From philip.myrtle at ashmole.org.uk Tue Sep 14 17:35:09 2004 From: philip.myrtle at ashmole.org.uk (ashmoles) Date: Thu Sep 16 21:58:02 2004 Subject: [STHELENA] message to post Message-ID: <015701c49a70$70bd8620$324c2bd9@d1i4j5> "St Helena and Ascension Island; a natural history" by Philip and Myrtle Ashmole During the past year this book has been hard to find. This is due to the death of the publisher, Anthony Nelson and the winding up of his business. However, the marketing of the book has now been taken over by Kidston Mill. Try visiting the website to learn more about the book and the authors. www.kidstonmill.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20040920/57dab3ec/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Mon Sep 20 22:46:10 2004 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 22 17:37:39 2004 Subject: [STHELENA] The Napoleon Murder Mystery Message-ID: I believe that the TV show was due to a book that has been out for some time, since 1982, that comes to the conclusion that Napoleon was likely poisoned by Count Charles-Tristan de Montholon. The title of the book is "The Murder of Napoleon" by Ben Weider and David Hapgood. A motive is given, in the subject book, which included the length of time that Montholon had been part of Napoleon entourage before St Helena; Napoleon's dismissal of Montholon when Montholon married Albine, against Napoleon's wishes, before St Helena. The book also states that Albine de Montholon was Napoleon's mistress on St Helena. The book was written as a result of an investigation performed by a Swedish dentist, Dr. Sten Forshufvud who found that the symptoms shown by Napoleon, at St. Helena, were very much the symptoms of someone who had been poisoned by arsenic I have never seen a documentary the disputes the findings of the above authors. However, I have been very interested in Napoleon's time at St Helena, because events slow down there and you are able to find out who Napoleon really was. I have the subject book and also another one titled: "The Emperor's Last Island" by Julia Blackburn. Because of the length of time that the book, "The Murder of Napoleon," has been out, since 1982, and there has not been a great bru-ha-ha about the books premise, I don't know how well the proposals stand up to close inspection. I think this situation is why Discovery Channel elected to make a program about it. The mystery is not widely known, and Discovery Channel loves to get into something that is controversial and then spout it off as something brand new. Sometimes they go so far as to absolutely distort the truth. But, that's Hollywood. Napoleon was in the ground, at St. Helena, for 19 years, until the British allowed the French to get his body and bring it back to Paris, in 1840. When Napoleon's coffin was opened at that time for inspection, it was found that his body was exceptionally well preserved. It is my understanding that the French do not want to hear anything about Napoleon being murdered. Some have said that the arsenic got into Napoleon's body through the ground at St. Helena. I do not believe this because his coffin was sealed; the coffin was then enclosed inside metal if I remember correctly and also concrete. His body was also reported to be dry when the inner coffin was opened. In my mind, it is a possible. 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20040922/b1434b7f/attachment.htm From jcoyle at powerup.com.au Thu Sep 23 09:47:14 2004 From: jcoyle at powerup.com.au (John Coyle) Date: Thu Sep 23 09:47:43 2004 Subject: [STHELENA] The Napoleon Murder Mystery References: Message-ID: <015301c4a141$8ab09130$0100000a@PRAXIS> I'm a little bit late responding to this, sorry. The theory that Napoleon was murdered by either the English or by one of his entourage has been around for some considerable time, and I personally believe that Weiner and Hapgood are incorrect. I base this on a very thorough study performed by an English military doctor (Major-General Frank Richardson, in "Napoleon's Death, an Inquest", published by William Kimber in 1974, ISBN 0718303830). He concludes, after reviewing all of the contemporary reports by the doctors and others present at the dissection of Napoleon's body in 1821, that he had suffered from chronic hepatitis, evidenced by strong, hard, and cellular adhesions of the liver to the stomach and lung. In the end, Richardson concludes that he died of hepatic amoebiasis, a chronic liver disease, While there were no signs of stomach cancer in the tissues examined, there was a significant ulcer passing through the liver (near the pylorus) and into the stomach. In fact, had that ulcer not been sealed off by the adhesion between the two organs, Napoleon would have died much earlier, as the contents of the stomach would have passed into the bowel. I passed Richardson's book to a senior forensic pathologist, who agreed in principle with his conclusions, although unable of course to say without doubt, as he would never commit himself without first-hand examination of the corpse - no longer possible! The theory that the body was preserved by arsenic is also widely discounted: it is more likely that the very thorough interment in three sealed coffins was the cause for the (very remarkable) state of the body in 1840. Longwood is normally the coldest and foggiest part of St. Helena, but by early May the most humid part of the year has passed (try Jamestown in January, for example!), and it is still quite warm by European standards. It is likely that in fact the body mummified in the coffins. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [STHELENA] The Napoleon Murder Mystery >I believe that the TV show was due to a book that has been out for some >time, > since 1982, that comes to the conclusion that Napoleon was likely poisoned > by > Count Charles-Tristan de Montholon. The title of the book is "The Murder > of > Napoleon" by Ben Weider and David Hapgood. > > A motive is given, in the subject book, which included the length of time > that Montholon had been part of Napoleon entourage before St Helena; > Napoleon's > dismissal of Montholon when Montholon married Albine, against Napoleon's > wishes, before St Helena. The book also states that Albine de Montholon > was > Napoleon's mistress on St Helena. The book was written as a result of an > investigation performed by a Swedish dentist, Dr. Sten Forshufvud who > found that the > symptoms shown by Napoleon, at St. Helena, were very much the symptoms of > someone > who had been poisoned by arsenic > > I have never seen a documentary the disputes the findings of the above > authors. However, I have been very interested in Napoleon's time at St > Helena, > because events slow down there and you are able to find out who Napoleon > really > was. I have the subject book and also another one titled: "The Emperor's > Last > Island" by Julia Blackburn. > > Because of the length of time that the book, "The Murder of Napoleon," has > been out, since 1982, and there has not been a great bru-ha-ha about the > books > premise, I don't know how well the proposals stand up to close inspection. > I > think this situation is why Discovery Channel elected to make a program > about > it. The mystery is not widely known, and Discovery Channel loves to get > into > something that is controversial and then spout it off as something brand > new. > Sometimes they go so far as to absolutely distort the truth. But, that's > Hollywood. > > Napoleon was in the ground, at St. Helena, for 19 years, until the British > allowed the French to get his body and bring it back to Paris, in 1840. > When > Napoleon's coffin was opened at that time for inspection, it was found > that his > body was exceptionally well preserved. It is my understanding that the > French > do not want to hear anything about Napoleon being murdered. Some have > said > that the arsenic got into Napoleon's body through the ground at St. > Helena. I > do not believe this because his coffin was sealed; the coffin was then > enclosed inside metal if I remember correctly and also concrete. His body > was also > reported to be dry when the inner coffin was opened. In my mind, it is a > possible. > > Chuk > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list > List@sthelena.se > http://lists.kulturservern.se/mailman/listinfo/list > From dean.buletti at email.it Thu Sep 23 10:27:10 2004 From: dean.buletti at email.it (Dean Buletti) Date: Thu Sep 23 18:35:16 2004 Subject: [STHELENA] The Napoleon Murder Mystery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D182C06-0D3A-11D9-B4AC-000393CDF7E0@email.it> What I had read somewhere (sorry I don't remember the source), was that the possible poisoning was due to the (dark green ?) paint which was used on the walls to color the house, as requested by Napoleon himself: so the poisoning should be "natural" and not direct murder... HTH Dean. P.S. Any news about the airport projects on the island, anyone? Have any funds been raised or somehow promised? -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Dai pił energia al tuo sport! Rigenera il tuo corpo in maniera naturale * Grazie agli integratori sport che trovi solo su Erboristeria.com Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2379&d=23-9 From nathkbur at netactive.co.za Thu Sep 23 20:10:30 2004 From: nathkbur at netactive.co.za (Eva Hermans) Date: Thu Sep 23 20:14:39 2004 Subject: [STHELENA] hello Message-ID: <003901c4a198$9d088a20$18cb07c4@nathkbur> Could I receive the list of the businesses in St Helena We are ship chandlers and we plan a trip to St helena Thanks Eva Hermans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: BackGrnd.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20040923/04ee68ea/BackGrnd-0001.jpg From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Sep 23 22:53:29 2004 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 23 22:53:46 2004 Subject: [STHELENA] The Napoleon Murder Mystery Message-ID: <1d0.2bf476c8.2e8491c9@aol.com> It appears that Mr. Richardson read various reports to make his decision. He wrote a book about it appears and probably made a buck off of it. At this stage of time I don't believe we are going to be able to know what exactly happened for sure; other than Napoleon died in May of 1821. If the arsenic is proven to be a fabrication, that would be one thing. But if the presence of arsenic is indeed factual, the presence of that metal, in those quantities, inside Napoleon's body and hair needs to be explained. How did arsenic get there? Count Charles-Tristan de Montholon and his wife, Albine, came to St. Helena of their own free will. The book, "The Murder of Napoleon," states that Montholon was not a longtime companion of Napoleon, and that he had been dismissed by Napoleon in 1812, and that he came to Napoleon after Waterloo. This seems more than a bit contrived by the books authors, to me. It appears, on the face of it, that a previously dismissed person, would be able to gain the position for Napoleon to take to St. Helena, in the very short and hectic time there was after Waterloo and his capture by the British. Napoleon was in travel most of this period, and did not Regardless, I cannot believe that the motivation for Montholon to go to St. Helena with Napoleon, was that he was intending to murder Napoleon, five years later. Also, it was well understood that unless the British were to agree to it, you could not freely come and go from St. Helena; if you went, it may well be that you would be there until Napoleon died. As I recall, Napoleon was in his mid-forties when he arrived at St. Helena, and there didn't appear to be anything wrong with him. I believe that if Montholon did murder Napoleon, it is was due to something that happened between him and Napoleon after they got to the island. It is reported that Albine de Montholon became Napoleon's mistress on St. Helena in The Murder of Napoleon. If that is true, that could provide reason for a murder. Albine de Montholon also left St. Helena well before Napoleon died. That in itself may have provided the reason for the murder. Chuck may have gotten a bit more lonely than he could stand and figured out a way to get back to his wife. However, all of this is conjecture. At this junction, we don't know, and unless there is something that I don't know about the situation, it will most likely remain conjecture. What do I believe? I believe that in one way or the other, Napoleon Bonaparte created the situation that determined his demise. He acted an idiot when Sir Hudson Lowe came to be the island's Governor. He treated his entourage as completely beneath him for the entire time there. He lived on St. Helena in a state of hate, without allowing any kind of a normal human relationship. He literally chopped his nose off to spite his face. He refused to get out and about on the island because he would not tolerate being constantly observed by sentries; as a result, his health suffered in many ways and he became obese. I think the obesity was but a symptom of what was going on. I don't think he paid any attention to his physical well being or health. He became a glutton and took what pleasure he could from food and drink. He created his health problems. If he also created enough hate in Montholon for him to kill him, the evidence shows that may well be. What were the real reasons that Albine left St. Helena without her husband? In closing let me say that I do not fault the British in any way for what Napoleon created for himself on St. Helena. Sir Hudson Lowe may not have been the ideal person to have sent there, but regardless, Lowe was in truth Napoleon's jailor and the British didn't owe Napoleon Bonaparte anything. That they didn't simply hang him from a yardarm on the ship, Northumberland, is perhaps the greatest mystery of all. All that Britain had to thank Napoleon for were years of war and millions of their young men going to their deaths. Ironically, I admire Napoleon. And to the victors go the writing of history. Chukr Palm Desert, California USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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His actions on St. Helena were completely hate driven and he treated his entourage as if they were insects. Napoleon may have, or may not have, made Albine de Montholon, his mistress. Albine, in fact, left St. Helena well before Napoleon died; leaving her husband there with Napoleon, alone. That may have provided the desire for murder. The picture I have of Albine, I can well imagine how her husband may have missed her. In the picture, she is beautiful. The fact of the matter is: we will likely never know for sure. But the author's of The Murder of Napoleon had a pay day. And, the victors in history are those who write the history. Good to hear from you Chukr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the levels of arsenic were truly there as reported in the book, The Murder of Napoleon, there seems to be a bit of explaining left to do. But, I doubt if we will ever know for sure. I think that Napoleon, in one way or the other, created his own demise. His actions on St. Helena were completely hate driven and he treated his entourage as if they were insects. Napoleon may have, or may not have, made Albine de Montholon, his mistress. Albine, in fact, left St. Helena well before Napoleon died; leaving her husband there with Napoleon, alone. That may have provided the desire for murder. The picture I have of Albine, I can well imagine how her husband may have missed her. In the picture, she is beautiful. The fact of the matter is: we will likely never know for sure. But the author's of The Murder of Napoleon had a pay day. And, the victors in history are those who write the history. Good to hear from you Chukr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, I have to wonder as to who really cares; and I doubt if we will ever know for sure. I think that Napoleon, in one way or the other, created his own demise. His actions on St. Helena were completely hate driven and he treated his entourage as if they were insects. Napoleon may have, or may not have, made Albine de Montholon, his mistress. Albine, in fact, left St. Helena well before Napoleon died; leaving her husband there with Napoleon, alone. That may have provided the desire for murder. The picture I have of Albine, I can well imagine how her husband may have missed her. In the picture, she is beautiful. The fact of the matter is: we will likely never know for sure. But the author's of The Murder of Napoleon had a pay day. And, the victors in history are those who write the history. Good to hear from you Chukr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20040923/ba77f1b4/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Sep 23 23:46:56 2004 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 23 23:47:12 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20R=E9f.=20:=20[STHELENA]=20Napoleon=20"Murde?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?r"=20Mystery?= Message-ID: <1e0.2b8bc5e4.2e849e50@aol.com> I think that we require a little history here. How do we know anything about the paper? It is my understanding that the only item left from the original house are the front steps. What is there today is a 100-percent replica other than the front steps. Where does the documentation of arsenic vaporizing wall paper come from? The walls of the building disappeared a long time ago. Britain gave the plot of land to France sometime after WW-2 as I recall. As I understand it they rebuilt the entire structure, complete with the boreholes. I understand the building was completely destroyed by termites, and before that it had been used to house livestock. The British did not hole any great love for the building that their enemy died in. In fact they had absolutely no desire to make a martyr out of him. That they didn't completely raze the structure immediately after it had served its housing purpose with Nappy, is rather surprising. But regardless, by 1945, the building was gone except for the front porch and steps. Chuk'r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20040923/5ad8bd78/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Thu Sep 23 23:51:47 2004 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 23 23:52:08 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20R=E9f.=20:=20=20Re:=20R=E9f.=20:=20[STHELEN?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?A]=20Napoleon=20"Murder"=20Mystery?= Message-ID: <1e3.2b5d5572.2e849f73@aol.com> To make this short, there was absolutely nothing left of Longwood House by the end of WW-2, or at least when Britain gave the Longwood site to the French, except for the front porch and steps. Where did they arrive at their determination of arsenic vaporizing wall paper? Where did they get any to analyze? The house was completely eaten out by termites in a termite plague that the island suffered. After Nappy left the house was turned into more or less a barn and left to its own demise. Chuk'r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20040923/3066096e/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Fri Sep 24 00:07:21 2004 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 24 00:07:37 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20R=E9f.=20:=20Re:=20[STHELENA]=20The=20Napol?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?eon=20Murder=20Mystery?= Message-ID: <9b.4dfaad3b.2e84a319@aol.com> I am curious as to where the last five British soldiers killed, The figure you give is an exact figure. Regardless, the number of soldiers who were killed as a result of the Napoleonic Wars was certainly in the millions. I am not talking about just the British, I am including their allies also and the various coalitions. Borodino, itself, caused the death of more people than any battle of the American Civil War. The wars in question lasted for close to 20-years, without digging out materials to be absolutely exacting. I guess I should have said that the world didn't have much to be thankful to Napoleon for. That would have been more exaction. I do like Napoleon. I know of no body else in history who had the power that he did that misused it less. People try to compare him to Hitler, but he wasn't anything like Hitler. No, he wasn't perfect, but he was a genius. And, I believe that a lot of the wars he was involved in were pretty much forced on him. Like I said, he was a genius, and with him if you screwed with the bull, you got the horn. He would come out and kick your butt. I also believe that by 1812 he had tired of the wars and wanted to simply govern France. The Russian invasion was meant to put an end to it all. Those are my perceptions, and as I said in the original write-up: the victors in history get to write the history. Chuk'r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20040924/d8833e7a/attachment.htm From Hdchucker at aol.com Fri Sep 24 21:10:41 2004 From: Hdchucker at aol.com (Hdchucker@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 24 21:11:05 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20R=E9f.=20:=20Re:=20[STHELENA]=20The=20Napol?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?eon=20M=20urder=20Mystery?= Message-ID: <1d2.2c0df345.2e85cb31@aol.com> Oddly enough, I seldom see much in the way of a discussion on this site. To bad. Chuk'r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.kulturservern.se/pipermail/list/attachments/20040924/2283e91e/attachment.htm From kenith at clicksathome.com Wed Sep 29 17:06:00 2004 From: kenith at clicksathome.com (ken smith) Date: Thu Sep 30 13:51:02 2004 Subject: [STHELENA] MUNDENS FORT Message-ID: <000801c4a635$d5d685e0$c1296551@hppav> Dear all, Has anyone have any information on MUNDENS FORT on saint Helena. 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