as generally this signifies that you're shouting (again, I know it's not intentional, but please try to use lowercase). Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050325/967561e9/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 21:40:47 2005 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Fri Mar 25 21:40:57 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc In-Reply-To: <1100340440-779325405@smtp.terrapin-net.com> Message-ID: <20050325204047.6858.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com> LARRY DID MAKE A POINT ABOUT NOT STEREOTYPING. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW RUGGED AMERICAN EXPLORERS IN THIS WORLD. AS FAR AS USING CAPS...............DOES IT REALLY MATTER? SOME PEOPLE HAVE A TOUGH TIME READING IN SMALL CASE DUE TO VISION PROBLEMS. NISSA --- Kurt Lysne wrote: > Thank you Larry, > > > > As a Canadian-American, I too tire of simplistic > assumptions of North > Americans. > > > > Being in the banking business myself, I am enjoying > the discussions on > John's nuts & bolts problems. > > > > Kurt > > > > ___________________________________________________ > > Kurt Lysne > > Terrapin Technologies > > (763) 533-1621 > > kurt@terrapintech.com > > > > _____ > > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf > Of Larry Greenfield > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:39 PM > To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com; 'All about St. > Helena - The Island in > the South Atlantic(Eng)' > Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc > > > > Few quick things: > > > > John, Thanks for the info on the banking situation.. > now I understand. (As > for Cirrus, yes, you're right.. same network, but > Cirrus is for ATMs, so > perhaps in the future if ATMs come to the island...) > And BTW, for what it's > worth, you're right about the "friendly service". I > can't think of any other > bank where the customers in front of me were greeted > by name, and the teller > was nothing but pleasant and helpful (offering to > research in depth simply a > passing question I had). > > > > Vince: the US doesn't charge a surcharge on credit > card purchases either (in > fact, it's against the law. You can have a "cash > discount", but not a > surcharge for credit, so there is that loophole. But > for instance, if a > store advertises a product for $19.95, they can't > charge more if you use a > credit card. Usually the only time you see a cash > discount is maybe a > mom-and-pop shop or something worked out informally. > No big store offers a > "cash discount" but it is a legal way in the US to > get around the "no > surcharge for credit cards" law). > > > > RE: comments on the way Americans travel. You know, > I could say the same > general, sweeping statements about Brits (or any > countries). While in > Thailand during songkran (when people splash water > on each other), I > remember once the only people who seemed to have a > hissy fit and be unable > to accept someone gleefully putting a bit of water > on you in 40C > temperatures always seemed to be British ("Nigel, > make it stop! Get me out > of here!") Was quite funny to see. Do I then > extrapolate that all (or most) > British travellers are this way? No. Because I've > met plenty backpacking in > Africa when I was. Oh wait, I'm American. What was > *I* doing backpacking in > Africa? Did my motorhome break down? If you run a > campground, you're GOING > to come in contact with people of a certain mindset. > If you go backpacking > somewhere, you'll see people of THAT (different) > mindset as well. Of all the > cultures one might rag on for this, I would pick > Japan. Have any of you here > been on a Japanese tour? (I have). It can be summed > up as: "drive by" the > point of interest, but stop and spend all the time > at the gift shop so you > can buy omiyage. I've been on a Japanese tour in > both the US and Japan and > they were both this way. Common perception is that > Japanese always travel in > groups, and never leave the group. But gee, how does > one explain seeing the > Japanese backpackers I've met along the way in my > travels (along with their > Japanese independent traveller books)? I realize > this is off-topic for the > list, but seeing as how there were at least 3 or 4 > posts on Americans and > how they travel, it deserves being said. You can say > "many Americans" but if > you just say "Americans" (or "Brits" or "Japanese"), > then you know what? > Chances are you haven't really travelled in other > modes or methods yourself, > because if you have, you'd know that was totally > false. > > > > RE: Ascension as airport base. I suppose this could > have been an alternate > solution, but it would only have been a > half-solution at best (in medical > emergencies for instance, you still have ship travel > time). And Ascension > has been changing from what it once was. Not to > mention, I could be wrong, > but I believe only RAF flights from the UK go there? > Since it's basically > just a military/communication island, would they > ever LET tourist SAA or KLM > flights go there? > > > > PS: I know it's not intentional, but for those who > type in CAPITAL LETTERS > FOR THEIR ENTIRE MESSAGE please try to use > lowercase, as generally this > signifies that you're shouting (again, I know it's > not intentional, but > please try to use lowercase). > > > > Larry > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Fri Mar 25 21:41:21 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Fri Mar 25 21:41:32 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc Message-ID: I think we're headed towards being overly sensitve. We all make simplistic assumptions about other people and cultures. In the same vein, I see no reason for telling anyone how to type. Based on the content of the capped emails we know the writer is not shouting. What's next? Correcting other people's grammar? I say we get back to St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Kurt Lysne Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:20 PM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] STH Misc Thank you Larry, As a Canadian-American, I too tire of simplistic assumptions of North Americans. Being in the banking business myself, I am enjoying the discussions on John's nuts & bolts problems. Kurt ___________________________________________________ Kurt Lysne Terrapin Technologies (763) 533-1621 kurt@terrapintech.com _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Larry Greenfield Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:39 PM To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com; 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc Few quick things: John, Thanks for the info on the banking situation.. now I understand. (As for Cirrus, yes, you're right.. same network, but Cirrus is for ATMs, so perhaps in the future if ATMs come to the island...) And BTW, for what it's worth, you're right about the "friendly service". I can't think of any other bank where the customers in front of me were greeted by name, and the teller was nothing but pleasant and helpful (offering to research in depth simply a passing question I had). Vince: the US doesn't charge a surcharge on credit card purchases either (in fact, it's against the law. You can have a "cash discount", but not a surcharge for credit, so there is that loophole. But for instance, if a store advertises a product for $19.95, they can't charge more if you use a credit card. Usually the only time you see a cash discount is maybe a mom-and-pop shop or something worked out informally. No big store offers a "cash discount" but it is a legal way in the US to get around the "no surcharge for credit cards" law). RE: comments on the way Americans travel. You know, I could say the same general, sweeping statements about Brits (or any countries). While in Thailand during songkran (when people splash water on each other), I remember once the only people who seemed to have a hissy fit and be unable to accept someone gleefully putting a bit of water on you in 40C temperatures always seemed to be British ("Nigel, make it stop! Get me out of here!") Was quite funny to see. Do I then extrapolate that all (or most) British travellers are this way? No. Because I've met plenty backpacking in Africa when I was. Oh wait, I'm American. What was *I* doing backpacking in Africa? Did my motorhome break down? If you run a campground, you're GOING to come in contact with people of a certain mindset. If you go backpacking somewhere, you'll see people of THAT (different) mindset as well. Of all the cultures one might rag on for this, I would pick Japan. Have any of you here been on a Japanese tour? (I have). It can be summed up as: "drive by" the point of interest, but stop and spend all the time at the gift shop so you can buy omiyage. I've been on a Japanese tour in both the US and Japan and they were both this way. Common perception is that Japanese always travel in groups, and never leave the group. But gee, how does one explain seeing the Japanese backpackers I've met along the way in my travels (along with their Japanese independent traveller books)? I realize this is off-topic for the list, but seeing as how there were at least 3 or 4 posts on Americans and how they travel, it deserves being said. You can say "many Americans" but if you just say "Americans" (or "Brits" or "Japanese"), then you know what? Chances are you haven't really travelled in other modes or methods yourself, because if you have, you'd know that was totally false. RE: Ascension as airport base. I suppose this could have been an alternate solution, but it would only have been a half-solution at best (in medical emergencies for instance, you still have ship travel time). And Ascension has been changing from what it once was. Not to mention, I could be wrong, but I believe only RAF flights from the UK go there? Since it's basically just a military/communication island, would they ever LET tourist SAA or KLM flights go there? PS: I know it's not intentional, but for those who type in CAPITAL LETTERS FOR THEIR ENTIRE MESSAGE please try to use lowercase, as generally this signifies that you're shouting (again, I know it's not intentional, but please try to use lowercase). Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050325/ed6d874b/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Fri Mar 25 23:14:41 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Fri Mar 25 23:14:58 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc References: Message-ID: <002701c53188$0bc6ac10$6400a8c0@main> MessageTessa, If it had just been a passing comment by one person I would have let it pass of course. But besides the fact that "how Americans travel" has nothing to do with St. Helena, when it became multiple posts by different people making grossly exaggerated generalities (and not even acknowledging that they were generalities), I felt I should say something. I could now start a thread here by saying I think Saints are the laziest people I've ever met. And what's funny is, that would be more germaine, because it's actually "on topic" to this ML. But if that one sentence soon became 3 or 4 long posts on how yes, Saints are indeed the laziest people, blah blah blah, I'm sure a Saint would chime in to respectfully disagree (and again, that would at least be a valid debate, as it's on topic to this ML). I waited until there were multiple posts about the "Americans vacationing" thing (with no one rebutting) before responding. As for the typing, I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear (I thought it was.. maybe it wasn't) -- that I wasn't trying to come down hard on him, but just casually letting him know in a friendly manner that typing in all caps is generally frowned upon in online settings (and has been for years). No different than, say, someone telling me it's proper to take off shoes before entering a Japanese house (if someone doesn't tell you, you'll never know). The worst thing you can have on an ML is a flame war over nothing, so I tried to make this point as gently as I could, and for the other, waited until there were multiple posts before responding. Here's something on-topic I wanted to ask (I was going to ask this a while back, but forgot). Ever since Eric George passed away, has there been anyone on the island who has kind of "taken his place?" For those who didn't know, he was kind of the unofficial "music guru" of the island, teaching the kids how to play, arranging scores for performances, etc. (and also wrote a few books on music on St. Helena -- one kind of a history, the other, a collection of actual songs and melodies). Not that anyone could ever quite replace him, but I'm wondering if someone has taken up his efforts, especially in teaching to the kids. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050325/99585ee3/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Fri Mar 25 23:27:29 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Fri Mar 25 23:27:50 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc References: <20050325204047.6858.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101c53189$d4fd7c70$6400a8c0@main> Hi Nissa, I'm just going to reply as private email instead reply-all to the list so the list doens't become cluttered with off-topic stuff. The thing is, it's standard on-line not to type in caps, as doing so is considered "shouting." I know it can be rough if you're eyes aren't as good.. but you'll find many people find it annoying. (In my comment, I was actually trying to pre-empt others who might email you more bluntly, because being on-line a lot, I see it all the time whenever someone types in caps). You might compare it to how if someone who didn't hear well themselves, went around yelling, rather than speaking at a normal volume, how the others around him would react. If it's really hard for you to see, I don't think people on the St. Helena list will come knocking at your door :) But I thought I should at least warn you that in general (especially when posting to lists that aren't "closed" or as close-knit) you can expect to get some angry emails about it. If it's hard to see fonts on your computer, there are other options (I'm not sure if you have a PC or Mac). But you can usually set "Font Size" on your computer... at least that may help make the characters bigger. If you have to type in caps, then you have to do it. But just as how others helped me out long ago when I first got online, I thought I should at least mention that it's frowned upon generally (which is why you rarely see others doing it). No hard feelings I hope, and again, *I* don't mind it as much as I know others out there will. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nissa Nystrom" To: ; "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] STH Misc > LARRY DID MAKE A POINT ABOUT NOT STEREOTYPING. THERE > ARE QUITE A FEW RUGGED AMERICAN EXPLORERS IN THIS > WORLD. AS FAR AS USING CAPS...............DOES IT > REALLY MATTER? SOME PEOPLE HAVE A TOUGH TIME READING > IN SMALL CASE DUE TO VISION PROBLEMS. > > NISSA > --- Kurt Lysne wrote: > >> Thank you Larry, >> >> >> >> As a Canadian-American, I too tire of simplistic >> assumptions of North >> Americans. >> >> >> >> Being in the banking business myself, I am enjoying >> the discussions on >> John's nuts & bolts problems. >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> >> Kurt Lysne >> >> Terrapin Technologies >> >> (763) 533-1621 >> >> kurt@terrapintech.com >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se >> [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf >> Of Larry Greenfield >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:39 PM >> To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com; 'All about St. >> Helena - The Island in >> the South Atlantic(Eng)' >> Subject: [STHELENA] STH Misc >> >> >> >> Few quick things: >> >> >> >> John, Thanks for the info on the banking situation.. >> now I understand. (As >> for Cirrus, yes, you're right.. same network, but >> Cirrus is for ATMs, so >> perhaps in the future if ATMs come to the island...) >> And BTW, for what it's >> worth, you're right about the "friendly service". I >> can't think of any other >> bank where the customers in front of me were greeted >> by name, and the teller >> was nothing but pleasant and helpful (offering to >> research in depth simply a >> passing question I had). >> >> >> >> Vince: the US doesn't charge a surcharge on credit >> card purchases either (in >> fact, it's against the law. You can have a "cash >> discount", but not a >> surcharge for credit, so there is that loophole. But >> for instance, if a >> store advertises a product for $19.95, they can't >> charge more if you use a >> credit card. Usually the only time you see a cash >> discount is maybe a >> mom-and-pop shop or something worked out informally. >> No big store offers a >> "cash discount" but it is a legal way in the US to >> get around the "no >> surcharge for credit cards" law). >> >> >> >> RE: comments on the way Americans travel. You know, >> I could say the same >> general, sweeping statements about Brits (or any >> countries). While in >> Thailand during songkran (when people splash water >> on each other), I >> remember once the only people who seemed to have a >> hissy fit and be unable >> to accept someone gleefully putting a bit of water >> on you in 40C >> temperatures always seemed to be British ("Nigel, >> make it stop! Get me out >> of here!") Was quite funny to see. Do I then >> extrapolate that all (or most) >> British travellers are this way? No. Because I've >> met plenty backpacking in >> Africa when I was. Oh wait, I'm American. What was >> *I* doing backpacking in >> Africa? Did my motorhome break down? If you run a >> campground, you're GOING >> to come in contact with people of a certain mindset. >> If you go backpacking >> somewhere, you'll see people of THAT (different) >> mindset as well. Of all the >> cultures one might rag on for this, I would pick >> Japan. Have any of you here >> been on a Japanese tour? (I have). It can be summed >> up as: "drive by" the >> point of interest, but stop and spend all the time >> at the gift shop so you >> can buy omiyage. I've been on a Japanese tour in >> both the US and Japan and >> they were both this way. Common perception is that >> Japanese always travel in >> groups, and never leave the group. But gee, how does >> one explain seeing the >> Japanese backpackers I've met along the way in my >> travels (along with their >> Japanese independent traveller books)? I realize >> this is off-topic for the >> list, but seeing as how there were at least 3 or 4 >> posts on Americans and >> how they travel, it deserves being said. You can say >> "many Americans" but if >> you just say "Americans" (or "Brits" or "Japanese"), >> then you know what? >> Chances are you haven't really travelled in other >> modes or methods yourself, >> because if you have, you'd know that was totally >> false. >> >> >> >> RE: Ascension as airport base. I suppose this could >> have been an alternate >> solution, but it would only have been a >> half-solution at best (in medical >> emergencies for instance, you still have ship travel >> time). And Ascension >> has been changing from what it once was. Not to >> mention, I could be wrong, >> but I believe only RAF flights from the UK go there? >> Since it's basically >> just a military/communication island, would they >> ever LET tourist SAA or KLM >> flights go there? >> >> >> >> PS: I know it's not intentional, but for those who >> type in CAPITAL LETTERS >> FOR THEIR ENTIRE MESSAGE please try to use >> lowercase, as generally this >> signifies that you're shouting (again, I know it's >> not intentional, but >> please try to use lowercase). >> >> >> >> Larry >> >> >> >> > The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From lgreenf at ktb.net Fri Mar 25 23:32:53 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Fri Mar 25 23:33:07 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Sorry References: <002701c53188$0bc6ac10$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <007f01c5318a$96256c50$6400a8c0@main> MessageSorry all, that last post was meant to be a private email. I hit REPLY instead of REPLY ALL but it went out to everyone instead of just the sender. It usually works when I've done it this way before. Not sure why it didn't this time. Anyway, sorry. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050325/cdd8e4a2/attachment.htm From Herbote at aol.com Sun Mar 27 12:30:06 2005 From: Herbote at aol.com (Herbote@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 27 12:30:27 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] World Tourism Directory.com - St Helena Section Message-ID: <92.23955e6c.2f77e52e@aol.com> Dear Vince Thompson (and other members of the list), Thank you for your email and your comments. Please excuse my delay. I have been out for International Tourism Exchange in Berlin. You are right, the aspect WHY to visit St. Helena or any other country, state, territory is definite not the funcion of a directory. The WorldTourismDirectory.com is a directory and not a World Tourism Guide. With the button "country information" we intent to create a partnership with the British publisher World of Information. That product here is not 100% finished yet but will be soon. There will be some additional country information available, but in any case it will be no World Tourism Guide. The needed manpower will result into advertising bombing, otherwise it is impossible to realize your idea. St. Helena is a small place in the world which maybe would result into 10 pages - but translate this into England or the US - that would be thousand of pages. Impossible for an one-man-show...., impossible for me who does not use English fluently. That is simply an other product. I do not deliver the information itself, I deliver the sources whom to contact where to get the information on tourism, business, media, environment, politics, investment etc. etc. I invite you and all members of the St Helena List to have a critical view at _www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com) and come back to me with updates. Thank you very much ! Burkhard Herbote, Germany Editor WorldTourismDirectory.com Tel: ++49-2521-823333 In einer eMail vom 09.03.2005 14:46:54 Westeurop?ische Normalzeit schreibt Vince.Thompson@networkrail.co.uk: Burkhard Herbote has a very comprehensive subject/contact list for St Helena on his website _http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com/) . The only additional information I can think of is the reasons for visiting the island. I realise this aspect may not be part of the function / remit of Herr Herbote's website. However, the plain fact is - in terms of tourism & tourists - very few people know St Helena exists. Of those that do, few have any inkling what to expect if they ever travelled there and fewer still would probably know how to get there without embarking on significant detective work. Part of that work will include searching for websites like _http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com_ (http://www.worldtourismdirectory.com/) . The most notable attractions are the spectacular natural landscapes, the Georgian facades in Jamestown and the wonderful sociableness of the islanders. Ideal situations are offered to photographers, walkers and people who just like to party! In close support there are the very evident historic legacies of the East India Company [the age of exploration] and Napoleon's incarceration. For others there is extraordinarily good fishing for most of the year, sea diving among ship wrecks and the uncaught fish, also some sailing / boat trips around the island. Herr Herbote's website gives the contacts which cover these subjects and activities - but determined attempts have to be made to persuade web-surfers and non-committed enquirers to seek out this information in the first place. This problem has perplexed The St Helena Tourist Board, and many others, for some time now. Cometh the airport - cometh the visitors. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050327/13244236/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Mon Mar 28 00:42:13 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Mon Mar 28 00:42:27 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Old St Helena News References: <000d01c532ff$b51af820$fa2c65d5@HemPC> Message-ID: <011b01c5331e$383ca0a0$0100000a@PRAXIS> Hi Jon: is this the hard-copy version? If so, the costs of getting them to Australia would be prohibitive. If it is the electronic version, I would be most interested! Regards John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ekwall" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island of Napoleon (Eng)" Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Old St Helena News Hi, Before I dump 10 years of St Helena News I thought I could ask if anyone are interested in them? John Ekwall, Sweden -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From philip.ashmole at btinternet.com Mon Mar 28 12:39:22 2005 From: philip.ashmole at btinternet.com (Philip Ashmole) Date: Tue Mar 29 09:06:17 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena airport and the endemic fauna: for the list digest Message-ID: <002001c53382$718f29e0$12202bd9@user6a472e7d3e> With the recent news that the airport will go ahead on Prosperous Bay Plain, perhaps now is a good time to think about the implications for this unique corner of St Helena. While I take no stand on whether or not it is a good thing for St Helena to have an airport, I am deeply concerned that all efforts should be made to safeguard the endemic fauna of the Plain, which is widely recognised as having special environmental value. It has an extraordinary concentration of endemic invertebrates ? over 35 endemic species have been recorded in this limited area and nowhere else on St Helena, let alone elsewhere in the world. During our studies in 2003 and 2004, we found 10 species here that had never been found before ? including a minute snail previously known only as a fossil. I am sure that there are more species to be discovered. Much of the area known as Prosperous Bay Plain will be relatively unaffected by the airport, and no doubt populations of most of the invertebrates will survive. It is the dusty Central Basin of Prosperous Bay Plain, however, that I am especially concerned about. This is a relatively small area with unusual geological features and of outstanding biological interest. It represents a mature desert ecosystem, a miniature analogue of the great continental deserts such as the Namib some 2000 km to the southeast. As such, it deserves rigorous protection and international recognition as a remarkable product of island evolution. If effectively preserved, it can become a recognised part of the island?s natural heritage, valued by tourists and a continuing source of pride to the local community. However, airport development will inevitably impinge on part of the Central Basin and much of the rest of it might easily be damaged beyond repair. Rigorous control will be needed to avoid this unique area succumbing to the impact of airport development. It is our hope that the project can be carried forward in full conformity with the spirit of the St Helena Environment Charter of 2003. If you want to find out more about the natural history of St Helena, visit our website www.kidstonmill.org.uk where you will find details of our book ?St Helena and Ascension Island: a natural history? by Philip and Myrtle Ashmole. The book includes full details of the plants and animals of both islands, as well as a wealth of background information. Myrtle Ashmole *************************************************************************** Philip and Myrtle Ashmole, Kidston Mill, Peebles EH45 8PH, UK. email: philip.myrtle@ashmole.org.uk web site: www.kidstonmill.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050328/e5b312e7/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Tue Mar 29 10:06:37 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Tue Mar 29 09:06:31 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] RE: Bank of St. Helena References: <000b01c52f84$8b00ef50$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <020501c53436$3b024510$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> MessageIn reply to your comments below concerning the servicing of ATM's For Hire (willing to relocate) Highly experienced service engineer with a broad base of competencies ranging from London Underground trains, Mainline Class 357 EMU rolling stock, Mailing machines, Parking equipment (rising steps, barriers and Pay & Display machines) and the full range of Pitney Bowes Notes counters/cheque cancellers (the basic insides of an ATM) Willing to relocate to a South Atlantic Island and offer his services as a resident service technician/all round handy man (is even prepared to fix wind turbines!!) Holds a full driving licence and has a pleasent customer focused approach to his high standard of work. Has Loose connection to the financial services of St Helena (His Great Grandfather, Robert Francis Bizarre was the islands Treasurer/harbourmaster) Current salary is circa ?28,000pa but willing to negoiate for subsidised housing, free banking and a ship biscuit!! Failing that any offer considered. Regards Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Bank of St. Helena To: 'Larry Greenfield' ; 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: [STHELENA] RE: Bank of St. Helena a.. ATMs are a long running debate, but there is no chance of progress at least until we have an airport. An ATM machine needs regular expert servicing. There is nobody on St. Helena qualified to do this work, and we can't bring someone here or justify the cost of training someone for only a few hours work (we could currently only justify having one machine). When the airport opens we will (hopefully) have enough demand to support multiple ATMs and will be able to justify the costs of flying someone in to service them or training a local person. Until then cash is available from our very friendly and helpful staff during normal banking hours. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050329/1b926a7c/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Tue Mar 29 10:08:56 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Tue Mar 29 09:08:40 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Cedit card costs References: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A5C@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> Message-ID: <021401c53436$8e06dd20$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> Cedit card costsI seem to recall that the bank of St Helena was affiliated with Lloyds TSB (I could of course be wrong about this) Surprisingly they state that they charge and additional 2.5% on top of the standard ?1:50 charge for all foreign transactions on their cards Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson Vince To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Cedit card costs Regarding Larry's and John's previous messages - this may be a small help to some on the List. Nationwide - in the UK - does not charge an additional commission for overseas purchases made using thier credit card . I have not looked thoroughly into this deeply fascinating aspect of the exciting credit card conditions universe - but I have not come across another credit card using it as a selling point. Regards Vince Thompson ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. 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Date: Tue Mar 29 09:23:37 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena References: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A57@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> <356844140.20050324123938@aaanet.ru> Message-ID: <02a001c53438$a49fdbc0$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> Hello Roman Take a look at this site http://www.worldisround.com/articles/14159/photo77.html It has loads of fascinating pictures of the island and Africa as well Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roman Pavlenko" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: [STHELENA] picturse of StHelena > Hello, > > Anybody can give me some pics of the island? I've been making a site about > it and need more pictures (amateur pictures maybe). > > Thanks > > Best regards, > Roman Pavlenko > Rostov-on-Don > Russia > > mailto:foxtrot@aaanet.ru > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Tue Mar 29 11:08:37 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Mar 29 11:07:23 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Cedit card costs In-Reply-To: <021401c53436$8e06dd20$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> Message-ID: <006401c5343e$e7f161e0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Hi, Jon, Sorry to be picky but I feel I should point this out: Bank of St. Helena has a commercial relationship with Lloyds TSB for the supply of certain services. Neither party has any influence over the other's activities, so I think the term 'affiliated' implies a much stronger link than is actually there. With regard to international card charges, the amount you pay is entirely up to your card issuer. They will be charged by the card scheme (e.g. Visa) for your use of their international system, and may pass on some or all of these charges, in addition to any charges of their own. If this is a matter of concern to you it is best to check with your bank/credit card company before travelling. If you don't like the answer you can shop around for a better deal. I hope that helps. John Turner Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Jon (who else?) Sent: 29 March 2005 08:09 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Cedit card costs I seem to recall that the bank of St Helena was affiliated with Lloyds TSB (I could of course be wrong about this) Surprisingly they state that they charge and additional 2.5% on top of the standard ?1:50 charge for all foreign transactions on their cards Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson Vince To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Cedit card costs Regarding Larry's and John's previous messages - this may be a small help to some on the List. Nationwide - in the UK - does not charge an additional commission for overseas purchases made using thier credit card . I have not looked thoroughly into this deeply fascinating aspect of the exciting credit card conditions universe - but I have not come across another credit card using it as a selling point. 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In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050329162503.49451.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I manage a fairly large academic program at private university in Tokyo and have recently been so overwhelmed with work that I haven't had time to properly keep up with all the list postings. Even as I write, it is past one a.m. I remembered a few minutes ago a passage in the first of the first of the many dynastic histories of China and thought it might apply in its own way to St. Helena. It seems that several centuries B.C. there was an extremely rich Chinese gentleman. When an aquaintance inquired as to how he had been able to build up such a fortune without family or government connections to help him, he stated he had always made it a rule to buy when everyone else was selling and to sell when everyone else was buying. The above principle seems self-evident, but it is clearly usually ignored, as can so often be seen in wild and unpredictable stock market swings. I don't know whether the following has been proposed before or not, but, if it were possible for a Japanese resident in Japan to open a St. Helena bank account or to put money into a St. Helena investment fund, I think now is the best time to do something of that nature. Just as surely as St. Helena has gone through an unprecedented economic depression, it will have an economic rebound in the future that will leave present investors quite satistified with their returns. Furthermore, the building of an airport can only accelerate matters in a positive way. The key to things in general is, I believe, to keep in mind the small things that make life better and to keep a cool head when the big picture tends to overwhelm one. My apologies if the above appears to be a bit off the wall. It's the eccentric professor in me. Hikaru Hikaru Kitabayashi, Chair Department of English Faculty of Foreign Languages Daito Bunka University 1-9-1 Takashimadaira Itabashi-ku, Tokyo-to 175-8571 JAPAN From helenbray at webtv.net Thu Mar 31 16:08:26 2005 From: helenbray at webtv.net (Helen Bray) Date: Thu Mar 31 16:09:07 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena In-Reply-To: Hdchucker@aol.com's message of Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:46:37 EST Message-ID: <18978-424C045A-1010@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net> Dear Chuk and Patty, Thank you for your most informative letter about St. Helena. Are you a member of the Napoleonic Society? You seem very interested in "the little corporal". I have contacted them but never recieved a reply. Too bad about Longwood but from what I have read it was not a very imposing building in the first place and on the windy and damp side of the island. Napoleon was always complaining that he should have had better accomodations on the other side of the island and said that the poor conditions affected his health so I am not surprised that it deteriorated. I did not see the film that you mentioned.I wonder if it s still available. Do you remember the title and was it a BBC production? I am looking to go there in 2006. I have contacted the shipping company and there is a sailing from England in March. I go to England a couple of times a year so that would work out for me. Do you live in the U.S.? Have you any plans to visit? I was thinkng that the airport would bring in a lot of tourism , Hilton Hotels. conference centers and golf courses etc.. but perhaps the small size of the island would prevent that but certiainly it would change things, just clearing the land for a large project on such a small island would be bad for the total enviornment. I would love to hear from any other Napoleon admirers or prospective travelers to St. Helena. If you would like to correspond please e mail me at my e mail address: helenbray@webtv.net rather that the list. Best wishes, Helen Bray 2102 S. Westnedge Ave. Kalamazoo , Mi. From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Thu Mar 31 16:59:28 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Thu Mar 31 16:59:31 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: Endemic Invertebrates in Prosperous Bay Basin Message-ID: <47961DE15E7B98438975AF8451161069126A88@sr1mm01.corp.UKrail.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Thompson Vince > Sent: 31 March 2005 15:58 > To: 'list@sthelena.se' > Subject: Endemic Invertebrates in Prosperous Bay Basin > > > > In pointing out the potential damage airport construction may cause for endemic invertebrates in the Prosperous Bay Basin, Philip Ashmole has raised one of the most important points regarding the physical effects an airport may have for St Helena. > > It is interesting that three runway options were considered by WS Atkins before making their recommendations. And that just prior to the announcement on 14th March the DfID Minister answered a House of Commons question [on 8th March I think] by stating that 2,000m & 2,250m runway lengths were being considered. > > I'm told a 2,000m runway would be the shortest option worth consideration. > > The official announcement only mentioned a 2,250m runway. > > This 250m difference could be extremely important in the context of preserving tens of species which exist only in those few acres which make up the Prosperous Bay Basin. > > Kind Regards > > Vince Thompson > > > ************************************************************************************************ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ************************************************************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050331/1dfce070/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Mar 31 20:56:19 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 31 20:56:38 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] FW: Endemic Invertebrates in Prosperous Bay Basin Message-ID: <19e.306b7698.2f7da1d3@aol.com> If the 2,000 meter runway would work, it might be the best compromise, even though the extra 250 meters could offer an additional degree of safety a perhaps allow a slightly larger plane to use the airstrip. I am reminded a bit of an area that is only about four miles from my home. It was a sand-dune area that the locals used to go out and have a bit of fun with their 4x4's, Dune-buggys, and other sand toys. It wasn't a huge area and it didn't have any super-high dunes in it, it was just kind of a neat close place to go. The place was not a mess as we kept it clean and litter-free. It was decided that we could no longer use the area. The reason given was because of the fringe-toed lizard. Our fun spot was shutdown and closed off to almost anybody. That was about 20 years ago, and in a very short period of time any evidence of dune-buggy activity was completely erased. Sand heals very quickly. It came from a bunch of old people who got upset because of kids riding small cc motorcycles down their streets making noise because they didn't have mufflers on them. I don't know of anybody who ever got hurt out there, so that shouldn't have been any kind of issue. In the end, they searched for a reason and then pushed it through. However, I have some good news: You can now, once again, drive a vehicle there as much as you want; for you see, it has now been turned into another country-club with a large golf-course. The sand dunes are all but gone except for a bit of picturesque ambiance as a backdrop for the clubhouse, but it isn't a large dune. What the Palm Springs / Indio area needed was another cc with gc. More water to be used in supporting an ecosystem that is false for the area. Water in the Coachella Valley is not infinite, but we would likely have enough water if there were a moratorium placed on the golf industry; those green fairways take a lot of water to support, although they already have plenty of sand for the sand-traps. The fringe-toed lizard, who is he? More important, if what they led us to believe 20 years ago was at all true, where is he? I have to feel that it should be a democratically voted on proposition by the islanders of St. Helena, and them only. After all it is their future that is at stake, so it should be their decision to make. I would love to go there someday, and it would be a real help if it were not so difficult to get there. But, that is not my call and I don't want it to be; other than for the islanders to be able to make it their own decision, 100-percent. Chuk'r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050331/753969c1/attachment.htm From imann at rocketmail.com Thu Mar 31 22:11:20 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Thu Mar 31 22:11:32 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050331201121.2284.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com> I'm searching the London Times the on line edition and find no reference to a airport on the island. Somebody send in the article please. Helen Bray wrote: Dear Chuk and Patty, Thank you for your most informative letter about St. Helena. Are you a member of the Napoleonic Society? You seem very interested in "the little corporal". I have contacted them but never recieved a reply. Too bad about Longwood but from what I have read it was not a very imposing building in the first place and on the windy and damp side of the island. Napoleon was always complaining that he should have had better accomodations on the other side of the island and said that the poor conditions affected his health so I am not surprised that it deteriorated. I did not see the film that you mentioned.I wonder if it s still available. Do you remember the title and was it a BBC production? I am looking to go there in 2006. I have contacted the shipping company and there is a sailing from England in March. I go to England a couple of times a year so that would work out for me. Do you live in the U.S.? Have you any plans to visit? I was thinkng that the airport would bring in a lot of tourism , Hilton Hotels. conference centers and golf courses etc.. but perhaps the small size of the island would prevent that but certiainly it would change things, just clearing the land for a large project on such a small island would be bad for the total enviornment. I would love to hear from any other Napoleon admirers or prospective travelers to St. Helena. If you would like to correspond please e mail me at my e mail address: helenbray@webtv.net rather that the list. Best wishes, Helen Bray 2102 S. Westnedge Ave. Kalamazoo , Mi. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050331/e747a6c2/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Mar 31 22:39:24 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 31 22:39:42 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] first visit to St Helena Message-ID: <62.51df21da.2f7db9fc@aol.com> Hello, Helen: Patty and I live in Palm Desert, California. My name is Charles, shortened and beatup to being Chuckar. I was given the nickname Chuckar by some biker babes who started calling me that. I thought about it and decided to use it because I don't know of anybody else that has that name. You won't forget the name Chuckar as easy as just Chuck. I shortened it down by dropping the "c" and the "a" and added an apostrophe: Chuk'r. A Chuckar is a red-legged partridge, which I might resemble a bit, as I look to be very scotch with gold colored hair and ruddy complexion. If I were to wear a pair of shorts in the sun, my legs would be red, just like the Chuckar's. Patty is predominently French. Patty and I have been married for going on 33 years now. We have lived in the same house here in PD for 30 years. We have two Siberian Huskies and a cat, and I was just informed that we also own a Black Widow Spider that lives behind our large wide-screen TV set. Patty has a hard time harming any critter, almost. She does enjoy hunting however, and has limited out on both dove and quail. Do not expect the Widow to be a pet for much longer, however. Patty doesn't seem to understand that a Widow could do a lot of harm to one of the pets, or to us for that matter. We have no children living at home. All our family members live in either the San Francisco area or in Payson, Arizona. We will be going tho Payson shortly, I really like it there. Our main interests at present are: photography; reading; film collecting; writing; and motorcycling for me. Photography; reading; ceramics; sewing; knitting; and flowers for her. Our home resembles a jungle with all kinds of roses and flowers amongst the trees and creeping myrtle that has taken over the entire front yard. Our home doesn't resemble any other house that much, except for Todd's home that is across the street from us. He has went the big plant route. Kalamazoo is a long way away. We have a town to go along with yours: Cucamonga... I enjoy talking and writing about the little corporal and have several books on him. His time at St. Helena for me was the most interesting because the happenings slowed down and the true personality of Napoleon is able to be seen, if you can cut through some of the fighting he had with Sir Hudson Lowe. The time that he spent with the Balcombes is especially illuminating. The Balcombes had two young daughters and Napoleon absolutely loved them and they could get away with murder, while the rest of his entourage was attempting to keep up the idea of reverence for the great emperor. A book I would most recommend about St. Helena is "The Emperor's Last Island," by Julia Blackburn. Julia went to the island about ten years ago and stayed there for some time. Most of the info that I have related to you came from her book. Regardless of the attractiveness of a book that contains Napoleon, it is one of the very best reads I have in my library. If you get it, be prepared to not be able to put it down. The Emperor's Last Island is every bit as much about St. Helena as it is about Napoleon, in fact it is a bit into the book before Napoleon ever sets foot on St. Helena. The book is a historical document that goes clear back to the very beginnings of anybody going and living there. It proceeds up through time, while Napoleon is being taken to the island in separate chapters. Julia's travel to the island corresponds with Napoleon's, and they more or less get there at the same time in the book. Julia reports on the joys and sorrows of the islanders and what her interaction was with them. She also reports on her visit to Longwood and to see the English Governor. The book travels through the time on St. Helena and then goes on to report Napoleon's death, his funeral, and his removal and transport to Paris, some 20 years after his death. It also covers the period after Napoleon's demise, especially the period that concerns Napoleons assets on the island and Sir Hudson Lowe's attempt to confiscate them. Outstanding book. No, I am not a member of the Napoleonic Society. My interest in him actually started with the BBC program I mentioned which led to the purchase of a book titled "The Murder of Napoleon." That book contained a great deal about his time at St. Helena, and it wet my appetite for wanting to find out more. I find him to be fascinating and that he wielded such absolute power but abused it less than most anybody else who ever had power. If England could have allowed things to exist as they were after Napoleon came to power, the history of the early 19th century would have been a great deal different. I don't believe that Napoleon wanted all those wars in the least. The problem was that he was just too damn good at waging war and he would go out, kick butt, and then go back home. If you look at it, it appears to me that his later campaigns were an attempt to settle the issue once and for all. He was getting too old to suffer the hardships of a military campaign, and he wanted to retire to govern France. At the battle of Borodino he reportedly had such an intestinal problem that he was barely able to apply any leadership. I sent out a query on the PBS program, to the St. Helena mailing list, that I mentioned to you about the actor that played all the parts and went to St. Helena and Longwood. I got a return that it was a British BBC production, but I know of now way to find out if there are any copies of the production still to be had. It was about 20 years ago, or more, that I saw it. Seeing that program, started it all. I would give quite a bit to be able to place that program in my film library. Napoleon's complaining about Longwood's location is for me a bit difficult to justify. Napoleon established a cold war on St. Helena against Sir Hudson Lowe to such an extent that it is hard, for me at least, to separate the fact from the fiction. The island is very small. I don't believe that it is a large as Santa Catalina Island, that is just offshore from Southern California. It is a bit hard for me to picture that Longwood could be that different for another place up on the mesa. He sure had a good supply of rats at Longwood. Longwood was not much more than a barn before Napoleon, and after his demise the British didn't want to make it any kind of a shrine, so it returned to a barn only this time even more of a stable. It is a bit interesting that the British built another home for Napoleon that was a great deal nicer than what he had in Longwood House. I believe that it was but a short distance from the original house, but he refused to move to the new location. I think there is a bit of cutting of the nose to spite the face. I also think that if he would have stopped the court manner for an Emperor things would have been a lot more fun for him. But he was absolutely hell-bent against Sir Hudson Lowe and anything that Lowe could do for him. That propelled the very insecure and paranoid Sir Hudson Lowe into becoming an extremely overbearing warden. The English certainly could have chosen a much better Governor for St. Helena than Sir Hudson Lowe, but I rather think that if it was given to a man of more prominence it would have seemed as a drop in grade. Lowe wasn't like a lot by the crown and his selection may have been made in order to make the corporal suffer, knowing what would most likely happen. But, the corporal could certainly have been a whole lot easier to get along with, and Lowe did try at first to be nice. Napoleon informed Lowe that if any Limey was to break into his house he would execute them on the spot. Made Lowe really feel warm inside. Napoleon was required to show himself at least twice a day as I recall, and he hid for weeks. That is what prompted Lowe declaring that he would have to break down the door in order to do what was required. Napoleon cut holes in the widow blinds so that he could see the British outside the house. At night the British began marching inside the yard and established a parimeter up close to the dwelling itself. After dawn, the soldiers would back away to outside the main grounds. The idea of Hilton's and country-clubs coming to the island doesn't seem to me the correct idea for St. Helena. But, I am absolutely convinced that the solution to St. Helena should be in the hands of those who actually live on the island, and nobody else. For us, who might go there and spend a week or so, and then most likely be gone forever, I don't think we should have a say in it whatsoever. Only the islanders can justify if an airport and all the rest is the best for them, and worth a compromise on the ecosystem. Nothing is really free, it would seem. I think far too often people get to thinking what they believe is best without any consideration for the people who are caught in the middle of it all. I see it in most all of the wild areas. It has been said that they are saving it all for our children, but nobody can go there. I have a rather hard time imagining that I will ever get to go to St. Helena, but things could change and an airport would certainly make it easier to get there. Julia Blackburn, the book author, sailed all the way from England. I think it was to better capture the artistic feeling of Napoleon's own trip to St. Helena. Her book has a sweep to it that a normal historical document doesn't have. Julia commented that it many ways it was more difficult to go to St. Helena than it was in Napoleon's day. With the regular boat from Ascension Island, and transport to Ascension by air, it would appear that things are quite a bit different from they were when Julia went there, sometime in the early 90's as I remember. Well, I had better let you go. I write about as fast as I can talk and it often shows it. Hope you enjoy my thoughts on the issue. Hope all is well with you and yours. 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