From cranham.j at virgin.net Sat Dec 3 14:55:06 2005 From: cranham.j at virgin.net (John Cranham) Date: Sat Dec 3 14:55:34 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena In-Reply-To: <002a01c5f3fa$881d6ad0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: MessageJohn, It is so nice to hear from you. I for one have missed your little cameos of life on one of the last outposts of empire. I do however recognise your symptoms, it is "islanditis". I have suffered quite badly from it when living on islands Not whilst on small islands with no roads or cars but bigger ones with a few miles of roads. I used to have a desperate need to get in a nice new car and just drive. Anywhere would do as long as it was a long way. The freedom of the motorway, it was a wonderful, unattainable dream. Once the novelty of not having to pay Road Tax or have an MOT wore off even to see a new car would have been exciting. Ridiculous isn't it, but real all the same. I feel a holiday coming on. But for that you need an airport! Ah.. the airport. Now that it has been approved those people who kept quiet in the discussion phase are beginning to appear out of the woodwork. I did wonder why little had been mentioned before of the rare, unique, indigenous invertebrates. Any earwig, unique or otherwise, that fails to get off the runway when a plane is landing will no doubt get a nasty headache. That an airport will bring changes there is little doubt. Mostly for the better, there will be a downside of course but there is always a price to pay. Doing nothing is not really an option. Loony alternatives, these will always appear usually from denizens of semis in suburbia who never go outside if it is raining and have street lights to chase away the dark. Sea planes, helicopters and even airships will be suggested, they have seen to many movies. Bigger and faster ships, oh dear, have they never been to sea. How will a bigger ship help with landing at Jamestown. What's wrong with digging a tunnel from UK anyway. Conspiracy theory, now this is magic. The evil, imperialist government trying to do the downtrodden islanders out of their share of the gold and get it all for themselves. A military airbase, now that would be really useful given that there is already one about an hours military jet flying time away on Ascension. I saw the Antarctic oil theory somewhere else but I don't think extending St Helena's territorial waters to 600 miles is going to help a lot, it would still be a few thousand miles short. But why let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory? All governments always have hidden agendas, otherwise they wouldn't be governments. In the case of the airport I would have thought it reasonably obvious. The RMS is going to need replacing anyway and represents a substantial annual cost. Why not go for a one off cost of an airport and save a lot of money in the future as well as bringing the benefits to the Saints of regular communication with the rest of the world. Some people will benefit, some will not. Some people will love it, some will not. Anyway it may also help with timekeeping because, unlike ships, aircraft do not hang around waiting for late passengers! Great to hear from you, keep 'em coming. John -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena Sent: 28 November 2005 09:03 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena And so it goes - thoughts from St. Helena You know how it is. First there?s the euphoria and general acclaim that, finally, someone is going to do something about it. That can last as little as a few hours, or as long as a few months, but inevitably it is then replaced by the second thoughts. ?I didn?t realise it would mean that?. ?I ?m not sure that is such a good idea after all?. So it is with St. Helena?s Airport. I was at the public announcement in Plantation House and remember the cheers and smiles with which the announcement was greeted. That was in April. Now it seems there is a decided backlash underway. This Sunday the UK ?Independent? newspaper carried an article which, as far as I can tell, concluded that the airport is a bad idea because it may disturb some earwigs and a few spiders, who may not even be there anyway. Some people are afraid that the island?s ?uniqueness? will be damaged by having more tourists here. And there are more than few who are worried that their cosy and highly-subsidised way of life is about to be hit by a hard dose of cold economic reality. More amusing are the ?why didn?t they do it this way? proposals that are crawling out of the woodwork. Apparently we don?t need an airport; we just need a better harbour and faster ships. Of perhaps we should have sea planes landing in James Bay (given that it?s often too choppy for the ships I can?t image how a seaplane would cope). It?s only a matter of time before someone suggests a 1,200 mile pontoon bridge or a giant catapult. Personally I am not a fan of the view that governments always get it right. But I do believe that no government spends significant amounts of money on something without a good (in its terms) reason. If the UK government is prepared to put ?80m (the Independent?s figure) into airport for St. Helena, I can only assume that it is because there was no cheaper way of achieving its objective (whatever that objective might be). So whether you believe the airport if there to promote economic regeneration and improve the lives of Saints, or whether you side with the conspiracy theorists who suggest it has a military purpose (for launching a full-scale airborne invasion of Antarctica, perhaps?), it might be better to work with the reality that an airport is coming and we had all better just get on with it. JT {The foregoing is a personal view and does not claim to represent the views of Bank of St. Helena} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051203/8007bd99/attachment.htm From svest at mindspring.com Sat Dec 3 22:56:58 2005 From: svest at mindspring.com (Steven W. Vest) Date: Sat Dec 3 22:51:43 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena In-Reply-To: <002a01c5f3fa$881d6ad0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> References: <002a01c5f3fa$881d6ad0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <1133647018.1706.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Not that it is any of my business, but I consider the airport a necessity for the people of Saint Helena. There are many benefits, as well as drawbacks but I believe this is something that was inevitable. I do have selfish reasons to not want it, especially since I would like to go their sometime and like the uniqueness of the remoteness, but I think the people of Saint Helena will find there are many more benefits than drawbacks. Think of all the different things such as health care, mail, spare parts, tourism, trade, ..... This is something that will radically change Saint Helena society. It is up to the Saint Helena people if it is for the good or bad. I find it unlikely that the Island will become a tourist trap due to the location. I do think the flavor of the island can be maintained if the people and government want it. Good luck, Steve Vest -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena" Subject: [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:02:54 -0000 Size: 9123 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051203/2f2acd4e/attachment-0001.eml From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Mon Dec 5 23:12:56 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Mon Dec 5 23:13:18 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena References: <002a01c5f3fa$881d6ad0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <002801c5f9e9$0ce1d4b0$14510c54@meg> MessageHmmm, a giant catapult may not be such a bad idea, I wonder who would be the first victim, I mean passenger! As for a bridge, well I have some news on that front. Not quite a bridge, but next door to the railway depot where I work is the new channel tunnel rail link that connects the UK with France (apparently we need to be connected to france!) I have noticed a spur leading off of the main ine and heading very definately south. The official version is that it is a maintenance link Like so many others here at the sanitorium I believe that this is the new St Helena rail tunnel link. Just think about it, Kings Cross St Pancras, Stratford and then Jamestown. On second thoughts, maybe the airport will be more practical. As for the practicallity of such a scheme, I don't think we will ever know for sure until such time as it is built. As for invading Antartica, I was sent there by the Army in 1984 (by way of New Zealand) and travelled on an aircraft operated by "Crash Air" Jon Dingey east London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena You know how it is. First there's the euphoria and general acclaim that, finally, someone is going to do something about it. That can last as little as a few hours, or as long as a few months, but inevitably it is then replaced by the second thoughts. "I didn't realise it would mean that". "I'm not sure that is such a good idea after all". So it is with St. Helena's Airport. I was at the public announcement in Plantation House and remember the cheers and smiles with which the announcement was greeted. That was in April. Now it seems there is a decided backlash underway. This Sunday the UK 'Independent' newspaper carried an article which, as far as I can tell, concluded that the airport is a bad idea because it may disturb some earwigs and a few spiders, who may not even be there anyway. Some people are afraid that the island's 'uniqueness' will be damaged by having more tourists here. And there are more than few who are worried that their cosy and highly-subsidised way of life is about to be hit by a hard dose of cold economic reality. More amusing are the 'why didn't they do it this way' proposals that are crawling out of the woodwork. Apparently we don't need an airport; we just need a better harbour and faster ships. Of perhaps we should have sea planes landing in James Bay (given that it's often too choppy for the ships I can't image how a seaplane would cope). It's only a matter of time before someone suggests a 1,200 mile pontoon bridge or a giant catapult. Personally I am not a fan of the view that governments always get it right. But I do believe that no government spends significant amounts of money on something without a good (in its terms) reason. If the UK government is prepared to put ?80m (the Independent's figure) into airport for St. Helena, I can only assume that it is because there was no cheaper way of achieving its objective (whatever that objective might be). So whether you believe the airport if there to promote economic regeneration and improve the lives of Saints, or whether you side with the conspiracy theorists who suggest it has a military purpose (for launching a full-scale airborne invasion of Antarctica, perhaps?), it might be better to work with the reality that an airport is coming and we had all better just get on with it. JT {The foregoing is a personal view and does not claim to represent the views of Bank of St. Helena} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051205/e09fb2e8/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Mon Dec 5 23:18:02 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Mon Dec 5 23:18:04 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] - I've just been to St. Helena References: <002a01c5f3fa$881d6ad0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> <1133647018.1706.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <003a01c5f9e9$c2b42810$14510c54@meg> Seriously I have. Well to be honest, I haven't actually left crime ridden east London, but I have just watched the Capricorn Video presentation entitled "St Helena Island, A timeless Discovery". This has only hastened my resolve to visit the island. Plan for visiting St Helena:- 1. Win Lottery 2. Book ticket on RMS 3. Arrive on Island 4. Forget to leave Jon Dingey east London Correspondant From manager at sainthelenabank.com Tue Dec 6 10:48:32 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Tue Dec 6 10:49:21 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena In-Reply-To: <002801c5f9e9$0ce1d4b0$14510c54@meg> Message-ID: <001701c5fa4a$3af277e0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> "Network Rail apologies for the delay to your train to Sheffield. This is due to operating difficulties in the Ascension Island area." -----Original Message----- From: Jon (who else?) [mailto:iambiker@nildram.co.uk] Sent: 05 December 2005 22:13 To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena Hmmm, a giant catapult may not be such a bad idea, I wonder who would be the first victim, I mean passenger! As for a bridge, well I have some news on that front. Not quite a bridge, but next door to the railway depot where I work is the new channel tunnel rail link that connects the UK with France (apparently we need to be connected to france!) I have noticed a spur leading off of the main ine and heading very definately south. The official version is that it is a maintenance link Like so many others here at the sanitorium I believe that this is the new St Helena rail tunnel link. Just think about it, Kings Cross St Pancras, Stratford and then Jamestown. On second thoughts, maybe the airport will be more practical. As for the practicallity of such a scheme, I don't think we will ever know for sure until such time as it is built. As for invading Antartica, I was sent there by the Army in 1984 (by way of New Zealand) and travelled on an aircraft operated by "Crash Air" Jon Dingey east London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] And so it goes . - thoughts from St. Helena And so it goes - thoughts from St. Helena You know how it is. First there?s the euphoria and general acclaim that, finally, someone is going to do something about it. That can last as little as a few hours, or as long as a few months, but inevitably it is then replaced by the second thoughts. ?I didn?t realise it would mean that?. ?I?m not sure that is such a good idea after all?. So it is with St. Helena?s Airport. I was at the public announcement in Plantation House and remember the cheers and smiles with which the announcement was greeted. That was in April. Now it seems there is a decided backlash underway. This Sunday the UK ?Independent? newspaper carried an article which, as far as I can tell, concluded that the airport is a bad idea because it may disturb some earwigs and a few spiders, who may not even be there anyway. Some people are afraid that the island?s ?uniqueness? will be damaged by having more tourists here. And there are more than few who are worried that their cosy and highly-subsidised way of life is about to be hit by a hard dose of cold economic reality. More amusing are the ?why didn?t they do it this way? proposals that are crawling out of the woodwork. Apparently we don?t need an airport; we just need a better harbour and faster ships. Of perhaps we should have sea planes landing in James Bay (given that it?s often too choppy for the ships I can?t image how a seaplane would cope). It?s only a matter of time before someone suggests a 1,200 mile pontoon bridge or a giant catapult. Personally I am not a fan of the view that governments always get it right. But I do believe that no government spends significant amounts of money on something without a good (in its terms) reason. If the UK government is prepared to put ?80m (the Independent?s figure) into airport for St. Helena, I can only assume that it is because there was no cheaper way of achieving its objective (whatever that objective might be). So whether you believe the airport if there to promote economic regeneration and improve the lives of Saints, or whether you side with the conspiracy theorists who suggest it has a military purpose (for launching a full-scale airborne invasion of Antarctica, perhaps?), it might be better to work with the reality that an airport is coming and we had all better just get on with it. JT {The foregoing is a personal view and does not claim to represent the views of Bank of St. Helena} _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051206/d5473ac5/attachment.htm From nanystrom at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 16:00:22 2005 From: nanystrom at yahoo.com (Nissa Nystrom) Date: Tue Dec 6 16:00:38 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] - I've just been to St. Helena In-Reply-To: <003a01c5f9e9$c2b42810$14510c54@meg> Message-ID: <20051206150022.34310.qmail@web54507.mail.yahoo.com> I like your plan Jon. It is very similar to my own! Keep the faith! Nissa Nystrom North Dakota, USA --- "Jon (who else?)" wrote: > Seriously I have. Well to be honest, I haven't > actually left crime ridden > east London, but I have just watched the Capricorn > Video presentation > entitled "St Helena Island, A timeless Discovery". > This has only hastened > my resolve to visit the island. > > Plan for visiting St Helena:- > 1. Win Lottery > 2. Book ticket on RMS > 3. Arrive on Island > 4. Forget to leave > > Jon > Dingey east London Correspondant > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From manager at sainthelenabank.com Fri Dec 9 14:08:27 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Dec 9 14:09:17 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules Message-ID: <005201c5fcc1$ab8e13f0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051209/1b87fc24/attachment.htm From apparat at welho.com Fri Dec 9 18:33:09 2005 From: apparat at welho.com (Jukka) Date: Fri Dec 9 18:33:41 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules In-Reply-To: <005201c5fcc1$ab8e13f0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <001501c5fce6$a99fd8b0$1a64b552@jtyqk84gzzrrz7> What a shame, you are suffering from nonsense even over there in St Helena. What a shame. Jukka Finland -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena Sent: 9. joulukuuta 2005 15:08 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051209/d0c5ba9c/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Fri Dec 9 21:17:38 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Fri Dec 9 21:17:41 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules References: <005201c5fcc1$ab8e13f0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <007201c5fcfd$9bd489d0$e7bf0c54@meg> MessageI have just had a very simular problem. I resolved it by running a sub surface pipe (in this case it was a soil pipe but it only carried surface water) from the persons property, under their land to an area of waste land where a soakaway could be built out of sight and out of mind. The pipe was then covered with Pea Shingle and then top soil before the grass was reinstated. Once completed, you would not have known it was there. This was acceptable under UK planning law (although there are regional variations I assume St HJelena must be close to the laws up here on the mainland) I would assume that you would be able to do this or something simular, after all, if there are plants growing where you intend expell this waterthere must be a natural soil base capable of handling any donated water!! Regards Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051209/587a829a/attachment.htm From apparat at welho.com Fri Dec 9 21:56:54 2005 From: apparat at welho.com (Jukka) Date: Fri Dec 9 21:57:41 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules In-Reply-To: <007201c5fcfd$9bd489d0$e7bf0c54@meg> Message-ID: <000501c5fd03$2a7c5e10$1a64b552@jtyqk84gzzrrz7> Jon, may I ask you something? I was once staying in a house in Devon. For centuries people have collected rain water from drainpipes to water the garden flowers etc. During Tatcher era community water supply systems were privatised, sold to investors. Since then many believe that ground water and also rain water is property of the water company, and collecting water from drainpipes equals to stealing -- you have to let the water soak into the ground to be recovered by the water company and then buy it from the company. Do you know, is this true? regards Jukka Finland -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Jon (who else?) Sent: 9. joulukuuta 2005 22:18 To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules I have just had a very simular problem. I resolved it by running a sub surface pipe (in this case it was a soil pipe but it only carried surface water) from the persons property, under their land to an area of waste land where a soakaway could be built out of sight and out of mind. The pipe was then covered with Pea Shingle and then top soil before the grass was reinstated. Once completed, you would not have known it was there. This was acceptable under UK planning law (although there are regional variations I assume St HJelena must be close to the laws up here on the mainland) I would assume that you would be able to do this or something simular, after all, if there are plants growing where you intend expell this waterthere must be a natural soil base capable of handling any donated water!! Regards Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051209/d024b399/attachment-0001.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Fri Dec 9 23:37:16 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Fri Dec 9 23:37:36 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules References: <005201c5fcc1$ab8e13f0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <023a01c5fd11$1ca47b20$0100000a@PRAXIS> John, if you have the opportunity to visit Spring Knoll, you will see exactly the same layout. The septic tank is about 20 metres from the house, on the Scotland side and a little way downhill, and the soak-away is just beyond that. The outflow from the septic tank goes, from memory, into the soak-away, and when all is full it just flows down the hill, irrigating the flax(if it's still there!), which consequently is probably the greenest on the island! But you can't just let it go, you know, you have to "control" it:-). The funniest thing was, that the tap water for Spring Knoll is obtained from a natural spring further up the hill, and on one occasion the small catchment dam for the water became home to a number of breeding frogs, so that our water supply turned brown and soupy with spawn! Caused some consternation on the distaff side, as you might imagine... John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From thomas at flyingkettle.com Sat Dec 10 01:55:02 2005 From: thomas at flyingkettle.com (Thomas Goodey) Date: Sat Dec 10 01:55:13 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules In-Reply-To: <000501c5fd03$2a7c5e10$1a64b552@jtyqk84gzzrrz7> References: <007201c5fcfd$9bd489d0$e7bf0c54@meg> Message-ID: <439AA5F6.28910.2CEBB3@localhost> On 9 Dec 2005 at 22:56, Jukka wrote: > For centuries people have collected rain water from drainpipes to > water the garden flowers etc......Since then many believe that ground > water and also rain water is property of the water company, and > collecting water from drainpipes equals to stealing -- you have to let > the water soak into the ground to be recovered by the water company and > then buy it from the company. In the UK at least, at the moment, rainwater is free to use - see the cost analysis of rainwater harvesting on: http://www.lowimpact.org/factsheetrainwater.pdf But if you want to extract water from the ground or a stream, depending maybe upon the area, you may well have to pay a fee, because you are taking it from the same source for which the local water company has been granted a monopoly. It all seems logical to me. I suppose the logic with rainwater is that it has not yet come under the scope of the water company's monopoly, although it might do so later if not collected; but it might not - for example, if it fell upon your roses and was absorbed by their leaves, willy-nilly, you would be using the water for your own purposes (producing roses), but you could not very well be charged for it. If you were, you could be charged for breathing - hey, there's a good idea for Blair/Brown! The world is running out of oxygen! in order to conserve dwindling supplies, we must control consumption by using the price mechanism... Thomas Goodey **************************************************** The difficulty of starting a free pendulum, so as to make it vibrate at first in a plane, is extremely great; and every experimenter ought to be prepared to judge how much of the apparent torsion of its plane of vibration is really a progression of apses due to its oval motion. .........George Biddell Airy, Astronomer Royal, 1851 From manager at sainthelenabank.com Sat Dec 10 12:21:33 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Sat Dec 10 12:22:18 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules In-Reply-To: <001501c5fce6$a99fd8b0$1a64b552@jtyqk84gzzrrz7> Message-ID: <000101c5fd7b$e415dd10$0a0b000a@shgbank10> St. Helena does 'nonsense' just like everywhere else. It's not as if there is anywhere in the inhabited world where there are no silly administrative rules! The great thing about St. Helena is that I manage not to get uptight about them. In the UK I used to get frustrated by silly obstacles, which had no net effect other than making me stressed. Here, you quickly learn to just laugh about it. I wouldn't want anyone to think that, by sharing the amusing tales, I am in anyway denigrating this place. I am still convinced that this is where I want to live for the rest of my days. Regards, JT -----Original Message----- From: Jukka [mailto:apparat@welho.com] Sent: 09 December 2005 17:33 To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: RE: [STHELENA] Rules is rules What a shame, you are suffering from nonsense even over there in St Helena. What a shame. Jukka Finland -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena Sent: 9. joulukuuta 2005 15:08 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051210/5e58c2ca/attachment.htm From apparat at welho.com Sat Dec 10 17:00:52 2005 From: apparat at welho.com (Jukka) Date: Sat Dec 10 17:01:11 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules In-Reply-To: <005201c5fcc1$ab8e13f0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <000001c5fda2$e7b698c0$1a64b552@jtyqk84gzzrrz7> Thanks for the information, Thomas. It is good to know that I may still wash my face and feet with free water in Devon. We are facing a similar situation here in the north as Mr. Turner is facing in St. Helena, and Mr. John Coyle from Australia in Spring Knol. Some backround, and I hope you don't mind me getting into some detail - it is necessary considering the nature of the subject matter, so to say. My family has a summer cottage at a small lake in the forest, built in 1953. We have never had a septic tank for the obvious, as there is (almost) no plumbing and no WC in the premises. Instead, the human produce/waste/ecrement (pick your choice) is collected into a vessel located under the seat of the outhouse, treated with mulch or duff collected from the floor of the firewood shed or purchased from a hardware store, then (about once a year) dumped into a compost, where in a few years time it will be transformed into fertile soil, which can be used to grow roses, lettuce or whatever. There are no hygienic or other problems, I can assure you, we have 50 years experience of this practice. But for use in a all-year family house, the system would need some refinements, I admit. A drawback when compared with a full-blown water closet system complete with closed septic tanks, water-supply plumbing, all-year heating, tank-lorry transports to the water treatment plant... is that this system does not increase the GNP, as no transactions are entered into books, no wages paid, no wire transfers made. Also some job opportunities are lost, but, on the other hand, lots of work and effort is being saved, and one can use the available extra time by sitting outside, staring at the lake, listening to the birds chirping in the trees, and possibly thinking a thought once in while, or, why not, building a perpetuum mobile in the DIY shed. I'm sure (I must be, in the name of reason) that we can still use this good and simple system also after the new rules have been fully enforced. Then there is the "used-but-not-dangerous" water. It is natural water which you have used to wash your face and bum and do the washing-up and laundry. This is water taken from the lake or cloud, used and then released to the ground, almost the same as when taken, only now containing small fragments of biodegradable items. There is a problem with laundry, and it not the small amounts of dirt in your linen (skin flakes, sweat drops, cat hair, dust, what have you), but the detergent used to remove these small particles from the cloth. The solution is simple: use only modest amounts of truly biodegradable detergent, and no harm is done. Since the beginning, we have had a simple soakaway: a pit lined with stones dug in the soil, which is moraine. This will not be approved of by the new rules, as far as I know. As far as I have understood, we have to build a closed septic tank, where the solid agents would then settle at the bottom, and the clean water would flow over the top into the ground. Then, after a long time, the septic tank (where some biological processes will take place) will be filled with some sort of sludge, which will then be transported by a tank lorry to a water treatment plant somewhere. There some further biological processes will take place, and the solid agents would then be separated from the water, which would then be released into the ground. The remaining solid agents would be used for landfill, burned (the gases being released into the athmosphere and the remaining ashes again transported somewhere), or maybe shot into the outer space with a disposable, rocket-propelled dustbin lorry. While all this could be taken care of by nature, the small amounts of solid waste being used by trees, diluted among the million particles in the soil! Just as the thick forest and bush underneath Mr. Turner's house would take care of his washing waters, without any hassle, instead of having to blast a pit in the volcanic rock of St. Helena. regards, Jukka Finland -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena Sent: 9. joulukuuta 2005 15:08 To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051210/cb865025/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Mon Dec 12 02:54:57 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Mon Dec 12 02:55:20 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules References: <000501c5fd03$2a7c5e10$1a64b552@jtyqk84gzzrrz7> Message-ID: <004601c5febf$0fd568a0$e7bf0c54@meg> MessageHi Jukka Technically water from streams and rivers in the UK is the domain of the National Rivers Authority who managed it on behalf of their primary customers (the water companies) However if it flows through (above ground level) your land then you as the land owner have a duty to maintain that water course. However you are also granted use of that water. These rules date back to when people had mills etc across streams and they could channel the water to run their mill. The modern equivalent is some one who uses flowing water to run a generator for their home. Rain water has always been free to however collects it, as technically it is seen as a gift from God (seriously) However you cannot use this as an excuse to steasl it from your neighbours water butt! In modern UK water use is very regulated. The simplist version would be your summonise that all water has to be bought from the water company direct. However they have bigger fish to fry and are not bothered about Joe Public who collects free flowing water for personal use (provided it isn't for commercial gain Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Jukka To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [STHELENA] Rules is rules Jon, may I ask you something? I was once staying in a house in Devon. For centuries people have collected rain water from drainpipes to water the garden flowers etc. During Tatcher era community water supply systems were privatised, sold to investors. Since then many believe that ground water and also rain water is property of the water company, and collecting water from drainpipes equals to stealing -- you have to let the water soak into the ground to be recovered by the water company and then buy it from the company. Do you know, is this true? regards Jukka Finland -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se] On Behalf Of Jon (who else?) Sent: 9. joulukuuta 2005 22:18 To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules I have just had a very simular problem. I resolved it by running a sub surface pipe (in this case it was a soil pipe but it only carried surface water) from the persons property, under their land to an area of waste land where a soakaway could be built out of sight and out of mind. The pipe was then covered with Pea Shingle and then top soil before the grass was reinstated. Once completed, you would not have known it was there. This was acceptable under UK planning law (although there are regional variations I assume St HJelena must be close to the laws up here on the mainland) I would assume that you would be able to do this or something simular, after all, if there are plants growing where you intend expell this waterthere must be a natural soil base capable of handling any donated water!! Regards Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/2bf9e8d2/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Mon Dec 12 09:13:18 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Mon Dec 12 09:13:55 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules - St. Helenian Trees In-Reply-To: <007201c5fcfd$9bd489d0$e7bf0c54@meg> Message-ID: <001401c5fef3$e97bf450$0a0b000a@shgbank10> St. Helenian trees are amazing things. The assumption in Jon's final paragraph would hold true almost anywhere - except here. Trees here lead a precarious existence. They seem to grow to considerable height even in places where there is nothing that you or I would consider to be either 'topsoil' or 'sub-soil' . Unsurprisingly, therefore, the also regularly fall over. Trees across the road were part of the routine of daily life last autumn, caused, I assume, by the loosening of what little 'soil' there was by the onset of rain, and the arrival of the higher winds. The aloe plants achieve something similar, throwing up seed-pod stalks 10-15 feet into the air and then being uprooted by the next gust of wind. When they fall, they also prefer to do it across the road. It's no wonder the endemic trees were so completely slaughtered by the goats - their existence was already tenuous and the goats were the final straw. Sadly the Flax doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. Regards from a warm and sunny St. Helena JT -----Original Message----- From: Jon (who else?) [mailto:iambiker@nildram.co.uk] Sent: 09 December 2005 20:18 To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules I have just had a very simular problem. I resolved it by running a sub surface pipe (in this case it was a soil pipe but it only carried surface water) from the persons property, under their land to an area of waste land where a soakaway could be built out of sight and out of mind. The pipe was then covered with Pea Shingle and then top soil before the grass was reinstated. Once completed, you would not have known it was there. This was acceptable under UK planning law (although there are regional variations I assume St HJelena must be close to the laws up here on the mainland) I would assume that you would be able to do this or something simular, after all, if there are plants growing where you intend expell this waterthere must be a natural soil base capable of handling any donated water!! Regards Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner _____ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/3df69be1/attachment-0001.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Mon Dec 12 09:18:43 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Mon Dec 12 09:19:22 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules - Frog Spawn & Feathers In-Reply-To: <023a01c5fd11$1ca47b20$0100000a@PRAXIS> Message-ID: <000001c5fef4$ae920e50$0a0b000a@shgbank10> If they can get in, the Mynah birds try to drink from the water storage tanks in Piccolo Hill. Having got in, they don't always get out. Two days after I arrived on the island the feathers started appearing in the bathwater...... JT -----Original Message----- From: John Coyle [mailto:jcoyle@powerup.com.au] Sent: 09 December 2005 22:37 To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules John, if you have the opportunity to visit Spring Knoll, you will see exactly the same layout. The septic tank is about 20 metres from the house, on the Scotland side and a little way downhill, and the soak-away is just beyond that. The outflow from the septic tank goes, from memory, into the soak-away, and when all is full it just flows down the hill, irrigating the flax(if it's still there!), which consequently is probably the greenest on the island! But you can't just let it go, you know, you have to "control" it:-). The funniest thing was, that the tap water for Spring Knoll is obtained from a natural spring further up the hill, and on one occasion the small catchment dam for the water became home to a number of breeding frogs, so that our water supply turned brown and soupy with spawn! Caused some consternation on the distaff side, as you might imagine... John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena" To: "'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)'" Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you can get rainwater into one. St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the otherwise heavily sloping hillside. The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a soakaway. For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the outflow for about two days. Aren't rules fun? John Turner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rjyon at dircon.co.uk Mon Dec 12 14:02:52 2005 From: rjyon at dircon.co.uk (Robert Yon) Date: Mon Dec 12 13:58:43 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] The Papanui Message-ID: <002c01c5ff1c$8fd698a0$0d3570c2@oemcomputer> Greetings to all Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! On a different subject altogether: I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there myself though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H circa 1915. I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased older sister a battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little intrinsic value. I'm told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the Papanui, a ship that sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the fifties or sixties. I don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering whether those of you who know the island well have heard about, or can find out about the Papanui and the circumstances in which she went down and was later salvaged. It is not listed in the index of Philip Gosse's book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to the island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, well-known in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. His daughter and several grandchildren are still on the island. I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate (jpg, cut down to 65kb). Bob Yon PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land of my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/82098844/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Mon Dec 12 21:05:06 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Mon Dec 12 21:05:18 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] The Papanui References: <002c01c5ff1c$8fd698a0$0d3570c2@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004401c5ff57$5a678ae0$60b80c54@meg> Hello Robert, Could this be her? The ship you are referring to is almost certainly the "SS Papanui". She was bound from London to Cape Town and Fremantle with 364 immigrants and 108 crew in her usual capacity of carrying emigrants when, on 5 September 1911 she had a fire in her bunker coal stowed in number 3 hold. She arrived at Jamestown, St Helena on 11 September and was beached in Jamestown Bay the following day and abandoned. The fire was left to burn itself out. The passengers were picked up by the New Zealand Shipping Company's "Opawa" and taken to Cape Town. The "Papanui" was a former New Zealand Shipping Co vessel having been built for them by Denny & Co in 1898 at their works in Dumbarton They sold her in 1910 and at the time of her loss she appears to have been owned by H. C. Sleigh and H. B. Black of Melbourne. ("Crossed Flags" by Laxon, Farquhar, Kirby and Perry). She was a Single Screw design operated by the NZ Shipping Co. She weighted 6,582 tons. Mostly she carried UK emigrants. It is believed that she struck a rock near Hobart (Tasmania) 1909. Subsequently sold. Declared as "Lost after fire at sea" 1911. Hope this is of some help to you. Jon Dingy East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Yon To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] The Papanui Greetings to all Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! On a different subject altogether: I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there myself though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H circa 1915. I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased older sister a battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little intrinsic value. I'm told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the Papanui, a ship that sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the fifties or sixties. I don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering whether those of you who know the island well have heard about, or can find out about the Papanui and the circumstances in which she went down and was later salvaged. It is not listed in the index of Philip Gosse's book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to the island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, well-known in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. His daughter and several grandchildren are still on the island. I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate (jpg, cut down to 65kb). Bob Yon PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land of my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/3f6f80e8/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Mon Dec 12 23:47:38 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Mon Dec 12 23:47:59 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] The Papanui References: <002c01c5ff1c$8fd698a0$0d3570c2@oemcomputer> <004401c5ff57$5a678ae0$60b80c54@meg> Message-ID: <005901c5ff6e$0e636e90$0100000a@PRAXIS> Jon has given a very accurate account of the Papanuie (? correct spelling) and her loss in 1911. I would just add that her steering gear can still be seen in most photos of James Bay, protruding from the water about 2-300 metres from the shore, at the south-western end of the anchorage. Her bronze propeller was salvaged in the 70's, and I believe fetched a significant sum for it's scrap value! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon (who else?)" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui Hello Robert, Could this be her? The ship you are referring to is almost certainly the "SS Papanui". She was bound from London to Cape Town and Fremantle with 364 immigrants and 108 crew in her usual capacity of carrying emigrants when, on 5 September 1911 she had a fire in her bunker coal stowed in number 3 hold. She arrived at Jamestown, St Helena on 11 September and was beached in Jamestown Bay the following day and abandoned. The fire was left to burn itself out. The passengers were picked up by the New Zealand Shipping Company's "Opawa" and taken to Cape Town. The "Papanui" was a former New Zealand Shipping Co vessel having been built for them by Denny & Co in 1898 at their works in Dumbarton They sold her in 1910 and at the time of her loss she appears to have been owned by H. C. Sleigh and H. B. Black of Melbourne. ("Crossed Flags" by Laxon, Farquhar, Kirby and Perry). She was a Single Screw design operated by the NZ Shipping Co. She weighted 6,582 tons. Mostly she carried UK emigrants. It is believed that she struck a rock near Hobart (Tasmania) 1909. Subsequently sold. Declared as "Lost after fire at sea" 1911. Hope this is of some help to you. Jon Dingy East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Yon To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] The Papanui Greetings to all Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! On a different subject altogether: I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there myself though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H circa 1915. I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased older sister a battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little intrinsic value. I'm told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the Papanui, a ship that sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the fifties or sixties. I don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering whether those of you who know the island well have heard about, or can find out about the Papanui and the circumstances in which she went down and was later salvaged. It is not listed in the index of Philip Gosse's book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to the island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, well-known in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. His daughter and several grandchildren are still on the island. I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate (jpg, cut down to 65kb). Bob Yon PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land of my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From vmawson at iprimus.com.au Tue Dec 13 02:09:50 2005 From: vmawson at iprimus.com.au (Vivienne Mawson) Date: Tue Dec 13 02:07:13 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules - St. Helenian Trees In-Reply-To: <001401c5fef3$e97bf450$0a0b000a@shgbank10> References: <001401c5fef3$e97bf450$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: The aloes fall over because the plant dies after it has flowered and produces the next generation . . . Because I'm not on mains water in this semi-rural district, I have several watertanks for the house and garden. You can buy a valve that discards the first rush of rainwater from the roof (to keep the water clean). Australians are now being encouraged to buy water tanks (they were banned in many cities before, for reasons I never understood). Bermuda's houses have underhouse tanks because there is not enough water on the island to sustain housing and hotels. Given the probable consequences of climate change, St Helena would do well to encourage watertank use. Although I currently have a septic tank, I am thinking of switching to one of the environmental toilet systems. One allows cleaned water onto part of the garden, the other composts everything (the latter is now being successfully used in countries that have suffered natural disasters such as tsunamis and landslides recently). Vivienne On 12/12/2005, at 7:13 PM, John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena wrote: > St. Helenian trees are amazing things.??The assumption in Jon's final > paragraph would hold true almost anywhere - except here. > ? > Trees here lead a precarious existence.? They seem to grow to > considerable height even in places where there is nothing that you or > I?would consider to be either 'topsoil' or?'sub-soil'?. > ? > Unsurprisingly, therefore, the also regularly fall over.? Trees across > the road were part of the routine of daily life last autumn, caused, I > assume, by the loosening of what little 'soil' there was by the onset > of rain, and the arrival of the higher winds. > ? > The aloe plants achieve something similar, throwing up seed-pod stalks > 10-15 feet into the air and then being uprooted by the next gust of > wind.? When they fall, they also prefer to do it?across the road. > ? > It's no wonder the endemic trees were so completely slaughtered by the > goats - their existence was already tenuous and the goats were the > final straw. > ? > Sadly the Flax doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. > ? > Regards from a?warm and sunny St. Helena > ? > JT > ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon (who else?) [mailto:iambiker@nildram.co.uk] > Sent: 09 December 2005 20:18 > To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in > the South Atlantic(Eng) > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules > > I have just had a very simular problem.? I resolved it by running a > sub surface pipe (in this case it was a soil pipe but it only carried > surface water) from the persons property, under their land to an area > of waste land where a soakaway could be built out of sight and out of > mind.? The pipe was then covered with Pea Shingle and then top soil > before the grass was reinstated.? Once completed, you would not have > known it was there.? This was acceptable under UK planning law > (although there are regional variations I assume St HJelena must be > close to the laws up here on the mainland) > ? > I would assume that you would be able to do this or something simular, > after all, if there are plants growing where you intend expell this > waterthere must be a natural soil base capable of handling any donated > water!! > ? > Regards > Jon > Dingey East London Correspondant > ? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena >> To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' >> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:08 PM >> Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules >> >> You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you >> can get rainwater into one. >> ? >> St. Helena is volcanic.? It is therefore comprised of solid rock.? In >> some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new >> house is.? This is largely because the flat land on which the house >> stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the >> otherwise heavily sloping hillside. >> ? >> The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was >> to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous?water (e.g. from the >> roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick >> forest and bush area beneath us.? There's nobody down there to be >> bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow.? >> Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a >> soakaway. >> ? >> For the uninitiated,?I should explain that a soakaway is a small >> chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it >> has soaked into the ground.? That's fine if you have a few feet of >> subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock.? >> So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and >> just sit there.? When it has filled the soakaway, the water will >> overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first >> place.? All the building work will have achieved is to delay the >> outflow for about two days. >> ? >> Aren't rules fun? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> John Turner >> ? >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Papanui (Robert Yon) > 2. Re: The Papanui (Jon (who else?)) > 3. Re: The Papanui (John Coyle) > 4. Re: Rules is rules - St. Helenian Trees (Vivienne Mawson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:02:52 -0000 > From: "Robert Yon" > Subject: [STHELENA] The Papanui > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Message-ID: <002c01c5ff1c$8fd698a0$0d3570c2@oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Greetings to all > > Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall > henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new > respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! > > On a different subject altogether: > > I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a > family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there > myself though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H > circa 1915. I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased > older sister a battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little > intrinsic value. I'm told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the > Papanui, a ship that sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the > fifties or sixties. I don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering > whether those of you who know the island well have heard about, or can > find out about the Papanui and the circumstances in which she went down > and was later salvaged. It is not listed in the index of Philip Gosse's > book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. > > Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to the > island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, well-known > in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. His daughter > and several grandchildren are still on the island. > > I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to > this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate > (jpg, cut down to 65kb). > > Bob Yon > > PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me > personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land > of my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/82098844/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:05:06 -0000 > From: "Jon (who else?)" > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Message-ID: <004401c5ff57$5a678ae0$60b80c54@meg> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Robert, > > Could this be her? > > The ship you are referring to is almost certainly the "SS Papanui". She > was > bound from London to Cape Town and Fremantle with 364 immigrants and 108 > crew in her usual capacity of carrying emigrants when, on 5 September 1911 > she had a fire in her bunker coal stowed in number 3 hold. She arrived at > Jamestown, St Helena on 11 September and was beached in Jamestown Bay the > following day and abandoned. The fire was left to burn itself out. The > passengers were picked up by the New Zealand Shipping Company's "Opawa" > and taken to Cape Town. The "Papanui" was a former New Zealand Shipping > Co vessel having been built for them by Denny & Co in 1898 at their works > in Dumbarton > > They sold her in 1910 and at the time of her loss she appears to have been > owned by H. C. Sleigh and H. B. Black of Melbourne. ("Crossed Flags" by > Laxon, Farquhar, Kirby and Perry). > > She was a Single Screw design operated by the NZ Shipping Co. She > weighted > 6,582 tons. Mostly she carried UK emigrants. It is believed that she > struck > a rock near Hobart (Tasmania) 1909. Subsequently sold. Declared as "Lost > after fire at sea" 1911. > > > Hope this is of some help to you. > Jon > Dingy East London Correspondant > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Yon > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:02 PM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] The Papanui > > > Greetings to all > > Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall > henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new > respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! > > On a different subject altogether: > > I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a > family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there > myself though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H > circa 1915. I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased > older sister a battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little > intrinsic value. I'm told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the > Papanui, a ship that sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the > fifties or sixties. I don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering > whether those of you who know the island well have heard about, or can > find out about the Papanui and the circumstances in which she went down > and was later salvaged. It is not listed in the index of Philip Gosse's > book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. > > Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to > the island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, > well-known in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. > His daughter and several grandchildren are still on the island. > > I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to > this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate > (jpg, cut down to 65kb). > > Bob Yon > > PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me > personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land > of my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/3f6f80e8/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:47:38 +1000 > From: "John Coyle" > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" > > Message-ID: <005901c5ff6e$0e636e90$0100000a@PRAXIS> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Jon has given a very accurate account of the Papanuie (? correct spelling) > and her loss in 1911. I would just add that her steering gear can still > be > seen in most photos of James Bay, protruding from the water about 2-300 > metres from the shore, at the south-western end of the anchorage. Her > bronze propeller was salvaged in the 70's, and I believe fetched a > significant sum for it's scrap value! > > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon (who else?)" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:05 AM > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui > > > Hello Robert, > > Could this be her? > > The ship you are referring to is almost certainly the "SS Papanui". She > was > bound from London to Cape Town and Fremantle with 364 immigrants and 108 > crew in her usual capacity of carrying emigrants when, on 5 September 1911 > she had a fire in her bunker coal stowed in number 3 hold. She arrived at > Jamestown, St Helena on 11 September and was beached in Jamestown Bay the > following day and abandoned. The fire was left to burn itself out. The > passengers were picked up by the New Zealand Shipping Company's "Opawa" > and taken to Cape Town. The "Papanui" was a former New Zealand Shipping > Co vessel having been built for them by Denny & Co in 1898 at their works > in Dumbarton > > They sold her in 1910 and at the time of her loss she appears to have been > owned by H. C. Sleigh and H. B. Black of Melbourne. ("Crossed Flags" by > Laxon, Farquhar, Kirby and Perry). > > She was a Single Screw design operated by the NZ Shipping Co. She > weighted > 6,582 tons. Mostly she carried UK emigrants. It is believed that she > struck > a rock near Hobart (Tasmania) 1909. Subsequently sold. Declared as "Lost > after fire at sea" 1911. > > > Hope this is of some help to you. > Jon > Dingy East London Correspondant > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Yon > To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:02 PM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] The Papanui > > > Greetings to all > > Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall > henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new > respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! > > On a different subject altogether: > > I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a > family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there > myself > though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H circa > 1915. > I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased older sister a > battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little intrinsic value. > I'm > told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the Papanui, a ship that > sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the fifties or sixties. I > don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering whether those of you who > know the island well have heard about, or can find out about the Papanui > and > the circumstances in which she went down and was later salvaged. It is not > listed in the index of Philip Gosse's book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. > > Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to > the > island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, well-known > in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. His daughter > and several grandchildren are still on the island. > > I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to > this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate > (jpg, cut down to 65kb). > > Bob Yon > > PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me > personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land > of > my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:09:50 +1100 > From: Vivienne Mawson > Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules - St. Helenian Trees > To: manager@sainthelenabank.com, "All about St. Helena - The Island in > the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The aloes fall over because the plant dies after it has flowered and > produces the next generation . . . > > Because I'm not on mains water in this semi-rural district, I have > several watertanks for the house and garden. You can buy a valve that > discards the first rush of rainwater from the roof (to keep the water > clean). Australians are now being encouraged to buy water tanks (they > were banned in many cities before, for reasons I never understood). > Bermuda's houses have underhouse tanks because there is not enough > water on the island to sustain housing and hotels. Given the probable > consequences of climate change, St Helena would do well to encourage > watertank use. > > Although I currently have a septic tank, I am thinking of switching to > one of the environmental toilet systems. One allows cleaned water onto > part of the garden, the other composts everything (the latter is now > being successfully used in countries that have suffered natural > disasters such as tsunamis and landslides recently). > Vivienne > > On 12/12/2005, at 7:13 PM, John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena > wrote: > >> St. Helenian trees are amazing things. The assumption in Jon's final >> paragraph would hold true almost anywhere - except here. >> >> Trees here lead a precarious existence. They seem to grow to >> considerable height even in places where there is nothing that you or >> I would consider to be either 'topsoil' or 'sub-soil' . >> >> Unsurprisingly, therefore, the also regularly fall over. Trees across >> the road were part of the routine of daily life last autumn, caused, I >> assume, by the loosening of what little 'soil' there was by the onset >> of rain, and the arrival of the higher winds. >> >> The aloe plants achieve something similar, throwing up seed-pod stalks >> 10-15 feet into the air and then being uprooted by the next gust of >> wind. When they fall, they also prefer to do it across the road. >> >> It's no wonder the endemic trees were so completely slaughtered by the >> goats - their existence was already tenuous and the goats were the >> final straw. >> >> Sadly the Flax doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. >> >> Regards from a warm and sunny St. Helena >> >> JT >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon (who else?) [mailto:iambiker@nildram.co.uk] >> Sent: 09 December 2005 20:18 >> To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in >> the South Atlantic(Eng) >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules >> >> I have just had a very simular problem. I resolved it by running a >> sub surface pipe (in this case it was a soil pipe but it only carried >> surface water) from the persons property, under their land to an area >> of waste land where a soakaway could be built out of sight and out of >> mind. The pipe was then covered with Pea Shingle and then top soil >> before the grass was reinstated. Once completed, you would not have >> known it was there. This was acceptable under UK planning law >> (although there are regional variations I assume St HJelena must be >> close to the laws up here on the mainland) >> >> I would assume that you would be able to do this or something simular, >> after all, if there are plants growing where you intend expell this >> waterthere must be a natural soil base capable of handling any donated >> water!! >> >> Regards >> Jon >> Dingey East London Correspondant >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena >>> To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' >>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:08 PM >>> Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules >>> >>> You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you >>> can get rainwater into one. >>> >>> St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In >>> some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new >>> house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house >>> stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the >>> otherwise heavily sloping hillside. >>> >>> The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was >>> to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the >>> roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick >>> forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be >>> bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. >>> Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a >>> soakaway. >>> >>> For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small >>> chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it >>> has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of >>> subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. >>> So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and >>> just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will >>> overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first >>> place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the >>> outflow for about two days. >>> >>> Aren't rules fun? >>> >>> >>> >>> John Turner >>> >>> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: text/enriched > Size: 8109 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051213/c3def286/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list > List@sthelena.se > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > > > End of List Digest, Vol 18, Issue 9 > *********************************** From svest at mindspring.com Tue Dec 13 02:25:14 2005 From: svest at mindspring.com (Steven W. 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From: "Gail Hodgson" Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 18, Issue 9 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:14:04 +1100 Size: 21255 Url: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/2e3fe87f/attachment-0001.eml From rjyon at dircon.co.uk Tue Dec 13 22:23:36 2005 From: rjyon at dircon.co.uk (Robert Yon) Date: Tue Dec 13 22:19:20 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] The Papanui References: <002c01c5ff1c$8fd698a0$0d3570c2@oemcomputer> <004401c5ff57$5a678ae0$60b80c54@meg> Message-ID: <001201c6002b$a7eda180$4d3770c2@oemcomputer> Greetings and thanks to Jon and others who responded re the SS Papanui. Thanks Jon for the very full extract and history of the ship and its fate in James Bay. I have to admit with shame that I never thought of searching the WWW (not something that comes instinctively to me yet). I have subsequently found all the info on the Official St Helena Tourism site. There is a photo of a display of items recovered from the Papanui, and in the lower left corner of that picture is a plate with the St Helena crest in the middle. Remove the crest, and what you have is identical to the plate in my possession, except that mine is very cracked and discoloured. Thanks again Bob Yon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui Hello Robert, Could this be her? The ship you are referring to is almost certainly the "SS Papanui". She was bound from London to Cape Town and Fremantle with 364 immigrants and 108 crew in her usual capacity of carrying emigrants when, on 5 September 1911 and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051213/1eacf4ea/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Wed Dec 14 16:06:05 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Wed Dec 14 16:06:13 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] The Papanui References: <002c01c5ff1c$8fd698a0$0d3570c2@oemcomputer><004401c5ff57$5a678ae0$60b80c54@meg> <001201c6002b$a7eda180$4d3770c2@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001401c600bf$e93eac30$5e2c70c3@meg> Hi Robert, Happy to have been of service, hope the information was useful to you. Jon Dingey East London Correspondant Part time plumber and historian ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Yon To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui Greetings and thanks to Jon and others who responded re the SS Papanui. Thanks Jon for the very full extract and history of the ship and its fate in James Bay. I have to admit with shame that I never thought of searching the WWW (not something that comes instinctively to me yet). I have subsequently found all the info on the Official St Helena Tourism site. There is a photo of a display of items recovered from the Papanui, and in the lower left corner of that picture is a plate with the St Helena crest in the middle. Remove the crest, and what you have is identical to the plate in my possession, except that mine is very cracked and discoloured. Thanks again Bob Yon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui Hello Robert, Could this be her? The ship you are referring to is almost certainly the "SS Papanui". She was bound from London to Cape Town and Fremantle with 364 immigrants and 108 crew in her usual capacity of carrying emigrants when, on 5 September 1911 and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051214/bfd85551/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Dec 15 11:35:20 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Dec 15 11:36:04 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience Message-ID: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10> I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051215/643114b9/attachment.htm From ronreena95776 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 15:10:42 2005 From: ronreena95776 at yahoo.com (ron melancon) Date: Thu Dec 15 15:10:56 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience In-Reply-To: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <20051215141042.31988.qmail@web82001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good Morning John from Northern California USA I would trade you in a heart beat for your office setting You have a way with the pen, I enjoyed the tour of your surroundings there on the Island Ron Melancon Woodland, California --- "John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena" wrote: > I remember for many years working in sterile > offices, isolated from the real > world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows > that didn't open. > Things are different here. > > My office is on the top floor of the Post Office > building. I sit with a > window on my right, which opens and has a clear view > down to the sea. I can > usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, > and get a clear view of > the RMS on her way in/out between here and > Ascension. > > Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a > balcony. The balcony is an > old wooden affair that would never pass Health and > Safety requirements in > the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main > Street as far as Grand > Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the > bottom of Napoleon > Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the > bottom end of Side Path. > (bear with me - this has some relevance). > > I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets > in some air, which is > better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan > (the draft from the door > blows the papers off my desk in a predictable > direction, whereas the ceiling > fan just distributes them randomly around the > floor), and it lets in more > some light. > > However, it also lets in sound. This is not always > a good thing. > > A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few > days afterwards, when the > 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that > would, anywhere else, have > retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) > are carrying the island's > imports up from the wharf for distribution to the > community. If there was > any national planning here, the goods would be > unloaded in Rupert's Bay and > warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by > smaller vehicles, but > that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is > grinding past at 5mph I have > to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. > > There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely > a good neighbour but > which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of > 'gentle background > music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as > the Castle. And when they > are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their > windows are, of course, always > open. > > And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in > full swing, the 5th group > of school children this fortnight are singing > merrily (and, this time, > almost tunefully) to passers by in the street > outside the tourist offices. > > Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with > children giving > impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the > music (I have kids of my > own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much > amplification. Is it > really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be > heard all the way to > Ascension? > > I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, > other than temporarily, and > return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so > many years. Even as a > truck drowns out the children (even despite their > Deep Purple-style > amplification), I would still rather be here than > there. > > > John Turner > Manager > > Bank of St. Helena > > > www.SaintHelenaBank.com > > Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. > Helena Island. > > Tel: +290 2044 > > Fax: +290 2196 > > NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in > this communication are > those of the author and not necessarily those of the > Bank of St. Helena. > This communication and any attachments are > confidential, meant solely for > the intended recipient of the transmission, and may > be a communication > privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is > unauthorised. If you > received this communication in error or are not the > intended recipient, any > review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of > this communication or > any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received > this communication in > error, please notify the author by reply and then > kindly delete the > communication. Thank you. > > > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From cooperville at shaw.ca Thu Dec 15 16:56:19 2005 From: cooperville at shaw.ca (Lorne & Holly Cooper) Date: Thu Dec 15 16:56:34 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <001f01c60190$1735d480$15ff4246@yourfulkl1oh2q> MessageI always enjoy reading your descriptive emails, John. It still amazes me that with the click of a "send" button we can communicate between our two islands halfway around the globe. A very Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to All. Lorne Cooper Vancouver Island ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051215/1386e81c/attachment.htm From IrvingDylan at aol.com Thu Dec 15 17:10:45 2005 From: IrvingDylan at aol.com (IrvingDylan@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 15 17:11:45 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Smelling the ambience ... Message-ID: <22f.3374e07.30d2ef85@aol.com> ... when, John, the whole world envies St Helena a bank manager with a way with his words. "Right on, Ron North California," choruses our Word Factory in Cressroads, watercress capital of the not-so-idyll nor united kingdom. You okay, St John-the-Bank." After downing its writing sticks for a third reading of Ambience ... ... His Nibs, Her Nibs, then L-Nibs, whose letter-writing marathon when they were knee-high to a barrel of Quink earned them the approval of the late Queen Mum, Apostolic Blessing and the kindness of Lloyd's of London insuring their 'fine art collection of letters from international notables' ... ... until out of the ambience an idea is born: Affording the legs to help save the dying art of snail mail as well as well to develop further the power and speed of email would the good ship RMS have space in its writing-room for Their Three Nibs to launch a blogbuster to island paradise? Your input, please. Nibs-the-Elder p.s. All and any improvement on titling it Voyage to Ambience. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051215/48b82b79/attachment-0001.htm From ddnye at attglobal.net Thu Dec 15 18:24:53 2005 From: ddnye at attglobal.net (ddnye@attglobal.net) Date: Fri Dec 16 10:36:43 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <002201c6019c$8a013a20$0700a8c0@nye> MessageJohn, I enjoyed reading about your office. Back in 1998 and again in 2001 there was another Perk (pun intended) about being across the street from the Consulate Hotel. I hope she is still cutting hair there. Sandy (Sandie?) has cut my hair twice. Derald Nye ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051215/7b46296c/attachment.htm From ahs at st-helena.org Thu Dec 22 00:06:48 2005 From: ahs at st-helena.org (A.H.Schulenburg) Date: Thu Dec 22 00:18:44 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <01ca01c60684$eaf0fef0$781a86d4@TIME2003> MessageDear John, I enjoyed meeting you on St Helena in August and I sure enjoyed this letter. Could I publish it in the next 'Wirebird'? I will be going to press in a week's time, so an early OK would be much appreciated. Bets wishes and a happy Christmens, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051221/19ca9ead/attachment.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Thu Dec 22 09:37:29 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Thu Dec 22 09:37:58 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Christmas Shopping in St. Helena Message-ID: <000b01c606d2$f4f71490$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Christmas Shopping in St. Helena I have always hated Christmas shopping. I do like to buy things for people, but only when a flash of inspiration hits me. For some reason, I can't get inspiration-on-demand to work. Hence Christmas and Birthdays are a problem and if you really want a cool present from me don't expect it for either of those. I had hoped that things here would be simpler. As there aren't thousands of department stores, and 250 TV channels advertising gifts, I hoped I would get an easier life. It hasn't worked out that way so far. Firstly, the shops all got in special things for Christmas, but that was back in September, presumably so they could be purchased and posted to relatives in the UK and elsewhere, even though most of these have far better shops than we do anyway. I can't cope with Christmas that early, so I missed out on those. Then Amazon decided that, as St. Helena is obviously a front of Al-Qaeda, they could not send 'computer software' here. That meant no X-Box games for the kids. How they imagine Osama Bin Laden is going to subdue western democracy armed with a copy of 'Off-Road Rally 3' I can't figure. To cap it all, bread is now a scarce commodity. You see, hundreds of Saints have returned home for Christmas, and very few people have gone off island (most of the government officials have gone, but very few real people), so the net population has increased. Unfortunately the bakers have so far failed to respond to this challenge, so the loaves-per-capita ratio is severely short of requirements. The arrival of bread in the supermarket causes an effect similar to the opening day of the Harrods sale. Perhaps I shall buy all my family a currant bun each for Christmas - if I can get enough. Still, at least getting the Christmas tree was easier. No long queue at the garden centre to buy a 'guaranteed non-drop' (for which read "it'll last until after we close on Christmas Eve") tree. I just strolled out into the woods behind the house and cut one down. Happy Christmas / Holidays / whatever, John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051222/f255a069/attachment-0001.htm From manager at sainthelenabank.com Fri Dec 23 09:19:30 2005 From: manager at sainthelenabank.com (John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena) Date: Fri Dec 23 09:20:08 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Please join us for Boxing Day in St. Helena Message-ID: <000a01c60799$a2b2b7d0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> A group has organised a street party in Jamestown on Boxing Day, and - by the wonders of the Internet - the whole world is invited. Cable & Wireless will be setting up a web-cam, and SaintFM will be broadcasting live, so you can both see and hear the event. Bands will be playing, people will be performing, and everyone will be having a good time, I'm sure. Details of the necessary URLs should appear on the SaintFM website - www.saint.fm - during today. Have a good Christmas .... John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051223/711f7e65/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Sat Dec 24 22:36:52 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Sat Dec 24 22:37:00 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <008001c608d2$2920d610$e069d0d5@meg> MessageI would swap with you in an instant. Even though I work on the railway here in East London, I cannot leave my office, messroom, changing room or workshop window open, because the hoardes of thieving bar stewards that live around here would nick anything not bolted down. Carol singers don't come out any more, most of them got mugged last year. The usualy sound that can be heard in my place of work is the gentle thunder of Railway trains as they speed past or the more usual arguements from the houses next door. (one of our neighbvours has about 37 different insults in, we think, 3 languages, all for one person) But aside from all this, I hope every one on the island has a very merry Christmas and an even happier new year Seasons Greeting from Jon Dingey East London correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051224/148ce8ef/attachment.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Mon Dec 26 16:10:46 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Mon Dec 26 16:11:16 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10> <008001c608d2$2920d610$e069d0d5@meg> Message-ID: <005701c60a2e$8e3ca3f0$10d90651@meg> MessageYou had all better be listening!! Click on http://www.saint.fm/listen_live.htm for the live broadcast from St Helena. Strangely the web cam seems to be having an off day!! Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: manager@sainthelenabank.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Ambience I would swap with you in an instant. Even though I work on the railway here in East London, I cannot leave my office, messroom, changing room or workshop window open, because the hoardes of thieving bar stewards that live around here would nick anything not bolted down. Carol singers don't come out any more, most of them got mugged last year. The usualy sound that can be heard in my place of work is the gentle thunder of Railway trains as they speed past or the more usual arguements from the houses next door. (one of our neighbvours has about 37 different insults in, we think, 3 languages, all for one person) But aside from all this, I hope every one on the island has a very merry Christmas and an even happier new year Seasons Greeting from Jon Dingey East London correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051226/4b2a47f7/attachment.htm From jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 26 16:22:29 2005 From: jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk (Jeff@tiscali) Date: Mon Dec 26 16:24:57 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Webcam - Help Message-ID: <43B00AB5.7040306@tiscali.co.uk> Hi List, Trying to watch the Boxing day parade, but I have no picture!! I have been on the Java website and even downloaded software, but no good. Any reason why the Jamestown cam doesn't work? Listening to Saint FM on the internet though! Regards Jeff From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Mon Dec 26 17:18:20 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Mon Dec 26 17:18:26 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Webcam - Help References: <43B00AB5.7040306@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <009601c60a37$fec94480$10d90651@meg> Hi Jeff, There were one or two small problems getting the cam up and running, but it came back on line (in the UK at least) at 16:09 hrs gmt Regards Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff@tiscali" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] Webcam - Help > Hi List, > Trying to watch the Boxing day parade, but I have no picture!! I have been > on the Java website and even downloaded software, but no good. Any reason > why the Jamestown cam doesn't work? > Listening to Saint FM on the internet though! > Regards > Jeff > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > > From jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk Mon Dec 26 18:00:09 2005 From: jeff.taylor-jackson at tiscali.co.uk (Jeff@tiscali) Date: Mon Dec 26 18:02:35 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Webcam - Help In-Reply-To: <009601c60a37$fec94480$10d90651@meg> References: <43B00AB5.7040306@tiscali.co.uk> <009601c60a37$fec94480$10d90651@meg> Message-ID: <43B02199.7040309@tiscali.co.uk> Yep! got it, watching the webcam and listening to Saint FM. They have just crossed to the bridge to listen live as well! Regards Jeff Jon (who else?) wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > There were one or two small problems getting the cam up and running, > but it came back on line (in the UK at least) at 16:09 hrs gmt > > Regards > Jon > Dingey East London Correspondant > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff@tiscali" > > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:22 PM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] Webcam - Help > > >> Hi List, >> Trying to watch the Boxing day parade, but I have no picture!! I have >> been on the Java website and even downloaded software, but no good. >> Any reason why the Jamestown cam doesn't work? >> Listening to Saint FM on the internet though! >> Regards >> Jeff >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. > From roncroker at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 19:04:31 2005 From: roncroker at gmail.com (Ron Croker) Date: Mon Dec 26 19:05:05 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] St Helena Web Cam Message-ID: <00a401c60a46$e1d92250$f0122b54@necversapremium> For what it's worth I am receiving the STH webcam perfectly and still daylight at this time 06pm UK tume in St Helena. However my daughter with identical set up and upgraded java script still unable to receiveany pictures. Has any one else had the same problem and a cure? Ron Croker Stornoway Scotland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051226/ea5e0a69/attachment.htm From ruthcroker at hotmail.com Mon Dec 26 20:25:56 2005 From: ruthcroker at hotmail.com (Ruth Croker) Date: Mon Dec 26 20:26:02 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] St.Helenian web cam Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051226/6b8a3f00/attachment.htm From jrnixon at canl.nc Tue Dec 27 00:33:57 2005 From: jrnixon at canl.nc (John Nixon) Date: Tue Dec 27 00:34:33 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10><008001c608d2$2920d610$e069d0d5@meg> <005701c60a2e$8e3ca3f0$10d90651@meg> Message-ID: <004501c60a74$d8489f80$6401a8c0@R600> MessageGreetings everybody, Over the Christmas weekend we watched the DVD of Depardieu's Napoleon. Just stumbled over it in the Auckland library. I don't know what sort of reviews it got, but we thoroughly enjoyed it. The two DVD's seemed to be these two layer (double length) ones, and we ended up watching it over three nights, as it was split into four very long episodes. Not much on Saint Helena, except of course at the very end, where he stood in full uniform gazing out over the sea, wondering I expect how he had ended up there. The photography was brilliant and some excellent scenes of gorgous French interior decoration, life in French town squares etc. Somehow Talleyrand kept the plot together, popping up, wheeling and dealing throughout the story. Happy New Year to all from New Zealand. John Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:10 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web You had all better be listening!! Click on http://www.saint.fm/listen_live.htm for the live broadcast from St Helena. Strangely the web cam seems to be having an off day!! Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: manager@sainthelenabank.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Ambience I would swap with you in an instant. Even though I work on the railway here in East London, I cannot leave my office, messroom, changing room or workshop window open, because the hoardes of thieving bar stewards that live around here would nick anything not bolted down. Carol singers don't come out any more, most of them got mugged last year. The usualy sound that can be heard in my place of work is the gentle thunder of Railway trains as they speed past or the more usual arguements from the houses next door. (one of our neighbvours has about 37 different insults in, we think, 3 languages, all for one person) But aside from all this, I hope every one on the island has a very merry Christmas and an even happier new year Seasons Greeting from Jon Dingey East London correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The S:t Helena Mailing List To unsubscribe please send a email to: list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051227/dcc797b2/attachment-0001.htm From iambiker at nildram.co.uk Tue Dec 27 02:35:02 2005 From: iambiker at nildram.co.uk (Jon (who else?)) Date: Tue Dec 27 02:35:18 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10><008001c608d2$2920d610$e069d0d5@meg><005701c60a2e$8e3ca3f0$10d90651@meg> <004501c60a74$d8489f80$6401a8c0@R600> Message-ID: <00f101c60a85$c50e88b0$10d90651@meg> MessageI was always under the impression that Napoleon was kept entirely at Longwood, and therefore wouldn't have had acess to the sea. I could of course be wrong, but everything I was ever told about Napoleon's exile there seemed to indicate that he was pretty much interned on the one square acre of land given to France purposely for the exile of Napoleon!! If anyone else knows different, then please further my education Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Nixon To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:33 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web Greetings everybody, Over the Christmas weekend we watched the DVD of Depardieu's Napoleon. Just stumbled over it in the Auckland library. I don't know what sort of reviews it got, but we thoroughly enjoyed it. The two DVD's seemed to be these two layer (double length) ones, and we ended up watching it over three nights, as it was split into four very long episodes. Not much on Saint Helena, except of course at the very end, where he stood in full uniform gazing out over the sea, wondering I expect how he had ended up there. The photography was brilliant and some excellent scenes of gorgous French interior decoration, life in French town squares etc. Somehow Talleyrand kept the plot together, popping up, wheeling and dealing throughout the story. Happy New Year to all from New Zealand. John Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:10 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web You had all better be listening!! Click on http://www.saint.fm/listen_live.htm for the live broadcast from St Helena. Strangely the web cam seems to be having an off day!! Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: manager@sainthelenabank.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Ambience I would swap with you in an instant. Even though I work on the railway here in East London, I cannot leave my office, messroom, changing room or workshop window open, because the hoardes of thieving bar stewards that live around here would nick anything not bolted down. Carol singers don't come out any more, most of them got mugged last year. The usualy sound that can be heard in my place of work is the gentle thunder of Railway trains as they speed past or the more usual arguements from the houses next door. (one of our neighbvours has about 37 different insults in, we think, 3 languages, all for one person) But aside from all this, I hope every one on the island has a very merry Christmas and an even happier new year Seasons Greeting from Jon Dingey East London correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051227/3d7b8ac0/attachment-0001.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Tue Dec 27 05:18:42 2005 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Tue Dec 27 05:19:03 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10><008001c608d2$2920d610$e069d0d5@meg><005701c60a2e$8e3ca3f0$10d90651@meg><004501c60a74$d8489f80$6401a8c0@R600> <00f101c60a85$c50e88b0$10d90651@meg> Message-ID: <009301c60a9c$9fef8bd0$0100000a@PRAXIS> Not quite true Jon: the first few months were spent at The Briars pavilion, a tiny but pleasant spot about a mile outside Jamestown, accessed from Side Path. Any map of the island will show you where it is exactly. From the Briars, he and his entourage moved to Longwood, but even from there he was permitted to ride on any of the interior roads or paths, provided he was always accompanied by a British officer. He is known to have visited several of the major houses of the island, including Teutonic and the Vicarage at Hutt's Gate (where General Bertrand and family were billeted.) There have been at least two French TV dramas with scenes shot on the island, and there is one I have on DVD which shows Napoleon gazing out to sea from the road near Blue Hill, which is unlikely as I do not think he ever went quite that far. More possible is that he rode up to the ridge between Sugar Loaf and The Barn, from where you can just see the corner of Jamestown and the bay, so he could look longingly at any ships which might be there and on which he probably continually plotted an escape! It was his own obstinacy which saw him increasingly confined over the years, as he refused to allow himself to be sighted by any British officers at least once a day, which was a condition imposed by Whitehall on Sir Hudson Lowe, and which HL tried to enforce. Nor would he accept that he should be accompanied on his rides, so gave them up most of the time: this of course helped his increasing sickness, since riding is apparently quite good exercise. The land at The Briars and Longwood was not ceded to France until some time later in the 19th. century, after 1833 when St. Helena was taken over by the Crown, and the East India Company left. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon (who else?)" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Re: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web MessageI was always under the impression that Napoleon was kept entirely at Longwood, and therefore wouldn't have had acess to the sea. I could of course be wrong, but everything I was ever told about Napoleon's exile there seemed to indicate that he was pretty much interned on the one square acre of land given to France purposely for the exile of Napoleon!! If anyone else knows different, then please further my education Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Nixon To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:33 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web Greetings everybody, Over the Christmas weekend we watched the DVD of Depardieu's Napoleon. Just stumbled over it in the Auckland library. I don't know what sort of reviews it got, but we thoroughly enjoyed it. The two DVD's seemed to be these two layer (double length) ones, and we ended up watching it over three nights, as it was split into four very long episodes. Not much on Saint Helena, except of course at the very end, where he stood in full uniform gazing out over the sea, wondering I expect how he had ended up there. The photography was brilliant and some excellent scenes of gorgous French interior decoration, life in French town squares etc. Somehow Talleyrand kept the plot together, popping up, wheeling and dealing throughout the story. Happy New Year to all from New Zealand. John Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:10 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web You had all better be listening!! Click on http://www.saint.fm/listen_live.htm for the live broadcast from St Helena. Strangely the web cam seems to be having an off day!! Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: manager@sainthelenabank.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Ambience I would swap with you in an instant. Even though I work on the railway here in East London, I cannot leave my office, messroom, changing room or workshop window open, because the hoardes of thieving bar stewards that live around here would nick anything not bolted down. Carol singers don't come out any more, most of them got mugged last year. The usualy sound that can be heard in my place of work is the gentle thunder of Railway trains as they speed past or the more usual arguements from the houses next door. (one of our neighbvours has about 37 different insults in, we think, 3 languages, all for one person) But aside from all this, I hope every one on the island has a very merry Christmas and an even happier new year Seasons Greeting from Jon Dingey East London correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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From cann at northrock.bm Wed Dec 28 11:44:14 2005 From: cann at northrock.bm (Cann) Date: Wed Dec 28 11:44:21 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10><008001c608d2$2920d610$e069d0d5@meg><005701c60a2e$8e3ca3f0$10d90651@meg><004501c60a74$d8489f80$6401a8c0@R600> <00f101c60a85$c50e88b0$10d90651@meg> Message-ID: <00ac01c60b9b$a541d7f0$6401a8c0@lynnefpx2bgs68> MessageSeasons Greetings and a happy, healthy, wealthy 2006 All the best www.myvemma.com/cecilialynne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Re: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web I was always under the impression that Napoleon was kept entirely at Longwood, and therefore wouldn't have had acess to the sea. I could of course be wrong, but everything I was ever told about Napoleon's exile there seemed to indicate that he was pretty much interned on the one square acre of land given to France purposely for the exile of Napoleon!! If anyone else knows different, then please further my education Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Nixon To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:33 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web Greetings everybody, Over the Christmas weekend we watched the DVD of Depardieu's Napoleon. Just stumbled over it in the Auckland library. I don't know what sort of reviews it got, but we thoroughly enjoyed it. The two DVD's seemed to be these two layer (double length) ones, and we ended up watching it over three nights, as it was split into four very long episodes. Not much on Saint Helena, except of course at the very end, where he stood in full uniform gazing out over the sea, wondering I expect how he had ended up there. The photography was brilliant and some excellent scenes of gorgous French interior decoration, life in French town squares etc. Somehow Talleyrand kept the plot together, popping up, wheeling and dealing throughout the story. Happy New Year to all from New Zealand. John Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:10 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web You had all better be listening!! Click on http://www.saint.fm/listen_live.htm for the live broadcast from St Helena. Strangely the web cam seems to be having an off day!! Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: manager@sainthelenabank.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Ambience I would swap with you in an instant. Even though I work on the railway here in East London, I cannot leave my office, messroom, changing room or workshop window open, because the hoardes of thieving bar stewards that live around here would nick anything not bolted down. Carol singers don't come out any more, most of them got mugged last year. The usualy sound that can be heard in my place of work is the gentle thunder of Railway trains as they speed past or the more usual arguements from the houses next door. (one of our neighbvours has about 37 different insults in, we think, 3 languages, all for one person) But aside from all this, I hope every one on the island has a very merry Christmas and an even happier new year Seasons Greeting from Jon Dingey East London correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the author by reply and then kindly delete the communication. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051228/0034e92f/attachment-0001.htm From cann at northrock.bm Wed Dec 28 11:45:27 2005 From: cann at northrock.bm (Cann) Date: Wed Dec 28 11:45:15 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10><008001c608d2$2920d610$e069d0d5@meg><005701c60a2e$8e3ca3f0$10d90651@meg> <004501c60a74$d8489f80$6401a8c0@R600> Message-ID: <00c501c60b9b$d0787730$6401a8c0@lynnefpx2bgs68> MessageSeasons Greetings and a very happy, healthy, wealthy 2006. All the best to you www.myvemma.com/cecilialynne ----- Original Message ----- From: John Nixon To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web Greetings everybody, Over the Christmas weekend we watched the DVD of Depardieu's Napoleon. Just stumbled over it in the Auckland library. I don't know what sort of reviews it got, but we thoroughly enjoyed it. The two DVD's seemed to be these two layer (double length) ones, and we ended up watching it over three nights, as it was split into four very long episodes. Not much on Saint Helena, except of course at the very end, where he stood in full uniform gazing out over the sea, wondering I expect how he had ended up there. The photography was brilliant and some excellent scenes of gorgous French interior decoration, life in French town squares etc. Somehow Talleyrand kept the plot together, popping up, wheeling and dealing throughout the story. Happy New Year to all from New Zealand. John Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:10 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Saint FM Radio on the web You had all better be listening!! Click on http://www.saint.fm/listen_live.htm for the live broadcast from St Helena. Strangely the web cam seems to be having an off day!! Jon Dingey East London Correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon (who else?) To: manager@sainthelenabank.com ; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Ambience I would swap with you in an instant. Even though I work on the railway here in East London, I cannot leave my office, messroom, changing room or workshop window open, because the hoardes of thieving bar stewards that live around here would nick anything not bolted down. Carol singers don't come out any more, most of them got mugged last year. The usualy sound that can be heard in my place of work is the gentle thunder of Railway trains as they speed past or the more usual arguements from the houses next door. (one of our neighbvours has about 37 different insults in, we think, 3 languages, all for one person) But aside from all this, I hope every one on the island has a very merry Christmas and an even happier new year Seasons Greeting from Jon Dingey East London correspondant ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Ambience I remember for many years working in sterile offices, isolated from the real world by the wonders of air-conditioning and windows that didn't open. Things are different here. My office is on the top floor of the Post Office building. I sit with a window on my right, which opens and has a clear view down to the sea. I can usually see a few fishing boats bobbing up and down, and get a clear view of the RMS on her way in/out between here and Ascension. Behind me is a door, and this leads out onto a balcony. The balcony is an old wooden affair that would never pass Health and Safety requirements in the UK, but if I stand out there I can see down Main Street as far as Grand Parade and the gates, and up to the Canister and the bottom of Napoleon Street. I can also see the hills opposite and the bottom end of Side Path. (bear with me - this has some relevance). I work with the door open for two reasons - it lets in some air, which is better at cooling the office than the ceiling fan (the draft from the door blows the papers off my desk in a predictable direction, whereas the ceiling fan just distributes them randomly around the floor), and it lets in more some light. However, it also lets in sound. This is not always a good thing. A frequent problem is on ship days, and for a few days afterwards, when the 'heavy lorries' (those smelly 1950s antiques that would, anywhere else, have retired 20 years ago to a museum or a scrap heap) are carrying the island's imports up from the wharf for distribution to the community. If there was any national planning here, the goods would be unloaded in Rupert's Bay and warehoused there, for distribution island-wide by smaller vehicles, but that's another story. Anyway, when a lorry is grinding past at 5mph I have to suspend telephone conversations or shut the door. There is also the Consulate Hotel, which is largely a good neighbour but which does possess a half-deaf barman, whose idea of 'gentle background music' is enough to rattle windows as far down as the Castle. And when they are setting up for a disco it's worse. Their windows are, of course, always open. And now, as I write, the Christmas season being in full swing, the 5th group of school children this fortnight are singing merrily (and, this time, almost tunefully) to passers by in the street outside the tourist offices. Before you all cry 'Scrooge!' I have no problem with children giving impromptu carol renditions, and quite enjoy the music (I have kids of my own), but I wish they wouldn't use quite as much amplification. Is it really necessary for "Frosty the Snowman" to be heard all the way to Ascension? I shall persevere. I refuse to close the door, other than temporarily, and return to the clinical isolation I suffered for so many years. Even as a truck drowns out the children (even despite their Deep Purple-style amplification), I would still rather be here than there. John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. 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All the best www.myvemma.com/cecilialynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff@tiscali" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Webcam - Help > Yep! got it, watching the webcam and listening to Saint FM. They have just > crossed to the bridge to listen live as well! > Regards > Jeff > > Jon (who else?) wrote: >> Hi Jeff, >> >> There were one or two small problems getting the cam up and running, but >> it came back on line (in the UK at least) at 16:09 hrs gmt >> >> Regards >> Jon >> Dingey East London Correspondant >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff@tiscali" >> >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:22 PM >> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] Webcam - Help >> >> >>> Hi List, >>> Trying to watch the Boxing day parade, but I have no picture!! I have >>> been on the Java website and even downloaded software, but no good. Any >>> reason why the Jamestown cam doesn't work? >>> Listening to Saint FM on the internet though! >>> Regards >>> Jeff >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> >> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From cann at northrock.bm Wed Dec 28 12:34:40 2005 From: cann at northrock.bm (Cann) Date: Wed Dec 28 12:34:37 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Webcam - Help References: <43B00AB5.7040306@tiscali.co.uk> <009601c60a37$fec94480$10d90651@meg> Message-ID: <003a01c60ba2$b1253150$6401a8c0@lynnefpx2bgs68> Seasons Greetings and a happy, healthy, wealthy, 2006 All the best www.myvemma.com/cecilialynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon (who else?)" To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Webcam - Help > Hi Jeff, > > There were one or two small problems getting the cam up and running, but > it came back on line (in the UK at least) at 16:09 hrs gmt > > Regards > Jon > Dingey East London Correspondant > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff@tiscali" > To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" > > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:22 PM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] Webcam - Help > > >> Hi List, >> Trying to watch the Boxing day parade, but I have no picture!! I have >> been on the Java website and even downloaded software, but no good. Any >> reason why the Jamestown cam doesn't work? >> Listening to Saint FM on the internet though! >> Regards >> Jeff >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> > > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From cann at northrock.bm Wed Dec 28 12:39:07 2005 From: cann at northrock.bm (Cann) Date: Wed Dec 28 12:38:53 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Please join us for Boxing Day in St. Helena References: <000a01c60799$a2b2b7d0$0a0b000a@shgbank10> Message-ID: <00c201c60ba3$4fb89730$6401a8c0@lynnefpx2bgs68> MessageSeasons Greetings and a happy, healthy, wealthy, 2006 All the best www.myvemma.com/cecilialynne ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Please join us for Boxing Day in St. Helena A group has organised a street party in Jamestown on Boxing Day, and - by the wonders of the Internet - the whole world is invited. Cable & Wireless will be setting up a web-cam, and SaintFM will be broadcasting live, so you can both see and hear the event. Bands will be playing, people will be performing, and everyone will be having a good time, I'm sure. Details of the necessary URLs should appear on the SaintFM website - www.saint.fm - during today. Have a good Christmas .... John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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This is not a place to advertise or make money! HOW RUDE! Tessa Hughley BPM Senior Living Company 503.595.3083 (direct) 503.274.4685 (fax) 1120 NW Couch Street, Suite 730 Portland, OR 97209 -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Cann Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:39 AM To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Please join us for Boxing Day in St. Helena Seasons Greetings and a happy, healthy, wealthy, 2006 All the best www.myvemma.com/cecilialynne ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Please join us for Boxing Day in St. Helena A group has organised a street party in Jamestown on Boxing Day, and - by the wonders of the Internet - the whole world is invited. Cable & Wireless will be setting up a web-cam, and SaintFM will be broadcasting live, so you can both see and hear the event. Bands will be playing, people will be performing, and everyone will be having a good time, I'm sure. Details of the necessary URLs should appear on the SaintFM website - www.saint.fm - during today. Have a good Christmas .... John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. 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HOW RUDE! -----Original Message----- From: list-bounces@sthelena.se [mailto:list-bounces@sthelena.se]On Behalf Of Cann Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:39 AM To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Please join us for Boxing Day in St. Helena Seasons Greetings and a happy, healthy, wealthy, 2006 All the best www.myvemma.com/cecilialynne ----- Original Message ----- From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: [STHELENA] Please join us for Boxing Day in St. Helena A group has organised a street party in Jamestown on Boxing Day, and - by the wonders of the Internet - the whole world is invited. Cable & Wireless will be setting up a web-cam, and SaintFM will be broadcasting live, so you can both see and hear the event. Bands will be playing, people will be performing, and everyone will be having a good time, I'm sure. Details of the necessary URLs should appear on the SaintFM website - www.saint.fm - during today. Have a good Christmas .... John Turner Manager Bank of St. Helena www.SaintHelenaBank.com Post Office Building, Main Street, Jamestown, St. Helena Island. Tel: +290 2044 Fax: +290 2196 NOTICE TO RECIPIENTS: Any opinions expressed in this communication are those of the author and not necessarily those of the Bank of St. Helena. This communication and any attachments are confidential, meant solely for the intended recipient of the transmission, and may be a communication privileged by law. Access to this by anyone else is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, any review, use, dissemination, distribution, copying of this communication or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051228/b3c0cee5/attachment.htm From cann at northrock.bm Wed Dec 28 21:10:20 2005 From: cann at northrock.bm (Cann) Date: Wed Dec 28 21:10:20 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 18, Issue 9 References: <200512130108.jBD18TCt027487@rex.kulturservern.se> <000601c5ff82$82896180$0201a8c0@homea05buo8mfu> Message-ID: <01ab01c60bea$ba8d40f0$6401a8c0@lynnefpx2bgs68> Seasons Greetings and a very happy, healthy, wealthy 2006 Please enjoy every moment All the best www.myvemma.com/cecilialynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Hodgson" To: Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: [STHELENA] Re: List Digest, Vol 18, Issue 9 > Please take me off this emailing list!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:08 PM > Subject: List Digest, Vol 18, Issue 9 > > >> Send List mailing list submissions to >> list@sthelena.se >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> list-request@sthelena.se >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> list-owner@sthelena.se >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of List digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. The Papanui (Robert Yon) >> 2. Re: The Papanui (Jon (who else?)) >> 3. Re: The Papanui (John Coyle) >> 4. Re: Rules is rules - St. Helenian Trees (Vivienne Mawson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:02:52 -0000 >> From: "Robert Yon" >> Subject: [STHELENA] The Papanui >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Message-ID: <002c01c5ff1c$8fd698a0$0d3570c2@oemcomputer> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Greetings to all >> >> Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall >> henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new >> respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! >> >> On a different subject altogether: >> >> I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a >> family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there >> myself though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H >> circa 1915. I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased >> older sister a battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little >> intrinsic value. I'm told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the >> Papanui, a ship that sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the >> fifties or sixties. I don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering >> whether those of you who know the island well have heard about, or can >> find out about the Papanui and the circumstances in which she went down >> and was later salvaged. It is not listed in the index of Philip Gosse's >> book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. >> >> Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to >> the island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, >> well-known in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. >> His daughter and several grandchildren are still on the island. >> >> I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to >> this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate >> (jpg, cut down to 65kb). >> >> Bob Yon >> >> PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me >> personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land >> of my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/82098844/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:05:06 -0000 >> From: "Jon (who else?)" >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Message-ID: <004401c5ff57$5a678ae0$60b80c54@meg> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello Robert, >> >> Could this be her? >> >> The ship you are referring to is almost certainly the "SS Papanui". She >> was >> bound from London to Cape Town and Fremantle with 364 immigrants and 108 >> crew in her usual capacity of carrying emigrants when, on 5 September >> 1911 >> she had a fire in her bunker coal stowed in number 3 hold. She arrived at >> Jamestown, St Helena on 11 September and was beached in Jamestown Bay the >> following day and abandoned. The fire was left to burn itself out. The >> passengers were picked up by the New Zealand Shipping Company's "Opawa" >> and taken to Cape Town. The "Papanui" was a former New Zealand Shipping >> Co vessel having been built for them by Denny & Co in 1898 at their works >> in Dumbarton >> >> They sold her in 1910 and at the time of her loss she appears to have >> been >> owned by H. C. Sleigh and H. B. Black of Melbourne. ("Crossed Flags" by >> Laxon, Farquhar, Kirby and Perry). >> >> She was a Single Screw design operated by the NZ Shipping Co. She >> weighted >> 6,582 tons. Mostly she carried UK emigrants. It is believed that she >> struck >> a rock near Hobart (Tasmania) 1909. Subsequently sold. Declared as "Lost >> after fire at sea" 1911. >> >> >> Hope this is of some help to you. >> Jon >> Dingy East London Correspondant >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Robert Yon >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:02 PM >> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] The Papanui >> >> >> Greetings to all >> >> Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall >> henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new >> respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! >> >> On a different subject altogether: >> >> I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a >> family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there >> myself though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H >> circa 1915. I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased >> older sister a battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little >> intrinsic value. I'm told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the >> Papanui, a ship that sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the >> fifties or sixties. I don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering >> whether those of you who know the island well have heard about, or can >> find out about the Papanui and the circumstances in which she went down >> and was later salvaged. It is not listed in the index of Philip Gosse's >> book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. >> >> Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to >> the island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, >> well-known in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. >> His daughter and several grandchildren are still on the island. >> >> I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to >> this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate >> (jpg, cut down to 65kb). >> >> Bob Yon >> >> PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me >> personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land >> of my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051212/3f6f80e8/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:47:38 +1000 >> From: "John Coyle" >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" >> >> Message-ID: <005901c5ff6e$0e636e90$0100000a@PRAXIS> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Jon has given a very accurate account of the Papanuie (? correct >> spelling) >> and her loss in 1911. I would just add that her steering gear can still >> be >> seen in most photos of James Bay, protruding from the water about 2-300 >> metres from the shore, at the south-western end of the anchorage. Her >> bronze propeller was salvaged in the 70's, and I believe fetched a >> significant sum for it's scrap value! >> >> >> John Coyle >> Brisbane, Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jon (who else?)" >> To: "All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Papanui >> >> >> Hello Robert, >> >> Could this be her? >> >> The ship you are referring to is almost certainly the "SS Papanui". She >> was >> bound from London to Cape Town and Fremantle with 364 immigrants and 108 >> crew in her usual capacity of carrying emigrants when, on 5 September >> 1911 >> she had a fire in her bunker coal stowed in number 3 hold. She arrived at >> Jamestown, St Helena on 11 September and was beached in Jamestown Bay the >> following day and abandoned. The fire was left to burn itself out. The >> passengers were picked up by the New Zealand Shipping Company's "Opawa" >> and taken to Cape Town. The "Papanui" was a former New Zealand Shipping >> Co vessel having been built for them by Denny & Co in 1898 at their works >> in Dumbarton >> >> They sold her in 1910 and at the time of her loss she appears to have >> been >> owned by H. C. Sleigh and H. B. Black of Melbourne. ("Crossed Flags" by >> Laxon, Farquhar, Kirby and Perry). >> >> She was a Single Screw design operated by the NZ Shipping Co. She >> weighted >> 6,582 tons. Mostly she carried UK emigrants. It is believed that she >> struck >> a rock near Hobart (Tasmania) 1909. Subsequently sold. Declared as "Lost >> after fire at sea" 1911. >> >> >> Hope this is of some help to you. >> Jon >> Dingy East London Correspondant >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Robert Yon >> To: All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng) >> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:02 PM >> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [STHELENA] The Papanui >> >> >> Greetings to all >> >> Amazing what one learns lurking about this mailing list. I shall >> henceforth look at the rainwater gushing out of our guttering with new >> respect. Also check out the loft tank for dead sparrows more regularly! >> >> On a different subject altogether: >> >> I am the African-born youngest sibling and sole survivor (at 75) of a >> family that left the island just after WW1. I have never been there >> myself >> though my older siblings could remember a great deal about St H circa >> 1915. >> I have recently received from the belongings of my deceased older sister >> a >> battered, discoloured dinner plate, probably of little intrinsic value. >> I'm >> told that this is a piece of salvaged goods from the Papanui, a ship that >> sank off Jamestown and was salvaged sometime in the fifties or sixties. I >> don't know much else about it, and I'm wondering whether those of you who >> know the island well have heard about, or can find out about the Papanui >> and >> the circumstances in which she went down and was later salvaged. It is >> not >> listed in the index of Philip Gosse's book 'St Helena 1502-1938'. >> >> Mary (my sister) received the plate as a parting gift after a visit to >> the >> island in the sixties. It came from an uncle, Mr Maurice Young, >> well-known >> in his day as the headmaster of one of the island's schools. His daughter >> and several grandchildren are still on the island. >> >> I'd be grateful for any info. I'm not sure if one can send pictures to >> this mailing list, but I'd be happy to attach a photograph of the plate >> (jpg, cut down to 65kb). >> >> Bob Yon >> >> PS Whatever the pros or cons of the proposed island airport, for me >> personally it will probably represent the last chance of seeing the 'land >> of >> my fathers'! (If they get on with it quickly!) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> The S:t Helena Mailing List >> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:09:50 +1100 >> From: Vivienne Mawson >> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules - St. Helenian Trees >> To: manager@sainthelenabank.com, "All about St. Helena - The Island in >> the South Atlantic\(Eng\)" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> The aloes fall over because the plant dies after it has flowered and >> produces the next generation . . . >> >> Because I'm not on mains water in this semi-rural district, I have >> several watertanks for the house and garden. You can buy a valve that >> discards the first rush of rainwater from the roof (to keep the water >> clean). Australians are now being encouraged to buy water tanks (they >> were banned in many cities before, for reasons I never understood). >> Bermuda's houses have underhouse tanks because there is not enough >> water on the island to sustain housing and hotels. Given the probable >> consequences of climate change, St Helena would do well to encourage >> watertank use. >> >> Although I currently have a septic tank, I am thinking of switching to >> one of the environmental toilet systems. One allows cleaned water onto >> part of the garden, the other composts everything (the latter is now >> being successfully used in countries that have suffered natural >> disasters such as tsunamis and landslides recently). >> Vivienne >> >> On 12/12/2005, at 7:13 PM, John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena >> wrote: >> >>> St. Helenian trees are amazing things. The assumption in Jon's final >>> paragraph would hold true almost anywhere - except here. >>> >>> Trees here lead a precarious existence. They seem to grow to >>> considerable height even in places where there is nothing that you or >>> I would consider to be either 'topsoil' or 'sub-soil' . >>> >>> Unsurprisingly, therefore, the also regularly fall over. Trees across >>> the road were part of the routine of daily life last autumn, caused, I >>> assume, by the loosening of what little 'soil' there was by the onset >>> of rain, and the arrival of the higher winds. >>> >>> The aloe plants achieve something similar, throwing up seed-pod stalks >>> 10-15 feet into the air and then being uprooted by the next gust of >>> wind. When they fall, they also prefer to do it across the road. >>> >>> It's no wonder the endemic trees were so completely slaughtered by the >>> goats - their existence was already tenuous and the goats were the >>> final straw. >>> >>> Sadly the Flax doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. >>> >>> Regards from a warm and sunny St. Helena >>> >>> JT >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jon (who else?) [mailto:iambiker@nildram.co.uk] >>> Sent: 09 December 2005 20:18 >>> To: manager@sainthelenabank.com; All about St. Helena - The Island in >>> the South Atlantic(Eng) >>> Subject: Re: [STHELENA] Rules is rules >>> >>> I have just had a very simular problem. I resolved it by running a >>> sub surface pipe (in this case it was a soil pipe but it only carried >>> surface water) from the persons property, under their land to an area >>> of waste land where a soakaway could be built out of sight and out of >>> mind. The pipe was then covered with Pea Shingle and then top soil >>> before the grass was reinstated. Once completed, you would not have >>> known it was there. This was acceptable under UK planning law >>> (although there are regional variations I assume St HJelena must be >>> close to the laws up here on the mainland) >>> >>> I would assume that you would be able to do this or something simular, >>> after all, if there are plants growing where you intend expell this >>> waterthere must be a natural soil base capable of handling any donated >>> water!! >>> >>> Regards >>> Jon >>> Dingey East London Correspondant >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: John Turner, Manager, Bank of St. Helena >>>> To: 'All about St. Helena - The Island in the South Atlantic(Eng)' >>>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:08 PM >>>> Subject: [STHELENA] Rules is rules >>>> >>>> You can't (so they say) get blood out of a stone, but apparently you >>>> can get rainwater into one. >>>> >>>> St. Helena is volcanic. It is therefore comprised of solid rock. In >>>> some areas there is an accumulation of soil, but not where my new >>>> house is. This is largely because the flat land on which the house >>>> stands was obtained by cutting a triangular section into the >>>> otherwise heavily sloping hillside. >>>> >>>> The house already has a septic tank for the obvious, and our plan was >>>> to discharge the other used-but-not-dangerous water (e.g. from the >>>> roof and the washbasins) down the hillside, into the relatively thick >>>> forest and bush area beneath us. There's nobody down there to be >>>> bothered by it, and we thought it might help the trees to grow. >>>> Apparently, however, this is not permitted and we have to build a >>>> soakaway. >>>> >>>> For the uninitiated, I should explain that a soakaway is a small >>>> chamber into which the water is poured, and where it sits until it >>>> has soaked into the ground. That's fine if you have a few feet of >>>> subsoil to build it on, but we do not - we only have the bare rock. >>>> So what will happen is that the water wil pour into the soakaway and >>>> just sit there. When it has filled the soakaway, the water will >>>> overflow, down into the area we intended to send it in the first >>>> place. All the building work will have achieved is to delay the >>>> outflow for about two days. >>>> >>>> Aren't rules fun? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Turner >>>> >>>> >>>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >>> >>> __________ NOD32 1.1217 (20050914) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> The S:t Helena Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe please send a email to: >>> list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: not available >> Type: text/enriched >> Size: 8109 bytes >> Desc: not available >> Url : >> http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20051213/c3def286/attachment.bin >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List mailing list >> List@sthelena.se >> http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list >> >> >> End of List Digest, Vol 18, Issue 9 >> *********************************** > > The S:t Helena Mailing List > To unsubscribe please send a email to: > list-leave@sthelena.se and answer the confirm mail. From cagaden at northnet.com.au Wed Dec 28 23:56:53 2005 From: cagaden at northnet.com.au (Caroline Gaden) Date: Thu Dec 29 12:16:38 2005 Subject: [STHELENA] The Briars References: <000e01c60163$42befa00$0a0b000a@shgbank10><008001c608d2$2920d610$e069d0d5@meg><005701c60a2e$8e3ca3f0$10d90651@meg><004501c60a74$d8489f80$6401a8c0@R600><00f101c60a85$c50e88b0$10d90651@meg> <009301c60a9c$9fef8bd0$0100000a@PRAXIS> Message-ID: <000901c60c69$4ab96040$4962543a@Caroline> Hello All I'm tracing the Balcombe family of The Briars as William Balcombe is our ancestor. I have recently come across a book written by a French Professor in which he claims that William's daughter Betsey Balcombe was "la petite fianc?e de Napoleon". Please can anyone tell me if there are any possible references to this on St Helena.... my translation of the book by a Prof of French here, says that not one iota of evidence is presented! I'm intrigued! All the best for 2006 Caroline in Northern NSW : the first few months were spent at The Briars pavilion, > a tiny but pleasant spot about a mile outside Jamestown, accessed from > Side Path. Any map of the island will show you where it is exactly. From > the Briars, he and his entourage moved to Longwood, but even from there he > was permitted to ride on any of the interior roads or paths, provided he > was always accompanied by a British officer.