From calvillo45 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 1 15:48:45 2005 From: calvillo45 at hotmail.com (Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri) Date: Sat Jan 1 15:49:11 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Tristan da Cunha Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050101/a3247fe7/attachment.htm From lgreenf at ktb.net Sat Jan 1 18:57:08 2005 From: lgreenf at ktb.net (Larry Greenfield) Date: Sat Jan 1 18:57:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Tristan da Cunha References: Message-ID: <002901c4f02b$50185b50$6400a8c0@main> Hi, I wrote a pretty detailed travelogue of when I was in St. Helena and Tristan da Cunha 4 years ago. If anyone wants to read it, email me (lgreenf@ktb.net). Happy New Years everyone! Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Tristan da Cunha I live in Mexico City and have been interested in Tristan for a long time. recently purchased half a dozen books and various other publications on this beautiful and intriguing island. There is no published material in Spanish, but there is much in English and some in Italian. There are various web pages with plenty of fotographs. Since 2004, the RMS St. Helena NO LONGER makes its yearly call, but several cruise ships do call at least 6 times a year. Please contact me in Spanish as calvillo45@hotmail.com and I will be glad to correspond with you. Happy new year 2005 to all!!!!! Luis Calvillo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050101/1b039d35/attachment.htm From ronreena95776 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 1 22:57:38 2005 From: ronreena95776 at yahoo.com (ron melancon) Date: Sat Jan 1 22:57:49 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Tristan da Cunha In-Reply-To: <002901c4f02b$50185b50$6400a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20050101215738.34850.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Larry, I would like to read your Travelogue on St. Helena and Tristan da Cunha. Thank you Ron Melancon Woodland, California --- Larry Greenfield wrote: > Hi, > I wrote a pretty detailed travelogue of when I was > in St. Helena and Tristan da Cunha 4 years ago. > If anyone wants to read it, email me > (lgreenf@ktb.net). > > Happy New Years everyone! > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Luis Carlos Calvillo Capri > To: list@sthelena.se > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:48 AM > Subject: [STHELENA] Tristan da Cunha > > > I live in Mexico City and have been interested in > Tristan for a long time. recently purchased half a > dozen books and various other publications on this > beautiful and intriguing island. There is no > published material in Spanish, but there is much in > English and some in Italian. There are various web > pages with plenty of fotographs. Since 2004, the RMS > St. Helena NO LONGER makes its yearly call, but > several cruise ships do call at least 6 times a > year. > Please contact me in Spanish as > calvillo45@hotmail.com and I will be glad to > correspond with you. > > Happy new year 2005 to all!!!!! > > Luis Calvillo > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail.> The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From adriano1es at yahoo.es Sun Jan 2 13:39:23 2005 From: adriano1es at yahoo.es (adriano san antonio) Date: Sun Jan 2 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Adriano from Spain Message-ID: <20050102123923.74186.qmail@web51906.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to All to help me. My best desires for this year that begins.thak you very munch. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ?250 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From themolland8 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 2 14:10:47 2005 From: themolland8 at hotmail.com (Matthew Holland) Date: Sun Jan 2 14:11:10 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Hi Message-ID: hi this is the fitrst time thgat i have tried this so this really just a test to work out how it works! Isn't it funny tht we are all fasinated by some 48square mile in the middle of the atlantic ocean when some of us don't live tere. My Gran was born on St Helena, daughter of a passing cable layer. Till next time M@ _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From nanystrom at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 21:04:11 2005 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Tue Jan 4 00:40:30 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Hi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050103200411.50291.qmail@web54507.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Matthew! Welcome to the list! We all seem to have a connection to the island somewhere in our families. That little island holds a lot of history. Hope you find what you are looking for at this web-site. The people involved in it are full of information. Enjoy! Nissa --- Matthew Holland wrote: > hi this is the fitrst time thgat i have tried this > so this really just a > test to work out how it works! Isn't it funny tht we > are all fasinated by > some 48square mile in the middle of the atlantic > ocean when some of us don't > live tere. > My Gran was born on St Helena, daughter of a passing > cable layer. > Till next time > M@ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN > Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From themolland8 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 4 16:35:28 2005 From: themolland8 at hotmail.com (Matthew Holland) Date: Tue Jan 4 16:36:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Thanks Message-ID: Thanks, the reason that i joined is because i would like to go to St Helena for a few months during my gap year which is in 2 years (i'm in year 11 in England). After my gap year i intend to go to university to study aeronautical engineering and then join the RAF. Less about me, how is everyone else connected to St Helena? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From Lem26on at aol.com Tue Jan 4 16:49:46 2005 From: Lem26on at aol.com (Lem26on@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 4 16:50:03 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Thanks Message-ID: Hi, Matt: I am curious. What is a gap year. Haven't heard that expression before. Jeane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Tue Jan 4 20:26:28 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (john.turner@sainthelenabank.com) Date: Tue Jan 4 20:26:21 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Thanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050104192620.A484AEFA80@smtp-1.ukservers.net> If you are interested in banking please feel free to contact me at the Bank of St. Helena when you know of your plans. John Turner Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh) Notice to Recipients This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail in error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Matthew Holland Sent: 04 January 2005 15:35 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Thanks Thanks, the reason that i joined is because i would like to go to St Helena for a few months during my gap year which is in 2 years (i'm in year 11 in England). After my gap year i intend to go to university to study aeronautical engineering and then join the RAF. Less about me, how is everyone else connected to St Helena? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Tue Jan 4 21:19:57 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Just me and the world) Date: Tue Jan 4 21:20:04 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Thanks References: Message-ID: <01fe01c4f29a$c26b16e0$1b6dd0d5@Jon> My Great Grandfather was Robert Francis Bizarre OBE he was the Islands treasurer and harbour master. His daughter (my Grand-mother) was born on the Island and married a "passing Royal Marine". Actually he (my Grand-father) was stationed on the Island and they returned to the UK mainland in 1937. Several members of my family have been back to the Island, some quite regulary, but I haven't been yet, however, once Camelot do the decent thing I'll be off like a shot!! Welcome to the List Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Holland" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Thanks > Thanks, the reason that i joined is because i would like to go to St Helena > for a few months during my gap year which is in 2 years (i'm in year 11 in > England). After my gap year i intend to go to university to study > aeronautical engineering and then join the RAF. > Less about me, how is everyone else connected to St Helena? > Matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? 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It would be really great if everyone on the list could plan a trip at the same time. ha ha ha! I would love to meet some of the people who correspond here. Good luck with school and career! Nissa --- Matthew Holland wrote: > Thanks, the reason that i joined is because i would > like to go to St Helena > for a few months during my gap year which is in 2 > years (i'm in year 11 in > England). After my gap year i intend to go to > university to study > aeronautical engineering and then join the RAF. > Less about me, how is everyone else connected to St > Helena? > Matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free > MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From themolland8 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 09:47:47 2005 From: themolland8 at hotmail.com (Matthew Holland) Date: Wed Jan 5 09:48:12 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking Message-ID: HI, unfortunatly my gap year won't be for another two years so.. But when i go, where can you exchange money, the RMS St Helena or only on the island, also how expensive are hotel rooms? Thanks alot Matt _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From imann at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 5 12:34:08 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:34:17 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Thanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050105113408.51520.qmail@web50309.mail.yahoo.com> Mat, I had a gap once when I got out of the Marine Corp I went on a binge for almost a year. I don't think I was sober more than a day for a year before I sobered up. A gap of a year in my life in my life. Is that the same? Matthew Holland wrote: Thanks, the reason that i joined is because i would like to go to St Helena for a few months during my gap year which is in 2 years (i'm in year 11 in England). After my gap year i intend to go to university to study aeronautical engineering and then join the RAF. Less about me, how is everyone else connected to St Helena? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After my gap year i intend to go to university to study aeronautical engineering and then join the RAF. Less about me, how is everyone else connected to St Helena? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. Get more from the Web FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050105/c6e9b185/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Wed Jan 5 15:22:37 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (john.turner@sainthelenabank.com) Date: Wed Jan 5 15:22:32 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050105142230.2F7F7EFAB7@smtp-1.ukservers.net> I can't advise on hotel rooms, and anyway prices will change in the meantime, but banking issues I can help with. I hope the others on-list will also fin this information useful. The bank can exchange money and travellers cheques into St. Helenian Pounds (SHP) over the counter at the bank in Jamestown (and also on Ascension). We are currently working on the facility to advance cash (in SHP) against Visa and MasterCard debit cards, and this is expected to be working in the next few months. You need to know that the SHP is linked to Sterling, so the exchange rate varies directly with the Sterling rate. Please also be aware that only the larger retailers on the island accept credit and debit card payment, though this may change by the time you arrive. If you will be staying for a while on the island it would be worth opening an account with the bank. Then you can transfer money easily to the island from your home bank and draw it out locally when you need it. You don't need to do that now but do make contact nearer the time and we can set it up. Bank of St. Helena current accounts pay interest - soon the current rate will be publicised and maintained on the website. You can also change money on the RMS and if you are arriving on a non-banking day it would be a good idea to have some cash with you when you land. All the best, John Turner Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh) Notice to Recipients This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail in error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Matthew Holland Sent: 05 January 2005 08:48 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Banking HI, unfortunatly my gap year won't be for another two years so.. But when i go, where can you exchange money, the RMS St Helena or only on the island, also how expensive are hotel rooms? Thanks alot Matt _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From Larry.Klem at Andrew.com Wed Jan 5 15:38:45 2005 From: Larry.Klem at Andrew.com (Klem, Larry) Date: Wed Jan 5 15:40:36 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking Message-ID: John, thanks for the information- are there ATM's on the island? Are there any restrictions on who can open a account? What is the expected interest rate (ballpark figure)? Kind Regards LARRY KLEM INSTALLATION SUPERVISOR ANDREW CORPORATION RICHARDSON, TEXAS 75082 -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:23 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Banking I can't advise on hotel rooms, and anyway prices will change in the meantime, but banking issues I can help with. I hope the others on-list will also fin this information useful. The bank can exchange money and travellers cheques into St. Helenian Pounds (SHP) over the counter at the bank in Jamestown (and also on Ascension). We are currently working on the facility to advance cash (in SHP) against Visa and MasterCard debit cards, and this is expected to be working in the next few months. You need to know that the SHP is linked to Sterling, so the exchange rate varies directly with the Sterling rate. Please also be aware that only the larger retailers on the island accept credit and debit card payment, though this may change by the time you arrive. If you will be staying for a while on the island it would be worth opening an account with the bank. Then you can transfer money easily to the island from your home bank and draw it out locally when you need it. You don't need to do that now but do make contact nearer the time and we can set it up. Bank of St. Helena current accounts pay interest - soon the current rate will be publicised and maintained on the website. You can also change money on the RMS and if you are arriving on a non-banking day it would be a good idea to have some cash with you when you land. All the best, John Turner Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh) Notice to Recipients This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail in error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Matthew Holland Sent: 05 January 2005 08:48 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Banking HI, unfortunatly my gap year won't be for another two years so.. But when i go, where can you exchange money, the RMS St Helena or only on the island, also how expensive are hotel rooms? Thanks alot Matt _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. 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Any unauthorized use of this email is prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [mf2] From themolland8 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 15:57:55 2005 From: themolland8 at hotmail.com (Matthew Holland) Date: Wed Jan 5 15:58:25 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking Message-ID: Thanks, i had a look at the banks website to see whaty other sevrvices are avalible which is all good. Are there any cash withdrawal machines on the Island to sacve going to the bank? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Wed Jan 5 18:02:44 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Wed Jan 5 18:02:54 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking Message-ID: Hi Matt, You can exchange money on the RMS St. Helena (probalby the highest rates though) or on St. Helena (still quite high) I thought you were English?....... The British Pound and the St. Helenian Pound are equal in value and you can use the British pound on the island. Depending on how long you plan on staying, you will not want to stay at a hotel. There are flats or rooms for rent. How did you become interested in St. Helena? Tessa in Portland -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Matthew Holland Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:48 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Banking HI, unfortunatly my gap year won't be for another two years so.. But when i go, where can you exchange money, the RMS St Helena or only on the island, also how expensive are hotel rooms? Thanks alot Matt _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Wed Jan 5 18:29:27 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Wed Jan 5 18:29:37 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking Message-ID: ......as of one year ago, there were no ATM machines on the island. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Matthew Holland Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 6:58 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Banking Thanks, i had a look at the banks website to see whaty other sevrvices are avalible which is all good. Are there any cash withdrawal machines on the Island to sacve going to the bank? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From themolland8 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 18:59:40 2005 From: themolland8 at hotmail.com (Matthew Holland) Date: Wed Jan 5 19:00:06 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Currency etc Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050105/90dd2b59/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Wed Jan 5 19:37:01 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Wed Jan 5 19:37:20 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Currency etc Message-ID: Hi Matthew, I have read that book and knew the Wooltortons (the children and my mum worked with Dr. Wooltorton at the hospital). I am actually from St. Helena. I left when I was 15. I go back whenever I can to visit my family. My immediate family is also here in the US, with some in the UK. All my visits are wonderful! I am biased, but it's a beautiful island and the people are wonderful. In my opinion, December - March are the best months to visit (and why not get out of the cold in England?). Christmas time brings many "Saints" home from overseas, the schools are closed, many people are off work for the holidays and there's a really good atmosphere. If you plan on going at this time though you should book at least a year in advance. What was your gran's surname? St. Helena is very small. I would at least know the family name. Food and essentials shopping is fairly easy but expensive. There will no doubt be lots of things unavailable on the island compared to what you're used to in England. There are definitely things I would recommend bringing with you...such as film (if you're using a manual camera), batteries etc. (I'll pass on anything else I can think of) I would definitely recommend renting a room or flat, or perhaps there is some long lost family members you could stay with?.... Tessa -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Matthew Holland Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:00 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Currency etc Hi Tessa, no your're right i am English. I'm planning on staying for about two or three months and just explore every bit of the island and take alot of photographs to show my Mum and family. I became interested in St Helena quite recently after reading a book called 'A Doctors Thoughts on ST Helena' by Dr SJ Wooltorton. Its quite a random book; worth reading but the gorgeous photographs of the island...need i say more (isbn-0951178229 if your interested). . I've known about st Helena for years, My Gran was born there (see my first email, labeled 'Hi'). Is suppose i'd rent a room/small flat for the period, how easy is food/essentials shopping on St Helena? Also how do you become interested in St Helena and what was you visit like last year? _____ MSN Premium gives you PC protection, junk-mail filters, advanced communication tools and great software like MSN Encarta(r) Premium. Click here for a FREE trial! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050105/0bec4856/attachment-0001.htm From goldswains at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 21:59:55 2005 From: goldswains at hotmail.com (Christopher Goldswain) Date: Wed Jan 5 22:00:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking In-Reply-To: <20050105142230.2F7F7EFAB7@smtp-1.ukservers.net> Message-ID: Hi John Is it possible to get a mortgage and can you give details of any estate agents? Regards Chris >From: >Reply-To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com, "All about St. Helena - The >Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >Atlantic(Eng)'" >Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Banking >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:37 -0000 > >I can't advise on hotel rooms, and anyway prices will change in the >meantime, but banking issues I can help with. I hope the others on-list >will also fin this information useful. > >The bank can exchange money and travellers cheques into St. Helenian Pounds >(SHP) over the counter at the bank in Jamestown (and also on Ascension). >We >are currently working on the facility to advance cash (in SHP) against Visa >and MasterCard debit cards, and this is expected to be working in the next >few months. > >You need to know that the SHP is linked to Sterling, so the exchange rate >varies directly with the Sterling rate. > >Please also be aware that only the larger retailers on the island accept >credit and debit card payment, though this may change by the time you >arrive. > >If you will be staying for a while on the island it would be worth opening >an account with the bank. Then you can transfer money easily to the island >from your home bank and draw it out locally when you need it. You don't >need to do that now but do make contact nearer the time and we can set it >up. Bank of St. Helena current accounts pay interest - soon the current >rate will be publicised and maintained on the website. > >You can also change money on the RMS and if you are arriving on a >non-banking day it would be a good idea to have some cash with you when you >land. > >All the best, >John Turner >Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh) >Notice to Recipients >This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail >in >error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this >e-mail is strictly prohibited > >-----Original Message----- >From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf >Of Matthew Holland >Sent: 05 January 2005 08:48 >To: list@sthelena.se >Subject: [STHELENA] Banking > >HI, unfortunatly my gap year won't be for another two years so.. >But when i go, where can you exchange money, the RMS St Helena or only on >the island, also how expensive are hotel rooms? >Thanks alot >Matt > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From themolland8 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 09:48:05 2005 From: themolland8 at hotmail.com (Matthew Holland) Date: Thu Jan 6 09:49:11 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] falily name Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050106/516b4e40/attachment.htm From themolland8 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 09:57:01 2005 From: themolland8 at hotmail.com (Matthew Holland) Date: Thu Jan 6 09:58:13 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Family Tree Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050106/ae5bbaab/attachment.htm From themolland8 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 10:49:57 2005 From: themolland8 at hotmail.com (Matthew Holland) Date: Thu Jan 6 10:50:22 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Family Tree Message-ID: I have just found out theat the family name is 'Gibb' but i'm not sure about her first name. Walther Claire (Cable Layer) m ___?___Gibb------------------------Lived On St Helena ¦ Born On St Helena----------------------- Alice Ellen Clare m ____?__Gater and emmigrated to UK ¦ Marjorie Eva Gater m Aubry Hobbs ¦ Clare Hobbs m Keith Holland ¦ Matt Holland (ME)and 3 siblings _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Thu Jan 6 12:18:33 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (john.turner@sainthelenabank.com) Date: Thu Jan 6 12:18:43 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050106111946.71B6527816F@server30.ukservers.net> The bank does advance funds in the form of a mortgage, with the usual provisos (valuation/status/etc.). There are no estate agents and houses are bought and sold by informal agreement. They are often advertised in the Herald, which you can read online from http://www.news.co.sh Regards, John Turner Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh) Notice to Recipients This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail in error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Christopher Goldswain Sent: 05 January 2005 21:00 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Banking Hi John Is it possible to get a mortgage and can you give details of any estate agents? Regards Chris >From: >Reply-To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com, "All about St. Helena - The >Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >Atlantic(Eng)'" >Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Banking >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:37 -0000 > >I can't advise on hotel rooms, and anyway prices will change in the >meantime, but banking issues I can help with. I hope the others >on-list will also fin this information useful. > >The bank can exchange money and travellers cheques into St. Helenian >Pounds >(SHP) over the counter at the bank in Jamestown (and also on Ascension). >We >are currently working on the facility to advance cash (in SHP) against >Visa and MasterCard debit cards, and this is expected to be working in >the next few months. > >You need to know that the SHP is linked to Sterling, so the exchange >rate varies directly with the Sterling rate. > >Please also be aware that only the larger retailers on the island >accept credit and debit card payment, though this may change by the >time you arrive. > >If you will be staying for a while on the island it would be worth >opening an account with the bank. Then you can transfer money easily >to the island from your home bank and draw it out locally when you need >it. You don't need to do that now but do make contact nearer the time >and we can set it up. Bank of St. Helena current accounts pay interest >- soon the current rate will be publicised and maintained on the website. > >You can also change money on the RMS and if you are arriving on a >non-banking day it would be a good idea to have some cash with you when >you land. > >All the best, >John Turner >Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh) Notice to Recipients >This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the >transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. If you >received this e-mail in error, any review, use, dissemination, >distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited > >-----Original Message----- >From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On >Behalf Of Matthew Holland >Sent: 05 January 2005 08:48 >To: list@sthelena.se >Subject: [STHELENA] Banking > >HI, unfortunatly my gap year won't be for another two years so.. >But when i go, where can you exchange money, the RMS St Helena or only >on the island, also how expensive are hotel rooms? >Thanks alot >Matt > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From imann at rocketmail.com Mon Jan 10 19:08:41 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Mon Jan 10 19:08:52 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Banking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050110180841.88435.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> You know I've been to other islands in the world and I'll bet St. Helena is no different; they don't sell property to none residents let alone give mortgages to buy recreational property. What’s the banker say probably yes if you wanted to build a resort but not to individuals who are not citizens of the island correct? The government would be very foolish to let this happen. Christopher Goldswain wrote: Hi John Is it possible to get a mortgage and can you give details of any estate agents? Regards Chris >From: >Reply-To: john.turner@sainthelenabank.com, "All about St. Helena - The >Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South >Atlantic(Eng)'" >Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Banking >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:22:37 -0000 > >I can't advise on hotel rooms, and anyway prices will change in the >meantime, but banking issues I can help with. I hope the others on-list >will also fin this information useful. > >The bank can exchange money and travellers cheques into St. Helenian Pounds >(SHP) over the counter at the bank in Jamestown (and also on Ascension). >We >are currently working on the facility to advance cash (in SHP) against Visa >and MasterCard debit cards, and this is expected to be working in the next >few months. > >You need to know that the SHP is linked to Sterling, so the exchange rate >varies directly with the Sterling rate. > >Please also be aware that only the larger retailers on the island accept >credit and debit card payment, though this may change by the time you >arrive. > >If you will be staying for a while on the island it would be worth opening >an account with the bank. Then you can transfer money easily to the island >from your home bank and draw it out locally when you need it. You don't >need to do that now but do make contact nearer the time and we can set it >up. Bank of St. Helena current accounts pay interest - soon the current >rate will be publicised and maintained on the website. > >You can also change money on the RMS and if you are arriving on a >non-banking day it would be a good idea to have some cash with you when you >land. > >All the best, >John Turner >Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh) >Notice to Recipients >This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, >and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail >in >error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this >e-mail is strictly prohibited > >-----Original Message----- >From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf >Of Matthew Holland >Sent: 05 January 2005 08:48 >To: list@sthelena.se >Subject: [STHELENA] Banking > >HI, unfortunatly my gap year won't be for another two years so.. >But when i go, where can you exchange money, the RMS St Helena or only on >the island, also how expensive are hotel rooms? >Thanks alot >Matt > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > >The S:t Helena Mailing List >To unsubscribe please send a email to: >list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050110/17c2f591/attachment.htm From imann at rocketmail.com Mon Jan 10 19:28:08 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Mon Jan 10 19:28:18 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: <20050110182808.97774.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050110/5cc0b331/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Mon Jan 10 19:36:30 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Mon Jan 10 19:36:40 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: There are no horses on St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050110/e364b7b8/attachment.htm From Larry.Klem at Andrew.com Mon Jan 10 19:37:21 2005 From: Larry.Klem at Andrew.com (Klem, Larry) Date: Mon Jan 10 19:39:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: now that is interesting! Is there any particular reason or just not worth the hassle? -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:37 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse There are no horses on St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! 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I"m not sure why. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Klem, Larry Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:37 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Importance: High now that is interesting! Is there any particular reason or just not worth the hassle? -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:37 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse There are no horses on St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? 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Is there any particular > reason or just not worth the hassle? > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:37 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > There are no horses on St. Helena. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of > Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM > To: thesaints > Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > How long does it take to ride a horse from one end > of the island to the other at say a walk and can you > hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the > other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at > the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. > > > > > _____ > > Post your free ad now! > Yahoo! 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So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Tue Jan 11 00:23:23 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Tue Jan 11 00:23:33 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse References: Message-ID: <010701c4f76b$617586b0$0100000a@PRAXIS> That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph of) a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's Day picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse There are no horses on St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From imann at rocketmail.com Tue Jan 11 16:25:06 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Tue Jan 11 16:25:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse In-Reply-To: <010701c4f76b$617586b0$0100000a@PRAXIS> Message-ID: <20050111152506.19953.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> That's real interesting because I was on a cruise to the Caribbean Islands and some of those islands don't have horses yet they'll complain about $5.00 a gallon for gasoline(it's expensive because ever thing is brought in by boat) and the islands aren't that big. You could ride a horse from one end to the other in about 2 hours and keep that money on the island. Just my observation John Coyle wrote: That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph of) a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's Day picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse There are no horses on St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050111/55d003eb/attachment.htm From imann at rocketmail.com Tue Jan 11 16:30:13 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Tue Jan 11 16:30:21 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: <20050111153013.21826.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050111/4a29d54d/attachment.htm From bob at eastcaribbean.com Tue Jan 11 17:02:02 2005 From: bob at eastcaribbean.com (Bob Conrich) Date: Tue Jan 11 17:02:12 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse In-Reply-To: <20050111152506.19953.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050111152506.19953.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41E3F87A.7040902@eastcaribbean.com> Dear Sergeant Mann, A car and a horse are not simply different kinds of transportation. On my island in the Caribbean a car has several different attributes, but it is primarily perceived as how one tells the difference between a man and a boy. I don't know where you're from in America, Sergeant, but in most towns in the U.S., it's no different. Have you seriously suggested to any young American men that they forget about owning an impractical, unnecessary and expensive car and buy a horse? We all know that would be inappropriate. So what is the essential difference between young men in America and young men in the Caribbean that makes it appropriate for my people but not for yours? With kind regards from the sunny Caribbean, Bob Conrich Anguilla British West Indies Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 wrote: > That's real interesting because I was on a cruise to the Caribbean > Islands and some of those islands don't have horses yet they'll complain > about $5.00 a gallon for gasoline(it's expensive because ever thing is > brought in by boat) and the islands aren't that big. You could ride a > horse from one end to the other in about 2 hours and keep that money on > the island. Just my observation -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 From thomas at flyingkettle.com Tue Jan 11 17:11:10 2005 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Tue Jan 11 17:11:12 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse In-Reply-To: <41E3F87A.7040902@eastcaribbean.com> References: <20050111152506.19953.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41E408AE.17845.50B94EF@localhost> On 11 Jan 2005 at 12:02, Bob Conrich wrote: > Have you seriously suggested to any young American men that they forget > about owning an impractical, unnecessary and expensive car and buy a > horse? We all know that would be inappropriate. Primarily it would be inappropriate because it would contain a basic kernel of untruth - in the American environment, a car is almost a necessity to adult life, and it certainly isn't "impractical and unnecessary"! > So what is the essential difference between young men in America and > young men in the Caribbean that makes it appropriate for my people but > not for yours? Well, (a) the environment, because on St. Helena (and on a small Caribbean island) a horse is a much more valid alternative to an automobile, than it would be in an American town; and (b) perhaps the young men in the Caribbean have more sense? Thomas Goodey ********************************************************* The introduction of a multiplicity of objectives into a problem not only destroys its unity, but also increases markedly both the time necessary for, and the actual personal danger involved in, its solution. ---------------- Nadreck of Palain VII From imann at rocketmail.com Tue Jan 11 17:22:34 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Tue Jan 11 17:22:47 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse In-Reply-To: <41E3F87A.7040902@eastcaribbean.com> Message-ID: <20050111162234.89992.qmail@web50305.mail.yahoo.com> I understand the different attributes you speak of and yes that is so in America. But if I had anything to do with the government of that island I'd make it very difficult to own a car because of the wealth that leaves the local economy related to autos. I would try to be as self efficient as possible and relay on local generated economics as possible. Hope you have a sunny day Bob Conrich wrote: Dear Sergeant Mann, A car and a horse are not simply different kinds of transportation. On my island in the Caribbean a car has several different attributes, but it is primarily perceived as how one tells the difference between a man and a boy. I don't know where you're from in America, Sergeant, but in most towns in the U.S., it's no different. Have you seriously suggested to any young American men that they forget about owning an impractical, unnecessary and expensive car and buy a horse? We all know that would be inappropriate. So what is the essential difference between young men in America and young men in the Caribbean that makes it appropriate for my people but not for yours? With kind regards from the sunny Caribbean, Bob Conrich Anguilla British West Indies Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 wrote: > That's real interesting because I was on a cruise to the Caribbean > Islands and some of those islands don't have horses yet they'll complain > about $5.00 a gallon for gasoline(it's expensive because ever thing is > brought in by boat) and the islands aren't that big. You could ride a > horse from one end to the other in about 2 hours and keep that money on > the island. Just my observation -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050111/bfa968ea/attachment.htm From Larry.Klem at Andrew.com Tue Jan 11 17:22:48 2005 From: Larry.Klem at Andrew.com (Klem, Larry) Date: Tue Jan 11 17:24:42 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: How about a compromise- Ride a motorcycle like I do. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:11 AM To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse On 11 Jan 2005 at 12:02, Bob Conrich wrote: > Have you seriously suggested to any young American men that they forget > about owning an impractical, unnecessary and expensive car and buy a > horse? We all know that would be inappropriate. Primarily it would be inappropriate because it would contain a basic kernel of untruth - in the American environment, a car is almost a necessity to adult life, and it certainly isn't "impractical and unnecessary"! > So what is the essential difference between young men in America and > young men in the Caribbean that makes it appropriate for my people but > not for yours? Well, (a) the environment, because on St. Helena (and on a small Caribbean island) a horse is a much more valid alternative to an automobile, than it would be in an American town; and (b) perhaps the young men in the Caribbean have more sense? 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Any unauthorized use of this email is prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [mf2] From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Tue Jan 11 17:41:06 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Tue Jan 11 17:41:19 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: John, that might have been the last one. The time frame seems right. I would love to ride on St. Helena....not for getting around, but for pure pleasure. Have you been to the island since 1968? -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of John Coyle Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:23 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph of) a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's Day picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse There are no horses on St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Tue Jan 11 17:44:37 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Tue Jan 11 17:44:46 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: Hi Nissa, It would be a good business if there were more tourists, but it would incredibly expensive (to start and run the business)and too much would have to be charged (to the tourist)to cover costs and make a small profit. My experience has been that tourists on St. Helena don't normally want to spend very much money. >From sunny and cold Portland. Tessa -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Nissa Nystrom Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:23 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse One would think that a horse riding business would do well on St. Helena if tourism is high. --- "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: > I know that at one time there were horses on the > island, but not in last 20 or so years. I"m not > sure why. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Klem, > Larry > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:37 AM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > Importance: High > > > now that is interesting! Is there any particular > reason or just not worth the hassle? > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:37 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > There are no horses on St. Helena. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of > Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM > To: thesaints > Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > How long does it take to ride a horse from one end > of the island to the other at say a walk and can you > hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the > other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at > the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. > > > > > _____ > > Post your free ad now! > Yahoo! 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From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Tue Jan 11 17:59:49 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Tue Jan 11 17:59:59 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050111/3b22ebcb/attachment.htm From Larry.Klem at Andrew.com Tue Jan 11 18:02:31 2005 From: Larry.Klem at Andrew.com (Klem, Larry) Date: Tue Jan 11 18:04:26 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: If we are going to try and make it environmentally correct lets use the newly repaired wind turbine for electricity and operate battery powered vehicles!! No feeding, no vets, no fuel.................. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:00 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of this email is prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [mf2] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050111/b21b61d0/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Tue Jan 11 18:20:23 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Tue Jan 11 18:20:34 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: Brilliant idea! I've fought against the wind on that slope (below Flagstaff). -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Klem, Larry Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:03 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Importance: High If we are going to try and make it environmentally correct lets use the newly repaired wind turbine for electricity and operate battery powered vehicles!! No feeding, no vets, no fuel.................. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:00 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of this email is prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [mf2] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050111/39dcacb1/attachment-0001.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Tue Jan 11 18:34:43 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (john.turner@sainthelenabank.com) Date: Tue Jan 11 18:34:49 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050111173447.34D7DEFB1B@smtp-1.ukservers.net> If anyone is interested in setting up a business to import/sell/maintain such vehicles on the island, the bank would be happy to discuss financing ..... John Turner Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh ) Notice to Recipients This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail in error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa M. Hughley Sent: 11 January 2005 17:20 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Brilliant idea! I've fought against the wind on that slope (below Flagstaff). -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Klem, Larry Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:03 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Importance: High If we are going to try and make it environmentally correct lets use the newly repaired wind turbine for electricity and operate battery powered vehicles!! No feeding, no vets, no fuel.................. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:00 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of this email is prohibited. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- [mf2] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050111/3f20f3cf/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Tue Jan 11 18:48:56 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Tue Jan 11 18:49:08 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: Is the Bank of St. Helena a private bank? Who is it affiliated with? -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of john.turner@sainthelenabank.com Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:35 AM To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans If anyone is interested in setting up a business to import/sell/maintain such vehicles on the island, the bank would be happy to discuss financing ..... John Turner Bank of St. Helena ( www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh ) Notice to Recipients This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail in error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Tessa M. Hughley Sent: 11 January 2005 17:20 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Brilliant idea! I've fought against the wind on that slope (below Flagstaff). -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Klem, Larry Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:03 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Importance: High If we are going to try and make it environmentally correct lets use the newly repaired wind turbine for electricity and operate battery powered vehicles!! No feeding, no vets, no fuel.................. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:00 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of this email is prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [mf2] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050111/c043e422/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Tue Jan 11 23:29:44 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Tue Jan 11 23:29:56 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse References: Message-ID: <009001c4f82d$0ce900f0$0100000a@PRAXIS> Unfortunately,no. Much as I would love to return, the constraints of bringing up a family, then of having moved from England to Australia, have prevented it. One day,perhaps, if I win Lotto! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > John, that might have been the last one. The time frame seems right. I > would love to ride on St. Helena....not for getting around, but for pure > pleasure. Have you been to the island since 1968? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf Of John Coyle > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:23 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph > of) > a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's Day > picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tessa M. Hughley" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > There are no horses on St. Helena. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM > To: thesaints > Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the > other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one > end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices > and it seems to me there kind of steep. > > > > > _____ > > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada > Personals > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Tue Jan 11 23:47:50 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Tue Jan 11 23:48:05 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: You might have mentioned in previous postings, but what took you to St. Helena in 1968? -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of John Coyle Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:30 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Unfortunately,no. Much as I would love to return, the constraints of bringing up a family, then of having moved from England to Australia, have prevented it. One day,perhaps, if I win Lotto! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > John, that might have been the last one. The time frame seems right. I > would love to ride on St. Helena....not for getting around, but for pure > pleasure. Have you been to the island since 1968? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf Of John Coyle > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:23 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph > of) > a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's Day > picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tessa M. Hughley" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > There are no horses on St. Helena. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM > To: thesaints > Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the > other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one > end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices > and it seems to me there kind of steep. > > > > > _____ > > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada > Personals > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Wed Jan 12 00:09:49 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Just me and the world) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:09:20 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse References: Message-ID: <078601c4f832$a64c7ba0$1b6dd0d5@Jon> Now you're talking!! Just out of curiosity, how many vehicles are there on the island? I don't suppose there are that many Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klem, Larry" To: ; "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > How about a compromise- > > Ride a motorcycle like I do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Wed Jan 12 00:22:43 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:22:53 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: There are too many cars on St. Helena. For a population that is now (I believe) approximately 3900, there are in the vicinity of 1200 to 1500 cars. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Just me and the world Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:10 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Now you're talking!! Just out of curiosity, how many vehicles are there on the island? I don't suppose there are that many Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klem, Larry" To: ; "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > How about a compromise- > > Ride a motorcycle like I do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Wed Jan 12 08:53:00 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Wed Jan 12 08:53:11 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse References: Message-ID: <01e901c4f87b$bd01e3a0$0100000a@PRAXIS> I probably haven't told the story in this forum, I think. In 1966 I worked in London for John I. Jacobs and Co., a shipping company whose founding family had set up an investment trust, Chesham Investments. Because of a long-standing relationship with the island, the trust had purchased a majority shareholding in Solomon and Co. many years earlier At that time, the Solomon's management team comprised Hugh Kennedy, George Moss (both ex-pats), Walter Sim and Reggie Constantine, with Liney Yon, Cyril Lawrence and Roy Lawrence also holding senior positions. Hugh felt that they needed someone with a more formal accounting background to help manage the company, and I was offered the job in 1966. I arrived in January 1967, and left, after Thornton's purchase of the Chesham shares, in May 1969. There was no way I could have worked under Thornton's management, although I had absolutely no desire to leave, as I was very happy on St. Helena. However, I had no choice, as Thornton sacked all the senior managers in August 1968, and although he made noises about signing new contracts, he never made any moves in that direction. Older residents will tell you that those months between August 1968 and March 1969 were traumatic for most people, with strong factions forming and even demonstrations in the street! I still try to keep in touch with events, and a few of the people I knew then, but it was all a long time ago, and I know that some have died and others moved on - and I'm not the best letter-writer in the world (just ask my kids!). Won't bore you with any more details, although I love talking about the island and will go on at length if allowed or encouraged! Regards John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > You might have mentioned in previous postings, but what took you to St. > Helena in 1968? > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf Of John Coyle > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:30 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > Unfortunately,no. Much as I would love to return, the constraints of > bringing up a family, then of having moved from England to Australia, have > prevented it. One day,perhaps, if I win Lotto! > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tessa M. Hughley" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:41 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > >> John, that might have been the last one. The time frame seems right. I >> would love to ride on St. Helena....not for getting around, but for pure >> pleasure. Have you been to the island since 1968? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >> Behalf Of John Coyle >> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:23 PM >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >> That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph >> of) >> a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's >> Day >> picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? >> >> John Coyle >> Brisbane, Australia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tessa M. Hughley" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM >> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >> There are no horses on St. Helena. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >> Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 >> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM >> To: thesaints >> Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >> How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the >> other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one >> end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices >> and it seems to me there kind of steep. >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada >> Personals >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From imann at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 12 12:31:26 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Wed Jan 12 12:31:36 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050112113126.13354.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com> I can see the way your talking you've never been to the Midwest they have a very popular island called Mackinac no automobiles or trucks just ho res and bikes as a matter of fact there's a couple other ones also. I've stayed on Mackinac for a summer vacation when I was a teenager and have been there since for a couple of weeks and yes the police ride bikes or ho res. the local government of the island have pasted or dances forbidding autos. "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050112/e5c69064/attachment.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Wed Jan 12 17:55:07 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Wed Jan 12 17:55:18 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: Hello John, I was not born yet... :-) but I do remember the name "Thornton" and got a very distinct sense as as a child that he was a "bad" man. Where did you live when you were on the island? Consider this encouragement to go on.... Tessa -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of John Coyle Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:53 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse I probably haven't told the story in this forum, I think. In 1966 I worked in London for John I. Jacobs and Co., a shipping company whose founding family had set up an investment trust, Chesham Investments. Because of a long-standing relationship with the island, the trust had purchased a majority shareholding in Solomon and Co. many years earlier At that time, the Solomon's management team comprised Hugh Kennedy, George Moss (both ex-pats), Walter Sim and Reggie Constantine, with Liney Yon, Cyril Lawrence and Roy Lawrence also holding senior positions. Hugh felt that they needed someone with a more formal accounting background to help manage the company, and I was offered the job in 1966. I arrived in January 1967, and left, after Thornton's purchase of the Chesham shares, in May 1969. There was no way I could have worked under Thornton's management, although I had absolutely no desire to leave, as I was very happy on St. Helena. However, I had no choice, as Thornton sacked all the senior managers in August 1968, and although he made noises about signing new contracts, he never made any moves in that direction. Older residents will tell you that those months between August 1968 and March 1969 were traumatic for most people, with strong factions forming and even demonstrations in the street! I still try to keep in touch with events, and a few of the people I knew then, but it was all a long time ago, and I know that some have died and others moved on - and I'm not the best letter-writer in the world (just ask my kids!). Won't bore you with any more details, although I love talking about the island and will go on at length if allowed or encouraged! Regards John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:47 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > You might have mentioned in previous postings, but what took you to St. > Helena in 1968? > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf Of John Coyle > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:30 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > Unfortunately,no. Much as I would love to return, the constraints of > bringing up a family, then of having moved from England to Australia, have > prevented it. One day,perhaps, if I win Lotto! > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tessa M. Hughley" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:41 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > >> John, that might have been the last one. The time frame seems right. I >> would love to ride on St. Helena....not for getting around, but for pure >> pleasure. Have you been to the island since 1968? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >> Behalf Of John Coyle >> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:23 PM >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >> That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph >> of) >> a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's >> Day >> picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? >> >> John Coyle >> Brisbane, Australia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tessa M. Hughley" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM >> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >> There are no horses on St. Helena. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >> Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 >> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM >> To: thesaints >> Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >> How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the >> other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one >> end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices >> and it seems to me there kind of steep. >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada >> Personals >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Wed Jan 12 18:25:38 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Wed Jan 12 18:25:48 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: I'm not saying there is no place in the world or the US where motor vehicles are forbidden. Makinac Island caters to tourists and is a very different place than St. Helena. St. Helena is 47 square miles of very steep, hilly terrain. Banning cars on the island would be completely impractical. I'll reiterate that I agree with you in terms of ideals in this regard. I would like to see less cars on St. Helena. I would love to see St. Helena frozen in time the way it was when I was a child- no television, no internet, few cars and donkeys loaded down with grass or wood on the country roads. Unfortunately this would neither work, nor be fair to the Saints, who still have to live and make a living there. I say "no internet" only because of the negative things that one can find or be exposed to there. On the other hand the internet and email has made communicating with St. Helena easier and cheaper. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:31 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I can see the way your talking you've never been to the Midwest they have a very popular island called Mackinac no automobiles or trucks just ho res and bikes as a matter of fact there's a couple other ones also. I've stayed on Mackinac for a summer vacation when I was a teenager and have been there since for a couple of weeks and yes the police ride bikes or ho res. the local government of the island have pasted or dances forbidding autos. "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050112/f12d75af/attachment-0001.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Wed Jan 12 20:49:09 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 20:49:22 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: <12f.54755448.2f16d935@aol.com> As best I understand it, the people of St. Helena are not having an easy time of it; and, a lot of it comes from being a forgotten, and often mistreated, stepchild of Great Britain. St. Helena needs to have all the publicity it can get in order to make the world understand its situation. To deny them anything along these lines would hinder them in this effort. In this way, the Internet can be very beneficial to them. It would appear that it is almost as difficult to get to St. Helena today, as it was back in 1816, and that doesn't help them. A more active tourism would help them economically, and the fact that the island has some very unique and beautiful things going for it could make it a very attractive tourist destination. To want St. Helena to remain as it was in yesteryear would make it picturesque and quaint, but it might not be the best idea for the people who have to live there. I am sure it could be worked out to where the 'place in time' could be secured and the islanders could have their cake to eat. An airport above Jamestown and a settlement there, with accommodations, might help them a great deal. More people going there would also let their problems be known. As it is, few ever give St. Helena a thought. More about St. Helena needs to be known besides the historical fact that Napoleon Bonaparte died in exile there on May 05, 1821. Chuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050112/2a2bd355/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Thu Jan 13 00:49:07 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Thu Jan 13 00:49:21 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse References: Message-ID: <003401c4f901$4e6e9510$0100000a@PRAXIS> Hi Tessa: you may regret having encouraged me! Yes, Thornton was a bad man, in many people's eyes: he was well known on the island as he had arrived in late 1967 as owner/manager of FRASHI, which set up and ran a crayfish operation out of Rupert's Bay. He built the jetty, freezing and packing plant, and the road between the two. However, the operation wasn't successful as the trawlers never caught sufficient cray of the right size for the market. For that or some other reason, he bought the majority shareholding in Solomon's, and then blew it by his first acts, which were to sack the management team and to cancel the next quarterly shipment from the UK! You can imagine what that did to the economy, and how many shortages arose in even basic foodstuffs as a result. Then there were rumours that he wanted to import apartheid (he then lived in South Africa), and people's feelings just went through the roof. I'll be putting together a fuller history of the events of that time for the "Wirebird", so I'll save more detail for that. When I and my family first arrived, we lived in Francis Plain House, rented by Solomon's from the Education Department, then when our new house was finished, moved there. In those days it was named "Spring Knoll", and is on the right-hand side of the road between St.Paul's and Rosemary Plain,opposite Oaklands: Cyril Lawrence lived there for a while after we left, I understand. Time to write up a journal of that time, I think.... John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:55 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > Hello John, > > I was not born yet... :-) but I do remember the name "Thornton" and got a > very distinct sense as as a child that he was a "bad" man. Where did you > live when you were on the island? Consider this encouragement to go > on.... > > Tessa > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf Of John Coyle > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:53 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > I probably haven't told the story in this forum, I think. > > In 1966 I worked in London for John I. Jacobs and Co., a shipping company > whose founding family had set up an investment trust, Chesham Investments. > Because of a long-standing relationship with the island, the trust had > purchased a majority shareholding in Solomon and Co. many years earlier > > At that time, the Solomon's management team comprised Hugh Kennedy, George > Moss (both ex-pats), Walter Sim and Reggie Constantine, with Liney Yon, > Cyril Lawrence and Roy Lawrence also holding senior positions. Hugh felt > that they needed someone with a more formal accounting background to help > manage the company, and I was offered the job in 1966. > > I arrived in January 1967, and left, after Thornton's purchase of the > Chesham shares, in May 1969. There was no way I could have worked under > Thornton's management, although I had absolutely no desire to leave, as I > was very happy on St. Helena. However, I had no choice, as Thornton > sacked > all the senior managers in August 1968, and although he made noises about > signing new contracts, he never made any moves in that direction. > > Older residents will tell you that those months between August 1968 and > March 1969 were traumatic for most people, with strong factions forming > and > even demonstrations in the street! > > I still try to keep in touch with events, and a few of the people I knew > then, but it was all a long time ago, and I know that some have died and > others moved on - and I'm not the best letter-writer in the world (just > ask > my kids!). > > Won't bore you with any more details, although I love talking about the > island and will go on at length if allowed or encouraged! > > Regards > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tessa M. Hughley" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:47 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > >> You might have mentioned in previous postings, but what took you to St. >> Helena in 1968? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >> Behalf Of John Coyle >> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:30 PM >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >> Unfortunately,no. Much as I would love to return, the constraints of >> bringing up a family, then of having moved from England to Australia, >> have >> prevented it. One day,perhaps, if I win Lotto! >> >> John Coyle >> Brisbane, Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tessa M. Hughley" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:41 AM >> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >>> John, that might have been the last one. The time frame seems right. I >>> would love to ride on St. Helena....not for getting around, but for pure >>> pleasure. Have you been to the island since 1968? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >>> Behalf Of John Coyle >>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:23 PM >>> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >>> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >>> >>> >>> That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph >>> of) >>> a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's >>> Day >>> picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? >>> >>> John Coyle >>> Brisbane, Australia >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tessa M. Hughley" >>> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM >>> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >>> >>> >>> There are no horses on St. Helena. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >>> Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 >>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM >>> To: thesaints >>> Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >>> >>> >>> How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the >>> other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one >>> end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices >>> and it seems to me there kind of steep. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada >>> Personals >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Thu Jan 13 01:11:26 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Thu Jan 13 01:11:38 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Message-ID: Hi John, I know both those houses well. Francis Plain House is now a part of the Prince Andrew School complex. I think it might be the teachers' lounge. Spring Knoll is now privately owned. Rupert's Valley has also gone through major changes since then. I don't know if you ever used it, but the (pedestrians only) road from Jamestown to Ruperts, the one that goes around by the coast, is permanently closed. There had been several rock falls in the general area, causing a major hazard and major damage. The island's power station is now at Ruperts and there is a fish processing plant. You should write a journal...a memoir of sorts. Best regards, Tessa -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of John Coyle Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:49 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse Hi Tessa: you may regret having encouraged me! Yes, Thornton was a bad man, in many people's eyes: he was well known on the island as he had arrived in late 1967 as owner/manager of FRASHI, which set up and ran a crayfish operation out of Rupert's Bay. He built the jetty, freezing and packing plant, and the road between the two. However, the operation wasn't successful as the trawlers never caught sufficient cray of the right size for the market. For that or some other reason, he bought the majority shareholding in Solomon's, and then blew it by his first acts, which were to sack the management team and to cancel the next quarterly shipment from the UK! You can imagine what that did to the economy, and how many shortages arose in even basic foodstuffs as a result. Then there were rumours that he wanted to import apartheid (he then lived in South Africa), and people's feelings just went through the roof. I'll be putting together a fuller history of the events of that time for the "Wirebird", so I'll save more detail for that. When I and my family first arrived, we lived in Francis Plain House, rented by Solomon's from the Education Department, then when our new house was finished, moved there. In those days it was named "Spring Knoll", and is on the right-hand side of the road between St.Paul's and Rosemary Plain,opposite Oaklands: Cyril Lawrence lived there for a while after we left, I understand. Time to write up a journal of that time, I think.... John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:55 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > Hello John, > > I was not born yet... :-) but I do remember the name "Thornton" and got a > very distinct sense as as a child that he was a "bad" man. Where did you > live when you were on the island? Consider this encouragement to go > on.... > > Tessa > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On > Behalf Of John Coyle > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:53 PM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > > I probably haven't told the story in this forum, I think. > > In 1966 I worked in London for John I. Jacobs and Co., a shipping company > whose founding family had set up an investment trust, Chesham Investments. > Because of a long-standing relationship with the island, the trust had > purchased a majority shareholding in Solomon and Co. many years earlier > > At that time, the Solomon's management team comprised Hugh Kennedy, George > Moss (both ex-pats), Walter Sim and Reggie Constantine, with Liney Yon, > Cyril Lawrence and Roy Lawrence also holding senior positions. Hugh felt > that they needed someone with a more formal accounting background to help > manage the company, and I was offered the job in 1966. > > I arrived in January 1967, and left, after Thornton's purchase of the > Chesham shares, in May 1969. There was no way I could have worked under > Thornton's management, although I had absolutely no desire to leave, as I > was very happy on St. Helena. However, I had no choice, as Thornton > sacked > all the senior managers in August 1968, and although he made noises about > signing new contracts, he never made any moves in that direction. > > Older residents will tell you that those months between August 1968 and > March 1969 were traumatic for most people, with strong factions forming > and > even demonstrations in the street! > > I still try to keep in touch with events, and a few of the people I knew > then, but it was all a long time ago, and I know that some have died and > others moved on - and I'm not the best letter-writer in the world (just > ask > my kids!). > > Won't bore you with any more details, although I love talking about the > island and will go on at length if allowed or encouraged! > > Regards > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tessa M. Hughley" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:47 AM > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse > > >> You might have mentioned in previous postings, but what took you to St. >> Helena in 1968? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >> Behalf Of John Coyle >> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:30 PM >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >> Unfortunately,no. Much as I would love to return, the constraints of >> bringing up a family, then of having moved from England to Australia, >> have >> prevented it. One day,perhaps, if I win Lotto! >> >> John Coyle >> Brisbane, Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tessa M. Hughley" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:41 AM >> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >> >> >>> John, that might have been the last one. The time frame seems right. I >>> would love to ride on St. Helena....not for getting around, but for pure >>> pleasure. Have you been to the island since 1968? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >>> Behalf Of John Coyle >>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:23 PM >>> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >>> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >>> >>> >>> That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph >>> of) >>> a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's >>> Day >>> picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? >>> >>> John Coyle >>> Brisbane, Australia >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tessa M. Hughley" >>> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM >>> Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >>> >>> >>> There are no horses on St. Helena. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On >>> Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 >>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM >>> To: thesaints >>> Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse >>> >>> >>> How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the island to the >>> other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one >>> end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices >>> and it seems to me there kind of steep. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! 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The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jan 11 17:02:50 2005 From: jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk (Jeff@tiscali) Date: Thu Jan 13 12:03:47 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse References: <20050111152506.19953.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003001c4f7f7$00770780$0300a8c0@ELISE> Complain about $5.00 a gallon for gas? Try buying it here in the UK you will pay around 85p a litre for it. Thats about $6.20 a US gallon. We pay around the ?.3.87 mark for a UK gallon of gas. And we are producers of our own oil. Unfortunately it's the wrong sort to make gasoline out of. Hope to get to St. Helena one day. By that time gas will no longer be available!!! Regards Jeff ( with an ancestor on the island) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse That's real interesting because I was on a cruise to the Caribbean Islands and some of those islands don't have horses yet they'll complain about $5.00 a gallon for gasoline(it's expensive because ever thing is brought in by boat) and the islands aren't that big. You could ride a horse from one end to the other in about 2 hours and keep that money on the island. Just my observation John Coyle wrote: That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph of) a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's Day picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse There are no horses on St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the i! sland to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050110/a2d41b1c/attachment.htm From imann at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 13 13:33:31 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Thu Jan 13 13:33:40 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Tracing family members In-Reply-To: <000a01c4f745$44a3b500$0ba18351@stdpn> Message-ID: <20050113123331.7403.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Dick, who stuck that "ie" on the end of your name I've known a lot of Crow's in Canada and England. Richard Crowie wrote: Hi, My name is Richard Crowie, I live in the U.K, and my father, Harold Crowie, was an islander. Sadly he passed away recently and we never had chance to get to know each other properly, as my mother and father were seperated when I was a cdhild. I did meet my father some years ago, but it was a brief meeting. I would like to make contact with anyone who has knowledge of the Crowie family on the island, perhaps you are a Crowie yourself, we may be related! Please get in touch. Richard Crowie The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050113/908ad809/attachment.htm From imann at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 13 14:31:54 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Thu Jan 13 14:32:04 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050113133154.33378.qmail@web50305.mail.yahoo.com> Yes it does but thats only in the summer for about 3-4 months there are a lot of people who live there year round. Sorry but I just read that the island relays heavily on aid from England if I was a tax payer I would hope none of my taxes went toward helping someone buy and maintain a auto. "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: I'm not saying there is no place in the world or the US where motor vehicles are forbidden. Makinac Island caters to tourists and is a very different place than St. Helena. St. Helena is 47 square miles of very steep, hilly terrain. Banning cars on the island would be completely impractical. I'll reiterate that I agree with you in terms of ideals in this regard. I would like to see less cars on St. Helena. I would love to see St. Helena frozen in time the way it was when I was a child- no television, no internet, few cars and donkeys loaded down with grass or wood on the country roads. Unfortunately this would neither work, nor be fair to the Saints, who still have to live and make a living there. I say "no internet" only because of the negative things that one can find or be exposed to there. On the other hand the internet and email has made communicating with St. Helena easier and cheaper. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:31 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I can see the way your talking you've never been to the Midwest they have a very popular island called Mackinac no automobiles or trucks just ho res and bikes as a matter of fact there's a couple other ones also. I've stayed on Mackinac for a summer vacation when I was a teenager and have been there since for a couple of weeks and yes the police ride bikes or ho res. the local government of the island have pasted or dances forbidding autos. "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. 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What other info do you have Johnny Dont forget to come and visit us at www.southatlanticimages.com Johnny Clingham Serco and Defence mailto Johnny@atlantic-technology.net www.southatlanticimages.com -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of list-request@sthelena.se Sent: 13 January 2005 13:32 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 16 Send List mailing list submissions to list@sthelena.se To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to list-request@sthelena.se You can reach the person managing the list at list-owner@sthelena.se When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Riding a horse (Jeff@tiscali) 2. Tracing family members (Richard Crowie) 3. Re: Tracing family members (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) 4. RE: no more Europeans (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:02:50 -0000 From: "Jeff@tiscali" Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" Message-ID: <003001c4f7f7$00770780$0300a8c0@ELISE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Complain about $5.00 a gallon for gas? Try buying it here in the UK you will pay around 85p a litre for it. Thats about $6.20 a US gallon. We pay around the #.3.87 mark for a UK gallon of gas. And we are producers of our own oil. Unfortunately it's the wrong sort to make gasoline out of. Hope to get to St. Helena one day. By that time gas will no longer be available!!! Regards Jeff ( with an ancestor on the island) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Riding a horse That's real interesting because I was on a cruise to the Caribbean Islands and some of those islands don't have horses yet they'll complain about $5.00 a gallon for gasoline(it's expensive because ever thing is brought in by boat) and the islands aren't that big. You could ride a horse from one end to the other in about 2 hours and keep that money on the island. Just my observation John Coyle wrote: That's interesting Tessa - I can remember, (and still have a photograph of) a fellow from Longwood riding over to Francis Plain for the New Year's Day picnic in 1968. Maybe that was the last horse on the island? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tessa M. Hughley" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:36 AM Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Riding a horse There are no horses on St. Helena. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:28 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] Riding a horse How long does it take to ride a horse from one end of the i! sland to the other at say a walk and can you hire a horse? Can a person walk from one end to the other in a day? Can you camp out I was looking at the prices and it seems to me there kind of steep. _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050110/a2d41b1c/a ttachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Tracing family members To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" Message-ID: <20050113123331.7403.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dick, who stuck that "ie" on the end of your name I've known a lot of Crow's in Canada and England. Richard Crowie wrote: Hi, My name is Richard Crowie, I live in the U.K, and my father, Harold Crowie, was an islander. Sadly he passed away recently and we never had chance to get to know each other properly, as my mother and father were seperated when I was a cdhild. I did meet my father some years ago, but it was a brief meeting. I would like to make contact with anyone who has knowledge of the Crowie family on the island, perhaps you are a Crowie yourself, we may be related! Please get in touch. Richard Crowie The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050113/908ad809/a ttachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:31:54 -0500 (EST) From: Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" Message-ID: <20050113133154.33378.qmail@web50305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes it does but thats only in the summer for about 3-4 months there are a lot of people who live there year round. Sorry but I just read that the island relays heavily on aid from England if I was a tax payer I would hope none of my taxes went toward helping someone buy and maintain a auto. "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: I'm not saying there is no place in the world or the US where motor vehicles are forbidden. Makinac Island caters to tourists and is a very different place than St. Helena. St. Helena is 47 square miles of very steep, hilly terrain. Banning cars on the island would be completely impractical. I'll reiterate that I agree with you in terms of ideals in this regard. I would like to see less cars on St. Helena. I would love to see St. Helena frozen in time the way it was when I was a child- no television, no internet, few cars and donkeys loaded down with grass or wood on the country roads. Unfortunately this would neither work, nor be fair to the Saints, who still have to live and make a living there. I say "no internet" only because of the negative things that one can find or be exposed to there. On the other hand the internet and email has made communicating with St. Helena easier and cheaper. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:31 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I can see the way your talking you've never been to the Midwest they have a very popular island called Mackinac no automobiles or trucks just ho res and bikes as a matter of fact there's a couple other ones also. I've stayed on Mackinac for a summer vacation when I was a teenager and have been there since for a couple of weeks and yes the police ride bikes or ho res. the local government of the island have pasted or dances forbidding autos. "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050113/cb06736b/a ttachment.htm ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ List mailing list List@sthelena.se http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list End of List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 16 *********************************** __________ NOD32 1.969 (20050112) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Thu Jan 13 17:50:22 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Thu Jan 13 17:50:35 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: Yes that's right the island is a British dependent. I know of no situation or circumstance under which any of that aid would go towards buying or maintaining personal automobiles. I apologise. I suppose I don't quite understand your comment. Does the American goverment, which also "aids" it citizens through social programs, buy or maintain personal automobiles for said citizens? -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:32 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Yes it does but thats only in the summer for about 3-4 months there are a lot of people who live there year round. Sorry but I just read that the island relays heavily on aid from England if I was a tax payer I would hope none of my taxes went toward helping someone buy and maintain a auto. "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: I'm not saying there is no place in the world or the US where motor vehicles are forbidden. Makinac Island caters to tourists and is a very different place than St. Helena. St. Helena is 47 square miles of very steep, hilly terrain. Banning cars on the island would be completely impractical. I'll reiterate that I agree with you in terms of ideals in this regard. I would like to see less cars on St. Helena. I would love to see St. Helena frozen in time the way it was when I was a child- no television, no internet, few cars and donkeys loaded down with grass or wood on the country roads. Unfortunately this would neither work, nor be fair to the Saints, who still have to live and make a living there. I say "no internet" only because of the negative things that one can find or be exposed to there. On the other hand the internet and email has made communicating with St. Helena easier and cheaper. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:31 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I can see the way your talking you've never been to the Midwest they have a very popular island called Mackinac no automobiles or trucks just ho res and bikes as a matter of fact there's a couple other ones also. I've stayed on Mackinac for a summer vacation when I was a teenager and have been there since for a couple of weeks and yes the police ride bikes or ho res. the local government of the island have pasted or dances forbidding autos. "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: "The Europeans"? There are people from other countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the corner store to pick up milk! (There is an equestrian unit of the police department) I would think that using a horse for transportation is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is (generally) no vet on the island. If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or encouraging the use of horses are based on the effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a small island, then I can understand, in theory, why you would suggest local governments make difficult or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not practical however. Imagine if the government of your city or any city in the USA restricted the use of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be hundreds of thousands turning out in protest.......but then the car companies, gas companies and lobby groups would never let such restrictions happen. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM To: thesaints Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on the island that is why there are no horses. Horses are not part of the culture of the current Saints. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050113/086423ef/attachment-0001.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Thu Jan 13 20:37:32 2005 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Thu Jan 13 20:37:40 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050113193732.57784.qmail@web54501.mail.yahoo.com> As a social worker I am familar with many social programs and services. As far as I know, there are programs that will offer low income residents in certain states low interest loans for vehicles but I do not know of any program that will purchase and maintain a vehicle. --- "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: > Yes that's right the island is a British dependent. > I know of no situation or circumstance under which > any of that aid would go towards buying or > maintaining personal automobiles. I apologise. I > suppose I don't quite understand your comment. Does > the American goverment, which also "aids" it > citizens through social programs, buy or maintain > personal automobiles for said citizens? > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of > Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:32 AM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans > > > Yes it does but thats only in the summer for about > 3-4 months there are a lot of people who live there > year round. Sorry but I just read that the island > relays heavily on aid from England if I was a tax > payer I would hope none of my taxes went toward > helping someone buy and maintain a auto. > > "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: > > I'm not saying there is no place in the world or the > US where motor vehicles are forbidden. Makinac > Island caters to tourists and is a very different > place than St. Helena. St. Helena is 47 square > miles of very steep, hilly terrain. Banning cars on > the island would be completely impractical. I'll > reiterate that I agree with you in terms of ideals > in this regard. I would like to see less cars on > St. Helena. I would love to see St. Helena frozen in > time the way it was when I was a child- no > television, no internet, few cars and donkeys loaded > down with grass or wood on the country roads. > Unfortunately this would neither work, nor be fair > to the Saints, who still have to live and make a > living there. I say "no internet" only because of > the negative things that one can find or be exposed > to there. On the other hand the internet and email > has made communicating with St. Helena easier and > cheaper. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of > Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:31 AM > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South > Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: RE: [STHELENA] no more Europeans > > > I can see the way your talking you've never been to > the Midwest they have a very popular island called > Mackinac no automobiles or trucks just ho res and > bikes as a matter of fact there's a couple other > ones also. I've stayed on Mackinac for a summer > vacation when I was a teenager and have been there > since for a couple of weeks and yes the police ride > bikes or ho res. the local government of the island > have pasted or dances forbidding autos. > > "Tessa M. Hughley" wrote: > > "The Europeans"? There are people from other > countries on St. Helena. You're right....horses are > not a part of the culture of St. Helena in the same > way that no one in the beautiful city of Portland > (where I live) rides a horse to work, or to the > corner store to pick up milk! (There is an > equestrian unit of the police department) > > I would think that using a horse for transportation > is "part of the culture" in few places in the modern > world. Horses are expensive, to buy and to care > for, food, veterinary care, etc. and there is > (generally) no vet on the island. > > If your ideas for restricting the use of cars and/or > encouraging the use of horses are based on the > effects of motorvehicles on the environment of a > small island, then I can understand, in theory, why > you would suggest local governments make difficult > or restrict use of motor vehicles. It is not > practical however. Imagine if the government of > your city or any city in the USA restricted the use > of motor vehicles. I imagine there would be > hundreds of thousands turning out in > protest.......but then the car companies, gas > companies and lobby groups would never let such > restrictions happen. > > -----Original Message----- > From: list-bounces@sthelena.se > [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of > Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1 > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:30 AM > To: thesaints > Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans > > > I was told that since the Europeans are no longer on > the island that is why there are no horses. Horses > are not part of the culture of the current Saints. > > > > > > SEMPER FI > Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine > Amphibious Brigade > Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired > http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html > > > > > > _____ > > Post your free ad now! > Yahoo! Canada > Personals > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > > > SEMPER FI > Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine > Amphibious Brigade > Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired > http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html > > > > > > _____ > > Post your free ad now! > Yahoo! Canada > Personals > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > > > > > SEMPER FI > Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine > Amphibious Brigade > Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired > http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html > > > > > > _____ > > Post your free ad now! > Yahoo! Canada > Personals > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From SimpsonCaz at aol.com Fri Jan 14 16:52:51 2005 From: SimpsonCaz at aol.com (SimpsonCaz@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 14 16:53:23 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: hello, I have for many years been interested in visiting ST. Helena and never got round to doing it. I first herd about your island when serving with the RAF (royal air Force) in the Falklands and most of the local workforce was from ST. Helena the lady who worked with me at the time (sorry but i cant remember her name) but we used to talk about ST. Helena a lot and i always had in the back of my mind i would like to visit. is there any other web sights i could view or find any more information of this very interesting but remote island and perhaps plan a trip in 2005 many thanks Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050114/8969e13e/attachment.htm From SimpsonCaz at aol.com Fri Jan 14 16:58:37 2005 From: SimpsonCaz at aol.com (SimpsonCaz@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 14 16:58:53 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) Message-ID: <9a.1dd64b6e.2f19462d@aol.com> hello, ?????????? I have for many years been interested in visiting ST. Helena and never got round to doing it. I first herd about your island when serving with the RAF (royal air Force) in the Falklands and most of the local workforce was from ST. Helena the lady who worked with me at the time (sorry but i cant remember her name) but we used to talk about ST. Helena a lot and i always had in the back of my mind i would like to visit. is there any other web sights i could view or find any more information of this very interesting but remote island and perhaps plan a trip in 2005 many thanks ???????????????????????????????????????????? Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050114/be3bb015/attachment.htm From john.turner at sainthelenabank.com Fri Jan 14 18:02:23 2005 From: john.turner at sainthelenabank.com (john.turner@sainthelenabank.com) Date: Fri Jan 14 18:02:23 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050114170352.4E66527829F@server30.ukservers.net> The tourist office website at http://www.sthelenatourism.com/ will be most helpful. You could also consult the RMS St. Helena site at http://www.rms-st-helena.com/ for details of cruises including St. Helena. John Turner Bank of St. Helena (www.SaintHelenaBank.co.sh ) Notice to Recipients This e-mail is meant for only the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. If you received this e-mail in error, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited _____ From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of SimpsonCaz@aol.com Sent: 14 January 2005 15:53 To: list@sthelena.se Subject: [STHELENA] (no subject) hello, I have for many years been interested in visiting ST. Helena and never got round to doing it. I first herd about your island when serving with the RAF (royal air Force) in the Falklands and most of the local workforce was from ST. Helena the lady who worked with me at the time (sorry but i cant remember her name) but we used to talk about ST. Helena a lot and i always had in the back of my mind i would like to visit. is there any other web sights i could view or find any more information of this very interesting but remote island and perhaps plan a trip in 2005 many thanks Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050114/01b85347/attachment.htm From imann at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 19 16:54:41 2005 From: imann at rocketmail.com (Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC 3/1) Date: Wed Jan 19 16:54:52 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans In-Reply-To: <12f.54755448.2f16d935@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050119155441.25804.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> Where I live local governments tax the property owners for the money needed for a airport.Would the saints be willing to foot the bill for this? One of the first things I noticed about that island when I went to there web page is they don't have any good beaches to draw people there to take vacations. Hdchucker@aol.com wrote: As best I understand it, the people of St. Helena are not having an easy time of it; and, a lot of it comes from being a forgotten, and often mistreated, stepchild of Great Britain. St. Helena needs to have all the publicity it can get in order to make the world understand its situation. To deny them anything along these lines would hinder them in this effort. In this way, the Internet can be very beneficial to them. It would appear that it is almost as difficult to get to St. Helena today, as it was back in 1816, and that doesn't help them. A more active tourism would help them economically, and the fact that the island has some very unique and beautiful things going for it could make it a very attractive tourist destination. To want St. Helena to remain as it was in yesteryear would make it picturesque and quaint, but it might not be the best idea for the people who have to live there. I am sure it could be worked out to where the 'place in time' could be secured and the islanders could have their cake to eat. An airport above Jamestown and a settlement there, with accommodations, might help them a great deal. More people going there would also let their problems be known. As it is, few ever give St. Helena a thought. More about St. Helena needs to be known besides the historical fact that Napoleon Bonaparte died in exile there on May 05, 1821. Chuk The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050119/94953b5c/attachment.htm From Larry.Klem at Andrew.com Wed Jan 19 21:50:39 2005 From: Larry.Klem at Andrew.com (Klem, Larry) Date: Wed Jan 19 23:44:23 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: Actually the federal government supplies most funds for building airports- so you don't even have to be a property owner to contribute just a taxpayer. Once up and running the airlines pay a landing fee and pay rent of offset operating cost. Just found out about a lot of this as Dallas/Ft. Worth airport is waiving all kinds of fees to lure more airline companies to the area. klemit -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:55 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Where I live local governments tax the property owners for the money needed for a airport.Would the saints be willing to foot the bill for this? One of the first things I noticed about that island when I went to there web page is they don't have any good beaches to draw people there to take vacations. Hdchucker@aol.com wrote: As best I understand it, the people of St. Helena are not having an easy time of it; and, a lot of it comes from being a forgotten, and often mistreated, stepchild of Great Britain. St. Helena needs to have all the publicity it can get in order to make the world understand its situation. To deny them anything along these lines would hinder them in this effort. In this way, the Internet can be very beneficial to them. It would appear that it is almost as difficult to get to St. Helena today, as it was back in 1816, and that doesn't help them. A more active tourism would help them economically, and the fact that the island has some very unique and beautiful things going for it could make it a very attractive tourist destination. To want St. Helena to remain as it was in yesterye! ar would make it picturesque and quaint, but it might not be the best idea for the people who have to live there. I am sure it could be worked out to where the 'place in time' could be secured and the islanders could have their cake to eat. An airport above Jamestown and a settlement there, with accommodations, might help them a great deal. More people going there would also let their problems be known. As it is, few ever give St. Helena a thought. More about St. Helena needs to be known besides the historical fact that Napoleon Bonaparte died in exile there on May 05, 1821. Chuk The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. SEMPER FI Co. L 3rd Balattalion, 1st Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade Sergeant Ivan Mann USMC Retired http://ca.geocities.com/imann.rm/index.html _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of this email is prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [mf2] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050119/034866a9/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Jan 20 03:41:52 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 20 03:42:06 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: <1d6.34ad0bda.2f207470@aol.com> It seems to me that they do indeed have a few beaches, but without going to a lot of research I can't really verify that. I am sure others could speak to that. But it seems that there are a few, although their easy access might be something that might require some creativity with. But, where there is a will there is a will. Hotel on top of the bluff with an elevator down to the beach? My view is that there are some very beautiful and interesting areas on the island that could be promoted. It seems to me that if you had the good salesperson to promote the island you could influence some investors into providing the airport and hotel facilities up above Jamestown, and there are some things that could be done in Jamestown that would likely help the residents there. I also believe that a well produced movie could be made of the years Napoleon spent there. I am talking about this move being produced there on site. Longwood and all the other places of interest could be shown and that could create a great deal of interest in the island. I saw a film many years ago that was acted out by only one person, who played all the parts. The film crew had access to Longwood and the other areas of interest. It was well done, but it certainly was very small in scale. It was on PBS, about 20 years ago. Wish I had recorded it. The island I saw in the presentation was enchanting. Even though the little corporal screamed bloody murder, the country was not anywhere as bad as he attempted to paint it. I have studied that era of his history and found it extremely interesting and full of drama. Napoleon and Hudson Lowe, along with all the things that Napoleon did to infuriate Hudson Lowe would make great drama and could be quite humorous also, if done right. Napoleon's death and funeral, and what Hudson Lowe did thinking he was going to have a landfall with Napoleons effects after his death could also be very interesting. Hudson Lowe tried his best to "capture" Napoleon's stuff, but in the end he struck out and another got them. I would really love to go to St. Helena. For me to do that it would have to be made a great deal easier than it is now. Some of the photographs I have seen of the place are absolutely beautiful, and the island is absolutely unique. I think it is a great place and a place that has a lot going for it. I am a bit surprised that the French have not tried to develop something of an airport. Any kind of an airport would be better than what they have now. A small airstrip would be a start. Its isolation even has some mystic to it. However, anything that is done along this line I feel must have a great deal of input from the islanders themselves. As with people who absolutely enjoy out of the way mountain communities, there are some who do not want anything changed. As I understand it, the average St. Helena Islander has a rather tough time with their existence. Can't help that a little money coming in from tourism would not hurt. And that does not mean that you need a million or so tourists coming there every month; just enough to give a good shot in the arm. Just a thought Chuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050119/1058f956/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Thu Jan 20 05:29:19 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Thu Jan 20 05:29:32 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans References: <1d6.34ad0bda.2f207470@aol.com> Message-ID: <03ca01c4fea8$9c04fd30$0100000a@PRAXIS> It seems necessary to correct a couple of misconceptions in this email! First, the island is not French, as you appear to assume,but a British colony. The French therefore have no responsibility for it's development. The British, having failed to deny the natural citizenship of the Saints, now seem determined to squeeze it to economic death. Second, the topography of the island is such that the only feasible place for an airport is at Prosperous Bay plain. Have a look at http://www.sthelena.se/tour/index.htm, and http://www.sthelenatourism.com which will give you an idea of the place. Third, there are only a few places where access to the shoreline is feasible: Jamestown, Rupert's Bay, Lemon Valley (by boat) and Sandy Bay are the easiest. Other places require either long and sometimes difficulty walks,or can only be got to from the sea. And,when you do get to these places, the sand is black! That's because St. Helena is a remnant of a large volcano, and the beaches are formed of degraded lava rock. Fourth, transport. With only one exception, the roads on the island have stayed pretty much the same since 1969, when I left. A look at a map showing them demonstrates that they mainly circle the interior, at an elevation on average of 1600 feet. Apart from Jamestown, Sandy Bay, and Rupert's Bay, there are no coastal areas accessible by vehicle. Fifth, suitability of construction sites. As much of the island is very steep, there are few places where large building complexes could be sited. Again, Prosperous Bay, Deadwood, Longwood are about the only suitable areas. The level(ish) ground at Half-Tree Hollow is already heavily populated. Any hotel development will have to provide all of it's infrastructure, including road access, sewerage, garbage disposal, electricity and water supply,unless it is built close to existing utilities. Other points you raise are worth commenting on. I have seen several films, both on TV and on DVD, which have related the story of Napoleon - most of them have been abysmally inaccurate in their depiction of the place and the principal players. The French always make Napoleon the hero, and Hudson Lowe the villain, which is of course perfectly understandable, as this is the impression conveyed by the memoirs of those who accompanied Napoleon to the island (Las Cases, Bertrand, Gourgaud, inter alia). These attitudes are also picked up and repeated by other authors who use these works as sources. A better production was shown on TV here in Australia quite recently, with a far more accurate depiction of the island, at least, including some footage actually shot there (rather than in Corsica, which is commonly used, and is quite wrong). Getting to the island is not easy - if it were I would have been back many times! Discussions are ongoing about an air link and tourism complex, but the wishes of the Islanders are paramount in this regard. While it would be very beneficial to have easier travel, there are some drawbacks too. Have a look at http://www.shelco.sh/consortium.asp which is the latest proposal of which I am aware for an air link. When I arrived on St. Helena in 1967, a valuable source of income was the frequent calls by the mail-ships of the Union-Castle Line, which ran a regular service between Cape Town and Southampton. backed up by quarterly cargo vessels for the main supply opportunity. These were abandoned in August of 1967, and replaced by the two vessels RMS Good Hope Castle and Southampton Castle, which gave a three-week service, on average. However, their cargo capacity was limited, and they carried far fewer passengers - a dozen or so rather than hundreds. Then after that again, the two RMS vessels were replaced by the one vessel, the RMS St. Helena,which, good as it may be, is still very limiting. If only the sea route between Africa and either Europe or the Americas became as busy as it once was, the island could look forward to being a popular stop again. Unlikely, IMHO. Hope that this helps, John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] no more Europeans > It seems to me that they do indeed have a few beaches, but without going > to a > lot of research I can't really verify that. I am sure others could speak > to > that. But it seems that there are a few, although their easy access might > be > something that might require some creativity with. But, where there is a > will > there is a will. Hotel on top of the bluff with an elevator down to the > beach? > > My view is that there are some very beautiful and interesting areas on the > island that could be promoted. It seems to me that if you had the good > salesperson to promote the island you could influence some investors into > providing > the airport and hotel facilities up above Jamestown, and there are some > things > that could be done in Jamestown that would likely help the residents > there. > > I also believe that a well produced movie could be made of the years > Napoleon > spent there. I am talking about this move being produced there on site. > Longwood and all the other places of interest could be shown and that > could > create a great deal of interest in the island. I saw a film many years > ago that > was acted out by only one person, who played all the parts. The film crew > had > access to Longwood and the other areas of interest. It was well done, but > it > certainly was very small in scale. It was on PBS, about 20 years ago. > Wish I > had recorded it. The island I saw in the presentation was enchanting. > > Even though the little corporal screamed bloody murder, the country was > not > anywhere as bad as he attempted to paint it. I have studied that era of > his > history and found it extremely interesting and full of drama. Napoleon > and > Hudson Lowe, along with all the things that Napoleon did to infuriate > Hudson Lowe > would make great drama and could be quite humorous also, if done right. > Napoleon's death and funeral, and what Hudson Lowe did thinking he was > going to > have a landfall with Napoleons effects after his death could also be very > interesting. Hudson Lowe tried his best to "capture" Napoleon's stuff, > but in the > end he struck out and another got them. > > I would really love to go to St. Helena. For me to do that it would have > to > be made a great deal easier than it is now. Some of the photographs I > have > seen of the place are absolutely beautiful, and the island is absolutely > unique. > I think it is a great place and a place that has a lot going for it. I am > a > bit surprised that the French have not tried to develop something of an > airport. Any kind of an airport would be better than what they have now. > A small > airstrip would be a start. Its isolation even has some mystic to it. > > However, anything that is done along this line I feel must have a great > deal > of input from the islanders themselves. As with people who absolutely > enjoy > out of the way mountain communities, there are some who do not want > anything > changed. As I understand it, the average St. Helena Islander has a rather > tough > time with their existence. Can't help that a little money coming in from > tourism would not hurt. And that does not mean that you need a million or > so > tourists coming there every month; just enough to give a good shot in the > arm. > > Just a thought > > Chuk > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Thu Jan 20 17:14:24 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Thu Jan 20 17:14:53 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans References: <1d6.34ad0bda.2f207470@aol.com> Message-ID: <009f01c4ff0b$1b859940$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> >I am a bit surprised that the French have not tried to develop something of an airport. Any kind of an airport would be >better than what they have now. A small airstrip would be a start. Its isolation even has some mystic to it. Hi, Sorry to sound rude but Saint Helena is actually the forgotton (by the British Government at least) island in the South Atlantic that is British, so I am not sure what you mean by the French developing an airport there I agree that any kind of airport, even a small airstrip would be a definate plus for the isalnd, providing the islanders want it. But the other problem surrounds the distance that an aircraft has to travel in order to be able to use it. The nearest land mass is Nigeria which I believe to be about 1200 miles away. That means any aircraft that operates to the Island must be able to carry enough fuel for a round trip of approx 3000 miles (allowing 25% spare fuel capacity for emergencies like forgetting to bribe the air traffic control in Lagos to be able to land) However, if anyone fancies a laugh at my expense, here is an idea I got whilst watching a documentry on TV the other night. Why not try flying boat planes? See http://www.seawings.co.uk/images/photogallery/beriev1.jpeg for what I am refering to. At least this would resolve the problem of an airstrip. I have no idea about how feasible this idea would be with regards to their range and operating restrictions etc, but it's an idea Regards Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] no more Europeans It seems to me that they do indeed have a few beaches, but without going to a lot of research I can't really verify that. I am sure others could speak to that. But it seems that there are a few, although their easy access might be something that might require some creativity with. But, where there is a will there is a will. Hotel on top of the bluff with an elevator down to the beach? My view is that there are some very beautiful and interesting areas on the island that could be promoted. It seems to me that if you had the good salesperson to promote the island you could influence some investors into providing the airport and hotel facilities up above Jamestown, and there are some things that could be done in Jamestown that would likely help the residents there. I also believe that a well produced movie could be made of the years Napoleon spent there. I am talking about this move being produced there on site. Longwood and all the other places of interest could be shown and that could create a great deal of interest in the island. I saw a film many years ago that was acted out by only one person, who played all the parts. The film crew had access to Longwood and the other areas of interest. It was well done, but it certainly was very small in scale. It was on PBS, about 20 years ago. Wish I had recorded it. The island I saw in the presentation was enchanting. Even though the little corporal screamed bloody murder, the country was not anywhere as bad as he attempted to paint it. I have studied that era of his history and found it extremely interesting and full of drama. Napoleon and Hudson Lowe, along with all the things that Napoleon did to infuriate Hudson Lowe would make great drama and could be quite humorous also, if done right. Napoleon's death and funeral, and what Hudson Lowe did thinking he was going to have a landfall with Napoleons effects after his death could also be very interesting. Hudson Lowe tried his best to "capture" Napoleon's stuff, but in the end he struck out and another got them. I would really love to go to St. Helena. For me to do that it would have to be made a great deal easier than it is now. Some of the photographs I have seen of the place are absolutely beautiful, and the island is absolutely unique. I think it is a great place and a place that has a lot going for it. I am a bit surprised that the French have not tried to develop something of an airport. Any kind of an airport would be better than what they have now. A small airstrip would be a start. Its isolation even has some mystic to it. However, anything that is done along this line I feel must have a great deal of input from the islanders themselves. As with people who absolutely enjoy out of the way mountain communities, there are some who do not want anything changed. As I understand it, the average St. Helena Islander has a rather tough time with their existence. Can't help that a little money coming in from tourism would not hurt. And that does not mean that you need a million or so tourists coming there every month; just enough to give a good shot in the arm. Just a thought Chuk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050120/9653d4d9/attachment.htm From alan_drake at juno.com Thu Jan 20 18:23:23 2005 From: alan_drake at juno.com (alan_drake@juno.com) Date: Thu Jan 20 18:24:41 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Flying Boats Message-ID: <20050120.092400.7226.15676@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> Flying Boats require a sheltered harbor, which St. Helena lacks. They can land on calm seas, but that has to be certain before they takeoff. And then wait for calm seas to return. There a very few models of a/c that moght be suitable and the costs of a ticket would be quite high even if a small harbor were built. A valley might be dammed and an inland "landing strip" created, but a source of fresh water is lacking. Sorry, Alan From islandman at haystack-group.com Thu Jan 20 18:32:14 2005 From: islandman at haystack-group.com (The Haystack Group, Inc.) Date: Thu Jan 20 18:32:15 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans References: <1d6.34ad0bda.2f207470@aol.com> <009f01c4ff0b$1b859940$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> Message-ID: <008201c4ff15$fb828e90$2f01a8c0@THREEHILLSFARM> The nearest land mass to St. Helena is not Nigeria but Ascension Island, where I believe most medical emergencies that can't be addressed on St. Helena end up going. Ascension is about 700 miles from St. Helena. Don't hold your breath there's going to be an airport on St. Helena any time soon. They've been beating that dead horse for many, many years. Regards, John * * * * * John A Gasbarre Three Hills Farm Union, Maine USA organic@threehillsfarm.com 44? 15' 47" N / 69? 18' 42" W ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] no more Europeans >I am a bit surprised that the French have not tried to develop something of an airport. Any kind of an airport would be >better than what they have now. A small airstrip would be a start. Its isolation even has some mystic to it. Hi, Sorry to sound rude but Saint Helena is actually the forgotton (by the British Government at least) island in the South Atlantic that is British, so I am not sure what you mean by the French developing an airport there I agree that any kind of airport, even a small airstrip would be a definate plus for the isalnd, providing the islanders want it. But the other problem surrounds the distance that an aircraft has to travel in order to be able to use it. The nearest land mass is Nigeria which I believe to be about 1200 miles away. That means any aircraft that operates to the Island must be able to carry enough fuel for a round trip of approx 3000 miles (allowing 25% spare fuel capacity for emergencies like forgetting to bribe the air traffic control in Lagos to be able to land) However, if anyone fancies a laugh at my expense, here is an idea I got whilst watching a documentry on TV the other night. Why not try flying boat planes? See http://www.seawings.co.uk/images/photogallery/beriev1.jpeg for what I am refering to. At least this would resolve the problem of an airstrip. I have no idea about how feasible this idea would be with regards to their range and operating restrictions etc, but it's an idea Regards Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] no more Europeans It seems to me that they do indeed have a few beaches, but without going to a lot of research I can't really verify that. I am sure others could speak to that. But it seems that there are a few, although their easy access might be something that might require some creativity with. But, where there is a will there is a will. Hotel on top of the bluff with an elevator down to the beach? My view is that there are some very beautiful and interesting areas on the island that could be promoted. It seems to me that if you had the good salesperson to promote the island you could influence some investors into providing the airport and hotel facilities up above Jamestown, and there are some things that could be done in Jamestown that would likely help the residents there. I also believe that a well produced movie could be made of the years Napoleon spent there. I am talking about this move being produced there on site. Longwood and all the other places of interest could be shown and that could create a great deal of interest in the island. I saw a film many years ago that was acted out by only one person, who played all the parts. The film crew had access to Longwood and the other areas of interest. It was well done, but it certainly was very small in scale. It was on PBS, about 20 years ago. Wish I had recorded it. The island I saw in the presentation was enchanting. Even though the little corporal screamed bloody murder, the country was not anywhere as bad as he attempted to paint it. I have studied that era of his history and found it extremely interesting and full of drama. Napoleon and Hudson Lowe, along with all the things that Napoleon did to infuriate Hudson Lowe would make great drama and could be quite humorous also, if done right. Napoleon's death and funeral, and what Hudson Lowe did thinking he was going to have a landfall with Napoleons effects after his death could also be very interesting. Hudson Lowe tried his best to "capture" Napoleon's stuff, but in the end he struck out and another got them. I would really love to go to St. Helena. For me to do that it would have to be made a great deal easier than it is now. Some of the photographs I have seen of the place are absolutely beautiful, and the island is absolutely unique. I think it is a great place and a place that has a lot going for it. I am a bit surprised that the French have not tried to develop something of an airport. Any kind of an airport would be better than what they have now. A small airstrip would be a start. Its isolation even has some mystic to it. However, anything that is done along this line I feel must have a great deal of input from the islanders themselves. As with people who absolutely enjoy out of the way mountain communities, there are some who do not want anything changed. As I understand it, the average St. Helena Islander has a rather tough time with their existence. Can't help that a little money coming in from tourism would not hurt. And that does not mean that you need a million or so tourists coming there every month; just enough to give a good shot in the arm. Just a thought Chuk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050120/757b0603/attachment-0001.htm From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Thu Jan 20 19:25:31 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Thu Jan 20 19:25:43 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: The nearest land is Ascension Island. Medical emergencies end up going to either Ascension (and then on to the UK) or to Capetown, depending on the ship's schedule. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of The Haystack Group, Inc. Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:32 AM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] no more Europeans The nearest land mass to St. Helena is not Nigeria but Ascension Island, where I believe most medical emergencies that can't be addressed on St. Helena end up going. Ascension is about 700 miles from St. Helena. Don't hold your breath there's going to be an airport on St. Helena any time soon. They've been beating that dead horse for many, many years. Regards, John * * * * * John A Gasbarre Three Hills Farm Union, Maine USA organic@threehillsfarm.com 44? 15' 47" N / 69? 18' 42" W ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] no more Europeans >I am a bit surprised that the French have not tried to develop something of an airport. Any kind of an airport would be >better than what they have now. A small airstrip would be a start. Its isolation even has some mystic to it. Hi, Sorry to sound rude but Saint Helena is actually the forgotton (by the British Government at least) island in the South Atlantic that is British, so I am not sure what you mean by the French developing an airport there I agree that any kind of airport, even a small airstrip would be a definate plus for the isalnd, providing the islanders want it. But the other problem surrounds the distance that an aircraft has to travel in order to be able to use it. The nearest land mass is Nigeria which I believe to be about 1200 miles away. That means any aircraft that operates to the Island must be able to carry enough fuel for a round trip of approx 3000 miles (allowing 25% spare fuel capacity for emergencies like forgetting to bribe the air traffic control in Lagos to be able to land) However, if anyone fancies a laugh at my expense, here is an idea I got whilst watching a documentry on TV the other night. Why not try flying boat planes? See http://www.seawings.co.uk/images/photogallery/beriev1.jpeg for what I am refering to. At least this would resolve the problem of an airstrip. I have no idea about how feasible this idea would be with regards to their range and operating restrictions etc, but it's an idea Regards Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdchucker@aol.com To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] no more Europeans It seems to me that they do indeed have a few beaches, but without going to a lot of research I can't really verify that. I am sure others could speak to that. But it seems that there are a few, although their easy access might be something that might require some creativity with. But, where there is a will there is a will. Hotel on top of the bluff with an elevator down to the beach? My view is that there are some very beautiful and interesting areas on the island that could be promoted. It seems to me that if you had the good salesperson to promote the island you could influence some investors into providing the airport and hotel facilities up above Jamestown, and there are some things that could be done in Jamestown that would likely help the residents there. I also believe that a well produced movie could be made of the years Napoleon spent there. I am talking about this move being produced there on site. Longwood and all the other places of interest could be shown and that could create a great deal of interest in the island. I saw a film many years ago that was acted out by only one person, who played all the parts. The film crew had access to Longwood and the other areas of interest. It was well done, but it certainly was very small in scale. It was on PBS, about 20 years ago. Wish I had recorded it. The island I saw in the presentation was enchanting. Even though the little corporal screamed bloody murder, the country was not anywhere as bad as he attempted to paint it. I have studied that era of his history and found it extremely interesting and full of drama. Napoleon and Hudson Lowe, along with all the things that Napoleon did to infuriate Hudson Lowe would make great drama and could be quite humorous also, if done right. Napoleon's death and funeral, and what Hudson Lowe did thinking he was going to have a landfall with Napoleons effects after his death could also be very interesting. Hudson Lowe tried his best to "capture" Napoleon's stuff, but in the end he struck out and another got them. I would really love to go to St. Helena. For me to do that it would have to be made a great deal easier than it is now. Some of the photographs I have seen of the place are absolutely beautiful, and the island is absolutely unique. I think it is a great place and a place that has a lot going for it. I am a bit surprised that the French have not tried to develop something of an airport. Any kind of an airport would be better than what they have now. A small airstrip would be a start. Its isolation even has some mystic to it. However, anything that is done along this line I feel must have a great deal of input from the islanders themselves. As with people who absolutely enjoy out of the way mountain communities, there are some who do not want anything changed. As I understand it, the average St. Helena Islander has a rather tough time with their existence. Can't help that a little money coming in from tourism would not hurt. And that does not mean that you need a million or so tourists coming there every month; just enough to give a good shot in the arm. Just a thought Chuk _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. _____ Block Spam Emails - Click here! _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050120/cfce009e/attachment.htm From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Fri Jan 21 13:11:29 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Fri Jan 21 13:14:46 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists Message-ID: <7B8F4A71DA1E8C4093009BA93C96EEEF020A7E96@rshq-sr1-m06m> Having finally, I hope, organised a connection to the input side of the St Helena lists there are some past discussions I would like to make a contribtion to. Buying Property and Mortgages Ivan Mann is basically right. First, remember the island is only one third the size of the Isle of Wight. There are a small number of landowners who, together with the government, own most of the best arable and pastoral land. There are also many small holdings. The owners of these holdings normally keep the land they own for the benefit of future generations of their families. There are no estate agents and anyone from overseas intending to stay permanently or semi-permanently on the island is expected to be financially self-sufficient. So, no estate agents and no mortgages. The Bank of St Helena provides loans for islanders who want to build their own home but I doubt if this facility would be offered to someone who does not have residential status. The best way is to rent a property on a longish lease or rent one of the self catering flats or houses. There are Web pages or links on most of the St Helena websites covering accommodation. Changing Money John Turner will not like me saying this but UK pounds are accepted in most if not all shops etc. Commission is payable on UK pounds changed to island notes. If you want to make friends on the island you will exchange your UK pounds with a St Helenian who is booked on the next sailing off the island. Horses There is currently no demand for horses, either as working animals or used commercially for recreational pursuits. Donkeys were also used by most people but they have declined to about a dozen kept in a sanctuary, with maybe one or two still used by individuals as working animals. There is potential for recreational use of horses if the airport is built, an airline operates successfully from it and visitors to the island increase in number. A report from the UK government giving the decision on future transport facilities for the island is overdue. It was expected at the end of last year. Walking and Riding [and photography] St Helena is a walkers paradise. Imagine the Scottish western highlands compressed [take this almost literally] into an area of 4 square miles. That is roughly what you get in St Helena. Never ending ridges and guts and ever changing and dramatic views. Walks can vary on the effort scale from fairly easy to very tough. The constant ups and downs and ever winding paths mean it takes longer than anticipated to get from A to B but the journey is always worth it. Finally, you could walk every day for a month on St Helena and there would still be beautiful valleys and plains you have not seen. UK administration of the island Throughout the island's history the fortunes of the islanders in their day to day existence has depended on the personal attributions and competence of key individuals. In the East India Company days the governor could make life on the island either attractive or hell on earth. In recent years, Thatcher was and remains very unpopular. Claire Short's time at the Department for International Development gave St Helenians hope for the future. The recently departed governor was one of the most popular in recent years while the incoming governor is entirely different and is looked to by many of the islanders to advance their hopes for the future. A recent contribution suggested the UK government has treated the islanders badly. This I think is an overstatement. There have been periods of inexcusable neglect but most of the complaints from today's islanders are centred on the usual slowness and lack of attention to detail which is common to every government. For instance, there is a continual procession of 'experts' who visit the island to inspect, check and recommend on any and all aspects and subjects of island life. The effect all these experts have on tangible improvements to island life is difficult to identify. Sometimes the recommendations are seen as misplaced because the expert has not made the effort to transpose his or herself from a western industrialised society to a small remote rural society. On the other hand, the expense attached to providing services or investment to a small remote community is often not sustainable. The current hope is to make low volume/high value tourism successful on the back of an airport and - more crucially - a successful airline operating from it. If successful, many smaller businesses could be developed to service the tourists. There are many St Helenians who have clear plans about how to get a small business going once the tourists start to arrive. Vince Thompson The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050121/246e6823/attachment.htm From bob at eastcaribbean.com Fri Jan 21 14:31:49 2005 From: bob at eastcaribbean.com (Bob Conrich) Date: Fri Jan 21 14:32:01 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists In-Reply-To: <7B8F4A71DA1E8C4093009BA93C96EEEF020A7E96@rshq-sr1-m06m> References: <7B8F4A71DA1E8C4093009BA93C96EEEF020A7E96@rshq-sr1-m06m> Message-ID: <41F10445.9030309@eastcaribbean.com> Vince, some person of great good humour and considerable imagination has included the following in a message in which he pretends to be you. Having read your frequent letters in the St. Helena Herald, I know you to be a person of good judgement, and am certain these words are not your own. Best wishes, Bob Conrich Anguilla British West Indies Thompson Vince wrote: > The recently departed governor was > one of the most popular in recent years... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/2005 From rmcaughm at lex5.k12.sc.us Fri Jan 21 16:47:16 2005 From: rmcaughm at lex5.k12.sc.us (Roddey Caughman) Date: Fri Jan 21 16:47:57 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Special Education on the island Message-ID: Greetings, all. I work with deaf students as an interpreter in the public school system in my area. I would like to know what provisions are made on St. Helena for deaf children, as well as for other disabled students. Thanks! Roddey From Hdchucker at aol.com Fri Jan 21 21:26:56 2005 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 21 21:27:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] no more Europeans Message-ID: <103.594cc25f.2f22bf90@aol.com> I am aware that it is a British colony. And in my opinion that has been the biggest problem. Unless, I am mistaken Longwood has been ceded to the French. As with other British colonies, things have been done to promote things regardless of ownership. Why Britain even cares about poor St. Helena somewhat escapes me. As it now stands how, what does St. Helena produce that makes it worth Great Britain to bother with it. Hong Kong got to be what it became while being a British colony, not after it was ceded back to China. It would seem from your email response that it is your opinion that nothing can be done. I believe that there is something that can always be done. You just need people with enough vision to be able to make lemonade out of the lemons. A paradigm needs to be broken. Switzerland refused to see the advantage to the quartz movement watch. They had the rug pulled out from under them. The quartz movement was first produced in Switzerland but the all-knowing Swiss watch makers refused to consider it. The movement was taken by other Swiss to other parts of the world and suddenly the Swiss were pretty much making only the Rolex type watch. I still say that St. Helena is a beautiful place that has things that would appeal to a great many people if they were developed, and things were done to make people able to go there. In Japan they created an airport out in the ocean. Move enough land around and you can do anything, even build a decent airport on St. Helena. Also, let me ask this: would not Great Britain be interested in St. Helena becoming a money-making concern? Money for the crown? I also say that someday it is going to happen. Someday someone is going to see the opportunity and have the where-with-all to invest in it. I see St. Helena as completely unique and will have its day. Someday, something will be done to change the paradigm. Chuk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Someday, some billionaire is going to be looking for an investment. With everybody in the present paradigm, he will easily be able to buy the land, build the hotel, and his airport. Then he will sell what so many don't seem to notice. St. Helena is a beautiful place. Great Britain will decide that the island is worth investing some time in, when it means that Great Britain will prosper as a result. St. Helena, to Great Britain, has been an albatross around their necks. Once the Napoleon situation solved itself, they didn't have much use for the island. No place for Great Britain to invest in, but that didn't mean they were going to simply give it away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050121/c79603fd/attachment.htm From jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 21 14:39:50 2005 From: jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk (Jeff@tiscali) Date: Sat Jan 22 12:00:50 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists References: <7B8F4A71DA1E8C4093009BA93C96EEEF020A7E96@rshq-sr1-m06m> Message-ID: <001801c4ffbe$ae30f650$0200a8c0@ELISE> A mop up on comments in past listsWith respect to the airport... I have a very good friend on the island who has said on a number of occasions " I don't see an airport here in my lifetime" Let's hope and pray for the islanders sake that she is wrong. What can we do as a group to load pressure on the UK government? Regards Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Thompson Vince To: list@sthelena.se Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists Having finally, I hope, organised a connection to the input side of the St Helena lists there are some past discussions I would like to make a contribtion to. Buying Property and Mortgages Ivan Mann is basically right. First, remember the island is only one third the size of the Isle of Wight. There are a small number of landowners who, together with the government, own most of the best arable and pastoral land. There are also many small holdings. The owners of these holdings normally keep the land they own for the benefit of future generations of their families. There are no estate agents and anyone from overseas intending to stay permanently or semi-permanently on the island is expected to be financially self-sufficient. So, no estate agents and no mortgages. The Bank of St Helena provides loans for islanders who want to build their own home but I doubt if this facility would be offered to someone who does not have residential status. The best way is to rent a property on a longish lease or rent one of the self catering flats or houses. There are Web pages or links on most of the St Helena websites covering accommodation. Changing Money John Turner will not like me saying this but UK pounds are accepted in most if not all shops etc. Commission is payable on UK pounds changed to island notes. If you want to make friends on the island you will exchange your UK pounds with a St Helenian who is booked on the next sailing off the island. Horses There is currently no demand for horses, either as working animals or used commercially for recreational pursuits. Donkeys were also used by most people but they have declined to about a dozen kept in a sanctuary, with maybe one or two still used by individuals as working animals. There is potential for recreational use of horses if the airport is built, an airline operates successfully from it and visitors to the island increase in number. A report from the UK government giving the decision on future transport facilities for the island is overdue. It was expected at the end of last year. Walking and Riding [and photography] St Helena is a walkers paradise. Imagine the Scottish western highlands compressed [take this almost literally] into an area of 4 square miles. That is roughly what you get in St Helena. Never ending ridges and guts and ever changing and dramatic views. Walks can vary on the effort scale from fairly easy to very tough. The constant ups and downs and ever winding paths mean it takes longer than anticipated to get from A to B but the journey is always worth it. Finally, you could walk every day for a month on St Helena and there would still be beautiful valleys and plains you have not seen. UK administration of the island Throughout the island's history the fortunes of the islanders in their day to day existence has depended on the personal attributions and competence of key individuals. In the East India Company days the governor could make life on the island either attractive or hell on earth. In recent years, Thatcher was and remains very unpopular. Claire Short's time at the Department for International Development gave St Helenians hope for the future. The recently departed governor was one of the most popular in recent years while the incoming governor is entirely different and is looked to by many of the islanders to advance their hopes for the future. A recent contribution suggested the UK government has treated the islanders badly. This I think is an overstatement. There have been periods of inexcusable neglect but most of the complaints from today's islanders are centred on the usual slowness and lack of attention to detail which is common to every government. For instance, there is a continual procession of 'experts' who visit the island to inspect, check and recommend on any and all aspects and subjects of island life. The effect all these experts have on tangible improvements to island life is difficult to identify. Sometimes the recommendations are seen as misplaced because the expert has not made the effort to transpose his or herself from a western industrialised society to a small remote rural society. On the other hand, the expense attached to providing services or investment to a small remote community is often not sustainable. The current hope is to make low volume/high value tourism successful on the back of an airport and - more crucially - a successful airline operating from it. If successful, many smaller businesses could be developed to service the tourists. There are many St Helenians who have clear plans about how to get a small business going once the tourists start to arrive. Vince Thompson The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Sun Jan 23 23:01:43 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists References: Message-ID: <018501c50197$17d1ebd0$1b6dd0d5@mp3station> > It's also worth noting that, before leaving St. Helena/Ascension after a > visit, you need to change back any surplus St. Helena curreny, as it is not > exchangeable in the UK. The notes may not be exchangeable in the UK, but Ebay has a cute way of exchanging them simply for the rarity value of them -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk Mon Jan 24 10:40:24 2005 From: Vince.Thompson at networkrail.co.uk (Thompson Vince) Date: Mon Jan 24 10:43:39 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Well Spotted Message-ID: <7B8F4A71DA1E8C4093009BA93C96EEEF020A7E9D@rshq-sr1-m06m> I could not understand what Bob Conrich [vol.7 issue 23] was getting at - to start with. After re-reading my contribution it finally dawned on me. To make it completely clear to anyone who is remotely interested, my reference to Hollamby should read 'The recently departed governor was one of the most UNpopular in recent years ......' On a different subject, John Coyle[?] referred to Thornton in a previous issue. When completing the very much overdue job of sorting out various papers yesterday [Sunday] I rediscovered a type written 'public address' from Thornton written in 1974. He must have been highly stressed at the time he wrote it. It is full of vitriol and high flown prose. I do not have this document to hand at the moment. It may be worth quoting some short passages from it later. It certainly did not make any sense to me as I do not have the background info. regarding precisely what upset him in the first place. 1974 was my first visit to St Helena. Thornton had already departed but the air was still thick with the atmosphere created by his presence. I found St Helenians very reluctant to give me any 'blow by blow' accounts of what actually happened and why. Maybe John can enlighten us? A similar situation seems to exist regarding Horst Timmreck. Again the surname may not be spelt correctly. A closing comment for Chuk. No 'Freeways' on St Helena! It is that kind of talk that scares St Helenians rigid. Low volume/high value tourism is the mantra currently being chanted. In practical terms this means providing 5 star plus facilities for discerning, well heeled visitors who are decent enough to respect the unique situation of the island and at the same time provide a significant and perpetual transfusion of money into the local economy. A great prize! If it can be achieved. Finally, congratulations to the islanders for raising ?8,500 for the tsunami appeal. From a population of about 3,500 in a low value economy that is magnificant - but only to be expected. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050124/8f14cd11/attachment.htm From hokke27 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 28 01:30:58 2005 From: hokke27 at hotmail.com (Hokke Larsen) Date: Fri Jan 28 01:31:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists In-Reply-To: <200501241100.j0OB04rQ001405@rex.kulturservern.se> Message-ID: The St. Helena currency might not be exchangeble in the UK, but it is valid! It is still, after all, Brittish currency... > 1. Re: A mop up on comments in past lists (Jon (who else?)) > 2. Well Spotted (Thompson Vince) >> > It's also worth noting that, before leaving St. Helena/Ascension >>after a > > visit, you need to change back any surplus St. Helena curreny, as it >is >not > > exchangeable in the UK. > > The notes may not be exchangeable in the UK, but Ebay has a cute way of >exchanging them simply for the rarity value of them > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:40:24 -0000 >From: "Thompson Vince" >Subject: [STHELENA] Well Spotted >To: >Message-ID: <7B8F4A71DA1E8C4093009BA93C96EEEF020A7E9D@rshq-sr1-m06m> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >I could not understand what Bob Conrich [vol.7 issue 23] was getting at - >to start with. After re-reading my contribution it finally dawned on me. >To make it completely clear to anyone who is remotely interested, my >reference to Hollamby should read > >'The recently departed governor was one of the most UNpopular in recent >years ......' > >On a different subject, John Coyle[?] referred to Thornton in a previous >issue. When completing the very much overdue job of sorting out various >papers yesterday [Sunday] >I rediscovered a type written 'public address' from Thornton written in >1974. He must have been highly stressed at the time he wrote it. It is >full of vitriol and high flown prose. I do not have this document to hand >at the moment. It may be worth quoting some short passages from it later. >It certainly did not make any sense to me as I do not have the background >info. regarding precisely what upset him in the first place. > >1974 was my first visit to St Helena. Thornton had already departed but >the air was still thick with the atmosphere created by his presence. I >found St Helenians very reluctant to give me any 'blow by blow' accounts >of what actually happened and why. Maybe John can enlighten us? A >similar situation seems to exist regarding Horst Timmreck. Again the >surname may not be spelt correctly. > >A closing comment for Chuk. No 'Freeways' on St Helena! It is that kind >of talk that scares St Helenians rigid. Low volume/high value tourism is >the mantra currently being chanted. In practical terms this means >providing 5 star plus facilities for discerning, well heeled visitors who >are decent enough to respect the unique situation of the island and at the >same time provide a significant and perpetual transfusion of money into the >local economy. A great prize! If it can be achieved. > >Finally, congratulations to the islanders for raising ?8,500 for the >tsunami appeal. From a population of about 3,500 in a low value economy >that is magnificant - but only to be expected. > >Kind Regards > >Vince > > > > > > >The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may >also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. > >This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended >recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an >original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake >please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any >copies from your system. > >Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the >senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050124/8f14cd11/attachment-0001.htm > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >List mailing list >List@sthelena.se >http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > >End of List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 25 >*********************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ From cann at northrock.bm Fri Jan 28 06:15:48 2005 From: cann at northrock.bm (Cann) Date: Fri Jan 28 06:16:18 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists References: Message-ID: <04e201c504f8$6e423380$1e2af9d8@lynnefpx2bgs68> Is it their own currency or is it the old British Currency ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hokke Larsen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists > > > > The St. Helena currency might not be exchangeble in the UK, but it is > valid! It is still, after all, Brittish currency... > > >> 1. Re: A mop up on comments in past lists (Jon (who else?)) >> 2. Well Spotted (Thompson Vince) >>> > It's also worth noting that, before leaving St. Helena/Ascension >>> after a >> > visit, you need to change back any surplus St. Helena curreny, as it >> is >>not >> > exchangeable in the UK. >> >> The notes may not be exchangeable in the UK, but Ebay has a cute way of >>exchanging them simply for the rarity value of them >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:40:24 -0000 >>From: "Thompson Vince" >>Subject: [STHELENA] Well Spotted >>To: >>Message-ID: <7B8F4A71DA1E8C4093009BA93C96EEEF020A7E9D@rshq-sr1-m06m> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >>I could not understand what Bob Conrich [vol.7 issue 23] was getting at - >>to start with. After re-reading my contribution it finally dawned on me. >>To make it completely clear to anyone who is remotely interested, my >>reference to Hollamby should read >> >>'The recently departed governor was one of the most UNpopular in recent >>years ......' >> >>On a different subject, John Coyle[?] referred to Thornton in a previous >>issue. When completing the very much overdue job of sorting out various >>papers yesterday [Sunday] >>I rediscovered a type written 'public address' from Thornton written in >>1974. He must have been highly stressed at the time he wrote it. It is >>full of vitriol and high flown prose. I do not have this document to hand >>at the moment. It may be worth quoting some short passages from it later. >>It certainly did not make any sense to me as I do not have the background >>info. regarding precisely what upset him in the first place. >> >>1974 was my first visit to St Helena. Thornton had already departed but >>the air was still thick with the atmosphere created by his presence. I >>found St Helenians very reluctant to give me any 'blow by blow' accounts >>of what actually happened and why. Maybe John can enlighten us? A >>similar situation seems to exist regarding Horst Timmreck. Again the >>surname may not be spelt correctly. >> >>A closing comment for Chuk. No 'Freeways' on St Helena! It is that kind >>of talk that scares St Helenians rigid. Low volume/high value tourism is >>the mantra currently being chanted. In practical terms this means >>providing 5 star plus facilities for discerning, well heeled visitors who >>are decent enough to respect the unique situation of the island and at the >>same time provide a significant and perpetual transfusion of money into >>the local economy. A great prize! If it can be achieved. >> >>Finally, congratulations to the islanders for raising ?8,500 for the >>tsunami appeal. From a population of about 3,500 in a low value economy >>that is magnificant - but only to be expected. >> >>Kind Regards >> >>Vince >> >> >> >> >> >> >>The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may >>also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. >> >>This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended >>recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an >>original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake >>please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any >>copies from your system. >> >>Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the >>senders own and not made on behalf of Network Rail. >> >>-------------- next part -------------- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: >>http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20050124/8f14cd11/attachment-0001.htm >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>List mailing list >>List@sthelena.se >>http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list >> >> >>End of List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 25 >>*********************************** > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hitta r?tt p? n?tet med MSN S?k http://search.msn.se/ > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From tmhughley at wcbcorps.com Fri Jan 28 17:47:08 2005 From: tmhughley at wcbcorps.com (Tessa M. Hughley) Date: Fri Jan 28 17:47:20 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists Message-ID: St. Helena has the 'St. Helena Pound' (our own currency) but it is equal in value to the Pound Sterling. Both are used on St. Helena. I think someone said earlier that the island prefers not to use the British Pound. This is in no way true. -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Cann Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:16 PM To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists Is it their own currency or is it the old British Currency ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hokke Larsen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: [STHELENA] A mop up on comments in past lists > > > > The St. Helena currency might not be exchangeble in the UK, but it is > valid! It is still, after all, Brittish currency... > > >> 1. Re: A mop up on comments in past lists (Jon (who else?)) >> 2. Well Spotted (Thompson Vince) >>> > It's also worth noting that, before leaving St. Helena/Ascension >>> after a >> > visit, you need to change back any surplus St. Helena curreny, as it >> is >>not >> > exchangeable in the UK. >> >> The notes may not be exchangeable in the UK, but Ebay has a cute way of >>exchanging them simply for the rarity value of them >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:40:24 -0000 >>From: "Thompson Vince" >>Subject: [STHELENA] Well Spotted >>To: >>Message-ID: <7B8F4A71DA1E8C4093009BA93C96EEEF020A7E9D@rshq-sr1-m06m> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >>I could not understand what Bob Conrich [vol.7 issue 23] was getting at - >>to start with. After re-reading my contribution it finally dawned on me. >>To make it completely clear to anyone who is remotely interested, my >>reference to Hollamby should read >> >>'The recently departed governor was one of the most UNpopular in recent >>years ......' >> >>On a different subject, John Coyle[?] referred to Thornton in a previous >>issue. When completing the very much overdue job of sorting out various >>papers yesterday [Sunday] >>I rediscovered a type written 'public address' from Thornton written in >>1974. He must have been highly stressed at the time he wrote it. It is >>full of vitriol and high flown prose. I do not have this document to hand >>at the moment. It may be worth quoting some short passages from it later. >>It certainly did not make any sense to me as I do not have the background >>info. regarding precisely what upset him in the first place. >> >>1974 was my first visit to St Helena. Thornton had already departed but >>the air was still thick with the atmosphere created by his presence. I >>found St Helenians very reluctant to give me any 'blow by blow' accounts >>of what actually happened and why. Maybe John can enlighten us? A >>similar situation seems to exist regarding Horst Timmreck. Again the >>surname may not be spelt correctly. >> >>A closing comment for Chuk. No 'Freeways' on St Helena! It is that kind >>of talk that scares St Helenians rigid. Low volume/high value tourism is >>the mantra currently being chanted. In practical terms this means >>providing 5 star plus facilities for discerning, well heeled visitors who >>are decent enough to respect the unique situation of the island and at the >>same time provide a significant and perpetual transfusion of money into >>the local economy. A great prize! If it can be achieved. >> >>Finally, congratulations to the islanders for raising ?8,500 for the >>tsunami appeal. From a population of about 3,500 in a low value economy >>that is magnificant - but only to be expected. >> >>Kind Regards >> >>Vince >> >> >> >> >> >> >>The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may >>also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. >> >>This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended >>recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an >>original intended recipient. 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